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Windows 7

osteopath...@googlemail.com (knewmans) — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:20:36 UT

Hi
Does anyone know if Rationale 2 is compatible with Windows 7?
Thanks
Ken

Counterargument

tf7...@earthlink.net (Tommy3900) — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:14:19 UT

Can Rationale also display a counterargument structure, somewhat like
Aracauria does?

Map too large to print

gcomst...@ncsu.edu (Gary Comstock) — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:21:20 UT

My students are producing large maps that are not legible on standard
8 1/2 x 11" paper. Is there a feature to divide a map in two and
print the left side independently of the right side?

Use of Jumble

john.poul...@minterellison.com (JohnnyP) — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 06:07:41 UT

I am a new user of Rationale and having created by first complex map,
accidentaly pressed 'jumble' and it got all jumbled up - how do I fix
it?

Using Rationale on Mac

markus.kreu...@villanova.edu (Ludwig) — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:53:51 UT

I just switched to a Mac and am using Rationale with the help of
Parallels. I noticed that that the save as image function does not
work when you try to copy the image of a Rationale map into let's say
Word or Powerpoint. Are there any solutions to this ?

Bug Report

bld0...@gmail.com (Hiro) — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:10:02 UT

Hi, I want to point out the bug that has been reported by me before
but hasn't been addressed for years now.
I'm using Rationale 1.5, and it has a bug that prevents me from using
it very often.

The bug is in 2byte character support, if I use Japanese language for
example, IME, I cannot type and change the kanjis I need to use for

Feature request

mindatw...@gmail.com (mindatwork) — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:19:00 UT

Hello all,

I'd like to request a new feature for Rationale. In our course on
critical thinking, our students are required to make a poster-sized
argument map and present it to their fellow students. I happen to know
that ReasonAble had the option to print a map on, say, 2 by 3 pages
(A4) with a few millimeters of overlap so that you could tape the

use in court?

t...@austhink.com (Tim van Gelder Austhink) — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:45:10 UT

I was asked "Have any judges in Australia (or anywhere else) ever accepted
the use of *Rationale* by trial or appellate counsel to sketch an argument
about the evidence in a case?"
I know one judge has at least threatened to require Rationale
use<[link]>but

"precondition failed"

manchesterismyhea...@gmail.com (Mel) — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:04:32 UT

Hi everyone,

I've been working on a map and when I tried to open it, it wouldn't
open and I was given an error message "Python Exception: Precondition
failed". I re-did the map as best I could from memory, and this time I
got "Precondition Exception: Precondition failed".

Has anyone else had this problem? Many thanks in advance.

can't find rebuttal

gcomst...@ncsu.edu (Gary Comstock) — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:14:50 UT

i'm a new user working through the intro wizard. works great until i
get to the instruction to add a rebuttal. i'm told "select an
objection in the buiding panel and drag and drop it under the
objection." AH! i see how it's done. here's what i suggest for
helping people avoid the mistake i made. add another sentence after:

Using Rationale to create complex essay structures

marioivanlo...@gmail.com (Fearless Speech) — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 05:31:51 UT

Hi Rationale creators,

I have a question/suggestion in regards to the use of Rationale. I
really love this product, but would like to know if you could possibly
improve the performance of the software when using lots of materials
in maps.

Some of my students have used the essay planning template for creating

I can't get hyperlinks to work

nick.fry...@gmail.com (Nick Fryars) — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:24:02 UT

I can add a hyperlink to a claim, topic etc. but clicking on the topic
(when it shows a 'hand') has no effect. The hyperlink is there though
- I can still access and edit it.
Am I doing something wrong or is there a problem with this
functionality?

Web Enabled Version

lorenzo.s...@gmail.com (p2_intel) — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:54:47 UT

My organization would like to be be able to export your product across
multiple platforms. Do you have a web-enabled/Java version of
Rationale?

