David DeLaney wrote: > Wayne Throop <thro...@sheol.org> wrote: > >: Granted, you get more services, but they're not services that I want.
> >So if somebody handed you a cellphone free, and paid the service fees, > >you'd turn it down?
> Would it be outgoing calls only? Or would people, and companies, and > telemarketers, be able to call _me_ and bother me, on it? If the latter, > heck yes I'd turn it down. [Effectively I've done so for however many years > so far they've existed...]
> >How about if they offered you a computer, or a metal tool?
> Metal tool? I think I need a screwdriver, but that's about it. Otherwise, > I'd have to find somewhere to put it, and it'd either be "turn it down" or > "take it and then take time out of my day to go donate it to Fred the > superintendent".
> Computer? Laptop? Turn down. Desktop? What OS does it run? What are its specs?
> Yes, I'm picky.
So for the sake of space to put it in, you'd turn down a laptop computer, but not a desktop? I'm curious to see your argument.
Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote: >David DeLaney wrote: >> >How about if they offered you a computer, or a metal tool? >>Computer? Laptop? Turn down. Desktop? What OS does it run? What are its specs?
>>Yes, I'm picky.
>So for the sake of space to put it in, you'd turn down a laptop >computer, but not a desktop? I'm curious to see your argument.
To use a laptop correctly, I'd need to attach a full-size keyboard to it, AND a mouse, and a computer screen large enough to see things on. The last might be mitigatable if there's large-size laptops out there, but not the second. So it'd end up being 3/4 of a desktop ANYWAY.
Plus, you can't stack 18 paperback books on top of a laptop's monitor while it's in use, and leave them there.
I have an Eee netbook, and the touchpad is frustrating and partly-working enough that I'm in the process of seeing if I can find a handheld mouse for it. The keyboard is too small as well, -and- doesn't have all the keys you actually need to move around in files, so it pretends with a special key and some combos, so you have to use two hands for what one hand on a real keyboard does. No thank you for something I'd be using for things OTHER than "this has the list of what I own bookwise on it to use in the bookstore" and "occasional viewing of .pdf game files".
(Plus, as I understand it, laptops are really hard to upgrade the hardware components on, since everything has to be specially shaped and Just The Right Company's Manufacture to fit inside.)
Of course, I could probably accept the laptop and then trade it in towards a new desktop.
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: d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) : To use a laptop correctly, I'd need to attach a full-size keyboard to : it, AND a mouse, and a computer screen large enough to see things on. : The last might be mitigatable if there's large-size laptops out there, : but not the second. So it'd end up being 3/4 of a desktop ANYWAY. : Plus, you can't stack 18 paperback books on top of a laptop's monitor : while it's in use, and leave them there. : : I have an Eee netbook, and the touchpad is frustrating and : partly-working enough that I'm in the process of seeing if I can find : a handheld mouse for it. The keyboard is too small as well, -and- : doesn't have all the keys you actually need to move around in files, : so it pretends with a special key and some combos, so you have to use : two hands for what one hand on a real keyboard does. No thank you for : something I'd be using for things OTHER than "this has the list of : what I own bookwise on it to use in the bookstore" and "occasional : viewing of .pdf game files".
Which has somewhere between little and nothing to the usability of laptop and/or notebook keyboards. Touchpads, sure. Buy an extra mouse. (Though I recently disocvered that the touchpad on my netbook has a strip that acts as a scroll wheel... don't quite know how I didn't notice it before...)
And, if you are piling paperback books on your monitor, it's not a modern lcd monitor. So, in the space you save for the crt, you can build a shallow bookshelf, and still have room in front of it for the laptop and several partridges in several pear trees.
