> With you on this. My other gripe is "tribute artists." I know there is > talent out there, new talent, new music, new voices, new arrangements -- > and in many cases, the artist being "tributed" is still living and > working! Is this part of the nostalgia movement, back to a time that > memory has created as somehow better? Not rosy future, but rosy past? > Give the new kids a chance! > Joanne
...which reminded me... One of the 11 year olds I teach is doing a project on Tutankhamun and this boy has been stressing out for the last week because Howard Carter got all the credit for finding Tutankhamun's tomb when it was actually the water boy who found the step cut into the rock. My kid's upset because they didn't even mention the Egyptian boy's name.He's very down on Howard Carter at the moment! Fran
> ...which reminded me... > One of the 11 year olds I teach is doing a project on Tutankhamun and this > boy has been stressing out for the last week because Howard Carter got all > the credit for finding Tutankhamun's tomb when it was actually the water boy > who found the step cut into the rock. My kid's upset because they didn't > even mention the Egyptian boy's name.He's very down on Howard Carter at the > moment! > Fran
Good for him! Then, if he ever gets to grad school, he can try to get his prof to not put his own name as an author on any papers he submits for publication. Good luck with that, too. -- Joanne stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
Fran Read wrote: >> With you on this. My other gripe is "tribute artists." I know >> there is talent out there, new talent, new music, new voices, new >> arrangements -- and in many cases, the artist being "tributed" is >> still living and working! Is this part of the nostalgia movement, >> back to a time that memory has created as somehow better? Not rosy >> future, but rosy past? Give the new kids a chance! >> Joanne
> ...which reminded me... > One of the 11 year olds I teach is doing a project on Tutankhamun and > this boy has been stressing out for the last week because Howard > Carter got all the credit for finding Tutankhamun's tomb when it was > actually the water boy who found the step cut into the rock. My kid's > upset because they didn't even mention the Egyptian boy's name.He's > very down on Howard Carter at the moment! > Fran
Now, Fran, we all know that it was really Emerson. <G>
Mike Burke wrote: > On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:11:41 -0800, Pogonip <nobo...@nowhere.org> > wrote:
>> Good for him! Then, if he ever gets to grad school, he can try to get >> his prof to not put his own name as an author on any papers he submits >> for publication. Good luck with that, too.
> Hehe. And it wasn't Captain Cook (or whoever) who discovered > Australia. It was the lookout at the masthead. :-)
> Mique
Correct me if I'm wrong, Mique, but weren't there already some people there, who apparently discovered it even earlier? -- Joanne stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
> Mike Burke wrote: >> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:11:41 -0800, Pogonip <nobo...@nowhere.org> >> wrote:
>>> Good for him! Then, if he ever gets to grad school, he can try to get >>> his prof to not put his own name as an author on any papers he submits >>> for publication. Good luck with that, too.
>> Hehe. And it wasn't Captain Cook (or whoever) who discovered >> Australia. It was the lookout at the masthead. :-)
>> Mique
> Correct me if I'm wrong, Mique, but weren't there already some people > there, who apparently discovered it even earlier? > -- > Joanne > stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com > http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
Weren't the Aborigines there thousands of years before the white man arrived. How can explorers claim to discover countries/continents when there are natives living there. Go figure.
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:55:46 -0800, Pogonip <nobo...@nowhere.org> wrote:
>Mike Burke wrote: >> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:11:41 -0800, Pogonip <nobo...@nowhere.org> >> wrote:
>>> Good for him! Then, if he ever gets to grad school, he can try to get >>> his prof to not put his own name as an author on any papers he submits >>> for publication. Good luck with that, too.
>> Hehe. And it wasn't Captain Cook (or whoever) who discovered >> Australia. It was the lookout at the masthead. :-)
>> Mique
>Correct me if I'm wrong, Mique, but weren't there already some people >there, who apparently discovered it even earlier?
