Im building a home studio for recording v/o mainly. room is about 8ft by 8ft and I need to put in a window betwen it and the sound bay. Someone suggested puttng in a simple triple glazed pvc window. The window is going to be about 2.5ft by 4ft, large enough so Im worried by sound reflection. If this window is flat instead of angled are ther likely to be problems? Does anyone know of a manufacturer of studio windows in the UK or europe. Though this is being built on a relatively low budget i dont want to compremise sound in anyway.
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:57:12 +0000, SoundBites <event...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Hi
>Im building a home studio for recording v/o mainly. room is about 8ft by >8ft and I need to put in a window betwen it and the sound bay. Someone >suggested puttng in a simple triple glazed pvc window. The window is >going to be about 2.5ft by 4ft, large enough so Im worried by sound >reflection. If this window is flat instead of angled are ther likely to >be problems? Does anyone know of a manufacturer of studio windows in the >UK or europe. Though this is being built on a relatively low budget i >dont want to compremise sound in anyway.
>Thanks for looking
>M
The main thing is to make sure that the panes are all of different thickness. It is actually not a difficult build job to do in situ, rather than having a unit manufactured for you. Some beading, sealing mastic and glass are really all you need. Make the air gaps as wide as you can accommodate. And avoid glass thicknesses that are simple multiples of each other.
I presume the surrounding wall is going to be reasonably sound proof. If it is a stud and plasterboard construction, it probably won't be much better than the glass itself. Two layers of breeze block would be much better.
On Nov 5, 4:57 am, SoundBites <event...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
> Im building a home studio for recording v/o mainly. room is about 8ft by > 8ft and I need to put in a window betwen it and the sound bay. Someone > suggested puttng in a simple triple glazed pvc window. The window is > going to be about 2.5ft by 4ft, large enough so Im worried by sound > reflection. If this window is flat instead of angled are ther likely to > be problems? Does anyone know of a manufacturer of studio windows in the > UK or europe. Though this is being built on a relatively low budget i > dont want to compremise sound in anyway.
> Thanks for looking
> M
Two panes of glass of different thicknesses will give you a better acoustic seal than one, and PVC would probably be less sonically reflective (and less 'bright' sounding) than glass. Having it angled down a little might make for fewer reflections, but with PVC it shouldn't be a huge issue.
nebulax wrote: > On Nov 5, 4:57 am, SoundBites <event...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Hi
>> Im building a home studio for recording v/o mainly. room is about 8ft by >> 8ft and I need to put in a window betwen it and the sound bay. Someone >> suggested puttng in a simple triple glazed pvc window. The window is >> going to be about 2.5ft by 4ft, large enough so Im worried by sound >> reflection. If this window is flat instead of angled are ther likely to >> be problems? Does anyone know of a manufacturer of studio windows in the >> UK or europe. Though this is being built on a relatively low budget i >> dont want to compremise sound in anyway.
>> Thanks for looking
>> M
> Two panes of glass of different thicknesses will give you a better > acoustic seal than one, and PVC would probably be less sonically > reflective (and less 'bright' sounding) than glass. Having it angled > down a little might make for fewer reflections, but with PVC it > shouldn't be a huge issue.
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:54:01 -0700, David Aguilera
<a_b_s_e_n_c_e_s_t_u_d_i_o...@gmail.com> wrote: >Ethan Winer wrote: >> On Nov 5, 12:00 pm, David Aguilera >> <a_b_s_e_n_c_e_s_t_u_d_i_o...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Um...how high is the ceiling???
>> LOL, that's what I was going to ask too. :->)
>We're in definite agreement here.
Can you agree with a question? I'd be happier to be agreeing with an answer.
> Im building a home studio for recording v/o mainly. room > is about 8ft by 8ft and I need to put in a window betwen > it and the sound bay. Someone suggested puttng in a > simple triple glazed pvc window. The window is going to > be about 2.5ft by 4ft, large enough so Im worried by > sound reflection. If this window is flat instead of > angled are ther likely to be problems? Does anyone know > of a manufacturer of studio windows in the UK or europe. > Though this is being built on a relatively low budget i > dont want to compremise sound in anyway.
The inherent sound proofing of PVC storm windows is IME pretty impressive. I have a friend whose house ended up fronting onto a freeway side drive. Outside there is a fair-sized roar. Inside with the windows shut, you could be just about anywhere.
I don't know how things are done in Europe, but in the US major cities have several local factories that make PVC storm windows. Check your phone directory or the web.
A local factory (of at least 3 major ones in this city) happens to be a client of my computer business.
Everything he builds is custom, and just about any aspect of the window, such as thickness of glass per layer, is up to the customer. About a week turn-around.
SoundBites wrote: > Thanks for all the constructive replies..... floor to ceiling about > 8ft too.
Double-glazed may be sufficient. Have the two sheets slightly out of paralel with each other (ie one vertical, and the other at a slight angle top-to-bottom).
On Nov 5, 4:57 am, SoundBites <event...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
> Im building a home studio for recording v/o mainly. room is about 8ft by > 8ft and I need to put in a window betwen it and the sound bay. Someone > suggested puttng in a simple triple glazed pvc window. The window is > going to be about 2.5ft by 4ft, large enough so Im worried by sound > reflection. If this window is flat instead of angled are ther likely to > be problems? Does anyone know of a manufacturer of studio windows in the > UK or europe. Though this is being built on a relatively low budget i > dont want to compremise sound in anyway.
