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Re: Windows 7

and...@gmail.com (Andrew Thomas) — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:57:13 UT

It's working OK for me - Windows 7 professional

Andy

Windows 7

osteopath...@googlemail.com (knewmans) — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:20:36 UT

Hi
Does anyone know if Rationale 2 is compatible with Windows 7?
Thanks
Ken

Re: Counterargument

annamcumm...@gmail.com (Anna) — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:41:35 UT

Hi Tommy,

We're not sure exactly what you mean by a 'counterargument structure';
can you give us an example?

Rationale does include boxes like 'Opposing argument' and 'Rebuttal',
and it's possible to create co-premise structures.

All the best
Anna
Austhink Software

Counterargument

tf7...@earthlink.net (Tommy3900) — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:14:19 UT

Can Rationale also display a counterargument structure, somewhat like
Aracauria does?

Re: Map too large to print

mindatw...@gmail.com (mindatwork) — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:51:34 UT

I requested the "print on multiple pages" feature in April (see post:
[link])
because our students too had lots of trouble printing their poster-
sized argument maps. Last year we used Rationale's predecessor
ReasonAble, which could print the maps on multiple pages with a few

Re: Map too large to print

philosopherb...@gmail.com (Bill Anelli) — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 04:15:12 UT

Given the lack of the feature (see Dan's post from Austhink), I have a
suggestion for Austhink if this is possible/easy to do???

A "print preview" option in Rationale... so that one could see what
would be printed on an 8.5x11 from a given zoom size - or perhaps a
set of "margins" that indicate where a map would cut off, etc..

Re: Map too large to print

bcnutt...@gmail.com — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:44:33 UT

The simplest plan is to output the map as an image file. Then insert that image into Excel. In the page layout view, divide the image into convenient sizes. Print and tape the pieces together.

Brandon Nuttall

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Re: Map too large to print

daniel.a.pra...@gmail.com (Daniel Prager) — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:42:34 UT

Hi Gary

Unfortunately there is no such feature. In practice we've found that
such features on other products are awkward to use
when you paste the pages back together.

One workaround is to selectively hide parts of the map and print a few
pages:

Page 1 - overview: Main contention and top-level reasons and

Map too large to print

gcomst...@ncsu.edu (Gary Comstock) — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:21:20 UT

My students are producing large maps that are not legible on standard
8 1/2 x 11" paper. Is there a feature to divide a map in two and
print the left side independently of the right side?

Re: Use of Jumble

b...@austhink.com (Ben Loft) — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 00:04:11 UT

Hi John,

Unfortunately, it is not possible to un-jumble a map once it has been
jumbled. The only way to bring it back is to either reload the file, or
reassemble it manually. It may take a while for a complex map, but the
ticks and crosses feedback in jumble mode will help you reassemble it

Use of Jumble

john.poul...@minterellison.com (JohnnyP) — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 06:07:41 UT

I am a new user of Rationale and having created by first complex map,
accidentaly pressed 'jumble' and it got all jumbled up - how do I fix
it?

Re: Using Rationale on Mac

annamcumm...@gmail.com (Anna) — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:46:11 UT

Hi Ludwig,

We don't have Parallels here at Austhink (we're using VMWare) so can't
say for certain, but it depends on exactly what you're trying to do.

There shouldn't be any issues copying and pasting between Windows
applications, but I suspect you're trying to copy the image from
Rationale on Windows directly into a program on Mac. We had problems

Using Rationale on Mac

markus.kreu...@villanova.edu (Ludwig) — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:53:51 UT

I just switched to a Mac and am using Rationale with the help of
Parallels. I noticed that that the save as image function does not
work when you try to copy the image of a Rationale map into let's say
Word or Powerpoint. Are there any solutions to this ?

Re: Feature request

bcnutt...@gmail.com (Brandon Nuttall) — Wed, 20 May 2009 13:12:58 UT

In addition to MS Paint, you can also insert the image into a spreadsheet
program and break it into separate pages. I've done this with MS Excel. I
haven't tried it with OpenOffice, but suspect it would work in that also.

