On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:56:36 +0000 (UTC), Jesper Lauridsen
<rorsc...@sorrystofanet.dk> wrote: >On 2009-11-05, Sean O'Hara <seanoh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful netcat declared:
>>> He also says, "My primary interest is in telling stories that are fun to >>> read and make people think.
>> What a liar.
>He said it was his interest - not that he had actually done it.
"Two out of three ain't bad." The story he tells in the quote made me think. It made me think that they will be serving sno-cones at the ice hockey rink in hell on the day I buy a book by that asshole.
-- Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]
>> On 5 Nov, 14:58, Michael Grosberg <grosberg.mich...@gmail.com> >> wrote:
>>> He DOES write genre fantasy which IS >>> all about magic and swordfighting and one-dimensional >>> characters.
>> Yes, but they're _important_ one-dimensional characters. Just >> like the people who read Ayn Rand without laughing.
>Heh. As if there's anyone who can do that who hasn't had a steel rod >thrust through their brains.
Unfortunately, you only need to think about the number of Rand-olaters who post to Usenet to realize that there are a lot of them who only *should* have had a steel rod thrust through their brains.
-- Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]
>>> On 5 Nov, 14:58, Michael Grosberg <grosberg.mich...@gmail.com> >>> wrote:
>>>> He DOES write genre fantasy which IS >>>> all about magic and swordfighting and one-dimensional >>>> characters.
>>> Yes, but they're _important_ one-dimensional characters. >>> Just like the people who read Ayn Rand without laughing.
>>Heh. As if there's anyone who can do that who hasn't had a steel >>rod thrust through their brains.
> Unfortunately, you only need to think about the number of > Rand-olaters who post to Usenet to realize that there are a lot > of them who only *should* have had a steel rod thrust through > their brains.
It is certainly plausible that they would wish to be like Their Hero, and severe (but not *quite* fatal) brain damage seems the most efficient path.
-- Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:56:36 +0000 (UTC), Jesper Lauridsen
> <rorsc...@sorrystofanet.dk> wrote: > >On 2009-11-05, Sean O'Hara <seanoh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful netcat declared:
> >>> He also says, "My primary interest is in telling stories that are fun to > >>> read and make people think.
> >> What a liar.
> >He said it was his interest - not that he had actually done it.
> "Two out of three ain't bad." The story he tells in the quote > made me think. It made me think that they will be serving > sno-cones at the ice hockey rink in hell on the day I buy a book > by that asshole.
Somewhere in SF, Hell actually does freeze over. Right?
art...@yahoo.com <art...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Nov 6, 5:11 pm, Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> wrote: >> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:56:36 +0000 (UTC), Jesper Lauridsen
>> <rorsc...@sorrystofanet.dk> wrote: >> >On 2009-11-05, Sean O'Hara <seanoh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful netcat declared:
>> >>> He also says, "My primary interest is in telling stories that are fun to >> >>> read and make people think.
>> >> What a liar.
>> >He said it was his interest - not that he had actually done it.
>> "Two out of three ain't bad." The story he tells in the quote >> made me think. It made me think that they will be serving >> sno-cones at the ice hockey rink in hell on the day I buy a book >> by that asshole.
>Somewhere in SF, Hell actually does freeze over. Right?
Yes. In the bottommost circle of Hell, the water of its various rivers collect in a huge pond and are frozen over by wind-chill from the continuous beating of Lucifer's wings. Traitors are sent there.
(And yes, Dante's _Commedia_ can be described as SF.)
-- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at hotmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the hotmail edress. Kithrup is getting too damn much spam, even with the sysop's filters.
>In article <81ce761e-b8e0-4b54-8d61-06a3bc2bc...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, >art...@yahoo.com <art...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>On Nov 6, 5:11 pm, Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> wrote: >>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:56:36 +0000 (UTC), Jesper Lauridsen
>>> <rorsc...@sorrystofanet.dk> wrote: >>> >On 2009-11-05, Sean O'Hara <seanoh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful netcat declared:
>>> >>> He also says, "My primary interest is in telling stories that are fun to >>> >>> read and make people think.
>>> >> What a liar.
>>> >He said it was his interest - not that he had actually done it.
