> > Well, I've been reading articles indicating that some companies > > will cancel your account if you pay it all off.
> There's been speculation about that. To date I've seen no indication > that companies are doing it.
Let me check BBC news... (" A warship built with steel salvaged from the World Trade Center is put into service in New York"... pardon?)
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7266578.stm> relates to a British Internet bank called Egg, which denied cancelling cards because people were too good at paying off the debt in the first month, but said it was because their psychic division anticipated that those customers /would/ be not making payments in future months. This turned out to be because they'd had the credit card taken away from them. The psychic division has been rationalised.
Well, not any of that really, but do you believe my version or theirs? (Or the actual complaints.)
I'm glad I don't bank with an Internet bank. Because of stuff like this, and because you can't go find them if there's a problem. (Of course, if there's a bad problem, I go to my bank and no one's there and I might as well be in a Charles Dickens novel.)
> Let me check BBC news... > (" A warship built with steel salvaged from the World Trade Center is > put into service in New York"... pardon?)
Some of the steel from the World Trade Center was recycled and used in the construction of a US Navy amphibious transport dock ship, the USS New York. She was commissioned today (Nov 7).
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Dimensional Traveler wrote: > Robert Carnegie wrote:
> > Let me check BBC news... > > (" A warship built with steel salvaged from the World Trade Center is > > put into service in New York"... pardon?)
> Some of the steel from the World Trade Center was recycled and used in > the construction of a US Navy amphibious transport dock ship, the USS > New York. She was commissioned today (Nov 7).
Uhuh, but does the wording imply that the warship is going about its business in New York, and what and how would that be?
Well... I suppose New York City is a port, and ports have to be defended?
But do they put the boat on some kind of big wheels and roll it around town, or is there enough navigable water to do the job?
>Dimensional Traveler wrote: >> Robert Carnegie wrote:
>> > Let me check BBC news... >> > (" A warship built with steel salvaged from the World Trade Center is >> > put into service in New York"... pardon?)
>> Some of the steel from the World Trade Center was recycled and used in >> the construction of a US Navy amphibious transport dock ship, the USS >> New York. She was commissioned today (Nov 7).
>Uhuh, but does the wording imply that the warship is going about its >business in New York, and what and how would that be?
>Well... I suppose New York City is a port, and ports have to be >defended?
>But do they put the boat on some kind of big wheels and roll it around >town, or is there enough navigable water to do the job?
>Maybe it's just my eccentric thought.
Well, Manhattan, the central portion of New York City. It's an island. I don't know which of the rivers, bays, etcetera surrounding it are navigable, but some of them must be.
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Robert Carnegie wrote: > Dimensional Traveler wrote: > > Robert Carnegie wrote:
> > > Let me check BBC news... (" A warship built with steel salvaged > > > from the World Trade Center is put into service in New York"... > > > pardon?)
> > Some of the steel from the World Trade Center was recycled and used > > in the construction of a US Navy amphibious transport dock ship, the > > USS New York. She was commissioned today (Nov 7).
> Uhuh, but does the wording imply that the warship is going about its > business in New York, and what and how would that be?
It was commissioned in New York as a symbolic act.
> Well... I suppose New York City is a port, and ports have to be > defended?
> But do they put the boat on some kind of big wheels and roll it > around town, or is there enough navigable water to do the job?
> Maybe it's just my eccentric thought.
Er, you seem to be significantly underestimating the size of New York Harbor...
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>>> > Let me check BBC news... >>> > (" A warship built with steel salvaged from the World Trade Center is >>> > put into service in New York"... pardon?)
>>> Some of the steel from the World Trade Center was recycled and used in >>> the construction of a US Navy amphibious transport dock ship, the USS >>> New York. She was commissioned today (Nov 7).
>>Uhuh, but does the wording imply that the warship is going about its >>business in New York, and what and how would that be?
>>Well... I suppose New York City is a port, and ports have to be >>defended?
>>But do they put the boat on some kind of big wheels and roll it around >>town, or is there enough navigable water to do the job?
>>Maybe it's just my eccentric thought.
>Well, Manhattan, the central portion of New York City. It's >an island. I don't know which of the rivers, bays, etcetera >surrounding it are navigable, but some of them must be.
