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Paul Robichaux  
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 More options Oct 23 1991, 7:58 pm
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
From: robic...@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul Robichaux)
Date: 22 Oct 91 18:42:45 GMT
Local: Wed, Oct 23 1991 4:42 am
Subject: Re: Quote attribution
In <58...@apple.Apple.COM> fl...@apple.com (Charles Flaig) writes:

>Who originally came up with the quote "Any sufficiently advanced technology
>is indistinguishable from magic"?  I would like to find out the author's name,
>the book title, year it was printed, and any correction to the quote if I got
>it wrong.  I suspect Niven, Clark, or Asimov, but haven't been able to track
>it down....

Close... it was indded Arthur C. Clarke.

-Paul

>Thanks in advance,
>--Charles
>  fl...@apple.com

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Charles Flaig  
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 More options Oct 23 1991, 9:53 pm
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From: fl...@apple.com (Charles Flaig)
Date: 22 Oct 91 18:12:58 GMT
Local: Wed, Oct 23 1991 4:12 am
Subject: Quote attribution
Got a question for all you sf buffs out there, and this seems like the place
to post it.

Who originally came up with the quote "Any sufficiently advanced technology
is indistinguishable from magic"?  I would like to find out the author's name,
the book title, year it was printed, and any correction to the quote if I got
it wrong.  I suspect Niven, Clark, or Asimov, but haven't been able to track
it down....

Thanks in advance,

--Charles
  fl...@apple.com


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Russ Campbell  
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 More options Oct 23 1991, 10:34 pm
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From: rca...@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell)
Date: 22 Oct 91 18:58:29 GMT
Local: Wed, Oct 23 1991 4:58 am
Subject: Re: Quote attribution

In article <58...@apple.Apple.COM>, fl...@apple.com (Charles Flaig) writes:
> Got a question for all you sf buffs out there, and this seems like the place
> to post it.

> Who originally came up with the quote "Any sufficiently advanced technology
> is indistinguishable from magic"?  I would like to find out the author's name,
> the book title, year it was printed, and any correction to the quote if I got
> it wrong.  I suspect Niven, Clark, or Asimov, but haven't been able to track
> it down....

> Thanks in advance,

> --Charles
>   fl...@apple.com

Mr. Clarke (spelled with a silent 'e') is the source you're looking for.

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James T. Green  
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 More options Oct 24 1991, 11:00 pm
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From: jgr...@zeus.calpoly.edu (James T. Green)
Date: 23 Oct 91 18:25:27 GMT
Local: Thurs, Oct 24 1991 4:25 am
Subject: Re: Quote attribution

In article <58...@apple.Apple.COM> fl...@apple.com (Charles Flaig) writes:
>Got a question for all you sf buffs out there, and this seems like the place
>to post it.

>Who originally came up with the quote "Any sufficiently advanced technology
>is indistinguishable from magic"?  I would like to find out the author's name,
>the book title, year it was printed, and any correction to the quote if I got
>it wrong.  I suspect Niven, Clark, or Asimov, but haven't been able to track
>it down....

It was Clark.  I don't know where it's from though.  I'd guess some
non-fiction article of his.

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George Heintzelman  
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 More options Oct 24 1991, 11:00 pm
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From: HEIG...@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (George Heintzelman)
Date: 23 Oct 91 05:26:17 GMT
Local: Wed, Oct 23 1991 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: Quote attribution
You ask:

Who originally came up with the quote "Any sufficiently advanced technology
is indistinguishable from magic"?  I would like to find out the author's name,
the book title, year it was printed, and any correction to the quote if I got
it wrong.  I suspect Niven, Clark, or Asimov, but haven't been able to track
it down....

I am pretty sure that this was said by Arthur C. Clarke.  I am also prett
sure it should be a FAQ, if it isn't already.

George Heintzelman
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Robert McGrath  
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 More options Oct 24 1991, 11:00 pm
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From: mcgr...@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Date: 23 Oct 91 13:57:24 GMT
Local: Wed, Oct 23 1991 11:57 pm
Subject: Re: Quote attribution

One printed source of the quote is:
Arthur C. Clarke, "Report on Planet Three", Harper and Row, 1972.

The chapter forward indicates that it is taken from a speech to the
American Institute of Architects, given in May 1967.

"Clarke's First Law:  When a distinguished but elderly scientist states
that something is possible, he is almost certainly right.  When he states
that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.

Second Law:  The only way to discover the limits of the possible is to go
beyond them into the impossible.

Third Law:  Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
from magic."
Report On Planet Three, pp. 129-130.


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Tom Kuchar  
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 More options Oct 24 1991, 11:00 pm
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From: kuc...@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Date: 23 Oct 91 15:10:27 GMT
Local: Thurs, Oct 24 1991 1:10 am
Subject: Re: Quote attribution

In article <58...@apple.Apple.COM> fl...@apple.com (Charles Flaig) writes:

>Who originally came up with the quote "Any sufficiently advanced technology
>is indistinguishable from magic"?  I would like to find out the author's name,
>the book title, year it was printed,

Arthur Clark said (wrote) it.  I'm not sure of the book, but `Childhood's End'
comes to mind.

