>> "family" <briti...@bresnan.net> wrote in message >> news:3NOdnVQt09hBzHPXnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@bresnan.com... >>> Why is it that Hollywood portrays beautiful woman as fools, >>> and plain woman as smart, but ugly woman as evil? >>> Or why are there no female character actress? >>> When it comes to male character actor, then all bets are off. >>> Why the blatant double standard?
>> There aer female character actresses. What about Margery Main? Or >> maybe Linda Hunt. Take care >> -- >> Stanley L. Moore
> Kathy Bates.
> Joan
Genevieve Bujold Holly Hunter Leelee Sobieski Anna Paquin Maggie Smith Helena Bonham Carter Vanessa Redgrave Nancy Marchand Jessica Tandy Anjelica Huston Uma Thurman Gwyneth Paltrow Thandie Newton Halle Berry Jane Alexander
-- Francis A. Miniter
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>>> "family" <briti...@bresnan.net> wrote in message >>> news:3NOdnVQt09hBzHPXnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@bresnan.com... >>>> Why is it that Hollywood portrays beautiful woman as fools, >>>> and plain woman as smart, but ugly woman as evil? >>>> Or why are there no female character actress? >>>> When it comes to male character actor, then all bets are off. >>>> Why the blatant double standard?
>>> There aer female character actresses. What about Margery Main? Or >>> maybe Linda Hunt. Take care >>> -- >>> Stanley L. Moore
>> Kathy Bates.
>> Joan
> Genevieve Bujold > Holly Hunter > Leelee Sobieski > Anna Paquin > Maggie Smith > Helena Bonham Carter > Vanessa Redgrave > Nancy Marchand > Jessica Tandy > Anjelica Huston > Uma Thurman > Gwyneth Paltrow > Thandie Newton > Halle Berry > Jane Alexander
I accidentally left out
Sigourney Weaver Charlotte Rampling Cicely Tyson
-- Francis A. Miniter
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>>>> "family" <briti...@bresnan.net> wrote in message >>>> news:3NOdnVQt09hBzHPXnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@bresnan.com... >>>>> Why is it that Hollywood portrays beautiful woman as fools, >>>>> and plain woman as smart, but ugly woman as evil? >>>>> Or why are there no female character actress? >>>>> When it comes to male character actor, then all bets are off. >>>>> Why the blatant double standard?
>>>> There aer female character actresses. What about Margery Main? Or maybe >>>> Linda Hunt. Take care >>>> -- >>>> Stanley L. Moore
>>> Kathy Bates.
>>> Joan
>> Genevieve Bujold >> Holly Hunter >> Leelee Sobieski >> Anna Paquin >> Maggie Smith >> Helena Bonham Carter >> Vanessa Redgrave >> Nancy Marchand >> Jessica Tandy >> Anjelica Huston >> Uma Thurman >> Gwyneth Paltrow >> Thandie Newton >> Halle Berry >> Jane Alexander
> I accidentally left out
> Sigourney Weaver > Charlotte Rampling > Cicely Tyson
> -- > Francis A. Miniter
Thing is, I think those all of the above actresses you list may have started out as 'character' actresses but are now known more for their starring roles... I think a character actor is one you see in lesser or secondary roles and oftentimes you may recognize them but not necessarily know their names!
> Thing is, I think those all of the above actresses you list may have started > out as 'character' actresses but are now known more for their starring > roles... I think a character actor is one you see in lesser or secondary > roles and oftentimes you may recognize them but not necessarily know their > names!
> We probably need to define terms..
> Annie
In a more perfect world, all actors (which includes actresses) would be character actors, because those are the people who can actually act. They aren't "stars" who boost the box office and lend little more to the show than their famous face. -- Joanne stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
>>> "family" <briti...@bresnan.net> wrote in message >>> news:3NOdnVQt09hBzHPXnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@bresnan.com... >>>> Why is it that Hollywood portrays beautiful woman as fools, >>>> and plain woman as smart, but ugly woman as evil? >>>> Or why are there no female character actress? >>>> When it comes to male character actor, then all bets are off. >>>> Why the blatant double standard?
>>> There aer female character actresses. What about Margery Main? Or >>> maybe Linda Hunt. Take care >>> -- >>> Stanley L. Moore
>> Kathy Bates.