Most likely, but they weren't talking. --
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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:03:05 +1100, Mike Burke <mbu...@pcug.org.au> wrote:
>On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:49:25 -0500, ell...@webtv.net wrote:
>>Because they're not. Their"idols" are Clay Aiken and Britney Spears. >>(Can't you just see them in a revival of "Wast Side Story?" (Which--in >>fact is back on Broadway ) Their lyricists and composers are eminem and >>KISS.
>Apparently the audience at Britney Spears' Perth, Western Australia, >lip synch concert the other day walked out in droves after about the >third song. So, perhaps there's hope yet.
I AM impressed with the sophistication of your audiences, Mique! --
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>> ...which reminded me... >> One of the 11 year olds I teach is doing a project on Tutankhamun and >> this boy has been stressing out for the last week because Howard Carter >> got all the credit for finding Tutankhamun's tomb when it was actually >> the water boy who found the step cut into the rock. My kid's upset >> because they didn't even mention the Egyptian boy's name.He's very down >> on Howard Carter at the moment! >> Fran
> Good for him! Then, if he ever gets to grad school, he can try to get his > prof to not put his own name as an author on any papers he submits for > publication. Good luck with that, too. > --
Actually it is a good teaching point for you and him. This is the way the workd works and the sooner he learns to accept it the better off he will be. This is not an isolated incident. Think of Edmund Hillary and sherpa guide Tenzing Norgay going up Mt. Everest. Also something similar happened with Dr. Christian Barnard and his surgical assistant (African). In business and in academia the head guy gets the props and those underneath who do the work are lucky if they get an off-hand mention.
Every young person gets his ideals shattered, his sense of justice and fairness besmirched. This is a good time to teach him that the way we think things ought to be and the way they actually are are very different. And in the fullness of time as you rise above others his turn will come. Another teaching point you can use it to emphazsizze how improtant it is to treat underlings with decency and respect. That way they will not resent things they way this boy does now. Take care -- Stanley L. Moore "The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness." Joseph Conrad
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:49:25 -0500, ell...@webtv.net wrote:
>>Because they're not. Their"idols" are Clay Aiken and Britney Spears. >>(Can't you just see them in a revival of "Wast Side Story?" (Which--in >>fact is back on Broadway ) Their lyricists and composers are eminem and >>KISS.
> Apparently the audience at Britney Spears' Perth, Western Australia, > lip synch concert the other day walked out in droves after about the > third song. So, perhaps there's hope yet.
> Mique
Angry about the lip synching? I difn't realize her fans were that discriminating. Take care -- Stanley L. Moore "The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness." Joseph Conrad
> "Pogonip" <nobo...@nowhere.org> wrote in message > news:4af75a7f$1@news.bnb-lp.com... >> Mike Burke wrote: >>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:11:41 -0800, Pogonip <nobo...@nowhere.org> >>> wrote:
>>>> Good for him! Then, if he ever gets to grad school, he can try to get >>>> his prof to not put his own name as an author on any papers he submits >>>> for publication. Good luck with that, too.
>>> Hehe. And it wasn't Captain Cook (or whoever) who discovered >>> Australia. It was the lookout at the masthead. :-)
>>> Mique
>> Correct me if I'm wrong, Mique, but weren't there already some people >> there, who apparently discovered it even earlier? >> -- >> Joanne >> stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com >> http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
> Weren't the Aborigines there thousands of years before the white man > arrived. How can explorers claim to discover countries/continents when > there are natives living there. Go figure.
> Joan
The first time civilized people discovered it. Whate Man's Burden etc. It is interesting how they got there. Though sea levels were much lower when humans arrived so there were more islands it was still too far from any high ground to be seen on the horizon. I got this from a Nat Geo program on TV. So they were sailiing blind and lucked out finding such a large land mass. Take care -- Stanley L. Moore "The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness." Joseph Conrad
On 2009-11-08 21:47:29 -0800, "Stanley Moore" <smoor...@comcast.net> said:
>> Apparently the audience at Britney Spears' Perth, Western Australia, >> lip synch concert the other day walked out in droves after about the >> third song. So, perhaps there's hope yet.
