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Re: Name for online space

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:14:44 UT

Hi Chris,
I think you should have probably made these changes to a new gg space
because, while the can be reversed, the previous setup has now been
changed. I would not have agreed to many of the changes you have made
because in my opinion many of them don't work.

To start with I think the amount of options on the welcome page are too many.

RE: Name for online space

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:13:52 UT

Hi Alex,

Another prob with gg is that is was 3 forums (fora). I think I have reduced it to 2 without losing anything. In fact I think it is better.

I have simplified things in some other ways too and have added the calendar (just as a potential aid, not as a requirement).

Have a look and tell me what you think.

Re: FW: KEYNOTE ADDRESS: NATIONAL HOUSING CONFERENCE - [NATIONAL NOTIFY 2037 - 2009, 30 NOVEMBER]

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:01:17 UT

Yes it would be good for NTW to have a say in this discussion paper.
There are also a number of comments in this speech that are worth
incorporating into our argument like the obvious need for higher
density development and the need for that development to be innovative
to respond to community resistance.

Re: FW: PUBLIC HOUSING BUYERS - [NATIONAL NEWS 9631 - 2009, 30 NOVEMBER]

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:33:32 UT

Hi Chris,
Yes this is a statement that certainly needs some response. It would
be a similar response to the one we were discussing a couple of weeks
back to Labors new policy of selling off public housing to tenants.
You emailed a couple of related papers from the Community Land Trust
stuff. I guess we need to consolidate those and any other points into

Re: Name for online space

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:13:50 UT

Hi Chris,
see below

2009/11/29 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:

Yes I think the way you have set up gg could work although the grou.ps
system is better because the categories link takes you to an actual
'index' of topics - that is you press the recipe category and you get
a list or index of recipes that you can also add to by sending a new

RE: Name for online space

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:37:01 UT

Hi Alex,

I've been playing with the grou.ps system and comparing it with gg.

Having initially been happier with the grou.ps system mainly because of the categories option I think I have found a way in gg to achieve the same (or better) See the latest at [link]

FW: PUBLIC HOUSING BUYERS - [NATIONAL NEWS 9631 - 2009, 30 NOVEMBER]

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:51:09 UT

Surely this is worth a response?
Chris
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PUBLIC HOUSING BUYERS
Thursday, 27 November, 2009
By Jeff Corbett
The Herald

Even when mortgage repayments are making us poor, buying a home is a mark of wealth. While we're plodding under the burden of repayments we keep going because we know we're buying financial and social independence, we know that the eventual upside is vastly more than the current downside. Unfortunately many people don't have this opportunity, and a great many of these people are public housing tenants. Worse, the negatives of public housing are likely to reduce the prospects of children, so public housing may become self perpetuating.

FW: KEYNOTE ADDRESS: NATIONAL HOUSING CONFERENCE - [NATIONAL NOTIFY 2037 - 2009, 30 NOVEMBER]

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:49:29 UT

I'm forwading this to NTW because it mentions another discussion paper (in Feb) that I think we should probably get into. (just search 'discussion paper')
Chris

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Re: Name for online space

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:50:56 UT

Hi Chris, see below

2009/11/27 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:

Yes I agree. By the way I have called this Village that is not the
name of the online application.

I have not yet looked into these features but I guess they could be
good. There are other features also but I removed them because I

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RE: Get organised

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:13:35 UT

Hi Alex,

The address is [link]

The are features that MIGHT help with organising, but it might be too complicated.

We certainly do need a 'calendar'
for job names to be sorted in to and a space where the job steps can be easily added, brought up at the click of a button and printed off as cards.

RE: Name for online space

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:52:21 UT

Hi Alex,

The village site looks like it may be a better bet - having a forum index and categories is a great benefit. What I did in gg was to use pages to achieve 'categories' - you create a page and comment on that page ... your comment becomes a posting.

The village page does the same (uses the same tech feature, but instead of just listing 'pages' it lists those pages in categories and gives an index (same thing, better organisation).

Re: Name for online space

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:31:08 UT

Hi Chris, can you provide a link for what you did with pages in gg
because I don't seem to be able to find it.

Beyond the embeded wiki pages that may help the get organised section,
it is also worth looking at [link] because of
what it can do with 'themes' - where topics are discussed within

Re: Get organised

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:22:51 UT

Hi Chris, can you provide the link for the calendars you linked to in
the pbWorks version (? 30 days?) ...so I can have a better look in
relation to the get organised section of the space.