All of them are. A boat ride round Manhatten Island is quite a popular tourist thing.
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>>>> > Let me check BBC news... >>>> > (" A warship built with steel salvaged from the World Trade Center is >>>> > put into service in New York"... pardon?)
>>>> Some of the steel from the World Trade Center was recycled and used in >>>> the construction of a US Navy amphibious transport dock ship, the USS >>>> New York. She was commissioned today (Nov 7).
>>>Uhuh, but does the wording imply that the warship is going about its >>>business in New York, and what and how would that be?
>>>Well... I suppose New York City is a port, and ports have to be >>>defended?
>>>But do they put the boat on some kind of big wheels and roll it around >>>town, or is there enough navigable water to do the job?
>>>Maybe it's just my eccentric thought.
>>Well, Manhattan, the central portion of New York City. It's >>an island. I don't know which of the rivers, bays, etcetera >>surrounding it are navigable, but some of them must be.
>All of them are. A boat ride round Manhatten Island is quite a popular >tourist thing.
Thank you for the information. I have been in New York City, but was never in a position to examine any of its waterways.
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Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <160ff5hkdi2hqp12e54hhhe4ri5fk7v...@4ax.com>, > Don Aitken <don-ait...@freeuk.com> wrote: >> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:59:46 GMT, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) >> wrote:
>>> In article <876d0b04-5a90-4ace-97c3-3836aa085...@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, >>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote: >>>> Dimensional Traveler wrote: >>>>> Robert Carnegie wrote: >>>>>> Let me check BBC news... >>>>>> (" A warship built with steel salvaged from the World Trade Center is >>>>>> put into service in New York"... pardon?)
>>>>> Some of the steel from the World Trade Center was recycled and used in >>>>> the construction of a US Navy amphibious transport dock ship, the USS >>>>> New York. She was commissioned today (Nov 7). >>>> Uhuh, but does the wording imply that the warship is going about its >>>> business in New York, and what and how would that be?
>>>> Well... I suppose New York City is a port, and ports have to be >>>> defended?
>>>> But do they put the boat on some kind of big wheels and roll it around >>>> town, or is there enough navigable water to do the job?
>>>> Maybe it's just my eccentric thought. >>> Well, Manhattan, the central portion of New York City. It's >>> an island. I don't know which of the rivers, bays, etcetera >>> surrounding it are navigable, but some of them must be. >> All of them are. A boat ride round Manhatten Island is quite a popular >> tourist thing.
> Thank you for the information. I have been in New York City, but > was never in a position to examine any of its waterways.
NYC is at the mouth of the Hudson River, which is a major shipping route. The navigability of the river and the excellent natural harbor were the reasons the city was founded there in the first place.
As for the ship, the USS New York's commissioning ceremony took place in the Port of New York. I.E., "put into service in New York".
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>Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> In article <160ff5hkdi2hqp12e54hhhe4ri5fk7v...@4ax.com>, >> Don Aitken <don-ait...@freeuk.com> wrote: >>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:59:46 GMT, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) >>> wrote: >>>> Well, Manhattan, the central portion of New York City. It's >>>> an island. I don't know which of the rivers, bays, etcetera >>>> surrounding it are navigable, but some of them must be. >>> All of them are. A boat ride round Manhatten Island is quite a popular >>> tourist thing.
>> Thank you for the information. I have been in New York City, but >> was never in a position to examine any of its waterways.
>NYC is at the mouth of the Hudson River, which is a major shipping >route. The navigability of the river and the excellent natural harbor >were the reasons the city was founded there in the first place.
Yes, I knew that, more or less. I also know that rivers silt up over time. I still don't know which of those waterways surrounding Manhattan -- which look teeny on the map -- are actually navigable on a commercial basis. A tourist boat ride around the island could be done in very narrow, shallow water. Consider the Jungle Boat ride in Disneyland.