>> Joan
> Genevieve Bujold > Holly Hunter > Leelee Sobieski > Anna Paquin > Maggie Smith > Helena Bonham Carter > Vanessa Redgrave > Nancy Marchand > Jessica Tandy > Anjelica Huston > Uma Thurman > Gwyneth Paltrow > Thandie Newton > Halle Berry > Jane Alexander
Uma Thurman, Thandie Newton, Halle Berry, and Gwyneth Paltrow are not character actresses. They are pretty/glamorous leading ladies.
A number of the others were pretty/glamorous leading ladies when they were younger.
>> Thing is, I think those all of the above actresses you list may have started >> out as 'character' actresses but are now known more for their starring >> roles... I think a character actor is one you see in lesser or secondary >> roles and oftentimes you may recognize them but not necessarily know their >> names!
>> We probably need to define terms..
>> Annie
>In a more perfect world, all actors (which includes actresses) would be >character actors, because those are the people who can actually act.
Acting is over-rated. John Wayne never acted, and he was great!
David Johnston wrote: > On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:44:44 -0800, Pogonip <nobo...@nowhere.org> > wrote:
>> Annie C wrote: >>> Thing is, I think those all of the above actresses you list may have started >>> out as 'character' actresses but are now known more for their starring >>> roles... I think a character actor is one you see in lesser or secondary >>> roles and oftentimes you may recognize them but not necessarily know their >>> names!
>>> We probably need to define terms..
>>> Annie
>> In a more perfect world, all actors (which includes actresses) would be >> character actors, because those are the people who can actually act.
> Acting is over-rated. John Wayne never acted, and he was great!
Then you and my husband can watch him until your eyes and ears melt. I'll be in the other room. -- Joanne stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
Janet wrote: > Francis A. Miniter wrote: >> Joan in GB-W wrote: >>> "Stanley Moore" <smoor...@comcast.net> wrote in message >>> news:df-dnT3F1NhdyXLXnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>> "family" <briti...@bresnan.net> wrote in message >>>> news:3NOdnVQt09hBzHPXnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@bresnan.com... >>>>> Why is it that Hollywood portrays beautiful woman as fools, >>>>> and plain woman as smart, but ugly woman as evil? >>>>> Or why are there no female character actress? >>>>> When it comes to male character actor, then all bets are off. >>>>> Why the blatant double standard?
>>>> There aer female character actresses. What about Margery Main? Or >>>> maybe Linda Hunt. Take care >>>> -- >>>> Stanley L. Moore >>> Kathy Bates.
>>> Joan >> Genevieve Bujold >> Holly Hunter >> Leelee Sobieski >> Anna Paquin >> Maggie Smith >> Helena Bonham Carter >> Vanessa Redgrave >> Nancy Marchand >> Jessica Tandy >> Anjelica Huston >> Uma Thurman >> Gwyneth Paltrow >> Thandie Newton >> Halle Berry >> Jane Alexander
> Uma Thurman, Thandie Newton, Halle Berry, and Gwyneth Paltrow are not > character actresses. They are pretty/glamorous leading ladies.
> A number of the others were pretty/glamorous leading ladies when they were > younger.
Here are the roles that I thought about when I classified each of these as character actors:
Uma Thurman - Dangerous Liaisons (1988) - Cecile - Henry and June (1990) - June - Where the Heart Is (1990) - Daphne - this is one of my favorite films - Pulp Fiction (1994) - Mia - Les Miserables (1998) - Fantine
Thandie Newton - Jefferson in Paris (1995) - Sally Hemings - Beloved (1998) - Beloved - The Truth About Charlie (2002) - Regina - W (2008) - Condoleeza Rice
Halle Berry - Bulworth (1998) - Nina - Introducing Dorothy Dandridge (1999) - Dorothy Dandridge - Monster's Ball (2001) - Leticia - Things We Lost in the Fire (2007) - Audrey
Gwyneth Paltrow - Jefferson in Paris (1995) - Patsy Jefferson - Emma (1996) - Emma - Great Expectations (1998) - Estella - Possession (2002) - Maud Bailey - Sylvia (2003) - Sylvia Plath - Infamous (2006) - Kitty Dean
To me, a character actor is one who can and does play a role such that the viewer perceives the character, not the actor. It may be a lead role or supporting role. John Wayne was not a character actor. He was always John Wayne as somebody or other. Halle Berry in Catwoman is not character acting, she is role playing. But she has had significant films where she was truly acting the character.
