On Nov 2, 5:52 am, Dan O <danover...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think cyclists should obey the spirit of all good laws. -- Andre Jute

On Nov 2, 7:09 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:

That was pithily espoused by the late Eddie Ben Elson who,
when running for judge, adopted the campaign slogan "only
obey good laws".

http://badgerherald.com/oped/2002/05/09/letters_to_the_edito.php

His wisdom remains, after lo these many years, in the local
culture. Great guy.

--
Andrew Muzi
  <www.yellowjersey.org/>
  Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Nov 4, 5:46 pm, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

Actually, he was running for district attorney. Looks like he was
drumming up business in expectation of being elected. -- AJ

I voted for him for Superintendant of Public Instruction.

His platform: Sell the schools and land, fire all the
teachers and administrators, divide the budget over the
number of students and just pay them. I liked that.

--
Andrew Muzi
  <www.yellowjersey.org/>
  Open every day since 1 April, 1971

A few years ago in an atmosphere of public resentment over a large number of
criminal defendants who had gotten light sentences or were acquitted as a result
of a local imbalance of power and competence between the PD and State's
Attorneys offices. I considered a campaign for the office of Public Defender
based on limited and specific incompetence.  

"Howdy, I'm running for Public Defender of Hillsborough County. Gotta tell you,
I'm no lawyer. That's okay because the office already has lots of lawyers.
Despite not being a lawyer I know that innocent people get charged with crimes
and I know they deserve all the representation and support our office can give
them. But with that absence of legal training I don't know squat about how to
get a guilty guy off the hook. That takes some fancy lawyering and I ain't got
that. Yep, if I'm the PD we aren't going to be able to do much for those guys.
Everybody else, we got your back."

--

Oh damn. There's that annoying blog. Again.  http://dumbbikeblog.blogspot.com

On Nov 4, 7:15 pm, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

LOL. It's pity those RBT dopers, who lounge about listening to
whatsisfacethatRastaclown while telling each other what
revolutionaries they are, have such a silly down on the conservatives
on RBT. They could learn how to be real revos from you. Lenin, Pol Pot
and Andrew Muzi (!) all believe that the system must be broken down to
its foundations before it can be rebuilt. The difference is that
you're actually doing the rebuilding without ever thinking about it,
which is why, as an old revolutionary who now believes more in the law
of unintended effect than in human goodwill, I am still as keen as
ever on the middle classes, the ones who set the example, provide he
jobs, pay the taxes that keep the streets clean. Dull, as the useless
loungers complain (as if they have a right to be entertained!), but
effective -- that's why Lenin and Pol Pot feared the middle classes to
the point of attempting to kill them all.

Andre Jute
The little underfed fellows in ill-fitting clothes who come to put the
useless RBT "revolutionaries" in front of a firing squad will most
likely be carrying my A Sangre y Fuego in a buttoned inner pocket as
their operational bible. Pity I didn't put in a scene where a few
pretentious, worthless cyclists are dealt with.

On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:09:46 -0800 (PST), in rec.bicycles.tech Andre

Why limit it to cyclists?  Why not allow motorists also to discern
"good" laws and their true spirit?

Jones

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:46:15 -0600, in rec.bicycles.tech AMuzi

I *really* want to visit Madison!  I've not been there since '67 or so
when I was hitch-hiking from New Jersey to Tacoma on my way to
Vietnam... methinks I'd like the town.

Also... I gotta see the "Yellow Jersey" before I go.

Jones

Remember, it gets cold here:
http://www.stubaker.com/madison/pailandshovel/gallery/liberty.jpg

Not Minnesota cold, but cold enough.

--
Andrew Muzi
  <www.yellowjersey.org/>
  Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Wow! It was 80 degrees F in Dallas today. I couldn't believe it is November!

Pat

The best time to visit Madison is when the UW is NOT in session.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

On Nov 4, 11:28 pm, !Jones <swsm...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, hell, my man, this is RBT, and we proceed from the presumption
that Jobst Brandt and I are the only morally upstanding people in the
world (not least because we're cyclists) and that we are therefore
capable of making decisions for everyone else, in particular motorists
who are all known to be lying in wait in their SUV's with murder in
their hearts and woe betide the first cyclist to cross their path.

***

Right, I suspect you are making a serious point and want a serious
answer. First, I didn't say anything about 'allowing [anyone] to
discern "good" laws and their true spirit'. What I said is that I
encourage cyclists to obey the spirit of all good laws. It's not the
same thing, not by a mile.

I've been on record since just after I reached puberty as resisting
and condemning bad laws. A bad law is pretty obviously a bad law.
Everyone should condemn and resist bad laws.

***

This friction between cyclists and motorists in some places isn't
about the law. Good laws to protect everyone are already in place:
we've just seen them applied in the States. Here in Ireland we already
have a 3 foot clearance for cyclists and pedestrians either as the law
or as an enforced usage. (We're not a very legalistic society: Cork is
the jaywalking capital of the world.)

It is mainly a matter of attitude and education of drivers. How many
drivers will require to be educated out of dangerous attitudes depends
on time and place; where I live there is a nouveau riche element in
large powerful SUV's quite beyond their skills and experience and
judgement, and a young hooligan element that I've largely dealt with
already; in the States with its car culture the job might be bigger..
Possibly some cyclists may also need education; I wouldn't know --
every cyclist I know rides with consideration for everyone else.

Andre Jute
A little inaccuracy sometimes saves tons of explanation. --H.H.Munro
("Saki")(1870-1916)

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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:59:04 -0600, in rec.bicycles.tech Tom Sherman

Hey!  I'm a prof at Texas A&M... home of Bonfire.  I'm not scared of
students; I face down hundreds every day.

Now, I *must* tell the story about the last time I was through
Madison... Milwaukee, actually,  in '67... go ahead... dare me!

Jones

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:14:20 -0800 (PST), in rec.bicycles.tech Andre

No, not really.  In fact, you're the first person *ever* to accuse me
of making a serious point... I'm offended!

Jones