Activation problem

mindatw...@gmail.com (mindatwork) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:39:17 UT

We are using Rationale in our Critical Thinking course on a university
in the Netherlands, but we are having trouble with the license in our
shared computerroom. We activated Rationale on an image-pc and got a
popup message telling us that the license belongs to a different
machine. We then clicked "Ok - Activate" and everything worked fine,

New member and some questions

bcnutt...@gmail.com (bcnuttall) — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:45:08 UT

I am trying to improve my thinking and am evaluating Rationale for
possible purchase. I have a couple of questions.

Other than using a post-it as a comment and flag, is there a way to
indicate the type of logical fallacy embodied by an argument? I want
to designate a contention (and often its co-premise) a false

Jumble Map

jamesgswil...@gmail.com (James Wilson) — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:43:58 UT

I just tried the new Jumble Map feature on quite a large map I was
working on, only to find to my annoyance that you cannot undo it!

Can I suggest either that you either introduce an undo feature for
this, or that you warn the user before they jumble the map that this
action cannot be undone?

Who to contact regarding upgrade questions?

iqu...@yahoo.com (DC) — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:24:53 UT

Hi,

I tried to contact Austhink, both through the contact form, and by
replying to their 2.x advertisement in my inbox. But I haven't
received a response, and recall that this happened before, with
Austhink.

I just purchased an upgrade for one of my laptops from 1.x to 2.x.
But I also had a separate 1.x license on a previous laptop, which had

Rationale student licences $29 each Version 2

fionaandrich...@gmail.com (Fiona Patterson) — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 05:13:51 UT

To clarify the pricing for students - it is $29 for a perpetual licence
where Rationale is a stipulated learning tool. To receive this discount,
please contact rationale_sa...@austhink.com with details of your course and
a discount voucher will be created for your students.
cheers
Fiona

Unfortunate pricing for Rational new Version 2.0.1.

markus.kreu...@villanova.edu (Ludwig) — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:54:16 UT

I am looking forward trying out the latest Version of Rational. In the
past, I requested students to purchase a one year license which cost
under US$ 30. The price was a great attraction because I could assign
the software as just another book. I used it in a variety of books to
assist students with the paper writing process. However, the new price

Multiple links and connections

drester...@gmail.com (Historyman) — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:53:23 UT

Hi everyone,

I'd love to be able to connect multiple ideas to multiple nodes within
a mindmap. For example, I teach Modern History and many of the
features, concepts and issues we deal with can link to a variety of
other ideas in varying ways and to varying degrees.

Is Austhink developing a changable connector button/feature that will

What is the latest version of Rationale?

iqu...@yahoo.com (DC) — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:34:20 UT

Hi,

I have version 1.5.2. Is that the most recent version? If not, do I
go through the standad download page, pull down the trial, and just
input my serial number to activate it?

printing issue

lmsa...@comcast.net (len) — Tue, 20 May 2008 00:50:00 UT

With Vista 64-bit as operating system, Rationale loads and performs as
designed, with one exception: the print function is unavailable
(grayed out - both the toolbar icon and the print command in the drop-
down menu). No other program loaded on this computer has this problem;
i.e., all printers, networked or otherwise, can be selected for use,

Upgrade Procedures / Version Information

mike.smith....@gmail.com (Michael) — Mon, 19 May 2008 20:15:32 UT

Context: I was considering upgrading from version 1.4.2 to current.

Upgrade:
-----------

-Is there a published upgrade procedure somewhere I can look at, if
not what is the recommended upgrade procedure?
-What is the recommended roll-back procedure in case the new software
does not work, or I don't like it?

sending a Rationale map to someone who has not got Rationale software

e...@xyzweb.co.uk (Geoff) — Sat, 10 May 2008 19:55:54 UT

Same old problem - posted in 2006 why can't I send a copy image to
someone who has not got Rationale?

Even using Frontpage 2002 and pasting an image to a blank page and
sending that HTML file to someone who does not have Rationale will not
work as the image remains on the users computer.

