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Re: ANOTHER Serious Mountain Biking "Accident"

mike.vande...@gmail.com (Mike Vandeman) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:21:16 UT

I care, which is why I PUBLICIZE it. People like you who DON'T care
would rather that it be swept under the rug.
By the way, swearing is a sure sign of mental retardation. Which
INSTITUTION are you warehoused in?

"Copter rescues mountain biker, 50, after crash "

mike.vande...@gmail.com (Mike Vandeman) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:15:35 UT

[link]
November 29, 2009 11:49 AM
Copter rescues mountain biker, 50, after crash
By ERIKA I. RITCHIE
THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER
NEWPORT COAST – A 50-year-old mountain biker was airlifted today after
going over his handlebars while riding a trail at Crystal Cove State

Re: ANOTHER Serious Mountain Biking "Accident"

crwlrj...@yahoo.com (Jeff Strickland) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:06:15 UT

news:283904ee-cdd4-4a50-bda5-
Mike Vandeman is a sick f---ing bastard.
He does not care about the tragedy that recreational sports brings to
families all across the universe each week, he only cares about the tragedy
that befalls mountain bikers, because these tragedies fit nicely into his
warped agenda so he has a robot that can search for them. Nice work Mike,

Re: ANOTHER Serious Mountain Biking "Accident"

mike.vande...@gmail.com (Mike Vandeman) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:58:44 UT

THEODORE KACZYNSKI: The Unabomber Manifesto: Industrial Society and Its Future

wis...@yahoo.com — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:55:48 UT

Well worth revisting in view of todays societal and
economic degradation. (to say nothing of the
environmental disaster do to increasing populations)
Ted (just plain ted,not the writer)

[l/m 7/30/2008] References Distilled Wisdom (28/28) XYZ

eug...@empress.cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:20:01 UT

Panel 28
<most pot hole filling [reformatting, citation completion] welcome>
Related news groups:
rec.arts.books.*
rec.arts.books.reviews (moderated)
alt.books.reviews
REFERENCES
References to whitewater are now in rec.boats.paddle
Climbing references will shortly be moved to rec.climbing
Scouting references moved to rec.scouting

The Typical Mountain Biker Demonstrates Their Attitude

mike.vande...@gmail.com (Mike Vandeman) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:42:35 UT

[link]

[l/m 2/17/2009] Film/Cinema Distilled wisdom (27/28) XYZ

eug...@empress.cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:20:02 UT

Panel 27
TABLE OF CONTENTS of this chain:
27/ Films/cinema references <* THIS PANEL *>
28/ References (written)
1/ DISCLAIMER
2/ Ethics
3/ Learning I
4/ learning II (lists, "Ten Essentials," Chouinard comments)
5/ Summary of past topics
6/ Non-wisdom: fire-arms topic circular discussion
7/ Phone / address lists

[l/m 5/30/2006] Related news groups & web info: Distilled Wisdom (26/28) XYZ

eug...@empress.cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:20:01 UT

At this time, this group (r.b.) is not mail gatewayed.
If you wish to test post, you should realize that various little test groups
exist like misc.test, ba.test, ca.test, etc. The specific advantage of
these test groups is that some sites have automatic daemons which mail
ACKnowledgements back to you. Make REAL posts as a test in this group.

[l/m 9/7/2004] High tech employment, a romantic notion DW (25/28) XYZ

eug...@empress.cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:20:01 UT

Panel 25
So you want a job in the backcountry?
What are you doing in computers?
Don't expect to find anything in misc.jobs.offered.
GO visit a job placement office.
4. There are many senses of the word "wealth," not all of them material.
I'm not talking about trying to make a deep philosophical point here

Re: ANOTHER Typical Mountain Biker Robs a Bank!

opusthep...@gmail.com (Opus) — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:54:28 UT

Please do not feed the trolls, he's overfed as it is.
Opus

[l/m 6/29/94] What is "natural?" Distilled Wisdom (24/28) XYZ

eug...@empress.cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:20:01 UT

Panel 24
A common thread which underlies the fundamental values in
all backcountry discussions is the issues of what is "natural"
and what is its relation to the "human" state? For most people,
the "woods" offer a place to see the natural world. That world
IS "reality." That is where the recreative effect takes places.