( Hopefully, you aren't piling them on the vents. When we had an elderly cat that slept on the monitor, I ended up building a small platform that elevated the cat above the vents, so they wouldn't be blocked. )
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:55:39 GMT, Wayne Throop <thro...@sheol.org> wrote: > d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) >: To use a laptop correctly, I'd need to attach a full-size keyboard to >: it, AND a mouse, and a computer screen large enough to see things on. >: The last might be mitigatable if there's large-size laptops out there, >: but not the second. So it'd end up being 3/4 of a desktop ANYWAY. >: Plus, you can't stack 18 paperback books on top of a laptop's monitor >: while it's in use, and leave them there. >: >: I have an Eee netbook, and the touchpad is frustrating and >: partly-working enough that I'm in the process of seeing if I can find >: a handheld mouse for it. The keyboard is too small as well, -and- >: doesn't have all the keys you actually need to move around in files, >: so it pretends with a special key and some combos, so you have to use >: two hands for what one hand on a real keyboard does. No thank you for >: something I'd be using for things OTHER than "this has the list of >: what I own bookwise on it to use in the bookstore" and "occasional >: viewing of .pdf game files".
>Which has somewhere between little and nothing to the usability >of laptop and/or notebook keyboards.
??? See above paragraph, starting from "the keyboard is too small as well". The keyboard is too small, and doesn't have space for anything but the left 2/3 of a real computer keyboard. The consequences of this make me frustrated and angry.
>And, if you are piling paperback books on your monitor, it's not >a modern lcd monitor. So, in the space you save for the crt, you can >build a shallow bookshelf,
Nope. The desk is already surrounded by bookshelves, and there's no room for another one behind it because the Dragon magazines are all stacked there.
I honestly think you're thinking everyone's setup is like yours, and everyone's preferences are like yours, and you can't envision someone having different needs, wants, or preferences, because your objections don't make any SENSE otherwise. You sounded _surprised_ that I didn't have a "modern lcd monitor", by which I'm assuming you mean a flat screen.
>( Hopefully, you aren't piling them on the vents. When we had > an elderly cat that slept on the monitor, I ended up building > a small platform that elevated the cat above the vents, so they > wouldn't be blocked. )
No no, the vents are behind them.
Dave -- \/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
>Plus, you can't stack 18 paperback books on top of a laptop's monitor while >it's in use, and leave them there.
Well, you can't do that to an LCD screen on your desk either. And if you're using a CRT, you might be able to balance a couple of books on the front edge, but hardly eighteen. Unless you have a CRT with a flat top, in which case your ownly problem would be the paperbacks trapping the heat and frying the tube. All the CRTs we used to have had a sloping top surface, books would've slid right off them. Our intellectually challenged cat Sebastian used to love to sit atop the CRTs ... they were warm ... but he too would slide off. Hal finally built a plywood platform that would go over the top of the CRT, for him to lie on. You could've piled 18 paperbacks atop that, but as soon as Sebastian showed up he would've nudged them all off.
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In article <1257666...@sheol.org>, Wayne Throop <thro...@sheol.org> wrote: >: d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) >: To use a laptop correctly, I'd need to attach a full-size keyboard to >: it, AND a mouse, and a computer screen large enough to see things on. >: The last might be mitigatable if there's large-size laptops out there, >: but not the second. So it'd end up being 3/4 of a desktop ANYWAY. >: Plus, you can't stack 18 paperback books on top of a laptop's monitor >: while it's in use, and leave them there. >: >: I have an Eee netbook, and the touchpad is frustrating and >: partly-working enough that I'm in the process of seeing if I can find >: a handheld mouse for it. The keyboard is too small as well, -and- >: doesn't have all the keys you actually need to move around in files, >: so it pretends with a special key and some combos, so you have to use >: two hands for what one hand on a real keyboard does. No thank you for >: something I'd be using for things OTHER than "this has the list of >: what I own bookwise on it to use in the bookstore" and "occasional >: viewing of .pdf game files".
>Which has somewhere between little and nothing to the usability >of laptop and/or notebook keyboards. Touchpads, sure. Buy an >extra mouse. (Though I recently disocvered that the touchpad on >my netbook has a strip that acts as a scroll wheel... don't quite >know how I didn't notice it before...)
>And, if you are piling paperback books on your monitor, it's not >a modern lcd monitor. So, in the space you save for the crt, you can >build a shallow bookshelf, and still have room in front of it for the laptop >and several partridges in several pear trees.