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>In article <4af7cf05$0$1619$742ec...@news.sonic.net>, >Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote: >>Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>> In article <160ff5hkdi2hqp12e54hhhe4ri5fk7v...@4ax.com>, >>> Don Aitken <don-ait...@freeuk.com> wrote: >>>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:59:46 GMT, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) >>>> wrote:
>>>>> Well, Manhattan, the central portion of New York City. It's >>>>> an island. I don't know which of the rivers, bays, etcetera >>>>> surrounding it are navigable, but some of them must be. >>>> All of them are. A boat ride round Manhatten Island is quite a popular >>>> tourist thing.
>>> Thank you for the information. I have been in New York City, but >>> was never in a position to examine any of its waterways.
>>NYC is at the mouth of the Hudson River, which is a major shipping >>route. The navigability of the river and the excellent natural harbor >>were the reasons the city was founded there in the first place.
>Yes, I knew that, more or less. I also know that rivers silt up >over time. I still don't know which of those waterways >surrounding Manhattan -- which look teeny on the map -- are >actually navigable on a commercial basis. A tourist boat ride >around the island could be done in very narrow, shallow water. >Consider the Jungle Boat ride in Disneyland.
I haven't done the tourist boat ride, but the only narrow part, probably not used, by much, if any, other traffic, is the Harlem River. From maps, I would guess that it is navigable by reasonably sizeable boats, but, unlike the Hudson and East Rivers, not by seagoing ships.
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> In article <4af7cf05$0$1619$742ec...@news.sonic.net>, > Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > >> In article <160ff5hkdi2hqp12e54hhhe4ri5fk7v...@4ax.com>, > >> Don Aitken <don-ait...@freeuk.com> wrote: > >>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:59:46 GMT, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) > >>> wrote: > >>>> Well, Manhattan, the central portion of New York City. It's > >>>> an island. I don't know which of the rivers, bays, etcetera > >>>> surrounding it are navigable, but some of them must be. > >>> All of them are. A boat ride round Manhatten Island is quite a popular > >>> tourist thing.
> >> Thank you for the information. I have been in New York City, but > >> was never in a position to examine any of its waterways.
> >NYC is at the mouth of the Hudson River, which is a major shipping > >route. The navigability of the river and the excellent natural harbor > >were the reasons the city was founded there in the first place.
> Yes, I knew that, more or less. I also know that rivers silt up > over time. I still don't know which of those waterways > surrounding Manhattan -- which look teeny on the map -- are > actually navigable on a commercial basis. A tourist boat ride > around the island could be done in very narrow, shallow water. > Consider the Jungle Boat ride in Disneyland.
The Wisconsin glaciation, which ended about 14000 years ago, is responsible for much of the geography of the region. George Washington's famous retreat at the Battle of Brooklyn became famous because the ridge all across Long Island (with just a few perpendicular valleys) actually marks the southernmost reach of the glacier- it piled up rock and soil across the middle of Long Island (the terminal moraine), and it was a tough maneuver to get troops over it.
Those same glaciers carved the Hudson Canyon, and the river is really quite deep. The flow is such that most of the silt is carried out into the Atlantic; New York Harbor water is really pretty clear most of the time.
The East River is called that because it's on the east side of Manhattan. It is also deep enough for commercial shipping- the docks in Brooklyn are still pretty active, although nothing like they were 50 years ago. You can connect the East River to the Hudson by going all the way north around Manhattan- following the Harlem River, which isn't really a river at all. The outlet of the Harlem River and the East River, headed east, is Long Island Sound, also plenty deep for commercial traffic. Military, too, as one of the major US Navy submarine bases is at New London, CT.
As the Hudson heads south into New York Harbor, it splits around Staten Island (also part of New York City). Between Staten Island and New Jersey you find the Arthur Kill ("kill" is "waterway" or something close to it, in Dutch), which is also navigable- lots of shipping from the NJ ports of Hoboken and Elizabeth pass through.
Some of the waterways need dredging every now and then (there's a huge dredger in lower NY Harbor as I write this) but it really is a spectacular, natural, ice-free harbor.
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>In article <4af7cf05$0$1619$742ec...@news.sonic.net>, >Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote: >>Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>> In article <160ff5hkdi2hqp12e54hhhe4ri5fk7v...@4ax.com>, >>> Don Aitken <don-ait...@freeuk.com> wrote: >>>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:59:46 GMT, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) >>>> wrote:
>>>>> Well, Manhattan, the central portion of New York City. It's >>>>> an island. I don't know which of the rivers, bays, etcetera >>>>> surrounding it are navigable, but some of them must be. >>>> All of them are. A boat ride round Manhatten Island is quite a popular >>>> tourist thing.