Brandon Nuttall

Re: Bug Report

annamcumm...@gmail.com (Anna) — Wed, 20 May 2009 06:40:19 UT

Dear Hiro,

Thanks for your post, and sorry for the delay in responding.

We have long been aware of the problems with IME input for Japanese,
and have spent quite a lot of time and effort trying to isolate and
fix them. Rationale 2 has a lot of improvements in this area which
went a long way to fixing this problem. At this stage, the best thing

Re: Feature request

mindatw...@gmail.com (mindatwork) — Mon, 04 May 2009 09:22:29 UT

You can get larger image files by zooming in to 500% before exporting
to JPG/GIF, which may improve the quality a bit.

Thanks for the link Ludwig, but I hope this functionality will be
added to the program. That would be much easier for our students.

- Jimmy

Re: Feature request

t...@austhink.com (Tim van Gelder Austhink) — Mon, 04 May 2009 03:47:01 UT

Thanks Ludwig (Markus)

Its a great idea, but trying it out, I had trouble getting an acceptable
result for a bCisive map. (Assume it is the same for Rationale.) The
"poster" is too pixelated. The problem is that BlockPosters requires GIF or
JPG, and a GIF or JPG image created by bCisive/Rationale is quite small -

Re: Feature request

markus.kreu...@villanova.edu (Ludwig) — Sun, 03 May 2009 16:46:42 UT

Here might be solution. This is an free online services that let's you
upload large files and then print them out into smaller single pages
that can be stitched together. [link]

Good luck. M

Bug Report

bld0...@gmail.com (Hiro) — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:10:02 UT

Hi, I want to point out the bug that has been reported by me before
but hasn't been addressed for years now.
I'm using Rationale 1.5, and it has a bug that prevents me from using
it very often.

The bug is in 2byte character support, if I use Japanese language for
example, IME, I cannot type and change the kanjis I need to use for

Re: Feature request

nick.fry...@gmail.com (Nick Fryars) — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:50:34 UT

Absolutely agree. The current functionality is a serious limitation.

Feature request

mindatw...@gmail.com (mindatwork) — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:19:00 UT

Hello all,

I'd like to request a new feature for Rationale. In our course on
critical thinking, our students are required to make a poster-sized
argument map and present it to their fellow students. I happen to know
that ReasonAble had the option to print a map on, say, 2 by 3 pages
(A4) with a few millimeters of overlap so that you could tape the

Re: use in court?

mkbr...@mitre.org (mark) — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:56:21 UT

Sorry Tim, no pointers to judges.

A related question is “Have lawyers used Rationale to prepare a
case?” If yes, then how is it used? If no, then why not? If
Rationale is useful for lawyers, you might think they’d use it. On
the other hand, the same can be said of intelligence analysts. A

use in court?

t...@austhink.com (Tim van Gelder Austhink) — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:45:10 UT

I was asked "Have any judges in Australia (or anywhere else) ever accepted
the use of *Rationale* by trial or appellate counsel to sketch an argument
about the evidence in a case?"
I know one judge has at least threatened to require Rationale
use<[link]>but

Re: "precondition failed"

bjl...@gmail.com (Ben Loft) — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:02:49 UT

Hi Mel,

If you ever have any problems like this with files send a copy of the file
to supp...@austhink.com. In most cases we should be able to recover the
file for you. It also makes it a lot easier to diagnose the problem if we
can reproduce it.

Ben Loft
Austhink Software

--
Ben Loft

"precondition failed"

manchesterismyhea...@gmail.com (Mel) — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:04:32 UT

Hi everyone,

I've been working on a map and when I tried to open it, it wouldn't
open and I was given an error message "Python Exception: Precondition
failed". I re-did the map as best I could from memory, and this time I
got "Precondition Exception: Precondition failed".

Has anyone else had this problem? Many thanks in advance.