>( Hopefully, you aren't piling them on the vents. When we had > an elderly cat that slept on the monitor, I ended up building > a small platform that elevated the cat above the vents, so they > wouldn't be blocked. )
Just as we did; see my other post.
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David DeLaney wrote: > On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:55:39 GMT, Wayne Throop <thro...@sheol.org> wrote: > > d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney)
> >: Plus, you can't stack 18 paperback books on top of a laptop's monitor > >: while it's in use, and leave them there. > >And, if you are piling paperback books on your monitor, it's not a > >modern lcd monitor. So, in the space you save for the crt, you can > >build a shallow bookshelf, > I honestly think you're thinking everyone's setup is like yours, and > everyone's preferences are like yours, and you can't envision someone > having different needs, wants, or preferences, because your > objections don't make any SENSE otherwise. You sounded _surprised_ > that I didn't have a "modern lcd monitor", by which I'm assuming you > mean a flat screen.
No, he's just suggested that you make valid comparisons. Your complaint was that you cannot stack books on a laptop monitor. That's true, but the space saving between a CRT and laptop monitor is more than adequate to stack not only those books, but plenty more.
- W. Citoan -- Whatever you choose, do not seek to carry out easy tasks. -- Adolf Von Baeyer
:: Which has somewhere between little and nothing to the usability of :: laptop and/or notebook keyboards.
: d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) : ??? See above paragraph, starting from "the keyboard is too small as : well". The keyboard is too small, and doesn't have space for anything : but the left 2/3 of a real computer keyboard. The consequences of : this make me frustrated and angry.
See the part above where you say "eee netbook"? Problems with a netbook keyboard has somewhere between little and nothing to do with whether a laptop or notebook would be a problem. Which of course doesn't mean you wouldn't also dislike notebook keyboards. Just that disliking a netbook keyboard is a remarkably poor reason to conclude that you would. And so I remark upon it.
Now mind you, you also may be able to conclude that the keys missing or moved on a notebook would also annoy you. Just not based on which keys are missing or shifted on a netbook, since these are often different.
: You sounded _surprised_ that I didn't have a "modern lcd monitor",
No, just being explicit about my assumptions. Given you set books on it, I assumed it's a crt, and said so. As a setup for why "no room to put books on top of the monitor" is a silly reason not to want a laptop. There are plenty of reasons not to want a laptop, so it's not really necessary to make up silly ones.
Another assumption I made was that when you said you had a netbook, that you had a netbook and knew the difference between a netbook and a notebook. I didn't make that assumption explicit, but hypothetically if I had, then hypothetically you shouldn't have concluded that I was surprised that you didn't have something other than a netbook, nor surprised that you knew the difference.
In fact a better conclusion would be that I'd be surprised to learn you did *not* know the difference, or *did* have a post-crt monitor.
In article <1257666...@sheol.org>, thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote:
> : d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) > : To use a laptop correctly, I'd need to attach a full-size keyboard to > : it, AND a mouse, and a computer screen large enough to see things on. > : The last might be mitigatable if there's large-size laptops out there, > : but not the second. So it'd end up being 3/4 of a desktop ANYWAY. > : Plus, you can't stack 18 paperback books on top of a laptop's monitor > : while it's in use, and leave them there.
I have a wireless keyboard(much easier on wrists) and a wireless mouse for my laptop. Behind it I have a stack of letter trays with various things stashed there, and a set of bookshelves above the desk for books and CDs. I DETEST that stupid touchpad! (When I take my laptop traveling, I do use its keyboard, but I still take along my wireless mouse. )My old computer is still here, too, but it has too slanting a top to put books on. There are things I use it for.
> Which has somewhere between little and nothing to the usability > of laptop and/or notebook keyboards. Touchpads, sure. Buy an > extra mouse. (Though I recently disocvered that the touchpad on > my netbook has a strip that acts as a scroll wheel... don't quite > know how I didn't notice it before...)
I know that and still hate it!