Re: White gas stove in wind/cold

eug...@cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:45:54 UT

That part is fine.
The OP is a novice who merely has to take the plunge and learn how to
not overcompensate priming.
I try to let others do the cooking as much as possible.
I don't see myself as a winter backbacker. I'm an Alpinist and a polar
explorer. A lot of others did this stuff decades before me and it's no

Re: White gas stove in wind/cold

eug...@cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:40:18 UT

In article <slrnhges8b.pgu.lever...@askin -17.linkpendium.com>,
Sometimes, somewhat.
Hydrocarbons also have some break down over time.
I can't speak for the general case. Yeah, I've found tiny amount of water
or rust and even glycol, but that wasn't from a Coleman(tm) can.
The main point should be to get experience.

Re: ANOTHER Typical Mountain Biker Robs a Bank!

shragap...@hotmail.com (Shraga) — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:17:59 UT

All I see is how easy it is for you to perpetuate a lie you told.
That's two people. Do you understand the difference between TWO and
ALL, or are you pretending to be stupid?
Furthermore, can't you read? You gave me more silly observations. I
want proof. Show me that your preposterous sample represents the

[l/m 1/22/2008] Song Distilled Wisdom (23/28) XYZ

eug...@empress.cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:20:02 UT

Panel 23
...
They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum
Then they charged all the people a dollar and a half just to see them.
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got till its gone.
They paved paradise and put down a parking lot.
--Joni Mitchell
Schnell (To the tune of the Marine Corps hymn):

ANOTHER Criminal Mountain Biker!

mike.vande...@gmail.com (Mike Vandeman) — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:19:25 UT

[link]
Police Searching For Robbery Suspect On Bike
Last Update: 11/21 2:47 pm
Slideshow CINCINNATI -- Police are looking for a suspect who robbed
two victims Friday.
The robbery happened at Ninth and Race Street around 2:00 p.m.

[l/m 4/24/2006] Babies and Kids Distilled Wisdom (22/28) XYZ

eug...@empress.cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:20:02 UT

DRAFT
TABLE OF CONTENTS of this chain:
22/ Babies and Kids <* THIS PANEL *>
23/ A bit of song (like camp songs)
24/ What is natural?
25/ A romantic notion of high-tech employment
26/ Other news groups of related interest, networking
27/ Films/cinema references
28/ References (written)
1/ DISCLAIMER

Tara Llanes, a champion downhill mountain biker, suffered a horrific crash while racing at the Jeep King of the Mountain event

mike.vande...@gmail.com (Mike Vandeman) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:25:58 UT

If this can happen to a "champion", ordinary mountain bikers are at an
even greater risk....
Mike
[link]
2010 Race for Tara date announced
Published: Nov. 21, 2009
Press Release
The mountain bike park at Northstar-at-Tahoe resort will host the Race

Re: Election by appearance

s...@i.an (Pro.Si.Mi) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:00:40 UT

I'm relativley tolerant of your idiocy, thus far..
Oh, didn't dot.com till later in life?
Even worse then, as you'd be expected to have developed some decorum and
manner by now.
Oh nuts, hence our miasma of mixed results...
Actually I think you refer to KBR, as HAL is in oil and gas production,
but no matter.

[l/m 8/16/96] AMS Distilled Wisdom (21/28) XYZ

eug...@empress.cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:20:02 UT

TABLE OF CONTENTS of this chain:
21/ AMS <* THIS PANEL *>
22/ Babies and Kids
23/ A bit of song (like camp songs)
24/ What is natural?
25/ A romantic notion of high-tech employment
26/ Other news groups of related interest, networking
27/ Films/cinema references
28/ References (written)
1/ DISCLAIMER

Re: White gas stove in wind/cold

lever...@linkpendium.com (Wolf Leverich) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:48:11 UT

In point of fact, water contamination seems to go hand-in-hand
*rust* contamination, and rust flakes actually cause more problems
than a little water in a stove.
The Coleman funnels seem to be pretty good at keeping the rust
out of the fuel going into the stove ...
Cheers, Wolf.