>>> "Two out of three ain't bad." The story he tells in the quote >>> made me think. It made me think that they will be serving >>> sno-cones at the ice hockey rink in hell on the day I buy a book >>> by that asshole.
>>Somewhere in SF, Hell actually does freeze over. Right?
>Yes. In the bottommost circle of Hell, the water of its various >rivers collect in a huge pond and are frozen over by wind-chill >from the continuous beating of Lucifer's wings. Traitors are >sent there.
>(And yes, Dante's _Commedia_ can be described as SF.)
Yeah, but it freezes over in several other stories, as well, including one I wrote (and which I still can't believe I sold) called "When Hell Freezes Over."
> In article <4df7ab7f-0b31-4b68-845d-5310da7f3003 > @b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, grosberg.mich...@gmail.com says...
> > On Nov 4, 7:18 pm, Remus Shepherd <re...@panix.com> wrote: > > > James Nicoll <jdnic...@panix.com> wrote: > > > > Terry Goodkind does not write fantasy: > > > >http://cgi1.usatoday.com/mchat/20030805003/tscript.htm > > > > "First of all, I don't write fantasy. I write stories that have > > > > important human themes. They have elements of romance, history, > > > > adventure, mystery and philosophy. Most fantasy is one-dimensional. > > > > It's either about magic or a world-building. I don't do either."
> > > I want to smack every writer who declaims their genre.
> > > I hope an agent told him to say that. I hope he doesn't actually > > > believe it.
> > You know, I can sort of accept this from the Margaret Atwoods of this > > world, who aim for a mainstream readership. I don't care if a writer > > fibs here and there to attract readers who would otherwise shun his > > books. But honestly, what does Terry Goodkind have to offer to the > > mainstream?
> He also says, "My primary interest is in telling stories that are fun to > read and make people think. That puts my books in a genre all their > own."
> rgds, > netcat
My best friend listened to the Sword of Truth series on audiobook. He says it was a great book to fall asleep to; you could miss as many minutes (even hours) as you want, and still come right back into the narrative, having lost nothing of importance in the mean time. It was about 50% recaps and characters telling other characters things the reader already knows, anyway.
On Nov 5, 5:54 pm, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
> The Stabbing Tool of Factuality series (which was published > by Tor) is overtly fantasy. Goodkind's latest novel, The Law of Nines, > is a thriller and is from G.P. Putnam's Sons/Penguin Books [1]. While > it is true his Tor books and his Penguin books are connected, he may > feel it is useful to distinguish the two series.
I couldn't leave this ungoogled, and so, I present to you this excerpt from the Amazon product description of _The Law of Nines_:
...Jax, who turns out to be from an alternate reality where evildoers are attempting to seize control of her civilization, has traveled to Nebraska to seek Alex's help in saving her people. In Jax's world, magic takes the place of technology...
<art...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Nov 6, 5:11 pm, Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> wrote: > > "Two out of three ain't bad." The story he tells in the quote > > made me think. It made me think that they will be serving > > sno-cones at the ice hockey rink in hell on the day I buy a book > > by that asshole. > Somewhere in SF, Hell actually does freeze over. Right?
Somewhere in SF, an army type is leading a troop on a forced march. He overhears conversation with various "Our hell is..." contributions. James White?
Joyce.
-- "The spear in the Other's heart is in your own: you are he." - Surak
> "First of all, I don't write fantasy. I write stories that have > important human themes. They have elements of romance, history, > adventure, mystery and philosophy. Most fantasy is one-dimensional. > It's either about magic or a world-building. I don't do either." > --http://www.livejournal.com/users/james_nicollhttp://www.cafepress.com... all your "The problem with > defending the English language [...]" T-shirt, cup and tote-bag needs)
Terry Goodkind is nothing more than the writer's version of Steven Segal, right down to the middle-aged man ponytail. Has he claimed to work black ops for the CIA yet?
<pen...@ukgateway.invalid> wrote: ><art...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Nov 6, 5:11 pm, Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> wrote:
>> > "Two out of three ain't bad." The story he tells in the quote >> > made me think. It made me think that they will be serving >> > sno-cones at the ice hockey rink in hell on the day I buy a book >> > by that asshole.