Re: I can't get hyperlinks to work

annamcumm...@gmail.com (Anna) — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:26:36 UT

Excellent idea, Ludwig. A link to the Uservoice forum now appears in
the Support and Contact pages on the website.

Regards
Anna Cumming

Re: I can't get hyperlinks to work

markus.kreu...@villanova.edu (Ludwig) — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:37:24 UT

How come the uservoice is not featured with a link on the forum
section of your webpage ?

Re: Using Rationale to create complex essay structures

ma...@thion.nl (Malik de Kok) — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:33:44 UT

Hello Anna,

Your response makes me curious. When do you consider a map to be
'ridiculously large'?

I am interested because, like Fearless, I use Rationale and other
mapping tools mainly to prepare document structures. My maps easily
get large. I have had several software tools slow down or simply

can't find rebuttal

gcomst...@ncsu.edu (Gary Comstock) — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:14:50 UT

i'm a new user working through the intro wizard. works great until i
get to the instruction to add a rebuttal. i'm told "select an
objection in the buiding panel and drag and drop it under the
objection." AH! i see how it's done. here's what i suggest for
helping people avoid the mistake i made. add another sentence after:

Re: Using Rationale to create complex essay structures

annamcumm...@gmail.com (Anna) — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:41:22 UT

Hi there,

Thanks for your message. About the performance problems, we are aware
that with ridiculously large maps it can slow down, and have tried to
improve performance as best we can. It's still on our developers'
list, and they will look into it again the first chance they get.

It is possible that you're running an older version which doesn't

Using Rationale to create complex essay structures

marioivanlo...@gmail.com (Fearless Speech) — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 05:31:51 UT

Hi Rationale creators,

I have a question/suggestion in regards to the use of Rationale. I
really love this product, but would like to know if you could possibly
improve the performance of the software when using lots of materials
in maps.

Some of my students have used the essay planning template for creating

Re: I can't get hyperlinks to work

annamcumm...@gmail.com (Anna) — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 03:45:59 UT

Dear Brandon,

Thanks for your email. I'm afraid it's not possible to add more than
one hyperlink to a map box - though of course you can list several
URLs as plain text in the box.

If you'd like to request this feature be looked at for a future
release, please log it on our new Uservoice feedback forum:

Re: I can't get hyperlinks to work

bcnutt...@gmail.com (bcnuttall) — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:30:27 UT

Continuing the hyperlink question thread: is there a way to add
multiple URLs to a contention/reason/objection box? I can only add
one.

Thanks.

Brandon Nuttall

Re: I can't get hyperlinks to work

daniel.a.pra...@gmail.com (Daniel Prager) — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:07:55 UT

Hi Nick

Can you post a sample file to supp...@austhink.com?

-- Dan

I can't get hyperlinks to work

nick.fry...@gmail.com (Nick Fryars) — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:24:02 UT

I can add a hyperlink to a claim, topic etc. but clicking on the topic
(when it shows a 'hand') has no effect. The hyperlink is there though
- I can still access and edit it.
Am I doing something wrong or is there a problem with this
functionality?

Web Enabled Version

lorenzo.s...@gmail.com (p2_intel) — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:54:47 UT

My organization would like to be be able to export your product across
multiple platforms. Do you have a web-enabled/Java version of
Rationale?

Re: Activation problem

alexandergar...@gmail.com (Alexander.Garber) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:56:21 UT

Hi Jimmy,

Thanks for telling us about this problem.
We have been investigating this problem for the last two weeks, but it
proved trickier than first expected. Apologies for not keeping you
updated.