> ( Hopefully, you aren't piling them on the vents. When we had > an elderly cat that slept on the monitor, I ended up building > a small platform that elevated the cat above the vents, so they > wouldn't be blocked. )
Good plan. A friend has a cat who likes to nap on the laptop 8-)
-- Erilar, biblioholic
bib-li-o-hol-ism [<Gr biblion] n. [BIBLIO + HOLISM] books, of books: habitual longing to purchase, read, store, admire, and consume books in excess.
W. Citoan <wcit...@NOSPAM-yahoo.com> wrote: >David DeLaney wrote: >>Wayne Throop <thro...@sheol.org> wrote: >> > d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) >> >: Plus, you can't stack 18 paperback books on top of a laptop's monitor >> >: while it's in use, and leave them there.
>> >And, if you are piling paperback books on your monitor, it's not a >> >modern lcd monitor. So, in the space you save for the crt, you can >> >build a shallow bookshelf,
>> I honestly think you're thinking everyone's setup is like yours, and >> everyone's preferences are like yours, and you can't envision someone >> having different needs, wants, or preferences, because your >> objections don't make any SENSE otherwise. You sounded _surprised_ >> that I didn't have a "modern lcd monitor", by which I'm assuming you >> mean a flat screen.
>No, he's just suggested that you make valid comparisons. Your complaint >was that you cannot stack books on a laptop monitor. That's true, but >the space saving between a CRT and laptop monitor is more than adequate >to stack not only those books, but plenty more.
How, when I'd have to separate the keyboard from the monitor just to get it to fit onto my computer-table-with-tray the same way?
Or else I could stick the laptop up on the table proper, where the monitor sits now, and keep the tray always tucked in because it wasn't needed ... and still have lost the entire space where the laptop was now sitting, which would be the space where the monitor sits currently.
I suppose I could stack the books on the table, then balance the laptop on TOP of them - but I hear that that tends to interfere with the heated-air flow out of the laptop, AND would mean I'd have to find a much higher chair to sit on. Or I could stack the books in FRONT of the laptop, on the tray, but then I'd have to reach up and over them to type.
See, I can -see- the space I'm using, where things sit now, and I know what other tables and flat spaces I have available in my apartment (hint: no other tables at ALL). He can't see this, so may well be thinking there's some arrangement involved that's not the case. The configuration I have available does not allow for the use of a laptop to actually save any space, even -without- a full-sized keyboard and an actual mouse attached to it to make it usable.
Dave -- \/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:16:23 GMT, Wayne Throop <thro...@sheol.org> wrote: >:: Which has somewhere between little and nothing to the usability of >:: laptop and/or notebook keyboards.
>: d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) >: ??? See above paragraph, starting from "the keyboard is too small as >: well". The keyboard is too small, and doesn't have space for anything >: but the left 2/3 of a real computer keyboard. The consequences of >: this make me frustrated and angry.
>See the part above where you say "eee netbook"? >Problems with a netbook keyboard has somewhere between little and nothing >to do with whether a laptop or notebook would be a problem.
I've _seen_ laptop and notebook keyboards. I'm not impressed. None of them have a full-size keyboard. None of them, as far as I'm aware, come with an actual mouse attached; they use some sort of touchpad, or a little clitmouse inside the keyboard, or possibly some ball-in-socket thingy on one side. And none of them come with a computer-screen-size screen; all are at least somewhat smaller, to the tune of 25% or more. [My netbook's screen is maybe half the size of a real computer screen, at most. I've seen & played with an iPhone and it was ridiculously small.]
Dave -- \/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
On 2009-11-08 14:21:36 -0800, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) said:
> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:16:23 GMT, Wayne Throop <thro...@sheol.org> wrote: > I've _seen_ laptop and notebook keyboards. .... And > none of them come with a computer-screen-size screen; all are at least > somewhat smaller, to the tune of 25% or more.
Really? How big is "computer-screen-size"? My wife has the 17-inch MacBook Pro, and I've had numerous "real computers" that had smaller screens than that.
Her MacBook, in fact, is large enough that I prefer a smaller one for travel; it's just too damn big.
