Kurt Busiek wrote: > On 2009-11-07 10:04:33 -0800, "W. Citoan" <wcit...@NOSPAM-yahoo.com> said:
>> Kurt Busiek wrote: >>> On 2009-11-07 07:32:46 -0800, "W. Citoan" <wcit...@NOSPAM-yahoo.com> >>> said:
>>>> Kurt Busiek wrote: >>>>> On 2009-11-06 18:04:01 -0800, "Mike Schilling" >>>>> <mscottschill...@hotmail.com> said:
>>>>>> If I mail back a Netflick Tuesday, I often have the replacement >>>>>> disk on >>>>>> Wednesday.
>>>>> That's because of two things:
>>>>> 1. Local shipping centers. We do Blockbuster Online, and our movies >>>>> are mailed from the next town over, which is usually a one-day >>>>> delivery >>>>> range.
>>>>> 2. There are codes on the return envelope that get read at the post >>>>> office and transmitted to the company, so they check in your disk as >>>>> "on the way back" before it actually arrives back; being in the post >>>>> office system is enough to trigger delivery of the next one.
>>>> You sure about that second one? That's the first I've heard that.
>>> Well, a reasonably-highly-placed executive at Blockbuster, who >>> specifically works in the Online division, told me that. Could be he >>> was lying, but he had no reason to.
>> Interesting. Might be a Blockbuster specific thing.
>>>> It doesn't match the emails that Netflix sends (DVD received, DVD sent) >>>> & the relative times between the emails and the mailings (i.e. the time >>>> between mailing the DVD & getting the "DVD received" is pretty >>>> coincident with the time between getting the "DVD sent" and receiving >>>> the DVD).
>>> So do you ever drop a DVD in the mail Tuesday and have the replacement >>> Wednesday?
>> Nope. Drop the DVD in the mail Tuesday. Receive an email Wednesday >> that they've recieved it. Receive another email on Wednesday saying >> they're sending the next one. Receive that DVD on Thursday.
> Could be your post office isn't hooked up to do those scans. But since > Mike Schilling does often get a one-day turnaround, Netflix is clearly > capable -- in his area, at least -- of moving faster than the speed of > physical delivery. So they're getting the data from somewhere, or his > post office makes more-than-daily deliveries, which seems unlikely.
It could just be timing. If the post office picks up from him early enough it could reach NetFlix the same day early enough that they ship the next disc out the same day.
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> Kurt Busiek wrote: >> On 2009-11-07 10:04:33 -0800, "W. Citoan" <wcit...@NOSPAM-yahoo.com> said:
>>> Kurt Busiek wrote: >>>> On 2009-11-07 07:32:46 -0800, "W. Citoan" <wcit...@NOSPAM-yahoo.com> said:
>>>>> Kurt Busiek wrote: >>>>>> On 2009-11-06 18:04:01 -0800, "Mike Schilling" >>>>>> <mscottschill...@hotmail.com> said:
>>>>>>> If I mail back a Netflick Tuesday, I often have the replacement disk on >>>>>>> Wednesday.
>>>>>> That's because of two things:
>>>>>> 1. Local shipping centers. We do Blockbuster Online, and our movies >>>>>> are mailed from the next town over, which is usually a one-day delivery >>>>>> range.
>>>>>> 2. There are codes on the return envelope that get read at the post >>>>>> office and transmitted to the company, so they check in your disk as >>>>>> "on the way back" before it actually arrives back; being in the post >>>>>> office system is enough to trigger delivery of the next one.
>>>>> You sure about that second one? That's the first I've heard that.
>>>> Well, a reasonably-highly-placed executive at Blockbuster, who >>>> specifically works in the Online division, told me that. Could be he >>>> was lying, but he had no reason to.
>>> Interesting. Might be a Blockbuster specific thing.
>>>>> It doesn't match the emails that Netflix sends (DVD received, DVD sent) >>>>> & the relative times between the emails and the mailings (i.e. the time >>>>> between mailing the DVD & getting the "DVD received" is pretty >>>>> coincident with the time between getting the "DVD sent" and receiving >>>>> the DVD).
>>>> So do you ever drop a DVD in the mail Tuesday and have the replacement >>>> Wednesday?
>>> Nope. Drop the DVD in the mail Tuesday. Receive an email Wednesday >>> that they've recieved it. Receive another email on Wednesday saying >>> they're sending the next one. Receive that DVD on Thursday.
>> Could be your post office isn't hooked up to do those scans. But since >> Mike Schilling does often get a one-day turnaround, Netflix is clearly >> capable -- in his area, at least -- of moving faster than the speed of >> physical delivery. So they're getting the data from somewhere, or his >> post office makes more-than-daily deliveries, which seems unlikely.