-- Francis A. Miniter
Oscuramente libros, laminas, llaves siguen mi suerte.
> Janet wrote: >> Francis A. Miniter wrote: >>> Joan in GB-W wrote: >>>> "Stanley Moore" <smoor...@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>> news:df-dnT3F1NhdyXLXnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>> "family" <briti...@bresnan.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:3NOdnVQt09hBzHPXnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@bresnan.com... >>>>>> Why is it that Hollywood portrays beautiful woman as fools, >>>>>> and plain woman as smart, but ugly woman as evil? >>>>>> Or why are there no female character actress? >>>>>> When it comes to male character actor, then all bets are off. >>>>>> Why the blatant double standard?
>>>>> There aer female character actresses. What about Margery Main? Or >>>>> maybe Linda Hunt. Take care >>>>> -- >>>>> Stanley L. Moore >>>> Kathy Bates.
>>>> Joan >>> Genevieve Bujold >>> Holly Hunter >>> Leelee Sobieski >>> Anna Paquin >>> Maggie Smith >>> Helena Bonham Carter >>> Vanessa Redgrave >>> Nancy Marchand >>> Jessica Tandy >>> Anjelica Huston >>> Uma Thurman >>> Gwyneth Paltrow >>> Thandie Newton >>> Halle Berry >>> Jane Alexander
>> Uma Thurman, Thandie Newton, Halle Berry, and Gwyneth Paltrow are not >> character actresses. They are pretty/glamorous leading ladies.
>> A number of the others were pretty/glamorous leading ladies when they >> were younger.
> Here are the roles that I thought about when I classified each of these as > character actors:
> Uma Thurman > - Dangerous Liaisons (1988) - Cecile > - Henry and June (1990) - June > - Where the Heart Is (1990) - Daphne - this is one of my favorite films > - Pulp Fiction (1994) - Mia > - Les Miserables (1998) - Fantine
> Thandie Newton > - Jefferson in Paris (1995) - Sally Hemings > - Beloved (1998) - Beloved > - The Truth About Charlie (2002) - Regina > - W (2008) - Condoleeza Rice
> Halle Berry > - Bulworth (1998) - Nina > - Introducing Dorothy Dandridge (1999) - Dorothy Dandridge > - Monster's Ball (2001) - Leticia > - Things We Lost in the Fire (2007) - Audrey
> Gwyneth Paltrow > - Jefferson in Paris (1995) - Patsy Jefferson > - Emma (1996) - Emma > - Great Expectations (1998) - Estella > - Possession (2002) - Maud Bailey > - Sylvia (2003) - Sylvia Plath > - Infamous (2006) - Kitty Dean
> To me, a character actor is one who can and does play a role such that the > viewer perceives the character, not the actor. It may be a lead role or > supporting role. John Wayne was not a character actor. He was always > John Wayne as somebody or other. Halle Berry in Catwoman is not character > acting, she is role playing. But she has had significant films where she > was truly acting the character.
> -- > Francis A. Miniter
I was using the traditioanl industry definition of 'character actor' -- an actor who specializes in playing the roles of unusual or distinctive characters; -- or an actor who specializes in playing supporting roles.
Annie C wrote: > I was using the traditioanl industry definition of 'character actor' > -- an actor who specializes in playing the roles of unusual or > distinctive characters; > -- or an actor who specializes in playing supporting roles.
> "Francis A. Miniter" <famini...@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:hcqlmc$7k4$1@news.eternal-september.org... >> Janet wrote: >>> Francis A. Miniter wrote: >>>> Joan in GB-W wrote: >>>>> "Stanley Moore" <smoor...@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:df-dnT3F1NhdyXLXnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>>> "family" <briti...@bresnan.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:3NOdnVQt09hBzHPXnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@bresnan.com... >>>>>>> Why is it that Hollywood portrays beautiful woman as fools, >>>>>>> and plain woman as smart, but ugly woman as evil? >>>>>>> Or why are there no female character actress? >>>>>>> When it comes to male character actor, then all bets are off. >>>>>>> Why the blatant double standard?