>> Somewhere in SF, Hell actually does freeze over. Right?
>Somewhere in SF, an army type is leading a troop on a forced march. >He overhears conversation with various "Our hell is..." >contributions. James White?
I think that might be the Weber/Ringo series March Upcountry etc. -- "Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by." Stuart Adamson 1958-2001
In article <slrnhf6ch8.adu....@gatekeeper.vic.com>, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com says...
> Michael Grosberg <grosberg.mich...@gmail.com> wrote: > >But honestly, what does Terry Goodkind have to offer to the > >mainstream? As far as I know (never read his work but many friends did > >so I have a clear impression), He DOES write genre fantasy which IS > >all about magic and swordfighting and one-dimensional characters. At > >least in the Sword of Truth series, which, by Jove, has an implement > >of war in its name, a sure sign of genre if ever there was one.
> More precisely, he WOULD write genre fantasy, except he's slathered it in > gore and fetishism and stuck Objectivism all over it like feathers. Which still > doesn't make it mainstream anything, but does make it rather difficult to read. > Dave
Difficult in the sense of "it's difficult to eat cold dog vomit"?
The gore and fetishism in "Wizard's First..." had me scratching my head yet thinking 'ok, I'll let this pass as setting the stage for the character's development - let's see where he runs with this'. Well I found out soon enough - more gore and fetishism. Ah, ok, {retch} thanks but no thanks.
Mad Hamish <newsunspammel...@iinet.unspamme.net.au> wrote: > Joyce Haslam <pen...@ukgateway.invalid> wrote: > ><art...@yahoo.com> wrote: Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> > > wrote: > >> > "Two out of three ain't bad." The story he tells in the > >> > quote made me think. It made me think that they will be > >> > serving sno-cones at the ice hockey rink in hell on the day > >> > I buy a book by that asshole. > >> Somewhere in SF, Hell actually does freeze over. Right? > >Somewhere in SF, an army type is leading a troop on a forced > >march. He overhears conversation with various "Our hell is..." > >contributions. James White? > I think that might be the Weber/Ringo series March Upcountry etc.
The series might well have such an episode, but I haven't read the books.
Joyce.
-- "The spear in the Other's heart is in your own: you are he." - Surak
In article <50b679d46dpen...@ukgateway.invalid>, Joyce Haslam <pen...@ukgateway.invalid> said:
> Somewhere in SF, an army type is leading a troop on a forced > march. He overhears conversation with various "Our hell is..." > contributions. James White?
Eddie: Well sure it was a war. And anybody that showed up was gonna join Lem Lee in the Hell of Being Cut to Pieces. Jack Burton: Hell of being what? Eddie: Chinese have a lot of Hells.
and:
Jack Burton: [pointing to Chinese writing on elevator] What does that say? Wang Chi: Hell of Boiling Oil. Jack Burton: You're kidding. Wang Chi: Yeah, I am. It says Keep Out.
Oddly, I can't find the actual quote about the Hell of Upside-Down Sinners anywhere.
In article <fa61ef5a-f9e2-4ba6-8326-c91e7f386...@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>, Michael Grosberg <grosberg.mich...@gmail.com> said:
> I couldn't leave this ungoogled, and so, I present to you this excerpt > from the Amazon product description of _The Law of Nines_:
> ...Jax, who turns out to be from an alternate reality where evildoers > are attempting to seize control of her civilization, has traveled to > Nebraska to seek Alex's help in saving her people. In Jax's world, > ^^^^^^^^ > magic takes the place of technology...
William December Starr wrote: > In article <hd2d7i$6l...@news.eternal-september.org>, > "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> said:
>> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: >>> Matt Hughes <archon...@googlemail.com> wrote in
>>>> Yes, but they're _important_ one-dimensional characters. Just >>>> like the people who read Ayn Rand without laughing. >>> Heh. As if there's anyone who can do that who hasn't had a steel >>> rod thrust through their brains. >> I have not had a steel rod thrust through my brains, and I read >> Ayn Rand without laughing.
> There's a rule exception for encountering Rand in one's teenage > years.
I'm not sure when it was; might have been in my early 20s.