>> Mique
> Angry about the lip synching? I difn't realize her fans were that > discriminating. Take care
Perhaps they were angry over the fact that she can't dance a lick. Her music videos are so chopped up in 1/2 second cuts that you get part of one move, and don't realize that she can't put two moves together. Then there's the can't sing either part.
She doesn't care and has never cared about the music. It's all "give me your money and f*** off" and sooner or later people who fork over insane amounts of money (I heard $1300 US per ticket) will get fed up with it. -- -- Lymaree
> The first time civilized people discovered it. Whate Man's Burden etc. It > is interesting how they got there. Though sea levels were much lower when > humans arrived so there were more islands it was still too far from any > high ground to be seen on the horizon. I got this from a Nat Geo program > on TV. So they were sailiing blind and lucked out finding such a large > land mass. Take care
They just wanted a nice holiday away from their in-laws. Or got lost on the way to the hardware store. What amazes me is that the Polynesians ended up finding almost every speck of land from Hawaii south. Dots of land spread over thousands of miles of water, but they somehow settled almost all of them. I can't imagine how many parties set out and never found anything before they ran out of food and water and died.
>>> ...which reminded me... >>> One of the 11 year olds I teach is doing a project on Tutankhamun and >>> this boy has been stressing out for the last week because Howard Carter >>> got all the credit for finding Tutankhamun's tomb when it was actually >>> the water boy who found the step cut into the rock. My kid's upset >>> because they didn't even mention the Egyptian boy's name.He's very down >>> on Howard Carter at the moment! >>> Fran
>> Good for him! Then, if he ever gets to grad school, he can try to get >> his prof to not put his own name as an author on any papers he submits >> for publication. Good luck with that, too. >> --
> Actually it is a good teaching point for you and him. This is the way the > workd works and the sooner he learns to accept it the better off he will > be. This is not an isolated incident. Think of Edmund Hillary and sherpa > guide Tenzing Norgay going up Mt. Everest. Also something similar happened > with Dr. Christian Barnard and his surgical assistant (African). In > business and in academia the head guy gets the props and those underneath > who do the work are lucky if they get an off-hand mention.
Norgay got plenty of credit, as evidenced by your knowing his name. The world made Hillary the star and gave him the credit (as is customary for the leaders of expeditions), but he always reminded people that Norgay was there, too, and that he couldn't have made it without the Sherpas in his expedition. He's a legitimate hero to the people of Nepal for his humanitarian efforts over many decades.
>>> ...which reminded me... >>> One of the 11 year olds I teach is doing a project on Tutankhamun and >>> this boy has been stressing out for the last week because Howard Carter >>> got all the credit for finding Tutankhamun's tomb when it was actually >>> the water boy who found the step cut into the rock. My kid's upset >>> because they didn't even mention the Egyptian boy's name.He's very down >>> on Howard Carter at the moment! >>> Fran
>> Good for him! Then, if he ever gets to grad school, he can try to get >> his prof to not put his own name as an author on any papers he submits >> for publication. Good luck with that, too. >> --
> Actually it is a good teaching point for you and him. This is the way the > workd works and the sooner he learns to accept it the better off he will > be. This is not an isolated incident. Think of Edmund Hillary and sherpa > guide Tenzing Norgay going up Mt. Everest. Also something similar happened > with Dr. Christian Barnard and his surgical assistant (African). In > business and in academia the head guy gets the props and those underneath > who do the work are lucky if they get an off-hand mention.
Hmm. I knew I was wrong about something. Hillary was not the leader of the expedition as a whole (climbing expeditions being vast enterprises back then), just the head of one of two climbing teams named to make the final push to the top. He and Norgay succeeded after the other party had failed.