>>>>>> There aer female character actresses. What about Margery Main? Or >>>>>> maybe Linda Hunt. Take care >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Stanley L. Moore >>>>> Kathy Bates.
>>>>> Joan >>>> Genevieve Bujold >>>> Holly Hunter >>>> Leelee Sobieski >>>> Anna Paquin >>>> Maggie Smith >>>> Helena Bonham Carter >>>> Vanessa Redgrave >>>> Nancy Marchand >>>> Jessica Tandy >>>> Anjelica Huston >>>> Uma Thurman >>>> Gwyneth Paltrow >>>> Thandie Newton >>>> Halle Berry >>>> Jane Alexander
>>> Uma Thurman, Thandie Newton, Halle Berry, and Gwyneth Paltrow are not >>> character actresses. They are pretty/glamorous leading ladies.
>>> A number of the others were pretty/glamorous leading ladies when they >>> were younger.
>> Here are the roles that I thought about when I classified each of these >> as character actors:
>> Uma Thurman >> - Dangerous Liaisons (1988) - Cecile >> - Henry and June (1990) - June >> - Where the Heart Is (1990) - Daphne - this is one of my favorite films >> - Pulp Fiction (1994) - Mia >> - Les Miserables (1998) - Fantine
>> Thandie Newton >> - Jefferson in Paris (1995) - Sally Hemings >> - Beloved (1998) - Beloved >> - The Truth About Charlie (2002) - Regina >> - W (2008) - Condoleeza Rice
>> Halle Berry >> - Bulworth (1998) - Nina >> - Introducing Dorothy Dandridge (1999) - Dorothy Dandridge >> - Monster's Ball (2001) - Leticia >> - Things We Lost in the Fire (2007) - Audrey
>> Gwyneth Paltrow >> - Jefferson in Paris (1995) - Patsy Jefferson >> - Emma (1996) - Emma >> - Great Expectations (1998) - Estella >> - Possession (2002) - Maud Bailey >> - Sylvia (2003) - Sylvia Plath >> - Infamous (2006) - Kitty Dean
>> To me, a character actor is one who can and does play a role such that >> the viewer perceives the character, not the actor. It may be a lead role >> or supporting role. John Wayne was not a character actor. He was always >> John Wayne as somebody or other. Halle Berry in Catwoman is not >> character acting, she is role playing. But she has had significant films >> where she was truly acting the character.
>> -- >> Francis A. Miniter
> I was using the traditioanl industry definition of 'character actor' > -- an actor who specializes in playing the roles of unusual or > distinctive characters; > -- or an actor who specializes in playing supporting roles.
Janet wrote: > Annie C wrote: >> I was using the traditioanl industry definition of 'character actor' >> -- an actor who specializes in playing the roles of unusual or >> distinctive characters; >> -- or an actor who specializes in playing supporting roles.
>> Annie
> Me too.
> Besides, Uma Thurman gives me hives.
I suppose you don't like Quentin Tarantino either. ;-)
elf (likes tall chicks with swords {when operating in adolescent male mode})
-- "We live in the interface between radioactive molten rock and hard vaccum and we worry about safety." --Chris Hunt in alt.sysadmin.recovery
Janet wrote: > Annie C wrote: >> I was using the traditioanl industry definition of 'character actor' >> -- an actor who specializes in playing the roles of unusual or >> distinctive characters; >> -- or an actor who specializes in playing supporting roles.
>> Annie
> Me too.
> Besides, Uma Thurman gives me hives.
Even in the roles I mentioned?
Would you not consider that she was a character actor in those films?
-- Francis A. Miniter
Oscuramente libros, laminas, llaves siguen mi suerte.
ELF wrote: > Janet wrote: >> Annie C wrote: >>> I was using the traditioanl industry definition of 'character actor' >>> -- an actor who specializes in playing the roles of unusual or >>> distinctive characters; >>> -- or an actor who specializes in playing supporting roles.
>>> Annie
>> Me too.
>> Besides, Uma Thurman gives me hives.
> I suppose you don't like Quentin Tarantino either. ;-)
> elf (likes tall chicks with swords {when operating in adolescent male > mode})
I don't think much of him. Pseudo-hipster poseur creep.
I have no problem with chicks with swords. Just with Odious Uma.