>>> Thank you for the information. I have been in New York City, but >>> was never in a position to examine any of its waterways.
>>NYC is at the mouth of the Hudson River, which is a major shipping >>route. The navigability of the river and the excellent natural harbor >>were the reasons the city was founded there in the first place.
>Yes, I knew that, more or less. I also know that rivers silt up >over time.
Not all rivers.
>I still don't know which of those waterways >surrounding Manhattan -- which look teeny on the map -- are >actually navigable on a commercial basis.
All of them. There's an aircraft carrier permanently docked on the Upper West Side of Manhattan as a museum, for example, and big cruise ships sail from docks on the Hudson. Supertankers use the New Jersey side of the river. The Brooklyn Navy Yard is on the East River and can handle any ship made.
The only side of Manhattan that isn't seriously deep, wide water is the Harlem River, between Manhattan and the Bronx, and even that can take pretty much anything short of a supertanker or big liner.
I think you misjudge the scale on whatever map you're looking at.
>>In article <4af7cf05$0$1619$742ec...@news.sonic.net>, >>Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote: >>>Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>>> In article <160ff5hkdi2hqp12e54hhhe4ri5fk7v...@4ax.com>, >>>> Don Aitken <don-ait...@freeuk.com> wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:59:46 GMT, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Well, Manhattan, the central portion of New York City. It's >>>>>> an island. I don't know which of the rivers, bays, etcetera >>>>>> surrounding it are navigable, but some of them must be. >>>>> All of them are. A boat ride round Manhatten Island is quite a popular >>>>> tourist thing.
>>>> Thank you for the information. I have been in New York City, but >>>> was never in a position to examine any of its waterways.
>>>NYC is at the mouth of the Hudson River, which is a major shipping >>>route. The navigability of the river and the excellent natural harbor >>>were the reasons the city was founded there in the first place.
>>Yes, I knew that, more or less. I also know that rivers silt up >>over time.
>Not all rivers.
>>I still don't know which of those waterways >>surrounding Manhattan -- which look teeny on the map -- are >>actually navigable on a commercial basis.
>All of them. There's an aircraft carrier permanently docked on the >Upper West Side of Manhattan as a museum, for example, and big cruise >ships sail from docks on the Hudson. Supertankers use the New Jersey >side of the river. The Brooklyn Navy Yard is on the East River and >can handle any ship made.
>The only side of Manhattan that isn't seriously deep, wide water is >the Harlem River, between Manhattan and the Bronx, and even that can >take pretty much anything short of a supertanker or big liner.
>I think you misjudge the scale on whatever map you're looking at.
Probably. I have been in New York *once*. And I got there by train and subway (from Connecticut), and never got a look at those waterways at all.
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Chris wrote: > On Nov 9, 10:34 am, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote: > > In article <4af7cf05$0$1619$742ec...@news.sonic.net>, > > Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote:
> > >Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > > >> In article <160ff5hkdi2hqp12e54hhhe4ri5fk7v...@4ax.com>, > > >> Don Aitken <don-ait...@freeuk.com> wrote: > > >>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:59:46 GMT, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> Well, Manhattan, the central portion of New York City. It's > > >>>> an island. I don't know which of the rivers, bays, etcetera > > >>>> surrounding it are navigable, but some of them must be. > > >>> All of them are. A boat ride round Manhatten Island is quite a popular > > >>> tourist thing.
> > >> Thank you for the information. I have been in New York City, but > > >> was never in a position to examine any of its waterways.
> > >NYC is at the mouth of the Hudson River, which is a major shipping > > >route. The navigability of the river and the excellent natural harbor > > >were the reasons the city was founded there in the first place.
> > Yes, I knew that, more or less. I also know that rivers silt up > > over time. I still don't know which of those waterways > > surrounding Manhattan -- which look teeny on the map -- are > > actually navigable on a commercial basis. A tourist boat ride > > around the island could be done in very narrow, shallow water. > > Consider the Jungle Boat ride in Disneyland.
> The Wisconsin glaciation, which ended about 14000 years ago, is > responsible for much of the geography of the region. George > Washington's famous retreat at the Battle of Brooklyn became famous > because the ridge all across Long Island (with just a few > perpendicular valleys) actually marks the southernmost reach of the > glacier- it piled up rock and soil across the middle of Long Island > (the terminal moraine), and it was a tough maneuver to get troops over > it.
> Those same glaciers carved the Hudson Canyon, and the river is really > quite deep. The flow is such that most of the silt is carried out into > the Atlantic; New York Harbor water is really pretty clear most of the > time.
> The East River is called that because it's on the east side of > Manhattan. It is also deep enough for commercial shipping- the docks > in Brooklyn are still pretty active, although nothing like they were > 50 years ago. You can connect the East River to the Hudson by going > all the way north around Manhattan- following the Harlem River, which > isn't really a river at all. The outlet of the Harlem River and the > East River, headed east, is Long Island Sound, also plenty deep for > commercial traffic. Military, too, as one of the major US Navy > submarine bases is at New London, CT.
> As the Hudson heads south into New York Harbor, it splits around > Staten Island (also part of New York City). Between Staten Island and > New Jersey you find the Arthur Kill ("kill" is "waterway" or something > close to it, in Dutch), which is also navigable- lots of shipping from > the NJ ports of Hoboken and Elizabeth pass through.
> Some of the waterways need dredging every now and then (there's a huge > dredger in lower NY Harbor as I write this) but it really is a > spectacular, natural, ice-free harbor.
Are there pirates?
I am still working with this idea of a warship serving in New York City or state. But maybe that's played out now.
Robert Carnegie wrote: > Chris wrote: >> On Nov 9, 10:34 am, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote: >>> In article <4af7cf05$0$1619$742ec...@news.sonic.net>, >>> Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>>>> In article <160ff5hkdi2hqp12e54hhhe4ri5fk7v...@4ax.com>, >>>>> Don Aitken <don-ait...@freeuk.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:59:46 GMT, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Well, Manhattan, the central portion of New York City. It's >>>>>>> an island. I don't know which of the rivers, bays, etcetera >>>>>>> surrounding it are navigable, but some of them must be. >>>>>> All of them are. A boat ride round Manhatten Island is quite a popular >>>>>> tourist thing. >>>>> Thank you for the information. I have been in New York City, but >>>>> was never in a position to examine any of its waterways. >>>> NYC is at the mouth of the Hudson River, which is a major shipping >>>> route. The navigability of the river and the excellent natural harbor >>>> were the reasons the city was founded there in the first place. >>> Yes, I knew that, more or less. I also know that rivers silt up >>> over time. I still don't know which of those waterways >>> surrounding Manhattan -- which look teeny on the map -- are >>> actually navigable on a commercial basis. A tourist boat ride >>> around the island could be done in very narrow, shallow water. >>> Consider the Jungle Boat ride in Disneyland. >> The Wisconsin glaciation, which ended about 14000 years ago, is >> responsible for much of the geography of the region. George >> Washington's famous retreat at the Battle of Brooklyn became famous >> because the ridge all across Long Island (with just a few >> perpendicular valleys) actually marks the southernmost reach of the >> glacier- it piled up rock and soil across the middle of Long Island >> (the terminal moraine), and it was a tough maneuver to get troops over >> it.
>> Those same glaciers carved the Hudson Canyon, and the river is really >> quite deep. The flow is such that most of the silt is carried out into >> the Atlantic; New York Harbor water is really pretty clear most of the >> time.
>> The East River is called that because it's on the east side of >> Manhattan. It is also deep enough for commercial shipping- the docks >> in Brooklyn are still pretty active, although nothing like they were >> 50 years ago. You can connect the East River to the Hudson by going >> all the way north around Manhattan- following the Harlem River, which >> isn't really a river at all. The outlet of the Harlem River and the >> East River, headed east, is Long Island Sound, also plenty deep for >> commercial traffic. Military, too, as one of the major US Navy >> submarine bases is at New London, CT.
>> As the Hudson heads south into New York Harbor, it splits around >> Staten Island (also part of New York City). Between Staten Island and >> New Jersey you find the Arthur Kill ("kill" is "waterway" or something >> close to it, in Dutch), which is also navigable- lots of shipping from >> the NJ ports of Hoboken and Elizabeth pass through.
>> Some of the waterways need dredging every now and then (there's a huge >> dredger in lower NY Harbor as I write this) but it really is a >> spectacular, natural, ice-free harbor.
> Are there pirates?
> I am still working with this idea of a warship serving in New York > City or state. But maybe that's played out now.
The pirates are inland, on a street that used to run along the wall. So the warship would be protecting all the rest of us by keeping the pirates bottled up on an island.
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> Chris wrote: > > On Nov 9, 10:34 am, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote: > > > In article <4af7cf05$0$1619$742ec...@news.sonic.net>, > > > Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote:
> > > >Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > > > >> In article <160ff5hkdi2hqp12e54hhhe4ri5fk7v...@4ax.com>, > > > >> Don Aitken <don-ait...@freeuk.com> wrote: > > > >>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:59:46 GMT, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>>> Well, Manhattan, the central portion of New York City. It's > > > >>>> an island. I don't know which of the rivers, bays, etcetera > > > >>>> surrounding it are navigable, but some of them must be. > > > >>> All of them are. A boat ride round Manhatten Island is quite a popular > > > >>> tourist thing.
> > > >> Thank you for the information. I have been in New York City, but > > > >> was never in a position to examine any of its waterways.
> > > >NYC is at the mouth of the Hudson River, which is a major shipping > > > >route. The navigability of the river and the excellent natural harbor > > > >were the reasons the city was founded there in the first place.
> > > Yes, I knew that, more or less. I also know that rivers silt up > > > over time. I still don't know which of those waterways > > > surrounding Manhattan -- which look teeny on the map -- are > > > actually navigable on a commercial basis. A tourist boat ride > > > around the island could be done in very narrow, shallow water. > > > Consider the Jungle Boat ride in Disneyland.
> > The Wisconsin glaciation, which ended about 14000 years ago, is > > responsible for much of the geography of the region. George > > Washington's famous retreat at the Battle of Brooklyn became famous > > because the ridge all across Long Island (with just a few > > perpendicular valleys) actually marks the southernmost reach of the > > glacier- it piled up rock and soil across the middle of Long Island > > (the terminal moraine), and it was a tough maneuver to get troops over > > it.
> > Those same glaciers carved the Hudson Canyon, and the river is really > > quite deep. The flow is such that most of the silt is carried out into > > the Atlantic; New York Harbor water is really pretty clear most of the > > time.
> > The East River is called that because it's on the east side of > > Manhattan. It is also deep enough for commercial shipping- the docks > > in Brooklyn are still pretty active, although nothing like they were > > 50 years ago. You can connect the East River to the Hudson by going > > all the way north around Manhattan- following the Harlem River, which > > isn't really a river at all. The outlet of the Harlem River and the > > East River, headed east, is Long Island Sound, also plenty deep for > > commercial traffic. Military, too, as one of the major US Navy > > submarine bases is at New London, CT.
> > As the Hudson heads south into New York Harbor, it splits around > > Staten Island (also part of New York City). Between Staten Island and > > New Jersey you find the Arthur Kill ("kill" is "waterway" or something > > close to it, in Dutch), which is also navigable- lots of shipping from > > the NJ ports of Hoboken and Elizabeth pass through.
> > Some of the waterways need dredging every now and then (there's a huge > > dredger in lower NY Harbor as I write this) but it really is a > > spectacular, natural, ice-free harbor.
> Are there pirates?
> I am still working with this idea of a warship serving in New York > City or state. But maybe that's played out now.
There have always been warships in New York. For the most part, since World War II they have been small, fast and lightly armed, but they were there. For may years they were Coast Guard vessels, and their duties were mostly rescue and (sadly) search and recovery. Since 9/11 the warships have been upgunned and more highly trained in counter- terrorism.