> It could just be timing. If the post office picks up from him early > enough it could reach NetFlix the same day early enough that they ship > the next disc out the same day.
That requires more-than-daily delivery, doesn't it? If they pick up from him, that's one round, and if they deliver to Netflix, that's another.
Unless they pick up his area first, sort and send out mail and only then deliver to Netflix, but I don't think modern Post Offices do that, either. Deliver, collect, sort for tomorrow.
:: It could just be timing. If the post office picks up from him early :: enough it could reach NetFlix the same day early enough that they :: ship the next disc out the same day.
: Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> : That requires more-than-daily delivery, doesn't it?
Not technically.
: If they pick up from him, that's one round, and if they deliver to : Netflix, that's another.
The one is a pickup. The other is a delivery. Hence, the technicality. Plus, it's a visit to two differen areas, which may occur at different times of day.
On 2009-11-07 21:48:35 -0800, thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) said:
> :: It could just be timing. If the post office picks up from him early > :: enough it could reach NetFlix the same day early enough that they > :: ship the next disc out the same day.
> : Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> > : That requires more-than-daily delivery, doesn't it?
> Not technically.
> : If they pick up from him, that's one round, and if they deliver to > : Netflix, that's another.
> The one is a pickup. The other is a delivery. > Hence, the technicality.
Are ther residential pickups that don't take place during delivery?
I'm not asking about semantic quibbling, but about what the Post Office actually does.
> Plus, it's a visit to two differen areas, > which may occur at different times of day.
Which was noted in the part you snipped; it's still have to have a sort-and-pack done in between the two times, which seems unlikely.
> On 2009-11-07 21:48:35 -0800, thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) said:
>> :: It could just be timing. If the post office picks up from him early >> :: enough it could reach NetFlix the same day early enough that they >> :: ship the next disc out the same day.
>> : Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> >> : That requires more-than-daily delivery, doesn't it?
>> Not technically.
>> : If they pick up from him, that's one round, and if they deliver to >> : Netflix, that's another.
>> The one is a pickup. The other is a delivery. >> Hence, the technicality.
> Are ther residential pickups that don't take place during delivery?
> I'm not asking about semantic quibbling, but about what the Post Office > actually does.
>> Plus, it's a visit to two differen areas, >> which may occur at different times of day.
> Which was noted in the part you snipped; it's still have to have a > sort-and-pack done in between the two times, which seems unlikely.
If this were true, for instance, then other places than Netflix could get same-day delivery; if your pickup gets through sort-and-pavck and out to a later-that-day delivery route. But we don't hear about that.
: Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> :: Are ther residential pickups that don't take place during delivery?
Depends on just how you count. In my neighborhood, there are pickups at the post office, which I would say is "in the neighborhood", and pickups at various locations that aren't part of delivery routes, several times daily. The box at the end of my street is picked up 3 hours before household deliveries occur, and the one at the post office two miles away is picked up 6 or so hours before household deliveries occur.
::: Plus, it's a visit to two differen areas, which may occur at ::: different times of day. :: Which was noted in the part you snipped; it's still have to have a :: sort-and-pack done in between the two times, which seems unlikely. : If this were true, for instance, then other places than Netflix could : get same-day delivery; if your pickup gets through sort-and-pavck and : out to a later-that-day delivery route. But we don't hear about that.
Let's say a vendor has bribed^H arranged with the postoffice to get an extra pickup in the early morning or late evening. And of course, the neighborhood postoffice has a "pickup" at 6am; maybe it collects nearby at the ends of streets then also (though at the end of my street, it doesn't; but suppose). So, you pop your dvd into the street-end box on your way to work in the morning, it goes into the sort-and-pack, gets delivered to netflix in the afternoon, they get their extra pickup for their return to you, it goes into the next day's sort-and-pack, and gets delivered to you in the early afternoon, about 28 or 32 hours after you dropped the old one in a box.
I'm not saying this is the probable method. Merely that it is *possible*, and would involve arranging for an extra pickup, not an extra sort, so not everybody would bother with it.
Of course, to get it *the* *next* *day* given a from-house-during-delivery pickup of the dvd (which has to occur after a sort-and-pack), even if there is e-notification, either the scanning would have to be done on the fly as the carriers are on their route, or if it's done during the sort-and-pack, there'd have to be two.
On 2009-11-07 22:26:13 -0800, thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) said:
> : Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> > :: Are ther residential pickups that don't take place during delivery?
> Depends on just how you count.
I was counting residential pickups, not post office pickups.
> In my neighborhood, there are pickups > at the post office, which I would say is "in the neighborhood", and > pickups at various locations that aren't part of delivery routes, several > times daily. The box at the end of my street is picked up 3 hours before > household deliveries occur, and the one at the post office two miles away > is picked up 6 or so hours before household deliveries occur.
The only one of those that might count as a residntial pickup would be the box at the end if your street, if that's the box you'd put a Netflix envelope out for delivery in.
> Let's say a vendor has bribed^H arranged with the postoffice to get > an extra pickup in the early morning or late evening.
Let's not. I'm more interested in figuring out what actually happens, instead of building imaginary castles in the air for the sake of doing so.
Kurt Busiek wrote: > On 2009-11-07 18:45:13 -0800, Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> said:
> > It could just be timing. If the post office picks up from him early > > enough it could reach NetFlix the same day early enough that they ship > > the next disc out the same day.
> That requires more-than-daily delivery, doesn't it? If they pick up > from him, that's one round, and if they deliver to Netflix, that's > another.
> Unless they pick up his area first, sort and send out mail and only > then deliver to Netflix, but I don't think modern Post Offices do that, > either. Deliver, collect, sort for tomorrow.
As I understand it, the Post Office does not deliver to Netflix; Netflix goes to the Post Office. As long as Mike is served by the same regional center that a Netflix distribution center is, it's still possible.
He mails. It gets to the Post office that day. Netflix picks it up at the Post Office. They process overnight and drop off the new one. The Post office delivers it the same day. Only requires daily pick-ups on the Post Office part. It would be Netflix making two trips to the Post Office a day.
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In article <1257661...@sheol.org>, Wayne Throop <thro...@sheol.org> wrote: >you pop your dvd into the street-end box on your way to work in the >morning, it goes into the sort-and-pack, gets delivered to netflix in >the afternoon, they get their extra pickup for their return to you, >it goes into the next day's sort-and-pack, and gets delivered to you >in the early afternoon, about 28 or 32 hours after you dropped the >old one in a box.
Large mailers are generally required to do their own sorting. (Well, bribed, anyway, but the difference it rates is substantial if you're mailing a thousand items at a time.)
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> Kurt Busiek wrote: >> On 2009-11-07 18:45:13 -0800, Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> said:
>>> It could just be timing. If the post office picks up from him early >>> enough it could reach NetFlix the same day early enough that they ship >>> the next disc out the same day.
>> That requires more-than-daily delivery, doesn't it? If they pick up >> from him, that's one round, and if they deliver to Netflix, that's >> another.
>> Unless they pick up his area first, sort and send out mail and only >> then deliver to Netflix, but I don't think modern Post Offices do that, >> either. Deliver, collect, sort for tomorrow.
> As I understand it, the Post Office does not deliver to Netflix; Netflix > goes to the Post Office. As long as Mike is served by the same regional > center that a Netflix distribution center is, it's still possible.
> He mails. It gets to the Post office that day. Netflix picks it up at > the Post Office. They process overnight and drop off the new one. The > Post office delivers it the same day. Only requires daily pick-ups on > the Post Office part. It would be Netflix making two trips to the Post > Office a day.
That makes sense. Though it still requires two sorts a day, at least -- though one of them may be an evening sort just to get the Netflix stufff sorted out in time for them to pick it up, and then a morning sort-and-pack to get stuff out for delivery. Those need to happen anyway, of course -- a sort of what's collected, to be sent on to other hubs, and a sort of what's come in from other hubs (along with the stuff that stays in that area) for delivery -- so if the timing's right on them, that would work for Netflix.
So would the code-reading thing, of course, if it happens.
: Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> : Let's not. I'm more interested in figuring out what actually happens, : instead of building imaginary castles in the air for the sake of doing : so.
IM uninformed-and-hence-tenative O, three scenarios in decreasing order of liklihood-to-result-in-next-day-reply, are 1)scanning of tracking numbers during a pickup/delivery route, 2) extra pickups, and 3) extra sorts.
I don't expect it's really likely to "figure out" the actual scenario, with any confidence, except by variations on the "I have here a fine barometer" method. I could of course be wrong.
On 2009-11-08 11:00:53 -0800, thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) said:
> : Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> > : Let's not. I'm more interested in figuring out what actually happens, > : instead of building imaginary castles in the air for the sake of doing > : so.
> IM uninformed-and-hence-tenative O, three scenarios in decreasing order of > liklihood-to-result-in-next-day-reply, are 1)scanning of tracking numbers > during a pickup/delivery route, 2) extra pickups, and 3) extra sorts.
> I don't expect it's really likely to "figure out" the actual scenario, > with any confidence, except by variations on the "I have here a fine > barometer" method. I could of course be wrong.
Sure, but "Hey, these are the best guesses and we can't go further than that at present" beats "Let's imagine unlikely but physically possible scenaria just for the hell of it."
In this situation and to my mind, at least. I wasn't bringing it up as an invitation to castles in the air, but because I'm interested in what might actually account for it, not simply what is physically possible, however unlikely.