Francis A. Miniter wrote: > Janet wrote: >> Annie C wrote: >>> I was using the traditioanl industry definition of 'character actor' >>> -- an actor who specializes in playing the roles of unusual or >>> distinctive characters; >>> -- or an actor who specializes in playing supporting roles.
>>> Annie
>> Me too.
>> Besides, Uma Thurman gives me hives.
> Even in the roles I mentioned?
> Would you not consider that she was a character actor in > those films? >> Uma Thurman >> - Dangerous Liaisons (1988) - Cecile
Not even faintly. She's an ingenue with big tits.
>> - Henry and June (1990) - June
Haven't seen it. Avoid Uma movies.
>> - Where the Heart Is (1990) - Daphne - this is one of my favorite films
As above.
>> - Pulp Fiction (1994) - Mia
See Dangerous Liasons.
>> - Les Miserables (1998) - Fantine
Haven't seen it.
Other classic Odious Uma roles include the one with Emma Thompson set in Switzerland and The Truth About Cats and Dogs.
: I was using the traditioanl industry definition of 'character actor' : -- an actor who specializes in playing the roles of unusual or distinctive : characters;
Here's what I find odd: major stars, in general, play themselves, or a fixed public persona (or two, as in the case of Bruce Willis -- action-Bruce, and bald-interesting-Bruce).
Character actors, you know, *act*, in that they can come across as completely different kinds of people in different movies.
For some reason Hollywood views the latter -- which to me indicates more talent/scholarship/smarts -- as the lesser type. I've never understood this.
> Annie C wrote: >> I was using the traditioanl industry definition of 'character actor' >> -- an actor who specializes in playing the roles of unusual or >> distinctive characters; >> -- or an actor who specializes in playing supporting roles.
>> Annie
> Me too.
> Besides, Uma Thurman gives me hives.
Might be fun to go shopping with her on Rodeo Drive <G>. Take care -- Stanley L. Moore "The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness." Joseph Conrad
Andrew Barss wrote: > Character actors, you know, *act*, in that they can > come across as completely different kinds of people in different movies.
> For some reason Hollywood views the latter -- which to me indicates more > talent/scholarship/smarts -- as the lesser type. I've never understood > this.
Well, with rare exceptions (Dustin Hoffman, Philip Seymour Hoffman) they don't generate much box office interest.
elf
-- "We live in the interface between radioactive molten rock and hard vaccum and we worry about safety." --Chris Hunt in alt.sysadmin.recovery
Janet wrote: > Francis A. Miniter wrote: >> Janet wrote: >>> Annie C wrote: >>>> I was using the traditioanl industry definition of 'character actor' >>>> -- an actor who specializes in playing the roles of unusual or >>>> distinctive characters; >>>> -- or an actor who specializes in playing supporting roles.
>>>> Annie >>> Me too.
>>> Besides, Uma Thurman gives me hives.
>> Even in the roles I mentioned?
>> Would you not consider that she was a character actor in >> those films?
>>> Uma Thurman >>> - Dangerous Liaisons (1988) - Cecile
> Not even faintly. She's an ingenue with big tits.
>>> - Henry and June (1990) - June
> Haven't seen it. Avoid Uma movies.
>>> - Where the Heart Is (1990) - Daphne - this is one of my favorite films
> As above.
>>> - Pulp Fiction (1994) - Mia
> See Dangerous Liasons.
>>> - Les Miserables (1998) - Fantine
> Haven't seen it.
> Other classic Odious Uma roles include the one with Emma Thompson set in > Switzerland and The Truth About Cats and Dogs.
<ba...@basil.u.arizona.edu> wrote: >Annie C <annie_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>: I was using the traditioanl industry definition of 'character actor' >: -- an actor who specializes in playing the roles of unusual or distinctive >: characters;
>Here's what I find odd: major stars, in general, play themselves, or a >fixed public persona (or two, as in the case of Bruce Willis -- >action-Bruce, and bald-interesting-Bruce).
>Character actors, you know, *act*, in that they can >come across as completely different kinds of people in different movies.
>For some reason Hollywood views the latter -- which to me indicates more >talent/scholarship/smarts -- as the lesser type. I've never understood >this.
There's no great riddle to it. Movie stars usually have a lot more box-office impact than people who have nothing distinctive about them.
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