Technical Support has sent you instructions on how to get Rationale
running again and we've replaced your lost activations. We'll

Activation problem

mindatw...@gmail.com (mindatwork) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:39:17 UT

We are using Rationale in our Critical Thinking course on a university
in the Netherlands, but we are having trouble with the license in our
shared computerroom. We activated Rationale on an image-pc and got a
popup message telling us that the license belongs to a different
machine. We then clicked "Ok - Activate" and everything worked fine,

Re: Who to contact regarding upgrade questions?

t...@austhink.com (Tim van Gelder Austhink) — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:27:05 UT

Circolo,
Perhaps I can explain things a little from the Austhink perspective.
It is true that some things have fallen through the cracks in terms of
responding to enquiries. I regret this has been frustrating for you. We do
think that most enquiries have been dealt with promptly, and are continually

New member and some questions

bcnutt...@gmail.com (bcnuttall) — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:45:08 UT

I am trying to improve my thinking and am evaluating Rationale for
possible purchase. I have a couple of questions.

Other than using a post-it as a comment and flag, is there a way to
indicate the type of logical fallacy embodied by an argument? I want
to designate a contention (and often its co-premise) a false

Re: Unfortunate pricing for Rational new Version 2.0.1.

fionaandrich...@gmail.com (fiona) — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 06:53:32 UT

The price is $29 for students using Rationale V2. for a course. Cheers
Fiona

Re: Who to contact regarding upgrade questions?

lutc...@gmail.com (lutchrd) — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:55:09 UT

The team at Austhink have been quite reasonable with activations.
There should not be a problem.

I've found the team to be very supportive.

Russell

Re: Jumble Map

clearthe...@fastmail.fm (John) — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 23:20:14 UT

Hi James,
Maybe this isn't what you are looking for, but just make sure to save
the map as you want it PRIOR to selecting "Jumble" and you'll still
have an intact version. If you forget to do this with a map you
created earlier, saved, reopened, and then jumbled, then just make
sure to NOT "save changes" upon exiting the file and you'll still have

Re: Who to contact regarding upgrade questions?

dam...@austhink.com (Damian) — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 06:00:06 UT

Dear iqu...,
Thank you for your inquiry.
Rationale licenses should enable 2 activations per license. So from
reading your inquiry it appears that you may in fact have three
activations that you could use to upgrade to Rationale 2. I hope this
is useful to you. In the future it is generally best to contact the

Jumble Map

jamesgswil...@gmail.com (James Wilson) — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:43:58 UT

I just tried the new Jumble Map feature on quite a large map I was
working on, only to find to my annoyance that you cannot undo it!

Can I suggest either that you either introduce an undo feature for
this, or that you warn the user before they jumble the map that this
action cannot be undone?

Who to contact regarding upgrade questions?

iqu...@yahoo.com (DC) — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:24:53 UT

Hi,

I tried to contact Austhink, both through the contact form, and by
replying to their 2.x advertisement in my inbox. But I haven't
received a response, and recall that this happened before, with
Austhink.

I just purchased an upgrade for one of my laptops from 1.x to 2.x.
But I also had a separate 1.x license on a previous laptop, which had

Rationale student licences $29 each Version 2

fionaandrich...@gmail.com (Fiona Patterson) — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 05:13:51 UT

To clarify the pricing for students - it is $29 for a perpetual licence
where Rationale is a stipulated learning tool. To receive this discount,
please contact rationale_sa...@austhink.com with details of your course and
a discount voucher will be created for your students.
cheers
Fiona

Unfortunate pricing for Rational new Version 2.0.1.

markus.kreu...@villanova.edu (Ludwig) — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:54:16 UT

I am looking forward trying out the latest Version of Rational. In the
past, I requested students to purchase a one year license which cost
under US$ 30. The price was a great attraction because I could assign
the software as just another book. I used it in a variety of books to
assist students with the paper writing process. However, the new price

Multiple links and connections

drester...@gmail.com (Historyman) — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:53:23 UT

Hi everyone,

I'd love to be able to connect multiple ideas to multiple nodes within
a mindmap. For example, I teach Modern History and many of the
features, concepts and issues we deal with can link to a variety of
other ideas in varying ways and to varying degrees.

Is Austhink developing a changable connector button/feature that will

Re: What is the latest version of Rationale?

t...@austhink.com (Tim van Gelder) — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:18:16 UT

To download the latest version without having to sign up again, you can
always just go to [link]
- Tim v.G.