Alex

2009/11/21 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:

Re: Name for online space

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:17:46 UT

Not yet will do soon
Alex

2009/11/23 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:

RE: Name for online space

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:55:41 UT

Hi Alex

I wrote in an earlier email that I thought we could do something with 'pages' in GG. Have you had another look at what I did in the Hope Street Blaxland gg forum with pages - I think it could work.

Chris

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Re: Name for online space

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:17:12 UT

Yes, I think there are a number of changes to come so we should just
keep [link] for now. Because of our problems
with gg (need for themes and need for better get organised technology)
I have been experimenting with some different forum technology.
Because the space needs to make themes like events, resources, recipes

Re: Poster

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:06:01 UT

Hi Chris, I've used your draft of the poster/flyer for now as a
template online. It is linked from step 5 in
[link] as an editable
word document.
Alex

2009/11/22 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:

RE: Poster

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:57:42 UT

oops for got the attachment

Chris

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Hi Alex,
The poster is attached. The way I have been using it as you know is to print an A4 version as a poster and an A6 version for specific events.

I haven't tried to create a template for A6 - I just use the scaling function in print options to print an A6 copy.

RE: Survey

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:55:59 UT

Hi Alex,

the address is [link]

It might be worth incorporating at some stage.

Chris

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RE: Resources List

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:35:21 UT

Hi Alex,

I had a look at whirlpool - must say it did not look as accessible as ours does now. Problem is that ours might soon look messy.

On google we might be able to use 'pages' as a way to separate and list some discussion topics??

Chris

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RE: Name for online space

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:07:03 UT

Hi Alex,

Yep - I understood that the idea was to call it 'village' - that would mean we were village people even if we didn't call ourselves that.

I'm happy with 'village' - the only thing I am concerned about is making another change to the address. Perhaps we should avoid another change unless we can settle on a name once and for all. I'm also thinking that if we do need to change technology we might then need another change to the address.

RE: Poster

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:59:15 UT

Hi Alex,

The poster is attached. The way I have been using it as you know is to print an A4 version as a poster and an A6 version for specific events.

I haven't tried to create a template for A6 - I just use the scaling function in print options to print an A6 copy.

Chris

Re: Poster

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:45:14 UT

Hi Chris, Could you send your current poster to me as an attachment so
that I can look at it and develop from there.
Alex

2009/11/20 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:

Re: Name for online space

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:43:49 UT

Hi Chris, While it is little surprise to me that 'Village People' have
an appeal to you (jesting) ...I was actually suggesting the name
'Village' only. I think that calling it simply Village could take an
old and almost redundant word into the modern world - particularly
when associated with an online application like ours. It is not

Re: Resources List

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:25:15 UT

Hi Chris, It seems that people might want to use talking point to
discuss any number of themes recipes, plants, bikes etc.. It would be
good if such themes could be asserted somehow so that they aren't just
lost in millions of discussions and various naming of topics.

If people arrived at the space and saw a list of themes like events,

Re: Get organised

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:11:36 UT

When I get my head into the Get Organised part of this I'll certainly
have a closer look at that calendar.
Alex

2009/11/20 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:

Re: Survey

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:08:13 UT

OK - I agree this could be left for now. I just thought it may be a
way to help get new ideas out in the neighbourhood. People can be
reluctant to put their ideas out there and these questions were
designed to draw people out.
Alex

2009/11/20 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:

RE: Survey

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:20:24 UT

Hi Alex,

There may be some advantages to this, but it is a com-plication and we haven't understood just how complex we will need to make the site yet (recipes/resources/??) Too many links and tasks would turn people off and a survey is something people don't necessarily respond to warmly - it is not to their advantage to be bothered with what they might see as clutter. My advice would be to tread warily on this until we are better sorted.

RE: Get organised

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:16:18 UT

Hi Alex,

I think to get what we want we would need a program writer. That said, the calendars I linked to in the pbWorks version (? 30 days?) is worth better consideration I think. It is limited, but it would be a starting point and there may be other 'calendars'.

Chris

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RE: Sceptics and Believers

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:12:15 UT

Hi Alex,

I'll continue working on it. Initially all I wanted was to get some thoughts down like in a paper. Because of the timing pressure I have been happy enough to send it off to TSN and Community Builders, but it could evolve into an Opinion piece for the Herald ... then into a letter to the editor ... who knows then even into a placard like repent and be saved or something (hee hee).

RE: Resources List

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:07:49 UT

Hi Alex,

Fine.