>>>> ...which reminded me... >>>> One of the 11 year olds I teach is doing a project on Tutankhamun and >>>> this boy has been stressing out for the last week because Howard Carter >>>> got all the credit for finding Tutankhamun's tomb when it was actually >>>> the water boy who found the step cut into the rock. My kid's upset >>>> because they didn't even mention the Egyptian boy's name.He's very down >>>> on Howard Carter at the moment! >>>> Fran
>>> Good for him! Then, if he ever gets to grad school, he can try to get >>> his prof to not put his own name as an author on any papers he submits >>> for publication. Good luck with that, too. >>> --
>> Actually it is a good teaching point for you and him. This is the way the >> workd works and the sooner he learns to accept it the better off he will >> be. This is not an isolated incident. Think of Edmund Hillary and sherpa >> guide Tenzing Norgay going up Mt. Everest. Also something similar >> happened with Dr. Christian Barnard and his surgical assistant (African). >> In business and in academia the head guy gets the props and those >> underneath who do the work are lucky if they get an off-hand mention.
> Norgay got plenty of credit, as evidenced by your knowing his name. The > world made Hillary the star and gave him the credit (as is customary for > the leaders of expeditions), but he always reminded people that Norgay was > there, too, and that he couldn't have made it without the Sherpas in his > expedition. He's a legitimate hero to the people of Nepal for his > humanitarian efforts over many decades.
> Mark Alan Miller
I know the name of one Sherpa but how many others do? Especially those younger than us (60-ish in my cse). Come to think of it I wonder how many 20 or 30 somethings know who Edmund Hillary was <G> (getting older is a bitch).
Perhaps Edmund Hirllary was not the best example that I could have picked and I do NOT recall the name of Christian Barnard's assistant offhand. The principle remains that the way the world works is very different from the way idealistic young peop[le think it should. Take care -- Stanley L. Moore "The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness." Joseph Conrad
>>>> ...which reminded me... >>>> One of the 11 year olds I teach is doing a project on Tutankhamun and >>>> this boy has been stressing out for the last week because Howard Carter >>>> got all the credit for finding Tutankhamun's tomb when it was actually >>>> the water boy who found the step cut into the rock. My kid's upset >>>> because they didn't even mention the Egyptian boy's name.He's very down >>>> on Howard Carter at the moment! >>>> Fran
>>> Good for him! Then, if he ever gets to grad school, he can try to get >>> his prof to not put his own name as an author on any papers he submits >>> for publication. Good luck with that, too. >>> --
>> Actually it is a good teaching point for you and him. This is the way the >> workd works and the sooner he learns to accept it the better off he will >> be. This is not an isolated incident. Think of Edmund Hillary and sherpa >> guide Tenzing Norgay going up Mt. Everest. Also something similar >> happened with Dr. Christian Barnard and his surgical assistant (African). >> In business and in academia the head guy gets the props and those >> underneath who do the work are lucky if they get an off-hand mention.
> Hmm. I knew I was wrong about something. Hillary was not the leader of > the expedition as a whole (climbing expeditions being vast enterprises > back then), just the head of one of two climbing teams named to make the > final push to the top. He and Norgay succeeded after the other party had > failed.
> Mark Alan Miller
I should look this up sometime. I recall teachers in grade school (which I enereted in 1956 a few years after the feat) mentioning the event and Hillary with great admiration.
Nowadays with better equipment many people have duplicated the climb. Take care -- Stanley L. Moore "The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness." Joseph Conrad
> On 2009-11-08 21:47:29 -0800, "Stanley Moore" <smoor...@comcast.net> said:
>>> Apparently the audience at Britney Spears' Perth, Western Australia, >>> lip synch concert the other day walked out in droves after about the >>> third song. So, perhaps there's hope yet.
>>> Mique
>> Angry about the lip synching? I difn't realize her fans were that >> discriminating. Take care
> Perhaps they were angry over the fact that she can't dance a lick. Her > music videos are so chopped up in 1/2 second cuts that you get part of one > move, and don't realize that she can't put two moves together. Then > there's the can't sing either part.
