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family  
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From: "family" <briti...@bresnan.net>
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:14:21 -0700
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Subject: WHITE COLLAR is nothing new
What do you get if you cross the 1961 movie *The Great Imposter* with the
2002 movie *Catch me if you can*
The original television series *White-collar*

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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:47:54 -0600
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Subject: Re: WHITE COLLAR is nothing new

"family" <briti...@bresnan.net> wrote in message

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> What do you get if you cross the 1961 movie *The Great Imposter* with the
> 2002 movie *Catch me if you can*
> The original television series *White-collar*

I think it's a great new show and much more reminiscent of "It Takes A
Thief."

Have you actually watched it?

Annie


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From: K Barrett <mormo...@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:51:42 -0800
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Subject: Re: WHITE COLLAR is nothing new

I was very impressed with the pilot however the second episode was
filmed differently.  While the pilot almost looked HD in definition, the
second didn't. The chemistry between the two stars was missing in the
second, the camera lingering too lovingly on Matt Bomer.  I guess the
FBI agent will wind up as a second banana, not being given the same room
to act as in the first episode, this turning into Bomer's vehicle.  Heck
in the first episode the wife had a sparkle in her eyes (lighting?) and
decent TV actors filled the secondary roles that contributed something
to the story.  Where were their contributions in the second?  But I'll
give this show a few more tries to see if I'm wrong.  It has such promise.

Personally I'm ready for a blend of 'It takes a Thief', 'Catch Me If You
Can' and 'The Great Impostor' to break up the serial killing criminal
minds, cold cases and other excuses Hollywood regularly trots out for
the body count that usually fills our TV screens.  I have great hopes
for 'Men Of A Certain Age', too.  It'll be nice to see Andre Braugher
again.  He was nice to see him in 'House' in an episode that almost gave
the actors reasons not to be caught acting.

As to the op's subject line, was it Mark Twain or Shakespeare who said
there were only 4 plot lines in the first place?  I know McBain said
there's only 2 motives, Love or Money. So of course there's nothing new.
  But the Masters sure can do a lot with those 2 motives and those 4
plots.

K Barrett


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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:59:19 -0800
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Subject: Re: WHITE COLLAR is nothing new
On 2009-11-02 08:51:42 -0800, K Barrett <mormo...@hotmail.com> said:

>  But I'll give this show a few more tries to see if I'm wrong.  It has
> such promise.

> Personally I'm ready for a blend of 'It takes a Thief', 'Catch Me If
> You Can' and 'The Great Impostor' to break up the serial killing
> criminal minds, cold cases and other excuses Hollywood regularly trots
> out for the body count that usually fills our TV screens.

It is nice for a show to end without dead bodies and a hail of bullets
for a change. Where cleverness is both a means to an end and sometimes
the end in itself.  And where law enforcement aren't either clueless,
humorless drones or almighty see-everything protectors, but rather
sincere, ordinary people trying to do a difficult job.

I like the show a lot. It did seem like they put extra special effort
into the pilot. Perhaps because they had a longer timeslot for that
one? DIfferent writers? 2nd show certainly wasn't as sparkling. Need
more Diahann Caroll!
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From: "family" <briti...@bresnan.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:54:03 -0700
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"K Barrett" <mormo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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 Annie C wrote:
 "family" <briti...@bresnan.net> wrote in message

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As to the op's subject line, was it Mark Twain or Shakespeare who said
there were only 4 plot lines in the first place?  I know McBain said
there's only 2 motives, Love or Money. So of course there's nothing new.
But the Masters sure can do a lot with those 2 motives and those 4
plots.

The more Hollywood claims it to be an *ORIGINAL* idea,
the more you know it is anything but.


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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:37:25 -0500
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Subject: Re: WHITE COLLAR is nothing new
Annie wrote re "White Collar.:"

<<I think it's a great new show and much more reminiscent of "It Takes A
Thief.">>

We enjoy it too,but it reminds me of "Hustle," that great British
con-person show, which reminded me of the (very) late and short-lived
"The Rogues.

It's a good game though!


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K. Barret wrote: <<As to the op's subject line, was it Mark Twain or

Shakespeare who said there were only 4 plot lines in the first place? I
know McBain said there's only 2 motives, Love or Money. So of course
there's nothing new.
    But the Masters sure can do a lot with those 2 motives and
those 4 plots.>>

What are the other 2 plots?  Was this originally Aristotle?And while
we're at i t, all dreams are about eitther sex or death

You'll thank me later.