: d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) : I've _seen_ laptop and notebook keyboards. I'm not impressed. None : of them have a full-size keyboard. None of them, as far as I'm aware, : come with an actual mouse attached; they use some sort of touchpad, or : a little clitmouse inside the keyboard, or possibly some : ball-in-socket thingy on one side. And none of them come with a : computer-screen-size screen; all are at least somewhat smaller, to the : tune of 25% or more.
How large is your current crt monitor? Mine (the last ones I had) were 20-in boatanchors. So, note
Of course, none of that means you wouldn't find more things to complain about, and legitimately so; for example, the keyboard pacement is often less flexible. Or you might have larger crt now. Nevertheless, technically, most of your complaints are resolvable. The dell above has (or technically, had) a detachable, full-sized keyboard. And any latop can use a normal mouse (indeed, I was just using my netbook with one the other day).
And at the worst, you can do what I did when one of my desktop systems croaked; I sat the netbook down in its place, plugged the 1680x1050 resolution display and keyboard, etc, into it, took the disk out of the croaked box and used an ide/usb adapter to plug *it* in, and was back up and in business in short order while I waited for the delivery of the replacement box.
None of which means you *should* use a laptop. Merely that most of your objections aren't quite as valid as you might like to think. Certainly the "I can't set books on it" is still bogus, since any lcd screen, laptop or not, is going to take only the first couple of inches of the space your monitor takes up, and the rest can be used to set as many books as you like. You can even raise them above the top of the thinner display by slipping a few phone books underneath them.
David DeLaney <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote: > W. Citoan <wcit...@NOSPAM-yahoo.com> wrote: > >No, he's just suggested that you make valid comparisons. Your > >complaint was that you cannot stack books on a laptop monitor. > >That's true, but the space saving between a CRT and laptop > >monitor is more than adequate to stack not only those books, but > >plenty more. > How, when I'd have to separate the keyboard from the monitor just > to get it to fit onto my computer-table-with-tray the same way?
You use the comfy armchair! Typing is only a little bit more difficult.
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In article <hd7s2c$l2...@solani.org>, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
> Really? How big is "computer-screen-size"? My wife has the 17-inch > MacBook Pro, and I've had numerous "real computers" that had smaller > screens than that.
Mine is the 15-inch and I find the screen big enough. I've had a smaller one on a past desk-top computer.
> Her MacBook, in fact, is large enough that I prefer a smaller one for > travel; it's just too damn big.
My daughter has a smaller(non-Mac) because it goes along with her a lot. Mine only travels between locations where I have a desk where it can stay put for a while and even then only when I'm staying on the ground.
-- Erilar, biblioholic
bib-li-o-hol-ism [<Gr biblion] n. [BIBLIO + HOLISM] books, of books: habitual longing to purchase, read, store, admire, and consume books in excess.
> Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote: > >David DeLaney wrote: > >> >How about if they offered you a computer, or a metal tool? > >>Computer? Laptop? Turn down. Desktop? What OS does it run? What are its specs?
> >>Yes, I'm picky.
> >So for the sake of space to put it in, you'd turn down a laptop > >computer, but not a desktop? I'm curious to see your argument.
> To use a laptop correctly, I'd need to attach a full-size keyboard to it, AND > a mouse, and a computer screen large enough to see things on. The last might > be mitigatable if there's large-size laptops out there, but not the second. > So it'd end up being 3/4 of a desktop ANYWAY.
> Plus, you can't stack 18 paperback books on top of a laptop's monitor while > it's in use, and leave them there.
> I have an Eee netbook, and the touchpad is frustrating and partly-working > enough
The Eee keyboard (assuming you have the 9xx series, I haven't tried others) is totally atrocious. This has nothing to with the usability of normal size laptop keyboards.
> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:16:23 GMT, Wayne Throop <thro...@sheol.org> wrote: > >:: Which has somewhere between little and nothing to the usability of > >:: laptop and/or notebook keyboards.
> >: d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) > >: ??? See above paragraph, starting from "the keyboard is too small as > >: well". The keyboard is too small, and doesn't have space for anything > >: but the left 2/3 of a real computer keyboard. The consequences of > >: this make me frustrated and angry.
> >See the part above where you say "eee netbook"? > >Problems with a netbook keyboard has somewhere between little and nothing > >to do with whether a laptop or notebook would be a problem.