Re: Election by appearance

lever...@linkpendium.com (Wolf Leverich) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:22:30 UT

Er. I think you confuse an intolerance of idiocy with a
haughty and condescending manner. ;)
Interesting sentiment, but I wasn't wealthy early in life. Having
had more illusions and less common sense than Bush, Cheney, Limbaugh,
and the rest of the chickenhawks, I wasted a considerable number of
years working on America's defense.

Re: Election by appearance

s...@i.an (Pro.Si.Mi) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:25:49 UT

lol.

Re: Election by appearance

s...@i.an (Pro.Si.Mi) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:25:05 UT

You lied again.
Hate, Pro.

Re: Election by appearance

s...@i.an (Pro.Si.Mi) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:24:45 UT

Your haughty and condescending manner belies a wounded inner child.
How sad that wealth which comes early in life is oft times wasted on
those least equipped to cope with it.
Hate, Pro.

Re: Election by appearance

davebu...@yahoo.com (Dave Bugg) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:43:26 UT

My GAWD, Mr. Wolf, I admire your forthrightness in describing your flaws. I
do believe your condition falls within the parameters of the Americans with
Disabilities Act and will qualify you for a Handicapped Parking sticker.
Check with your social worker for confirmation.

Re: Election by appearance

lever...@linkpendium.com (Wolf Leverich) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:27:56 UT

I always tell the truth.
As a practical matter, it's much easier than lying and
telling the truth makes it virtually impossible to get
tangled up in inconsistencies.
I'm kinda amazed at reality-challenged people. By and
large, believing in the Tooth Fairy is not a promising
path to success in life.

Re: Election by appearance

lever...@linkpendium.com (Wolf Leverich) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:21:25 UT

Life is hard; it's harder if you're stupid.
And it is "perceived".
Love, Wolf.

Re: Election by appearance

s...@i.an (Pro.Si.Mi) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:59:59 UT

You'd be amazed what an egomaniac he is.
Get him to tell you all bout his mansion and net worth.
He will, trust me...
[link]

Re: Election by appearance

s...@i.an (Pro.Si.Mi) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:56:33 UT

YOU ARE A LIAR.
Hate, Pro.

Re: Election by appearance

s...@i.an (Pro.Si.Mi) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:55:19 UT

Put a bullet through your useless head, then we can all have a party,
dipshit.
Hate, Pro.

Re: Election by appearance

davebu...@yahoo.com (Dave Bugg) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:28:38 UT

Translation: "Oops, shown up again to be the massive twit that I am."
Blah, blah, blah. Nice try at misdirection, but it doesn't work. What was
show was that in Washington State, the amount of fraud that was caught, was
indicative of the broader base of fraudulent ballots that got through. That
was the reason why the number of ballots cast and COUNTED did not match, by

Re: Election by appearance

lever...@linkpendium.com (Wolf Leverich) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:44:54 UT

Better reading comprehension skills than most. ;)
But I don't think I would have argued that Republicans
commit more voter fraud, or at least *ballot* fraud, than
Democrats. I'd have to look at the current stats.
Some things like the Ohio 2004 post-game play look interesting
from that perspective, but I don't know how that election was

Re: Election by appearance

lever...@linkpendium.com (Wolf Leverich) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:31:45 UT

WE HAVE ANOTHER WINNER!
Yet another Republican with 3rd-grade reading comprehension skills!
You prolly think there were WMD in Iraq and the Earth is 6,000 years
old, too, right ?
I wrote, and you quoted it below, "So where's the evidence of
massive organized ACORN *ballot* fraud?" And you are so stupid

ANOTHER Serious Injury Caused by Mountain Biking!

mike.vande...@gmail.com (Mike Vandeman) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:24:02 UT

So much for the alleged "health benefits" of mountain biking....
Mike
[link]
Hincapie leads charity ride
Article published:
November 19, 13:07
By:
Hedwig Kröner
$15,000 raised to cover medical expenses for injured cyclist

Re: Election by appearance

no_sp...@no_mail.com (Moderate) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:37:01 UT

He changed the parameter of his question several weeks ago. His argument
that Republicans commit more voter fraud than Democrats fell flat on its
face so he changed the subject.

[l/m 6/24/2009] Telling questions r.b. Turing test DW: (20/28) XYZ

eug...@empress.cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:20:02 UT

Descriptive portion of the test
True or false:
New York is where I'd rather stay. I get allergic smelling hay.
I just adore a penthouse view. Darling I love you, but give me Park Avenue.
Fresh Air...
Times square...
You are my wife
Good bye city life
Green Acres We are THERE!!!!
If True, hit 'n' now.