> She doesn't care and has never cared about the music. It's all "give me > your money and f*** off" and sooner or later people who fork over insane > amounts of money (I heard $1300 US per ticket) will get fed up with it. > -- > -- > Lymaree
If I paid that much for a ticket I think I'd at least stay til the end if only so I could bitch about it forever after. <G>. As an old guy whose music tastes are stuck in the decades before 1975. (My partner complains constantly when I am in the car wanting to listen to XM Radio Channel 18 which is Elvis all the time.) I am surprised she gets anyone to buy her tickets based in her antics in recent years with endangering her kids and behaving badly in general. Take care -- Stanley L. Moore "The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness." Joseph Conrad
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,<<Well I for one like him as Bond especially when he takes off his shirt. In Casino Royale even the bad guy comments on how well he takes care of his body <snip>
Because that's what the script told him to say. It wasn't exactly an "excited utterance."
<<One of the 11 year olds I teach is doing a project on Tutankhamun and this boy has been stressing out for the last week because Howard Carter got all the credit for finding Tutankhamun's tomb when it was actually the water boy who found the step cut into the rock. My kid's upset because they didn't even mention the Egyptian boy's name.He's very down on Howard Carter at the moment! Fran>>
Joanne wrote<<I know there is talent out there, new talent, new music, new voices, new arrangements -- <snip> >>
They're in summer theater; we've seen performers there who far sunshine many I've seen on Broadway. We can only conclude that they didn't sleep with the right people.
> <<About actors trying to sing, anyone remember Clint Eastwood in Paint > Your Wagon? <G> >> > Oh. My. God.
> Did you actually make it through the whole movie? > Ellen
When I was at Texas A&M back in 1967-1971, my dorm, Crocker Hall was right across the street from the Campus Theater. We could look out the window and see when the marquee changed every week, I saw almost every movie that came to town for 4 years. The only one I ever waliked out on was a Matt Helm film starring Dean Martin which was terrible. In addition to James Bond movies there was a spate of spy thrillers made in those years with several comedy spoofs like Matt Helm and Our Man Flint (which I liked). So yes I saw Pant Your Wagon which was something else. I guess Eastwood and Lee Marvin were the bankable stars then so that's why they were cast.
This place also showed "skin flicks" every Saturday night to raucous crowds. TAMY was about 95% male in those days and the soft core porn. some of them were 16mm prints very cheesy. As I recall they charged $1 admission to the porno movies while I think the regualr folms cost $1.25 so it was economical to go to the movies for college kids who usually didn't have much money. Take care -- Stanley L. Moore "The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness." Joseph Conrad
> ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,<<Well I for one like him as Bond especially when he > takes off his shirt. In Casino Royale even the bad guy comments on how > well he takes care of his body <snip>
> Because that's what the script told him to say. It wasn't exactly an > "excited utterance."
> Ellen
Well yes, but that line is not in the book IIRC. The writers needn't have put that line in as it was self evident that Bond is in good shape. That scene was incredibly erotic to me. I thought so when as a teenager I read the book and was very gratified the movie did the scene so well. Take care -- Stanley L. Moore "The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness." Joseph Conrad
>On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:12:21 -0600, "Joan in GB-W" <jjkr...@aol.com> >wrote:
>>"Pogonip" <nobo...@nowhere.org> wrote in message >>news:4af75a7f$1@news.bnb-lp.com... >>> Mike Burke wrote: >>>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:11:41 -0800, Pogonip <nobo...@nowhere.org> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> Good for him! Then, if he ever gets to grad school, he can try to get >>>>> his prof to not put his own name as an author on any papers he submits >>>>> for publication. Good luck with that, too.
>>>> Hehe. And it wasn't Captain Cook (or whoever) who discovered >>>> Australia. It was the lookout at the masthead. :-)
>>>> Mique
>>> Correct me if I'm wrong, Mique, but weren't there already some people >>> there, who apparently discovered it even earlier? >>> -- >>> Joanne >>> stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com >>> http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
>>Weren't the Aborigines there thousands of years before the white man >>arrived. How can explorers claim to discover countries/continents when >>there are natives living there. Go figure.
>There were people here well before the Aborigines whose ancestors >supplanted the earlier peoples, too.
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