> I've _seen_ laptop and notebook keyboards. I'm not impressed. None of them > have a full-size keyboard. None of them, as far as I'm aware, come with an > actual mouse attached; they use some sort of touchpad, or a little clitmouse > inside the keyboard, or possibly some ball-in-socket thingy on one side.
Touchpads take some getting used to, but once you do, they're ok. When I got my first laptop, I went out and purchased a mouse for it immediately, thinking I could not get along without one. I think I used it maybe 3 times, tops... After that I found that using the touchpad was quicker and less distracting.
: erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> : Mine is the 15-inch and I find the screen big enough. I've had a : smaller one on a past desk-top computer.
Unfortunately for me, I am prone to the "use grows to consume any resource" wrt screen area. So on my home system, I have two 20-in displays of 1680x1050 resolution, and anything less seems cramped to me now. On the other hand, I can easily get by using a 12-in, or even a 10-in display for things like... well, typing this. But it'll start feeling cramped if I end up wanting to refer to a web page while reading news, or similar.
Of course, way back when, I had only as much display as would now fit in about 4 or 5 inches worth of the corner of one of the two displays I have now, and it felt perfectly adequate.
> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:16:23 GMT, Wayne Throop <thro...@sheol.org> wrote: > >:: Which has somewhere between little and nothing to the usability of > >:: laptop and/or notebook keyboards.
> >: d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) > >: ??? See above paragraph, starting from "the keyboard is too small as > >: well". The keyboard is too small, and doesn't have space for anything > >: but the left 2/3 of a real computer keyboard. The consequences of > >: this make me frustrated and angry.
> >See the part above where you say "eee netbook"? > >Problems with a netbook keyboard has somewhere between little and nothing > >to do with whether a laptop or notebook would be a problem.
> I've _seen_ laptop and notebook keyboards. I'm not impressed. None of them > have a full-size keyboard. None of them, as far as I'm aware, come with an > actual mouse attached; they use some sort of touchpad, or a little clitmouse > inside the keyboard, or possibly some ball-in-socket thingy on one side. And > none of them come with a computer-screen-size screen; all are at least > somewhat smaller, to the tune of 25% or more. [My netbook's screen is maybe > half the size of a real computer screen, at most. I've seen & played with an > iPhone and it was ridiculously small.]
By now you should be using voice control; it comes as standard with Windows Vista - I don't know about Seven. And I believe someone made a mouse that physically fits in one of the slot-in card compartments that portable PCs often have, such as PCMCIA. Anyway, you can probably now use the webcam, also. Google "webcam mouse" - ah yes. Although some of that sounds a little bit like fakeware.
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> Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote: >> David DeLaney wrote: >>>> How about if they offered you a computer, or a metal tool? >>> Computer? Laptop? Turn down. Desktop? What OS does it run? What are its specs?
>>> Yes, I'm picky. >> So for the sake of space to put it in, you'd turn down a laptop >> computer, but not a desktop? I'm curious to see your argument.
> To use a laptop correctly, I'd need to attach a full-size keyboard to it, AND > a mouse, and a computer screen large enough to see things on.
My laptop has a larger screen than my desktop -- and I sit with it closer to my face, increasing its relative size in my field of vision.
The keyboard is comparable in size to the one I use on my desktop, except the laptop doesn't have a number pad.
> The last might > be mitigatable if there's large-size laptops out there, but not the second.
Who needs a mouse for anything other than audio or photo editing? Use Launchy and keyboard shortcuts for everything else.
> I have an Eee netbook, and the touchpad is frustrating and partly-working > enough that I'm in the process of seeing if I can find a handheld mouse for > it. The keyboard is too small as well, -and- doesn't have all the keys you > actually need to move around in files, so it pretends with a special key and > some combos, so you have to use two hands for what one hand on a real keyboard > does.
That's because it's a *netbook*. The whole point of netbooks is that they're super-small and super-cheap, and you can use them anywhere you can sit down. They're meant to be portable, not to replace desktops. If you need more than that, get a full-sized notebook. But don't generalize from a dinky little Eee to all laptops.