But the USS New York is not really designed to work out of a place like New York harbor. The USS New York is supposed to be a "Littoral Combat Ship". Unlike the vessels the USN commissioned in the 60's, 70's, and 80's she is not a blue-water ship. She's supposed to operate inshore, with significant assistance from land-based or carrier-based air assets. I think even the navy is unsure about her exact mission, but they knew they wanted them.
The whole building process was a fiasco. See the NY Times article, "How not to build a warship":
Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote: >There have always been warships in New York. For the most part, since >World War II they have been small, fast and lightly armed, but they >were there. For may years they were Coast Guard vessels,
Coast guard vessels are not warships.
>The whole building process was a fiasco. See the NY Times article, >"How not to build a warship":
Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote: >Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote: >> Are there pirates?
>> I am still working with this idea of a warship serving in New York >> City or state. But maybe that's played out now.
>There have always been warships in New York.
we have always been at war with West Jersey
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In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful Robert Carnegie declared:
> Chris wrote:
>> Some of the waterways need dredging every now and then (there's a huge >> dredger in lower NY Harbor as I write this) but it really is a >> spectacular, natural, ice-free harbor.
> Are there pirates?
There was Captain Kidd, but word on the street is he was framed.
> I am still working with this idea of a warship serving in New York > City or state. But maybe that's played out now.
Who said it's serving there? It went there to be commissioned.
But you know, most major American ports have naval stations.
In article <7m2utpF3fnn8...@mid.individual.net>, Sean O'Hara <seanoh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful Robert Carnegie >declared: >> Chris wrote:
>>> Some of the waterways need dredging every now and then (there's a huge >>> dredger in lower NY Harbor as I write this) but it really is a >>> spectacular, natural, ice-free harbor.
>> Are there pirates?
>There was Captain Kidd, but word on the street is he was framed.
I used to work for one of Kidd's descendants. He was *positive* his ancestor had been framed. Of course, he wasn't exactly an impartial observer here.
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> In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful Robert Carnegie > declared:
> > Chris wrote:
> >> Some of the waterways need dredging every now and then (there's a huge > >> dredger in lower NY Harbor as I write this) but it really is a > >> spectacular, natural, ice-free harbor.
> > Are there pirates?
> There was Captain Kidd, but word on the street is he was framed.
> > I am still working with this idea of a warship serving in New York > > City or state. But maybe that's played out now.
> Who said it's serving there? It went there to be commissioned.
> But you know, most major American ports have naval stations.
I suppose. The headline was, "A warship built with steel salvaged from the World Trade Center is put into service in New York."
> On Nov 12, 5:28 pm, Sean O'Hara <seanoh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful Robert Carnegie > > declared:
> > > Chris wrote:
> > >> Some of the waterways need dredging every now and then (there's a huge > > >> dredger in lower NY Harbor as I write this) but it really is a > > >> spectacular, natural, ice-free harbor.
> > > Are there pirates?
> > There was Captain Kidd, but word on the street is he was framed.
> > > I am still working with this idea of a warship serving in New York > > > City or state. But maybe that's played out now.
> > Who said it's serving there? It went there to be commissioned.
> > But you know, most major American ports have naval stations.
> I suppose. The headline was, "A warship built with steel salvaged > from the World Trade Center is put into service in New York."
"Put into service" does not mean "it will serve there". It simply means that's where the ceremony was performed.
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Mike Ash wrote: > In article > <f183570d-5df2-429c-8049-e12d5a867...@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, > Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 12, 5:28 pm, Sean O'Hara <seanoh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful Robert Carnegie > > > declared:
> > > > Chris wrote:
> > > >> Some of the waterways need dredging every now and then (there's a huge > > > >> dredger in lower NY Harbor as I write this) but it really is a > > > >> spectacular, natural, ice-free harbor.
> > > > Are there pirates?
> > > There was Captain Kidd, but word on the street is he was framed.
> > > > I am still working with this idea of a warship serving in New York > > > > City or state. But maybe that's played out now.
> > > Who said it's serving there? It went there to be commissioned.
> > > But you know, most major American ports have naval stations.
> > I suppose. The headline was, "A warship built with steel salvaged > > from the World Trade Center is put into service in New York."
> "Put into service" does not mean "it will serve there". It simply means > that's where the ceremony was performed.
But would that distinction have occurred to you before I brought up this case?