What I want to send is confidential so I don't wont to publish the

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Arguments that seem different

ted.sprit...@gmail.com (ted) — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:09:58 UT

I completed the tutorials and I think I have a fair understanding of
how to map arguments. Below are arguments I'm having some trouble
with. These types of arguments seem different than the arguments in
the tutorials. I'd appreciate your help!

Contention: B can fly
Claims:
a) B is a bird (assume true):

Logical Soundness, et al.

frank.willi...@eku.edu (Phiwilli) — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:49:32 UT

How, in Rationale argmaps, does one exhibit clearly the difference
between soundness (true reasons + valid or at least very strong
support) and strong logical support even though the reasons are false?

Eg: takins are fishes, and all fishes can swim, therefore takins can
swim.

Logically, the reasons lead straight to the conclusion, so, strong

activation probs

tonyli...@googlemail.com (Tony) — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:24:12 UT

I'm rebuilding my laptop after installing a larger disk and, on
installing Rationale and trying to activate it with my key, I get the
message 'no more activations allowed'. Anyone know why?

Cheers,
Tony.

Hyperlinking / using documents

floris...@gmail.com (FJ Bex) — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:36:57 UT

Hi there,

I'm a PhD student in the Netherlands and have been following Rationale
since Tim van Gelder presented it at a New York conference on argument
visualization back in January 2007.

I'm currently using Rationale to visualise arguments made by the Dutch
High Court. I think it's a good product, very easy to use & a

The New Rationale - what's on the drawing table...

fionaandrich...@gmail.com (fiona) — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:41:22 UT

Hi Rationale users,

Thanks for your insights about Rationale and bCisive. The suggestions
are noted!

Thought you might like a sketch on some of the "wishlist" items for
Rationale V2.

1. The essay planner will incorporate some more templates - including
a science template and a business studies report format.

A decision tree...

philmarn...@gmail.com (pjjava) — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:07:43 UT

I've uploaded a file, 'Switch to ANALYSE mode.doc' that has some steps
that I came up with to 'build' a decision tree.

The problem was getting multiple steps to resolve down to a single
branch based on all of them having to be one way or another.

Basically, in what I came up with, the steps that make up the decision

Multiple paths - converge into one

philmarn...@gmail.com (pjjava) — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:39:13 UT

In rationale, it's a snap to create a thread where multiple children
can occupy a 'level' within a heirarchy.

But, what I can't figure out, is how to 're-join' a logical flow.

In other words:

Say you have an item (A).

It has children (1), (2), and (3).

Children (1) and (2) are related, whereas child (3) represents a

bcisive feedback

dgcoo...@gmail.com (david) — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:28:12 UT

Being a rationale user it was very easy to get started and I took a
pressing customer problem that was complex and had various decision
points and information to be presented.

On the decisioning front everything worked well, very clean interface,
intuitive, and some of the things I had trouble presenting in

rationale vs bcisive

dgcoo...@gmail.com (david) — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:57:39 UT

I've had rationale for about a year and been very happy with it, and
as I mainly use it for decision making rather than true argument
mapping I looked with interest into the bcisive product but I'm a bit
confused. It seems that bcisive is a subset of rationale - basically
the 'templates/dialog' tab of today and yet bcisive is 3 times the

More spam on the list

schak...@gmail.com (Stephen Chakwin) — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:53:12 UT

Two more chunks of spam today. I guess the screening of posts isn't
working too well. Maybe the answer is to go to a completely monitored
list. It will mean more work for some unlucky soul and a delay in
getting things out to the community, but it will be worth it to get
the value of this list back again.

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Spam on Rationale group - and new Austhink product

timvangel...@gmail.com (Tim v.G.) — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:28:20 UT

Unfortunately a spammer has managed to pollute this discussion list.

The Rationale group settings have been modified so that posts by new
members must be moderated.

Meanwhile, this list has been quiet recently in part because, at
Austhink, we've been pre-occupied with developing a new product,

Out of control

lutc...@gmail.com (lutchrd) — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:05:32 UT

The Rationale forum now seems irrationally out of control. Very sad
indeed.