Re: Election by appearance

davebu...@yahoo.com (Dave Bugg) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:37:51 UT

....snip
You asked for evidence of ACORN fraud and it was presented. Now you try to
change the parameter of your question. YAWN. So typical. During the
time-frame of the reported ACORN fraud in Washington State (see the cite
below) the governor's race that year hinged on less than 200 votes. It
involved re-counts and a court battle. The ACORN fraud was discovered well

Re: Election by appearance

lever...@linkpendium.com (Wolf Leverich) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:01:38 UT

YOU ARE A MORON.
You are precisely what's wrong with the contemporary Republican
Party. Obviously your central nervous system terminates at the
medulla oblongata.
If you read your own list, virtually all of these are examples
of *registration* fraud. Most are the result of paying street
people piecework rates to generate filled-out cards.

Re: White gas stove in wind/cold

eug...@cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:14:05 UT

This presumes water is the contaminant.
Not always.

[l/m 6/2/2008] Lyme Disease: Distilled Wisdom (19/28) XYZ

eug...@empress.cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:20:01 UT

Reply-To: dmil...@rodan.acs.syr.edu "Daniel Miller"
The most current recommended site for information is the
Centers for Disease Control (CDC):
[link]
[link]
Accept no substitutes. 8^)
See
Please note that this vaccine has not been manufactured since 2002 and

Re: Election by appearance

s...@i.an (Pro.Si.Mi) — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:57:05 UT

[link]
AR 1998 A contractor with ACORN-affiliated Project Vote was arrested for
falsifying about 400 voter registration cards.
CO 2005 Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for
submitting false voter registrations.
2004 An ACORN employee admitted to forging signatures and registering

Re: The scary mathematics behind energy depletion and population growth

ohwell61...@yahoo.com (oh well) — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:22:30 UT

But there are so damn many Americans who refruse to see. I guess it
would be non-PC to admit that the country is way overpopulated. It's
the business interests who want constant, unending, population
growth. And big business has brain washed all the young people, the
college students, the liberals, into supporting their insane agenda.

[l/m 5/2/2007] Oak/Ivy Distilled Wisdom (18/28) XYZ

eug...@empress.cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:20:02 UT

TABLE OF CONTENTS of this chain:
18/ Poison ivy, frequently ask, under question <* THIS PANEL *>
19/ Lyme disease, frequently ask, under question
20/ "Telling questions" backcountry Turing test
21/ AMS
22/ Babies and Kids
23/ A bit of song (like camp songs)
24/ What is natural?
25/ A romantic notion of high-tech employment

Re: The scary mathematics behind energy depletion and population growth

fre...@centurytel.net (f. barnes) — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:54:39 UT

Re: The scary mathematics behind energy depletion and population growth

martin.secrest...@gmail.com (martin) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:11:53 UT

On Nov 16, 10:03 am, GreenLifeInnovators <p...@green-life-
America adds appx. 1 million legal immigrants per year and who knows
how many illegals.
Environmental disaster ahead.
Martin

[l/m 4/12/2007] Information on bears: Distilled Wisdom (17/28) XYZ

eug...@empress.cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:20:01 UT

TABLE OF CONTENTS of this chain:
17/ Information about bears <* THIS PANEL *>
18/ Poison ivy, frequently ask, under question
19/ Lyme disease, frequently ask, under question
20/ "Telling questions" backcountry Turing test (under construction)
21/ AMS
22/ Babies and Kids
23/ A bit of song (like camp songs)

Re: ANOTHER Typical Mountain Biker Robs a Bank!

vtsk...@somewhere.net (VtSkier) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:08:43 UT

Guess I don't. Guess we're even.

Re: ANOTHER Typical Mountain Biker Robs a Bank!

mike.vande...@gmail.com (Mike Vandeman) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:34:14 UT

BS. See [link]. Yes, humans are part of
the environment: by far the most DESTRUCTIVE part!
I also understand that
No, only once in my life.
Or maybe you do all your
No. Bicycle & public transit.
Is that your
You obviously know NOTHING about me, or much of anything else.