> Thanks for looking
> M
all studio glass should be laminated. This is the same kind of glass used in automobiles. 2 sheets of glass bonded together around a clear mylar sheet. Any glass seller can order it & it's not particularly expensive. If you tap on it it makes a thud sound, not a ping sound like every other kind of window glass out there. If you're serious, this is the only choice!
> Im building a home studio for recording v/o mainly. room is about 8ft by > 8ft and I need to put in a window betwen it and the sound bay. Someone > suggested puttng in a simple triple glazed pvc window. The window is > going to be about 2.5ft by 4ft, large enough so Im worried by sound > reflection. If this window is flat instead of angled are ther likely to > be problems? Does anyone know of a manufacturer of studio windows in the > UK or europe. Though this is being built on a relatively low budget i > dont want to compremise sound in anyway.
> Thanks for looking
> M
Why in the name of all that's holy would you build a v/o room 8 x 8 x 8?
geoff <ge...@nospam-paf.co.nz> wrote: > SoundBites wrote: > > Thanks for all the constructive replies..... floor to ceiling about > > 8ft too.
> Double-glazed may be sufficient. Have the two sheets slightly out of > paralel with each other (ie one vertical, and the other at a slight angle > top-to-bottom).
Having both panes sloping would reduce the problems which sound reflection might cause. If they both slope so as to reflect slightly downwards (like a thin inverted truncated pyramid), this would help to reduce reflections from the ceiling lighting too.
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Bigguy <big...@gmail.com> wrote: > SoundBites wrote: > > Hi
> > Im building a home studio for recording v/o mainly. room is about 8ft by > > 8ft and I need to put in a window betwen it and the sound bay. Someone > > suggested puttng in a simple triple glazed pvc window. The window is > > going to be about 2.5ft by 4ft, large enough so Im worried by sound > > reflection. If this window is flat instead of angled are ther likely to > > be problems? Does anyone know of a manufacturer of studio windows in the > > UK or europe. Though this is being built on a relatively low budget i > > dont want to compremise sound in anyway.
> > Thanks for looking
> > M > Why in the name of all that's holy would you build a v/o room 8 x 8 x 8?
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:57:12 -0000, SoundBites <event...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know of a manufacturer of studio windows in the UK or > europe. Though this is being built on a relatively low budget i dont > want to compremise sound in anyway.
> Why in the name of all that's holy would you build a v/o room 8 x 8 x 8?
> The window is the least of your problems... :-(
> Guy
would you belive if I told you Im recording vo for a documentary called "the 30st voice over artist"? He's actually 6ft tall x 6ft x 6ft......I swear ..... its true.
James Perrett wrote: > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:57:12 -0000, SoundBites <event...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
>> Does anyone know of a manufacturer of studio windows in the UK or >> europe. Though this is being built on a relatively low budget i dont >> want to compremise sound in anyway.
Do you need a window? I've seen several new studios that are using a couple of CCTV cameras and LCD monitors, mounted where the window would otherwise be.
Swanny <swa...@nospam.org> wrote: >Do you need a window? I've seen several new studios that are using a >couple of CCTV cameras and LCD monitors, mounted where the window would >otherwise be.
I have worked in places like this, where the control room couldn't be made to be adjacent to the studio. It's not much fun, but it can be made to work much better today than it could in the days of CRTs and vidicon tubes, when the video sweep whistle would leak into all audio lines everywhere. It still feels awfully distant, though. --scott
-- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
On Nov 5, 4:57 am, SoundBites <event...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
> Im building a home studio for recording v/o mainly. room is about 8ft by > 8ft and I need to put in a window betwen it and the sound bay. Someone > suggested puttng in a simple triple glazed pvc window. The window is > going to be about 2.5ft by 4ft, large enough so Im worried by sound > reflection. If this window is flat instead of angled are ther likely to > be problems? Does anyone know of a manufacturer of studio windows in the > UK or europe. Though this is being built on a relatively low budget i > dont want to compremise sound in anyway.
> Thanks for looking
> M
M, That's a fairly small window. A layer of 1/4 safety laminated is a good start. This is twice as thick as normal glass. Two layers would be much better. It is better that the two layers be different thicknesses. It is a very good idea to bounce the sound up toward the ceiling, if it is not hard and too close, on which ever side is more critical. You want the stops to be compressed closed cell foam- camper seal. If you have specific questions contact me. ericblack...@myfairpoint.net. This is what I do. http;// www.BlackmerSound.com. Best, Eric B
Eric B wrote: > On Nov 5, 3:32 pm, David Aguilera > <a_b_s_e_n_c_e_s_t_u_d_i_o...@gmail.com> wrote: >> SoundBites wrote:
>>> Thanks for all the constructive replies..... floor to ceiling about 8ft >>> too. >>> All the best >>> M >> I think you'd better continue a conversation with Ethan about the >> dimensions of your room.
>> Regards,
>> David
> Ya, really 8 feet by 8 feet by 8 feet. I think there might be some > shared resonances there... > Eric
Thanks Eric & David for pointing out the issue with the room size and shared resonances. Ill check the exact dimensions and look into it further. This is all a learning curve for me. Im a location sound mixer and this is my first studio build...Id like it to be my only studio build for a long time so I again thank everybody for all this valuable advice.
Id looked at using a video link between the studio and sound bay. Cost is one issue but I much prefer plain old eye to eye contact.
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