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Re: Argument from authority [was: When is Hard SF not Hard SF?

d...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com (David Friedman) — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:30:29 UT

In article <1ird4ga.15k4l0h1eeman4N%zebo. ..@gmail.com>,
The last time this question came up I provided a link to a piece that
cited a variety of published figures showing a significant positive
correlation.
Or in other words, you appear to regard as obviously false a proposition
that appears to be true.

Re: Argument from authority [was: When is Hard SF not Hard SF?

d...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com (David Friedman) — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:29:12 UT

In article <1irguh6.11fsafyz4d5thN%zebo.. .@gmail.com>,
Independent of whether the asserted facts were true?
Or do you have some theoretical reason to be confident that average
level of ability in all fields is the same for men and women?

Re: Argument from authority [was: When is Hard SF not Hard SF?

jam...@echeque.com (James A. Donald) — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:12:28 UT

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:26:49 +0000, Helen Hall
Facial symmetry is a good indication of freedom from
parasites.
All the features that men find attractive are strongly
correlated with fertility and health - with the notable
exception that men prefer women who are a lot fatter
than is healthy, though a lot slimmer than is common in

Re: Argument from authority [was: When is Hard SF not Hard SF?

jam...@echeque.com (James A. Donald) — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:06:18 UT

On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:09:54 -0800, David Friedman
Kermyt G. Anderson's metastudy indicates very large
variations in the level of misidentified paternity, from
0.4% to 11% among different linguistic, cultural, and
racial groups, an extraordinary level of variation.
He also found that men were pretty good at assessing the

Re: Argument from authority [was: When is Hard SF not Hard SF?

zebo...@gmail.com (Zeborah) — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:00:30 UT

If I or my organisation paid good money for me to attend a boring
keynote I'd be outraged too.
Zeborah

Re: Argument from authority [was: When is Hard SF not Hard SF?

zebo...@gmail.com (Zeborah) — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:00:29 UT

Where is social support identical?
I would be. Well, 'indignant' isn't quite the word in either case, but
my feelings would be pretty much the same in both cases.
Zeborah

Re: Argument from authority [was: When is Hard SF not Hard SF?

zebo...@gmail.com (Zeborah) — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:00:27 UT

[...]
<splork> My dear sir, I really *must* beg leave respectfully to
decline.
The Pacific Islands, anyway; I'm not enough of a rugby fan to know more
specific. But even so, it's really something of a skewed sample to draw
conclusions from; rather like, a few centuries back, looking at a bunch
of successful moneylenders and deciding that Jews are naturally stingy.

Re: Argument from authority [was: When is Hard SF not Hard SF?

jam...@echeque.com (James A. Donald) — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:48:58 UT

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:32:30 -0800, David Friedman
I know of a number of women pursuing what would, in the ancestral
environment, be this strategy. Indeed, attempts to apply this
strategy are disturbingly frequent.

Re: Argument from authority [was: When is Hard SF not Hard SF?

jam...@echeque.com (James A. Donald) — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:40:59 UT

Gerry Quinn:
Zeborah
Aqua's reaction was outrage, not boredom.

Re: Argument from authority [was: When is Hard SF not Hard SF?

ger...@indigo.ie (Gerry Quinn) — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:59:56 UT

In article <1ire1ie.xpuufswxkdckN%
green_kni...@greenknight.org.u k.invalid>,
green_kni...@greenknight.org.u k.invalid says...
Another point occurs to me. Suppose it happened to be the case - It is
hardly biologicaly *impossible* after all, however insanely unlikely
some people think it is - that women, on average, are less likely to

Re: Argument from authority [was: When is Hard SF not Hard SF?

b.sc...@csuohio.edu (Brian M. Scott) — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:07:01 UT

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:30:22 +0000, Helen Hall
<use...@baradel.demon.co.uk> wrote in
<news:tU5h$2EeQrNJFwDF@baradel.demon.co.uk> in
rec.arts.sf.misc:
When I first read her comment, I immediately thought of the
delightful old definition of a gentleman -- someone who
never accidentally insults someone else.

Re: Argument from authority [was: When is Hard SF not Hard SF?

d...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com (David Friedman) — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:29:56 UT

In article
<1ire1ie.xpuufswxkdckN%green_k ni...@greenknight.org.uk.inval id>,
That's closer. But given that the same argument also implies fewer very
stupid women than men, I don't think "more stupid" is even close to an
accurate description.
One doesn't generally describe someone with average intelligence as

Re: Argument from authority [was: When is Hard SF not Hard SF?

sou...@netcom.com (David Harmon) — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:09:11 UT

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:21:24 -0800 in rec.arts.sf.misc, David Friedman
<d...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.co m> wrote,
From my reading of the paper, g is a statistical artifact -- in exactly
the same sense that the arithmetic mean is a statistical artifact.
You can always compute one from a set of the right kind of data.

Re: Argument from authority [was: When is Hard SF not Hard SF?

green_kni...@greenknight.org.uk.invalid (Catja Pafort) — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:00:03 UT

You are argueing that there are fewer highly intelligent women than men,
which is one defition of 'more stupid.'
Catja

Re: Argument from authority [was: When is Hard SF not Hard SF?

d...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com (David Friedman) — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:37:51 UT

In article <tU5h$2EeQrNJF...@baradel.demo n.co.uk>,
Thank you for another demonstration of people not bothering to read the
arguments they are attacking. Neither Larry Summers nor I is arguing
that women are more stupid than men, as you could easily discover if you
either read his speech or my posts.