There are other things we will want to incorporate - this could start to be a problem unless we get a good way to keep expanding. For example I would like to incorporate a 'cheap and easy recipes' post that does not disappear into the depths. Whether that is another priority post or a link I don't know... but we should think about such things.

RE: Name for online space

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:02:39 UT

Hi Alex,

Yes I agree the name needs thought - we also need to settlle on something soon because people are starting to use the forum now. The idea of being known as village people has an an appeal for me. I don't think My Area works - the best that can be said of it is that it is short.

Chris

RE: Poster

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:59:22 UT

Hi Alex

Something along the lines of the one we are currently using you mean - with the space name sorted. I haven't got access to that layout until I go back to work on Monday, but it is basically the poster scaled back to A6 like the event cards that are also on the notice board.

If you have something substantially different in mind perhaps you could send a draft.

Survey

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:37:51 UT

Hi Chris,
You can probably tell I didn't sleep very well last night....one more
thought. What about adding an online survey to draw people into the
space and help to find common topics of interest. We could use the 3
question structure of that video you found with a survey monkey linked
from Talking Point. What were those questions again?

Get organised

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:33:16 UT

Hi Chris,
This part of the project seems to be a project in itself. While the
way we have it set up will allow people to begin a topic and for those
topics to be listed well and for then to develop the description and
the basic jobs with others and then to develop them by using the
suggestions in the priority post, the space of course does not do

Poster

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:26:08 UT

Hi Chris,
I was thinking that we need to develop a generic black and white A6
(1/4 of A4) Flyer that provides a pitch for the space and some of the
things that can be organised in it with a blank for a few local
topical events that can be filled in by any street. Peopl could use
this flyer to letter box drop or as a poster or as just a face to face

Name for online space

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:16:47 UT

Hi Chris,
We don't have something to call this online space. I was thinking last
night about this and I thought of calling the whole thing the
Co-operator but then another thought came to me. It might seem a
little stange at first but what about calling the whole thing simply
'VILLAGE'. It is a nicer word than the Co-operator and has the right

Resources List

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:05:07 UT

Hi Chris,
We also need a place for a resource list. So that resources like
Freecycle and the hall at the Neighbourhood centre and the computers
at the library and the toy library can be advertised. This could be a
priority post in the events page because they would largely be
stagnant services that could just remain there.

Re: Sceptics and Believers

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:00:49 UT

OK - it certainly gets there - but paras 2 and 3 a very repetitive -
they should at least be made one para. You may also get it into the
papers like the Herald if you can do a version of around 250 words. I
think this would be the widest forum for such a letter. With an letter
this short you could also blog with it. I know it's hard to sacrifice

RE: Sceptics and Believers

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:30:01 UT

Hi Alex,

I have tried to change the article according to some of your suggestions which have improved it - others need more work but I would prefer to get something out there today as it will be less of a media issue inside a couple of days when the parliament concludes its debate. The new version is attached.

Re: FW: Sceptics and Believers

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:19:53 UT

Hi Chris, this is shapping up to be a really good article but I think
that if it could be developed a little more. I've made some comments
in the attached.
Alex

2009/11/17 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:

FW: Sceptics and Believers

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:52:29 UT

Hi Alex,
Just thought I'd do something on this issue since it is going down the gurgler in parliament this and next week. See attached
Chris

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Re: Links to the Google group

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:50:16 UT

OK - Done

2009/11/17 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:

RE: Links to the Google group

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:01:33 UT

Hi Alex,

re [link]

Just in case the address gets used, can you replace the welcome message there with

This page is under reconstruction.
To connect to the new Hope Street site
CLICK HERE

Chris

RE: Links to the Google group

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 05:44:15 UT

Sorry - done

Chris

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Re: Links to the Google group

akme.baum...@gmail.com (Alex Baumann) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:44:47 UT

I don't have edit access to this gg. I tried both the NTW sign in and
mine. All you have to do is 1. press 'edit' in the welcome message
2. highlight what you want linked to the new gg,
3. press the link option in the tool bar options.
4. You then slect to link to a web URL
5. copy and paste the URL from the new Hope St TP page here.

RE: Links to the Google group

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:19:12 UT

Hi Alex,

Can you create a link from [link]

This is the address I had promoted on Communitynet see [link]

Chris

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RE: Links to the Google group

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:03:31 UT

Suddenly it works! (and I am still using the same computer)

Chris

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Update on recent NTW

chrisbaul...@hotmail.com (Chris Baulman) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:01:24 UT

Hi Peta,
This update is about what NTW has been up to during your 4 week holiday absence.
Chris

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