Tom Kuchar
kuc...@buast7.bu.edu
Department of Astronomy
Boston Univerity


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Steve Linton  
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 More options Oct 25 1991, 4:46 pm
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From: s...@cl.cam.ac.uk (Steve Linton)
Date: 23 Oct 91 10:36:11 GMT
Local: Wed, Oct 23 1991 8:36 pm
Subject: Re: Quote attribution
Clarke, in "Profiles of the Future"

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Gary Benson  
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 More options Nov 1 1991, 4:14 am
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From: i...@tc.fluke.COM (Gary Benson)
Date: 30 Oct 91 23:28:02 GMT
Local: Thurs, Oct 31 1991 10:28 am
Subject: Re: Quote attribution

In article <58...@apple.Apple.COM> fl...@apple.com (Charles Flaig) writes:
>Got a question for all you sf buffs out there, and this seems like the place
>to post it.

>Who originally came up with the quote "Any sufficiently advanced technology
>is indistinguishable from magic"?  I would like to find out the author's name,
>the book title, year it was printed, and any correction to the quote if I got
>it wrong.  I suspect Niven, Clark, or Asimov, but haven't been able to track
>it down....

Sorry I can't give an attribution, but my quotes directory has:

    Any smoothly functioning technology will have the appearance of magic.
                                                        -Arthur C. Clarke

My collection also has this quote, attributed to "Anonymous":

    Any sufficiently clumsy magic will have the appearance of technology.
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Malcolm J. Harwood  
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 More options Nov 2 1991, 2:14 am
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From: harwo...@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Malcolm J. Harwood)
Date: 31 Oct 91 10:55:30 GMT
Local: Thurs, Oct 31 1991 9:55 pm
Subject: Re: Quote attribution
In <1991Oct30.232802.13...@tc.fluke.COM> i...@tc.fluke.COM (Gary Benson) writes:

>>Who originally came up with the quote "Any sufficiently advanced technology
>>is indistinguishable from magic"?  I would like to find out the author's name,
>>the book title, year it was printed, and any correction to the quote if I got
>>it wrong.  I suspect Niven, Clark, or Asimov, but haven't been able to track
>>it down....
>Sorry I can't give an attribution, but my quotes directory has:
>    Any smoothly functioning technology will have the appearance of magic.
>                                                        -Arthur C. Clarke
>My collection also has this quote, attributed to "Anonymous":
>    Any sufficiently clumsy magic will have the appearance of technology.
>--

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
is A.C.Clarke's third law - the others being:
 1) If an elderly and distunguished scientist says something is possible,
 it almost certainly is.
2) If an elderly and distunguished scientist says something is impossible,
it probably isn't.

I don't think the 'Any smoothly functioning technology will have the appearance of magic.' is Clarkes, but I may be wrong.

Malcolm.

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 Email: harwo...@uk.ac.man.cs.p4


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Gym Z. Quirk  
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 More options Nov 2 1991, 10:08 am
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From: tkog...@vesta.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Date: 1 Nov 91 20:52:27 GMT
Local: Sat, Nov 2 1991 7:52 am
Subject: Re: Quote attribution
In article <harwoodm.688906...@p4.cs.man.ac.uk> harwo...@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Malcolm J. Harwood) writes:

>"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
>is A.C.Clarke's third law - the others being:
> 1) If an elderly and distunguished scientist says something is possible,
> it almost certainly is.
>2) If an elderly and distunguished scientist says something is impossible,
>it probably isn't.

Not quite.  The three listed in my copy of _Report on Planet Three_
(Anyone remember this one?  ;-) are...

1) If an elderly and distinguished scientist states that something is
possible, he is quite probably correct.  If said elderly and
distinguished scientist states that something is impossible, he is
quite probably incorrect.

2) A sufficiently advanced technology is industinguishable from magic.

3) The only way to define the bounds of the knowable is to go beyond
them into the unknowable.

>Malcolm.

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Andrew A. Anda  
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 More options Nov 2 1991, 9:52 pm
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From: a...@cs.umn.edu (Andrew A. Anda)
Date: 1 Nov 91 22:36:41 GMT
Local: Sat, Nov 2 1991 9:36 am
Subject: Re: Quote attribution
In article <1991Oct30.232802.13...@tc.fluke.COM> i...@tc.fluke.COM (Gary Benson) writes:
>In article <58...@apple.Apple.COM> fl...@apple.com (Charles Flaig) writes:
...
>>Who originally came up with the quote "Any sufficiently advanced technology
>>is indistinguishable from magic"?  I would like to find out the author's name,

...
A. C. Clarke.  But Barry Gehm is responsible for observing the contrapositive:
"Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficient."

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