Also, I agree wth KB about the let-down on the second show.

Ellen


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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:00:33 -0500
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Subject: Re: WHITE COLLAR is nothing new
britcan wrote <<The more Hollywood claims it to be an *ORIGINAL* idea,
the more you know it is anything but.>>

Which is certainly a corollary of my husband's "Conford's Law of
advertising:
"The element they most strrongly emphsize feature is the one that is
the product's  weakest link."

And I keep thinking of the deodorant commercial:  

"Goes on clear and stays dry...."  I keep thinking, "goes on clear and
then  leaves white stuff all over your clothes."

Ellen


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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:35:33 -0800
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ell...@webtv.net wrote:
> K. Barret wrote: <<As to the op's subject line, was it Mark Twain or
> Shakespeare who said there were only 4 plot lines in the first place? I
> know McBain said there's only 2 motives, Love or Money. So of course
> there's nothing new.
>     But the Masters sure can do a lot with those 2 motives and
> those 4 plots.>>

> What are the other 2 plots?  Was this originally Aristotle?And while
> we're at i t, all dreams are about eitther sex or death

Your dreams, maybe.  Not mine.  Most of mine are fun and colorful.
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:49:18 -0700
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Subject: Re: WHITE COLLAR is nothing new
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:51:42 -0800, K Barrett <mormo...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Not having seen it, I can't comment personally, but my DW, who HAS
seen the pilot and episodes, is of the same mind.  Loved the pilot -
the series not so much, but willing to give it a chance.
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"Wes Struebing" <str...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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As others have said, the pilot was very well done; the 2nd episode not so
much.
Hoping the following ones will be better.. The show has a lot of promise.

Coincidentally, in the good news dept., I just read this morning that "It
Takes a Thief" - the classic tv series w/ Robert Wagner will most likely be
available for the first time on DVD in 2010....
http://therapsheet.blogspot.com/2009/11/thief-in-your-machine.html
and
http://spy-fichannel.blogspot.com/2009/10/intel-it-takes-thief-coming...

Annie


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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:35:32 +0000
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Subject: Re: WHITE COLLAR is nothing new

> Coincidentally, in the good news dept., I just read this morning that "It
> Takes a Thief" - the classic tv series w/ Robert Wagner will most likely be
> available for the first time on DVD in 2010....
> http://therapsheet.blogspot.com/2009/11/thief-in-your-machine.html
> and
> http://spy-fichannel.blogspot.com/2009/10/intel-it-takes-thief-coming...

> Annie

And talking of Robert Wagner, he's going to be
appearing in NCIS this season, sometime next month I
believe.  I should put spoiler space in regarding who
he's appearing as.....

SPOILER!!

He'll be playing Tony DiNozzo's dad :)

Mitchy


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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:51:02 -0600
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"Mitchy" <mi...@NOSPAMorien.demon.co.uk> wrote in message

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>> Coincidentally, in the good news dept., I just read this morning that "It
>> Takes a Thief" - the classic tv series w/ Robert Wagner will most likely
>> be available for the first time on DVD in 2010....
>> http://therapsheet.blogspot.com/2009/11/thief-in-your-machine.html
>> and
>> http://spy-fichannel.blogspot.com/2009/10/intel-it-takes-thief-coming...

>> Annie

> And talking of Robert Wagner, he's going to be appearing in NCIS this
> season, sometime next month I believe.  I should put spoiler space in
> regarding who he's appearing as.....

This addition could be a reason for me to watch the show. Have only seen one
episode..
(it didn't grab me ).. willing to try again though..

Annie


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"Mitchy" <mi...@NOSPAMorien.demon.co.uk> wrote in message

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Wow, perfect casting! I love it. Mitchy.  Thanks for the heads-up.

Joan


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Annie C wrote:

> As others have said, the pilot was very well done; the 2nd episode not so
> much.
> Hoping the following ones will be better.. The show has a lot of promise.

> Coincidentally, in the good news dept., I just read this morning that "It
> Takes a Thief" - the classic tv series w/ Robert Wagner will most likely be
> available for the first time on DVD in 2010....
> http://therapsheet.blogspot.com/2009/11/thief-in-your-machine.html
> and
> http://spy-fichannel.blogspot.com/2009/10/intel-it-takes-thief-coming...

> Annie

Speaking of old TV shows 'I Spy' is available on Hulu.  I can't watch a
caper movie with anyone having to defeat laser protection without
thinking of 'I Spy's art theft caper starring Joey Hetherton.  Of course
writers have gone mucho farther with that trick since that program but I
still like that one.  I believe they were the first to bust out of a
locked room by smashing through the dry wall, too.  I think I already
mentioned that Comcast has the original 'Prisoner' series available in
the On Demand feature.  McGoohan is still way cool.  And the avant garde
furniture is now available in the IKEA catalog!  If only his car was....

K Barrett


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"K Barrett" <mormo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Just discovered that the AMC network  has remade 'The Prisoner' into a 3
night- six hour series and it will start airing on Sun, Nov 15
http://www.amctv.com/originals/the-prisoner/.   Stars are Jim Caviezel as
Six and Sir Ian McKellan as Two.
We're not in Portmerion anymore! -- but it looks like a marvelous
production, even in the Namibian desert village setting. Check out the
videos. It looks very fine...

Recently my husband's been recording from tv and copying to disc the
original episodes of The Prisoner with Patrick McGoohan.. The first six
episodes are here on video.. for free viewing
http://www.amctv.com/originals/the-prisoner-1960s-series/

I'd only seen one or two episodes years ago... what a cool show! I am
enjoying it.. and I love his awesome sports car in the opening scenes! Pix
of it here http://www.theunmutual.co.uk/lotus7.htm

Annie


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"Mitchy" <mi...@NOSPAMorien.demon.co.uk> wrote in message

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>> Coincidentally, in the good news dept., I just read this morning that "It
>> Takes a Thief" - the classic tv series w/ Robert Wagner will most likely
>> be available for the first time on DVD in 2010....
>> http://therapsheet.blogspot.com/2009/11/thief-in-your-machine.html
>> and
>> http://spy-fichannel.blogspot.com/2009/10/intel-it-takes-thief-coming...

>> Annie

> And talking of Robert Wagner, he's going to be appearing in NCIS this
> season, sometime next month I believe.  I should put spoiler space in
> regarding who he's appearing as.....

I saw himn recently in an old movie "A Kiss Before Dying" where he plays an
ambitious young man who romances a couple of wealthy twin sisters (Joanne
Woodward I think) . It was remade some decades later with Matt Dillon as the
ambitious young man. I liked both movies but the one with the yound R.
Wagner was pretty good. Take care
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Stanley L. Moore
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source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
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Subject: Re: WHITE COLLAR is nothing new
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:42:14 -0800, K Barrett <mormo...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Too bad Hulu is US only.  

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>>> Annie
>> Speaking of old TV shows 'I Spy' is available on Hulu.  

> Too bad Hulu is US only.  

http://www.publicproxyservers.com/page1.html

http://tools.rosinstrument.com/proxy/

http://www.anonymitychecker.com/page1.html

http://www.publicproxyserver.net/

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David Johnston wrote:
> Too bad Hulu is US only.  

I just read somewhere that HULU will start charging fees next year. Sigh.

Barfly


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 ELF wrote:

>>>> Annie
>>> Speaking of old TV shows 'I Spy' is available on Hulu.  

>> Too bad Hulu is US only.  

> http://www.publicproxyservers.com/page1.html

> http://tools.rosinstrument.com/proxy/

> http://www.anonymitychecker.com/page1.html

> http://www.publicproxyserver.net/

Or AOL.com and they have a lot of old TV shows and some of the latest TV
shows. "I Spy" is one. You might have to search for it and I don't know
about other countries having access.
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<<What are the other 2 plots? Was this originally Aristotle?And while
we're at i t, all dreams are about either sex or death

<<Your dreams, maybe. Not mine. Most of mine are fun and colorful.>>
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Now, don't get upset, and remember, I say this with love,, but you need
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<<I saw himn recently in an old movie "A Kiss Before Dying" where he
plays an ambitious young man who romances a couple of wealthy twin
sisters (Joanne Woodward I think) . It was remade some decades later
with Matt Dillon as the ambitious young man. I liked both movies but the
one with the yound R. Wagner was pretty good. Take care
--
Stanley L. Moore>>

Oh, that WAS good  (With Wagner.)In fact, it was sort of a remake of "A
Place in the Sun," which was an adaptation of "An American Tragedy."

Ellen


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