Very newbie question....

julianne.engst...@gmail.com (BestOne) — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:57:17 UT

When grouping, how do I attach more than one box to the higher box.
It only allows me to do one. Like the first example is the world,
asia and europe. i am trying to get asia and europe attached to the
world with diagonal lines, but it wont do it. I tried cntl, alt...its
probably very simple but I can't get it. Thanks in advance! :)

Some coments for improvement?

marioivanlo...@gmail.com (Fearless Speech) — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:45:52 UT

Hi, I have been trialling and now purchased Rationale.

However, I want to know one thing regarding possible future function.

1. I am looking to use a program where not only one user, but possibly
a number of users could manipulate a file realtime. I am a University
Research/Phd candidate who is interested in using Rationale among

Registration Key or Crack Plz

waheed.a...@gmail.com (King Ebrow VI) — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:30:13 UT

Can anybody provide me with the Registration key, or the cracks if
any...

I like that software, but can't afford to buy its key.

Mac OS X version please

danty...@bigpond.com (gwundu@gmail.com) — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:01:30 UT

I appreciate that Rationale runs well under emulation and
virtualisation, but I respectfully request that consideration be given
to producing a Mac OS X version. In doing so, interoperability will
nice tools such as Nova-mind (mind-mapping) and potentially others
will be possible

How Do you Use the Map Layout Function

markus.kreu...@villanova.edu (Marcus) — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:04:47 UT

This is the first semester that I have used Rational for a research
seminar that teaches sophemore students how to write more effective
research papers. The software has proven incredibly useful on many
different fronts. Most importantly, it allows me to monitor the paper
writing process between the time they finalize their topic and and

1.5.2 - feedback wanted...

t...@austhink.com (Tim van Gelder) — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:53:09 UT

We've just made available version 1.5.2. This is an enhancement to
v.1.5which we announced to this group a few weeks ago.
1.5.2 has a redesigned "out of the box experience" which basically amounts
to dropping the startup screen and improving the design of the Building
panel and, within that, the Explore window. This is on top of the major new

Flying Logic

pointre...@gmail.com (kk6pr) — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:45:43 UT

Just heard about this program over at OutlinerSoftware.com:
[link]
I'm still reading the manual, but it seems to implement a function
that would be nice to have in Rationale - confidence spinners.
It allows logical operator based calculations (on values of True to
False, or any value in-between) to be performed within an argument

tips: drag/dropping text, and argument schemas

t...@austhink.com (Tim van Gelder) — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:01:25 UT

---------- Forwarded message ----------
To:
Hi Roger,
I think the functionality you're after is already there:
- you can paste any text into the scratchpad and drag/drop statements from
there
- alternatively in the inbuilt browser you can open local files (text, pdf
etc.) and drag/drop from there.
- Walton (and other) argument schemas can be dragged into the workspace from

A little frustrations and ideas for feature suggestion.

bld0...@gmail.com (Hiro) — Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:17:53 UT

Hi!
So I have purchased Rationale and have been playing with it for a
while,
and I noticed a little frustrations in it.
While putting some readings into Rationale's argument map, I noticed
it was not so useful on visualizing a big argument. You have to focus
and zoom in to read the sentences, but you have to zoom out and not

Rationale 1.5 release - hide/show, hyperlinks, sideways layout

t...@austhink.com (Tim van Gelder) — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:01:21 UT

Just letting folks on the Rationale group know - we've made a quiet release
of version 1.5 of Rationale. Major new features are:
- hyperlinks
- hide/show of branches
- sideways layout for grouping and reasoning modes
and importantly, major performance improvements.
In 2 weeks or so, we'll be releasing 1.5.1 which has some other

Question: How often does Rationale upgrade?

bld0...@gmail.com (Hiro) — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:08:56 UT

Hey folks!
I am thinking of purchasing Rationale, but I am not sure if its
worthwhile to pay 100 dollers every year, or 200 dollers every 2 - 3
years.
How often does Rational upgrade(not a maintenance upgrade that comes
with the non-subscription version)?
I also couldn't find the "upgrading prices", if anyone knows.