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> How, when I'd have to separate the keyboard from the monitor just to get it to > fit onto my computer-table-with-tray the same way?
> Or else I could stick the laptop up on the table proper, where the monitor > sits now, and keep the tray always tucked in because it wasn't needed ... > and still have lost the entire space where the laptop was now sitting, which > would be the space where the monitor sits currently.
In article <7lr4crF3f087...@mid.individual.net>, Sean O'Hara <seanoh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful David DeLaney >declared:
>> How, when I'd have to separate the keyboard from the monitor just to get it to >> fit onto my computer-table-with-tray the same way?
>> Or else I could stick the laptop up on the table proper, where the monitor >> sits now, and keep the tray always tucked in because it wasn't needed ... >> and still have lost the entire space where the laptop was now sitting, which >> would be the space where the monitor sits currently.
>Methinks you're missing the point of a *lap*top.
Every time I have a laptop on my lap, I can't help but caculate how many joules could be liberated onto my crotch in the event of a catastrophic battery failure.
In article <7lr4crF3f087...@mid.individual.net>, Sean O'Hara <seanoh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful David DeLaney >declared:
>> How, when I'd have to separate the keyboard from the monitor just to get it to >> fit onto my computer-table-with-tray the same way?
>> Or else I could stick the laptop up on the table proper, where the monitor >> sits now, and keep the tray always tucked in because it wasn't needed ... >> and still have lost the entire space where the laptop was now sitting, which >> would be the space where the monitor sits currently.
>Methinks you're missing the point of a *lap*top.
Except the last time I had a laptop -- it was an IBM ThinkPad, and a very nice one too -- I were warned *not* to put it on my lap because it would overheat. So I got a tray-table to put it on.
-- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at hotmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the hotmail edress. Kithrup is getting too damn much spam, even with the sysop's filters.
>In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful David DeLaney >declared: >> Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote: >>> David DeLaney wrote: >>>>> How about if they offered you a computer, or a metal tool? >>>> Computer? Laptop? Turn down. Desktop? What OS does it run? What are >its specs?
>>>> Yes, I'm picky. >>> So for the sake of space to put it in, you'd turn down a laptop >>> computer, but not a desktop? I'm curious to see your argument.
>> To use a laptop correctly, I'd need to attach a full-size keyboard to it, AND >> a mouse, and a computer screen large enough to see things on.
>My laptop has a larger screen than my desktop -- and I sit with it >closer to my face, increasing its relative size in my field of vision.
>The keyboard is comparable in size to the one I use on my desktop, >except the laptop doesn't have a number pad.
>> The last might >> be mitigatable if there's large-size laptops out there, but not the second.
>Who needs a mouse for anything other than audio or photo editing? >Use Launchy and keyboard shortcuts for everything else.
I don't suppose that was around in the early 1990s, was it? That was when I was reluctantly working in a Mac because that was what they had in the Cozzlab, and I called Apple to ask if there was a way that I could hotkey everything so I needn't use the mouse. Some confused cross-talk ensued, and finally I said, "No, you don't understand. I want to fix it so I never have to use the mouse AT ALL." Apple employee, genuinely puzzled: "Why would anyone want never to use the mouse?" End of conversation.
[Because it takes my hand off the keyboard, you silly git.]
-- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at hotmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the hotmail edress. Kithrup is getting too damn much spam, even with the sysop's filters.
In article <1257783...@sheol.org>, thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote:
> : erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> > : Mine is the 15-inch and I find the screen big enough. I've had a > : smaller one on a past desk-top computer.
> Unfortunately for me, I am prone to the "use grows to consume any > resource" wrt screen area. So on my home system, I have two 20-in > displays of 1680x1050 resolution, and anything less seems cramped to > me now. On the other hand, I can easily get by using a 12-in, or even > a 10-in display for things like... well, typing this. But it'll start > feeling cramped if I end up wanting to refer to a web page while reading > news, or similar.
I recently upgraded from one 23" screen to two. I'm not convinced it was a good idea, but it's now far too late to go back.
-- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon
