> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> > Hi Alex, see attached
> > Chris
> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow - is 10 or 10.30
> > about right?
> > ________________________________
> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> > Hi Alex, see attached
> > Chris
> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow - is 10 or 10.30
> > about right?
> > ________________________________
> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
>> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> > Hi Alex, see attached
>> > Chris
>> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow - is 10 or
>> > 10.30
>> > about right?
>> > ________________________________
>> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> > Hi Alex, see attached
> > Chris
> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow - is 10 or 10.30
> > about right?
> > ________________________________
> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
>> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> > Hi Alex, see attached
>> > Chris
>> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow - is 10 or
>> > 10.30
>> > about right?
>> > ________________________________
>> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
> ________________________________
> Find out how here Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox
> ________________________________
> Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
Hi Chris
The pathways seem to include
1. hope st - poster refers people to easy address where they can chat,
see what's on, add to what's on and cooperate effectively (the
co-operator)
2. The my neighbourhood page is for people wanting to set up their own
process. This should contain an intro, an example(perhaps Hope St or
perhaps a stagnant example), instructions and templates (this could be
promoted by community builders)
Does this cover it? 2. would seem to work for people who just want to
see the merit of the idea like Peta etc.
> 2009/10/8 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> Hi Alex - I sent you the wrong attachment yesterday - could you load the one
>> attached now.
>> Thanks Chris
>> ________________________________
>> From: chrisbaul...@hotmail.com
>> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Sorry - My Neighbourhood page
>> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:01:45 +1000
>> Sorry Alex - cancel that last reload because there is a mistake in it. The
>> attached is corrected.
>> Chris
>>> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 04:49:30 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
>>> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>>> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>>> > Hi Alex, see attached
>>> > Chris
>>> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow - is 10 or
>>> > 10.30
>>> > about right?
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
>> ________________________________
>> Find out how here Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox
>> ________________________________
>> Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
I suspect that the Cooperator PBworks page could be combined into the Myneighbourhood PBworks page.
Visitors to these two workspaces can read & comment only - they can't edit because the info in them needs to remain intact.
Visitors come from a variety of locations including CDW's, Hope St. neighbours, other neighbourhoods or SHG's .... and from a variety of situations including novices, those who are already chatting on-line, etc
> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:17:39 -0700
> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> Hi Chris
> The pathways seem to include
> 1. hope st - poster refers people to easy address where they can chat,
> see what's on, add to what's on and cooperate effectively (the
> co-operator)
> 2. The my neighbourhood page is for people wanting to set up their own
> process. This should contain an intro, an example(perhaps Hope St or
> perhaps a stagnant example), instructions and templates (this could be
> promoted by community builders)
> Does this cover it? 2. would seem to work for people who just want to
> see the merit of the idea like Peta etc.
> Alex
> 2009/10/11 Alex Baumann <akme.baum...@gmail.com>:
> > ok - see new
> > 2009/10/8 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> Hi Alex - I sent you the wrong attachment yesterday - could you load the one
> >> attached now.
> >> Thanks Chris
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: chrisbaul...@hotmail.com
> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Sorry - My Neighbourhood page
> >> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:01:45 +1000
> >> Sorry Alex - cancel that last reload because there is a mistake in it. The
> >> attached is corrected.
> >> Chris
> >>> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> >>> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 04:49:30 -0700
> >>> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> >>> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> >>> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >>> > Hi Alex, see attached
> >>> > Chris
> >>> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow - is 10 or
> >>> > 10.30
> >>> > about right?
> >>> > ________________________________
> >>> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
> >> ________________________________
> >> Find out how here Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox
> >> ________________________________
> >> Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
This is the address that I would promote through the posters. It's not the simplest address, but we could use your idea of 'tear offs' - no address will be simple enough anyhow.
One thing that I am keen to keep in mind is that ultimately this is also about bringing people to NTW, so at least this address makes that connection.
Once visitors are familiar with the site/s they are likely to bookmark the page they want to use and go straight to their PBworks page or GG or whatever.
The 2 PBworks addresses should give protection against editing of the pages at myneighbourhood.pbworks as 'read only' as well as full editing ownership by neighbours of hopestreet.pbworks. Other info that we link to is either in GG or NTW and is thus protected.
I've made the changes you suggested. Let me know what you think. I'm about to start working on the presentation to LETS and of course this will all be part of that.
> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:17:39 -0700
> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> Hi Chris
> The pathways seem to include
> 1. hope st - poster refers people to easy address where they can chat,
> see what's on, add to what's on and cooperate effectively (the
> co-operator)
> 2. The my neighbourhood page is for people wanting to set up their own
> process. This should contain an intro, an example(perhaps Hope St or
> perhaps a stagnant example), instructions and templates (this could be
> promoted by community builders)
> Does this cover it? 2. would seem to work for people who just want to
> see the merit of the idea like Peta etc.
> Alex
> 2009/10/11 Alex Baumann <akme.baum...@gmail.com>:
> > ok - see new
> > 2009/10/8 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> Hi Alex - I sent you the wrong attachment yesterday - could you load the one
> >> attached now.
> >> Thanks Chris
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: chrisbaul...@hotmail.com
> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Sorry - My Neighbourhood page
> >> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:01:45 +1000
> >> Sorry Alex - cancel that last reload because there is a mistake in it. The
> >> attached is corrected.
> >> Chris
> >>> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> >>> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 04:49:30 -0700
> >>> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> >>> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> >>> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >>> > Hi Alex, see attached
> >>> > Chris
> >>> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow - is 10 or
> >>> > 10.30
> >>> > about right?
> >>> > ________________________________
> >>> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
> >> ________________________________
> >> Find out how here Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox
> >> ________________________________
> >> Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
Hi Chris,
This all seems to be coming together well. Just a small point on
http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm. From what I have heard it is
basic web etiquette that only links should be underlined on webpages.
Otherwise people think that they should be active links.
I was also thinking that the emphasis on Hope St on this page is a bit
strange considering that it is an arrival point for anyone interested
in using the process. I know you invite other streets to submit their
address but this would soon become unworkable as more and more people
did it and the generic stuff like the templates was lost. I was
thinking it might work better to shift the emphasis a bit.
See attached idea
Alex
2009/10/13 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> This is the address that I would promote through the posters. It's not the
> simplest address, but we could use your idea of 'tear offs' - no address
> will be simple enough anyhow.
> One thing that I am keen to keep in mind is that ultimately this is also
> about bringing people to NTW, so at least this address makes that
> connection.
> Once visitors are familiar with the site/s they are likely to bookmark the
> page they want to use and go straight to their PBworks page or GG or
> whatever.
> The 2 PBworks addresses should give protection against editing of the pages
> at myneighbourhood.pbworks as 'read only' as well as full editing ownership
> by neighbours of hopestreet.pbworks. Other info that we link to is either
> in GG or NTW and is thus protected.
> I've made the changes you suggested. Let me know what you think. I'm about
> to start working on the presentation to LETS and of course this will all be
> part of that.
>> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
>> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:17:39 -0700
>> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
>> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>> Hi Chris
>> The pathways seem to include
>> 1. hope st - poster refers people to easy address where they can chat,
>> see what's on, add to what's on and cooperate effectively (the
>> co-operator)
>> 2. The my neighbourhood page is for people wanting to set up their own
>> process. This should contain an intro, an example(perhaps Hope St or
>> perhaps a stagnant example), instructions and templates (this could be
>> promoted by community builders)
>> Does this cover it? 2. would seem to work for people who just want to
>> see the merit of the idea like Peta etc.
>> Alex
>> 2009/10/11 Alex Baumann <akme.baum...@gmail.com>:
>> > ok - see new
>> > 2009/10/8 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> >> Hi Alex - I sent you the wrong attachment yesterday - could you load
>> >> the one
>> >> attached now.
>> >> Thanks Chris
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: chrisbaul...@hotmail.com
>> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>> >> Subject: Sorry - My Neighbourhood page
>> >> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:01:45 +1000
>> >> Sorry Alex - cancel that last reload because there is a mistake in it.
>> >> The
>> >> attached is corrected.
>> >> Chris
>> >>> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
>> >>> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 04:49:30 -0700
>> >>> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
>> >>> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>> >>> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> >>> > Hi Alex, see attached
>> >>> > Chris
>> >>> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow - is 10
>> >>> > or
>> >>> > 10.30
>> >>> > about right?
>> >>> > ________________________________
>> >>> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> Find out how here Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:43:37 -0700
> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> Hi Chris,
> This all seems to be coming together well. Just a small point on
> http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm. From what I have heard it is
> basic web etiquette that only links should be underlined on webpages.
> Otherwise people think that they should be active links.
Yep - ok.
> I was also thinking that the emphasis on Hope St on this page is a bit
> strange considering that it is an arrival point for anyone interested
> in using the process.
I reckon we need to get Hope Street going before anything. Hope St neighbours need an entry point. I don't think the one you suggest would be appropriate for them (See attached). In one way, perhaps two separate entry points would be better , but having a separate entry point for other neighbourhoods where they are referred back to the Hope Street example might tend to somewhat endorse the idea that a leader is required or that the technology is the property of NTW rather than of 'neighbours' eg. Hope Street (or your street) neighbours.
I know you invite other streets to submit their
> address but this would soon become unworkable as more and more people
> did it and the generic stuff like the templates was lost.
The templates would not get lost if the listings of neighbourhoods was at the foot of them would it? They would have to go past the 'instructions' to find their neighbourhood link in the list.
> thinking it might work better to shift the emphasis a bit.
> See attached idea
> Alex
> 2009/10/13 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> > Hi Alex,
> > I think I have the links, info and protections pretty right.
> > The main entry point would be http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm
> > This is the address that I would promote through the posters. It's not the
> > simplest address, but we could use your idea of 'tear offs' - no address
> > will be simple enough anyhow.
> > One thing that I am keen to keep in mind is that ultimately this is also
> > about bringing people to NTW, so at least this address makes that
> > connection.
> > Once visitors are familiar with the site/s they are likely to bookmark the
> > page they want to use and go straight to their PBworks page or GG or
> > whatever.
> > The 2 PBworks addresses should give protection against editing of the pages
> > at myneighbourhood.pbworks as 'read only' as well as full editing ownership
> > by neighbours of hopestreet.pbworks. Other info that we link to is either
> > in GG or NTW and is thus protected.
> > I've made the changes you suggested. Let me know what you think. I'm about
> > to start working on the presentation to LETS and of course this will all be
> > part of that.
> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> >> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:17:39 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> >> Hi Chris
> >> The pathways seem to include
> >> 1. hope st - poster refers people to easy address where they can chat,
> >> see what's on, add to what's on and cooperate effectively (the
> >> co-operator)
> >> 2. The my neighbourhood page is for people wanting to set up their own
> >> process. This should contain an intro, an example(perhaps Hope St or
> >> perhaps a stagnant example), instructions and templates (this could be
> >> promoted by community builders)
> >> Does this cover it? 2. would seem to work for people who just want to
> >> see the merit of the idea like Peta etc.
> >> Alex
> >> 2009/10/11 Alex Baumann <akme.baum...@gmail.com>:
> >> > ok - see new
> >> > 2009/10/8 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> >> Hi Alex - I sent you the wrong attachment yesterday - could you load
> >> >> the one
> >> >> attached now.
> >> >> Thanks Chris
> >> >>> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> >>> > Hi Alex, see attached
> >> >>> > Chris
> >> >>> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow - is 10
> >> >>> > or
> >> >>> > 10.30
> >> >>> > about right?
> >> >>> > ________________________________
> >> >>> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
> >> >> ________________________________
> >> >> Find out how here Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox
> >> >> ________________________________
> >> >> Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
>> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
>> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:43:37 -0700
>> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
>> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>> Hi Chris,
>> This all seems to be coming together well. Just a small point on
>> http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm. From what I have heard it is
>> basic web etiquette that only links should be underlined on webpages.
>> Otherwise people think that they should be active links.
> Yep - ok.
OK - I'll remove underlines that aren't links
>> I was also thinking that the emphasis on Hope St on this page is a bit
>> strange considering that it is an arrival point for anyone interested
>> in using the process.
> I reckon we need to get Hope Street going before anything. Hope St
> neighbours need an entry point. I don't think the one you suggest would be
> appropriate for them (See attached).
I thought we could just use the direct pbworks address for Hope St as
other neigbourhoods will need to do on their posters to their
neighbours.
The website address is just an entry point for any new neighbourhoods
or community workers or whatever that can be used on sites like
Community Builders.
> In one way, perhaps two separate entry
> points would be better , but having a separate entry point for other
> neighbourhoods where they are referred back to the Hope Street example might
> tend to somewhat endorse the idea that a leader is required or that the
> technology is the property of NTW rather than of 'neighbours' eg. Hope
> Street (or your street) neighbours.
I'm not really understanding your concern here.
> I know you invite other streets to submit their
>> address but this would soon become unworkable as more and more people
>> did it and the generic stuff like the templates was lost.
> The templates would not get lost if the listings of neighbourhoods was at
> the foot of them would it? They would have to go past the 'instructions' to
> find their neighbourhood link in the list.
OK
> I was
>> thinking it might work better to shift the emphasis a bit.
>> See attached idea
I have responded to your points and re-attached the document
>> 2009/10/13 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> > Hi Alex,
>> > I think I have the links, info and protections pretty right.
>> > The main entry point would be http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm
>> > This is the address that I would promote through the posters. It's not
>> > the
>> > simplest address, but we could use your idea of 'tear offs' - no address
>> > will be simple enough anyhow.
>> > One thing that I am keen to keep in mind is that ultimately this is also
>> > about bringing people to NTW, so at least this address makes that
>> > connection.
>> > Once visitors are familiar with the site/s they are likely to bookmark
>> > the
>> > page they want to use and go straight to their PBworks page or GG or
>> > whatever.
>> > The 2 PBworks addresses should give protection against editing of the
>> > pages
>> > at myneighbourhood.pbworks as 'read only' as well as full editing
>> > ownership
>> > by neighbours of hopestreet.pbworks. Other info that we link to is
>> > either
>> > in GG or NTW and is thus protected.
>> > I've made the changes you suggested. Let me know what you think. I'm
>> > about
>> > to start working on the presentation to LETS and of course this will all
>> > be
>> > part of that.
>> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
>> >> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:17:39 -0700
>> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
>> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>> >> Hi Chris
>> >> The pathways seem to include
>> >> 1. hope st - poster refers people to easy address where they can chat,
>> >> see what's on, add to what's on and cooperate effectively (the
>> >> co-operator)
>> >> 2. The my neighbourhood page is for people wanting to set up their own
>> >> process. This should contain an intro, an example(perhaps Hope St or
>> >> perhaps a stagnant example), instructions and templates (this could be
>> >> promoted by community builders)
>> >> Does this cover it? 2. would seem to work for people who just want to
>> >> see the merit of the idea like Peta etc.
>> >> Alex
>> >> 2009/10/11 Alex Baumann <akme.baum...@gmail.com>:
>> >> > ok - see new
>> >> > 2009/10/8 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> >> >> Hi Alex - I sent you the wrong attachment yesterday - could you load
>> >> >> the one
>> >> >> attached now.
>> >> >> Thanks Chris
>> >> >>> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> >> >>> > Hi Alex, see attached
>> >> >>> > Chris
>> >> >>> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow - is
>> >> >>> > 10
>> >> >>> > or
>> >> >>> > 10.30
>> >> >>> > about right?
>> >> >>> > ________________________________
>> >> >>> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
>> >> >> ________________________________
>> >> >> Find out how here Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox
>> >> >> ________________________________
>> >> >> Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
> 2009/10/19 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> Hi Alex,
>> see below
>> Chris
>>> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
>>> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:43:37 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
>>> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>>> Hi Chris,
>>> This all seems to be coming together well. Just a small point on
>>> http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm. From what I have heard it is
>>> basic web etiquette that only links should be underlined on webpages.
>>> Otherwise people think that they should be active links.
>> Yep - ok.
> OK - I'll remove underlines that aren't links
>>> I was also thinking that the emphasis on Hope St on this page is a bit
>>> strange considering that it is an arrival point for anyone interested
>>> in using the process.
>> I reckon we need to get Hope Street going before anything. Hope St
>> neighbours need an entry point. I don't think the one you suggest would be
>> appropriate for them (See attached).
> I thought we could just use the direct pbworks address for Hope St as
> other neigbourhoods will need to do on their posters to their
> neighbours.
> The website address is just an entry point for any new neighbourhoods
> or community workers or whatever that can be used on sites like
> Community Builders.
>> In one way, perhaps two separate entry
>> points would be better , but having a separate entry point for other
>> neighbourhoods where they are referred back to the Hope Street example might
>> tend to somewhat endorse the idea that a leader is required or that the
>> technology is the property of NTW rather than of 'neighbours' eg. Hope
>> Street (or your street) neighbours.
> I'm not really understanding your concern here.
>> I know you invite other streets to submit their
>>> address but this would soon become unworkable as more and more people
>>> did it and the generic stuff like the templates was lost.
>> The templates would not get lost if the listings of neighbourhoods was at
>> the foot of them would it? They would have to go past the 'instructions' to
>> find their neighbourhood link in the list.
> OK
>> I was
>>> thinking it might work better to shift the emphasis a bit.
>>> See attached idea
> I have responded to your points and re-attached the document
>>> Alex
>>> 2009/10/13 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>>> > Hi Alex,
>>> > I think I have the links, info and protections pretty right.
>>> > The main entry point would be http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm
>>> > This is the address that I would promote through the posters. It's not
>>> > the
>>> > simplest address, but we could use your idea of 'tear offs' - no address
>>> > will be simple enough anyhow.
>>> > One thing that I am keen to keep in mind is that ultimately this is also
>>> > about bringing people to NTW, so at least this address makes that
>>> > connection.
>>> > Once visitors are familiar with the site/s they are likely to bookmark
>>> > the
>>> > page they want to use and go straight to their PBworks page or GG or
>>> > whatever.
>>> > The 2 PBworks addresses should give protection against editing of the
>>> > pages
>>> > at myneighbourhood.pbworks as 'read only' as well as full editing
>>> > ownership
>>> > by neighbours of hopestreet.pbworks. Other info that we link to is
>>> > either
>>> > in GG or NTW and is thus protected.
>>> > I've made the changes you suggested. Let me know what you think. I'm
>>> > about
>>> > to start working on the presentation to LETS and of course this will all
>>> > be
>>> > part of that.
>>> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
>>> >> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:17:39 -0700
>>> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
>>> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>>> >> Hi Chris
>>> >> The pathways seem to include
>>> >> 1. hope st - poster refers people to easy address where they can chat,
>>> >> see what's on, add to what's on and cooperate effectively (the
>>> >> co-operator)
>>> >> 2. The my neighbourhood page is for people wanting to set up their own
>>> >> process. This should contain an intro, an example(perhaps Hope St or
>>> >> perhaps a stagnant example), instructions and templates (this could be
>>> >> promoted by community builders)
>>> >> Does this cover it? 2. would seem to work for people who just want to
>>> >> see the merit of the idea like Peta etc.
>>> >> Alex
>>> >> 2009/10/11 Alex Baumann <akme.baum...@gmail.com>:
>>> >> > ok - see new
>>> >> > 2009/10/8 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>>> >> >> Hi Alex - I sent you the wrong attachment yesterday - could you load
>>> >> >> the one
>>> >> >> attached now.
>>> >> >> Thanks Chris
>>> >> >> Sorry Alex - cancel that last reload because there is a mistake in
>>> >> >> it.
>>> >> >> The
>>> >> >> attached is corrected.
>>> >> >> Chris
>>> >> >>> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
>>> >> >>> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 04:49:30 -0700
>>> >> >>> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
>>> >> >>> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>>> >> >>> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>>> >> >>> > Hi Alex, see attached
>>> >> >>> > Chris
>>> >> >>> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow - is
>>> >> >>> > 10
>>> >> >>> > or
>>> >> >>> > 10.30
>>> >> >>> > about right?
>>> >> >>> > ________________________________
>>> >> >>> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
>>> >> >> ________________________________
>>> >> >> Find out how here Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox
>>> >> >> ________________________________
>>> >> >> Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
> 1. Removed underline
> 2. deleted option 3
> 3. moved the 'list your neighbourhood' option to the bottom and added
> Hope ST - Blaxland to it.
> Alex
> 2009/10/21 Alex Baumann <akme.baum...@gmail.com>:
> > Hi Chris, see below
> > 2009/10/19 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> Hi Alex,
> >> see below
> >> Chris
> >>> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> >>> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:43:37 -0700
> >>> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> >>> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> >>> Hi Chris,
> >>> This all seems to be coming together well. Just a small point on
> >>> http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm. From what I have heard it is
> >>> basic web etiquette that only links should be underlined on webpages.
> >>> Otherwise people think that they should be active links.
> >> Yep - ok.
> > OK - I'll remove underlines that aren't links
> >>> I was also thinking that the emphasis on Hope St on this page is a bit
> >>> strange considering that it is an arrival point for anyone interested
> >>> in using the process.
> >> I reckon we need to get Hope Street going before anything. Hope St
> >> neighbours need an entry point. I don't think the one you suggest would be
> >> appropriate for them (See attached).
> > I thought we could just use the direct pbworks address for Hope St as
> > other neigbourhoods will need to do on their posters to their
> > neighbours.
> > The website address is just an entry point for any new neighbourhoods
> > or community workers or whatever that can be used on sites like
> > Community Builders.
> >> In one way, perhaps two separate entry
> >> points would be better , but having a separate entry point for other
> >> neighbourhoods where they are referred back to the Hope Street example might
> >> tend to somewhat endorse the idea that a leader is required or that the
> >> technology is the property of NTW rather than of 'neighbours' eg. Hope
> >> Street (or your street) neighbours.
> > I'm not really understanding your concern here.
> >> I know you invite other streets to submit their
> >>> address but this would soon become unworkable as more and more people
> >>> did it and the generic stuff like the templates was lost.
> >> The templates would not get lost if the listings of neighbourhoods was at
> >> the foot of them would it? They would have to go past the 'instructions' to
> >> find their neighbourhood link in the list.
> > OK
> >> I was
> >>> thinking it might work better to shift the emphasis a bit.
> >>> See attached idea
> > I have responded to your points and re-attached the document
> >>> Alex
> >>> 2009/10/13 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >>> > Hi Alex,
> >>> > I think I have the links, info and protections pretty right.
> >>> > The main entry point would be http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm
> >>> > This is the address that I would promote through the posters. It's not
> >>> > the
> >>> > simplest address, but we could use your idea of 'tear offs' - no address
> >>> > will be simple enough anyhow.
> >>> > One thing that I am keen to keep in mind is that ultimately this is also
> >>> > about bringing people to NTW, so at least this address makes that
> >>> > connection.
> >>> > Once visitors are familiar with the site/s they are likely to bookmark
> >>> > the
> >>> > page they want to use and go straight to their PBworks page or GG or
> >>> > whatever.
> >>> > The 2 PBworks addresses should give protection against editing of the
> >>> > pages
> >>> > at myneighbourhood.pbworks as 'read only' as well as full editing
> >>> > ownership
> >>> > by neighbours of hopestreet.pbworks. Other info that we link to is
> >>> > either
> >>> > in GG or NTW and is thus protected.
> >>> > I've made the changes you suggested. Let me know what you think. I'm
> >>> > about
> >>> > to start working on the presentation to LETS and of course this will all
> >>> > be
> >>> > part of that.
> >>> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> >>> >> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:17:39 -0700
> >>> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> >>> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> >>> >> Hi Chris
> >>> >> The pathways seem to include
> >>> >> 1. hope st - poster refers people to easy address where they can chat,
> >>> >> see what's on, add to what's on and cooperate effectively (the
> >>> >> co-operator)
> >>> >> 2. The my neighbourhood page is for people wanting to set up their own
> >>> >> process. This should contain an intro, an example(perhaps Hope St or
> >>> >> perhaps a stagnant example), instructions and templates (this could be
> >>> >> promoted by community builders)
> >>> >> Does this cover it? 2. would seem to work for people who just want to
> >>> >> see the merit of the idea like Peta etc.
> >>> >> Alex
> >>> >> 2009/10/11 Alex Baumann <akme.baum...@gmail.com>:
> >>> >> > ok - see new
> >>> >> > 2009/10/8 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >>> >> >> Hi Alex - I sent you the wrong attachment yesterday - could you load
> >>> >> >> the one
> >>> >> >> attached now.
> >>> >> >> Thanks Chris
> >>> >> >> Sorry Alex - cancel that last reload because there is a mistake in
> >>> >> >> it.
> >>> >> >> The
> >>> >> >> attached is corrected.
> >>> >> >> Chris
> >>> >> >>> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >>> >> >>> > Hi Alex, see attached
> >>> >> >>> > Chris
> >>> >> >>> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow - is
> >>> >> >>> > 10
> >>> >> >>> > or
> >>> >> >>> > 10.30
> >>> >> >>> > about right?
> >>> >> >>> > ________________________________
> >>> >> >>> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
> >>> >> >> ________________________________
> >>> >> >> Find out how here Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox
> >>> >> >> ________________________________
> >>> >> >> Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
> 1. Removed underline
> 2. deleted option 3
> 3. moved the 'list your neighbourhood' option to the bottom and added
> Hope ST - Blaxland to it.
> Alex
> 2009/10/21 Alex Baumann <akme.baum...@gmail.com>:
> > Hi Chris, see below
> > 2009/10/19 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> Hi Alex,
> >> see below
> >> Chris
> >>> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> >>> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:43:37 -0700
> >>> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> >>> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> >>> Hi Chris,
> >>> This all seems to be coming together well. Just a small point on
> >>> http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm. From what I have heard it is
> >>> basic web etiquette that only links should be underlined on webpages.
> >>> Otherwise people think that they should be active links.
> >> Yep - ok.
> > OK - I'll remove underlines that aren't links
> >>> I was also thinking that the emphasis on Hope St on this page is a bit
> >>> strange considering that it is an arrival point for anyone interested
> >>> in using the process.
> >> I reckon we need to get Hope Street going before anything. Hope St
> >> neighbours need an entry point. I don't think the one you suggest would be
> >> appropriate for them (See attached).
> > I thought we could just use the direct pbworks address for Hope St as
> > other neigbourhoods will need to do on their posters to their
> > neighbours.
> > The website address is just an entry point for any new neighbourhoods
> > or community workers or whatever that can be used on sites like
> > Community Builders.
> >> In one way, perhaps two separate entry
> >> points would be better , but having a separate entry point for other
> >> neighbourhoods where they are referred back to the Hope Street example might
> >> tend to somewhat endorse the idea that a leader is required or that the
> >> technology is the property of NTW rather than of 'neighbours' eg. Hope
> >> Street (or your street) neighbours.
> > I'm not really understanding your concern here.
> >> I know you invite other streets to submit their
> >>> address but this would soon become unworkable as more and more people
> >>> did it and the generic stuff like the templates was lost.
> >> The templates would not get lost if the listings of neighbourhoods was at
> >> the foot of them would it? They would have to go past the 'instructions' to
> >> find their neighbourhood link in the list.
> > OK
> >> I was
> >>> thinking it might work better to shift the emphasis a bit.
> >>> See attached idea
> > I have responded to your points and re-attached the document
> >>> Alex
> >>> 2009/10/13 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >>> > Hi Alex,
> >>> > I think I have the links, info and protections pretty right.
> >>> > The main entry point would be http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm
> >>> > This is the address that I would promote through the posters. It's not
> >>> > the
> >>> > simplest address, but we could use your idea of 'tear offs' - no address
> >>> > will be simple enough anyhow.
> >>> > One thing that I am keen to keep in mind is that ultimately this is also
> >>> > about bringing people to NTW, so at least this address makes that
> >>> > connection.
> >>> > Once visitors are familiar with the site/s they are likely to bookmark
> >>> > the
> >>> > page they want to use and go straight to their PBworks page or GG or
> >>> > whatever.
> >>> > The 2 PBworks addresses should give protection against editing of the
> >>> > pages
> >>> > at myneighbourhood.pbworks as 'read only' as well as full editing
> >>> > ownership
> >>> > by neighbours of hopestreet.pbworks. Other info that we link to is
> >>> > either
> >>> > in GG or NTW and is thus protected.
> >>> > I've made the changes you suggested. Let me know what you think. I'm
> >>> > about
> >>> > to start working on the presentation to LETS and of course this will all
> >>> > be
> >>> > part of that.
> >>> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> >>> >> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:17:39 -0700
> >>> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> >>> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> >>> >> Hi Chris
> >>> >> The pathways seem to include
> >>> >> 1. hope st - poster refers people to easy address where they can chat,
> >>> >> see what's on, add to what's on and cooperate effectively (the
> >>> >> co-operator)
> >>> >> 2. The my neighbourhood page is for people wanting to set up their own
> >>> >> process. This should contain an intro, an example(perhaps Hope St or
> >>> >> perhaps a stagnant example), instructions and templates (this could be
> >>> >> promoted by community builders)
> >>> >> Does this cover it? 2. would seem to work for people who just want to
> >>> >> see the merit of the idea like Peta etc.
> >>> >> Alex
> >>> >> 2009/10/11 Alex Baumann <akme.baum...@gmail.com>:
> >>> >> > ok - see new
> >>> >> > 2009/10/8 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >>> >> >> Hi Alex - I sent you the wrong attachment yesterday - could you load
> >>> >> >> the one
> >>> >> >> attached now.
> >>> >> >> Thanks Chris
> >>> >> >> Sorry Alex - cancel that last reload because there is a mistake in
> >>> >> >> it.
> >>> >> >> The
> >>> >> >> attached is corrected.
> >>> >> >> Chris
> >>> >> >>> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >>> >> >>> > Hi Alex, see attached
> >>> >> >>> > Chris
> >>> >> >>> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow - is
> >>> >> >>> > 10
> >>> >> >>> > or
> >>> >> >>> > 10.30
> >>> >> >>> > about right?
> >>> >> >>> > ________________________________
> >>> >> >>> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
> >>> >> >> ________________________________
> >>> >> >> Find out how here Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox
> >>> >> >> ________________________________
> >>> >> >> Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
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>> 1. Removed underline
>> 2. deleted option 3
>> 3. moved the 'list your neighbourhood' option to the bottom and added
>> Hope ST - Blaxland to it.
>> Alex
>> 2009/10/21 Alex Baumann <akme.baum...@gmail.com>:
>> > Hi Chris, see below
>> > 2009/10/19 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> >> Hi Alex,
>> >> see below
>> >> Chris
>> >>> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
>> >>> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:43:37 -0700
>> >>> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
>> >>> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>> >>> Hi Chris,
>> >>> This all seems to be coming together well. Just a small point on
>> >>> http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm. From what I have heard it is
>> >>> basic web etiquette that only links should be underlined on webpages.
>> >>> Otherwise people think that they should be active links.
>> >> Yep - ok.
>> > OK - I'll remove underlines that aren't links
>> >>> I was also thinking that the emphasis on Hope St on this page is a bit
>> >>> strange considering that it is an arrival point for anyone interested
>> >>> in using the process.
>> >> I reckon we need to get Hope Street going before anything. Hope St
>> >> neighbours need an entry point. I don't think the one you suggest would
>> >> be
>> >> appropriate for them (See attached).
>> > I thought we could just use the direct pbworks address for Hope St as
>> > other neigbourhoods will need to do on their posters to their
>> > neighbours.
>> > The website address is just an entry point for any new neighbourhoods
>> > or community workers or whatever that can be used on sites like
>> > Community Builders.
>> >> In one way, perhaps two separate entry
>> >> points would be better , but having a separate entry point for other
>> >> neighbourhoods where they are referred back to the Hope Street example
>> >> might
>> >> tend to somewhat endorse the idea that a leader is required or that the
>> >> technology is the property of NTW rather than of 'neighbours' eg. Hope
>> >> Street (or your street) neighbours.
>> > I'm not really understanding your concern here.
>> >> I know you invite other streets to submit their
>> >>> address but this would soon become unworkable as more and more people
>> >>> did it and the generic stuff like the templates was lost.
>> >> The templates would not get lost if the listings of neighbourhoods was
>> >> at
>> >> the foot of them would it? They would have to go past the
>> >> 'instructions' to
>> >> find their neighbourhood link in the list.
>> > OK
>> >> I was
>> >>> thinking it might work better to shift the emphasis a bit.
>> >>> See attached idea
>> > I have responded to your points and re-attached the document
>> >>> Alex
>> >>> 2009/10/13 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> >>> > Hi Alex,
>> >>> > I think I have the links, info and protections pretty right.
>> >>> > The main entry point would be
>> >>> > http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm
>> >>> > This is the address that I would promote through the posters. It's
>> >>> > not
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > simplest address, but we could use your idea of 'tear offs' - no
>> >>> > address
>> >>> > will be simple enough anyhow.
>> >>> > One thing that I am keen to keep in mind is that ultimately this is
>> >>> > also
>> >>> > about bringing people to NTW, so at least this address makes that
>> >>> > connection.
>> >>> > Once visitors are familiar with the site/s they are likely to
>> >>> > bookmark
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > page they want to use and go straight to their PBworks page or GG or
>> >>> > whatever.
>> >>> > The 2 PBworks addresses should give protection against editing of
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > pages
>> >>> > at myneighbourhood.pbworks as 'read only' as well as full editing
>> >>> > ownership
>> >>> > by neighbours of hopestreet.pbworks. Other info that we link to is
>> >>> > either
>> >>> > in GG or NTW and is thus protected.
>> >>> > I've made the changes you suggested. Let me know what you think. I'm
>> >>> > about
>> >>> > to start working on the presentation to LETS and of course this will
>> >>> > all
>> >>> > be
>> >>> > part of that.
>> >>> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
>> >>> >> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:17:39 -0700
>> >>> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
>> >>> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>> >>> >> Hi Chris
>> >>> >> The pathways seem to include
>> >>> >> 1. hope st - poster refers people to easy address where they can
>> >>> >> chat,
>> >>> >> see what's on, add to what's on and cooperate effectively (the
>> >>> >> co-operator)
>> >>> >> 2. The my neighbourhood page is for people wanting to set up their
>> >>> >> own
>> >>> >> process. This should contain an intro, an example(perhaps Hope St
>> >>> >> or
>> >>> >> perhaps a stagnant example), instructions and templates (this could
>> >>> >> be
>> >>> >> promoted by community builders)
>> >>> >> Does this cover it? 2. would seem to work for people who just want
>> >>> >> to
>> >>> >> see the merit of the idea like Peta etc.
>> >>> >> Alex
>> >>> >> 2009/10/11 Alex Baumann <akme.baum...@gmail.com>:
>> >>> >> > ok - see new
>> >>> >> > 2009/10/8 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> >>> >> >> Hi Alex - I sent you the wrong attachment yesterday - could you
>> >>> >> >> load
>> >>> >> >> the one
>> >>> >> >> attached now.
>> >>> >> >> Thanks Chris
>> >>> >> >> Sorry Alex - cancel that last reload because there is a mistake
>> >>> >> >> in
>> >>> >> >> it.
>> >>> >> >> The
>> >>> >> >> attached is corrected.
>> >>> >> >> Chris
>> >>> >> >>> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> >>> >> >>> > Hi Alex, see attached
>> >>> >> >>> > Chris
>> >>> >> >>> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow -
>> >>> >> >>> > is
>> >>> >> >>> > 10
>> >>> >> >>> > or
>> >>> >> >>> > 10.30
>> >>> >> >>> > about right?
>> >>> >> >>> > ________________________________
>> >>> >> >>> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
>> >>> >> >> ________________________________
>> >>> >> >> Find out how here Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox
>> >>> >> >> ________________________________
>> >>> >> >> Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:27:46 -0700
> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> Hi Chris, see below
> 2009/10/19 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> > Hi Alex,
> > see below
> > Chris
> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> >> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:43:37 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> >> Hi Chris,
> >> This all seems to be coming together well. Just a small point on
> >> http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm. From what I have heard it is
> >> basic web etiquette that only links should be underlined on webpages.
> >> Otherwise people think that they should be active links.
> > Yep - ok.
> OK - I'll remove underlines that aren't links
> >> I was also thinking that the emphasis on Hope St on this page is a bit
> >> strange considering that it is an arrival point for anyone interested
> >> in using the process.
> > I reckon we need to get Hope Street going before anything. Hope St
> > neighbours need an entry point. I don't think the one you suggest would be
> > appropriate for them (See attached).
> I thought we could just use the direct pbworks address for Hope St as
> other neigbourhoods will need to do on their posters to their
> neighbours.
> The website address is just an entry point for any new neighbourhoods
> or community workers or whatever that can be used on sites like
> Community Builders.
> > In one way, perhaps two separate entry
> > points would be better , but having a separate entry point for other
> > neighbourhoods where they are referred back to the Hope Street example might
> > tend to somewhat endorse the idea that a leader is required or that the
> > technology is the property of NTW rather than of 'neighbours' eg. Hope
> > Street (or your street) neighbours.
> I'm not really understanding your concern here.
> > I know you invite other streets to submit their
> >> address but this would soon become unworkable as more and more people
> >> did it and the generic stuff like the templates was lost.
> > The templates would not get lost if the listings of neighbourhoods was at
> > the foot of them would it? They would have to go past the 'instructions' to
> > find their neighbourhood link in the list.
> OK
> > I was
> >> thinking it might work better to shift the emphasis a bit.
> >> See attached idea
> I have responded to your points and re-attached the document
> >> Alex
> >> 2009/10/13 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> > Hi Alex,
> >> > I think I have the links, info and protections pretty right.
> >> > The main entry point would be http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm
> >> > This is the address that I would promote through the posters. It's not
> >> > the
> >> > simplest address, but we could use your idea of 'tear offs' - no address
> >> > will be simple enough anyhow.
> >> > One thing that I am keen to keep in mind is that ultimately this is also
> >> > about bringing people to NTW, so at least this address makes that
> >> > connection.
> >> > Once visitors are familiar with the site/s they are likely to bookmark
> >> > the
> >> > page they want to use and go straight to their PBworks page or GG or
> >> > whatever.
> >> > The 2 PBworks addresses should give protection against editing of the
> >> > pages
> >> > at myneighbourhood.pbworks as 'read only' as well as full editing
> >> > ownership
> >> > by neighbours of hopestreet.pbworks. Other info that we link to is
> >> > either
> >> > in GG or NTW and is thus protected.
> >> > I've made the changes you suggested. Let me know what you think. I'm
> >> > about
> >> > to start working on the presentation to LETS and of course this will all
> >> > be
> >> > part of that.
> >> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> >> >> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:17:39 -0700
> >> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> >> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> >> >> Hi Chris
> >> >> The pathways seem to include
> >> >> 1. hope st - poster refers people to easy address where they can chat,
> >> >> see what's on, add to what's on and cooperate effectively (the
> >> >> co-operator)
> >> >> 2. The my neighbourhood page is for people wanting to set up their own
> >> >> process. This should contain an intro, an example(perhaps Hope St or
> >> >> perhaps a stagnant example), instructions and templates (this could be
> >> >> promoted by community builders)
> >> >> Does this cover it? 2. would seem to work for people who just want to
> >> >> see the merit of the idea like Peta etc.
> >> >> Alex
> >> >> 2009/10/11 Alex Baumann <akme.baum...@gmail.com>:
> >> >> > ok - see new
> >> >> > 2009/10/8 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> >> >> Hi Alex - I sent you the wrong attachment yesterday - could you load
> >> >> >> the one
> >> >> >> attached now.
> >> >> >> Thanks Chris
> >> >> >> Sorry Alex - cancel that last reload because there is a mistake in
> >> >> >> it.
> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> attached is corrected.
> >> >> >> Chris
> >> >> >>> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> >> >>> > Hi Alex, see attached
> >> >> >>> > Chris
> >> >> >>> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow - is
> >> >> >>> > 10
> >> >> >>> > or
> >> >> >>> > 10.30
> >> >> >>> > about right?
> >> >> >>> > ________________________________
> >> >> >>> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
> >> >> >> ________________________________
> >> >> >> Find out how here Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox
> >> >> >> ________________________________
> >> >> >> Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
re a link from NTW home page to what we are up to.
I think what we have arrived at (although still needing more work) is better than where we were at with the Cooperator page at http://www.ntw.110mb.com/co-operator.htm (This page encourages an offline face to face process for meetings.)
On the Home page under 'Activities'
...See some exciting local activities, see our activity 'Co-operator'
& join an on-line discussion
If you agree, could you delete the link to that old Cooperator page and link instead to http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm
I have told people at the LETs conference that after the weekend they will find a link to the new material on our home page.
Chris
From: chrisbaul...@hotmail.com
To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My Neighbourhood page
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:10:45 +1100
> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:27:46 -0700
> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> Hi Chris, see below
> 2009/10/19 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> > Hi Alex,
> > see below
> > Chris
> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> >> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:43:37 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> >> Hi Chris,
> >> This all seems to be coming together well. Just a small point on
> >> http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm. From what I have heard it is
> >> basic web etiquette that only links should be underlined on webpages.
> >> Otherwise people think that they should be active links.
> > Yep - ok.
> OK - I'll remove underlines that aren't links
> >> I was also thinking that the emphasis on Hope St on this page is a bit
> >> strange considering that it is an arrival point for anyone interested
> >> in using the process.
> > I reckon we need to get Hope Street going before anything. Hope St
> > neighbours need an entry point. I don't think the one you suggest would be
> > appropriate for them (See attached).
> I thought we could just use the direct pbworks address for Hope St as
> other neigbourhoods will need to do on their posters to their
> neighbours.
> The website address is just an entry point for any new neighbourhoods
> or community workers or whatever that can be used on sites like
> Community Builders.
> > In one way, perhaps two separate entry
> > points would be better , but having a separate entry point for other
> > neighbourhoods where they are referred back to the Hope Street example might
> > tend to somewhat endorse the idea that a leader is required or that the
> > technology is the property of NTW rather than of 'neighbours' eg. Hope
> > Street (or your street) neighbours.
> I'm not really understanding your concern here.
> > I know you invite other streets to submit their
> >> address but this would soon become unworkable as more and more people
> >> did it and the generic stuff like the templates was lost.
> > The templates would not get lost if the listings of neighbourhoods was at
> > the foot of them would it? They would have to go past the 'instructions' to
> > find their neighbourhood link in the list.
> OK
> > I was
> >> thinking it might work better to shift the emphasis a bit.
> >> See attached idea
> I have responded to your points and re-attached the document
> >> Alex
> >> 2009/10/13 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> > Hi Alex,
> >> > I think I have the links, info and protections pretty right.
> >> > The main entry point would be http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm
> >> > This is the address that I would promote through the posters. It's not
> >> > the
> >> > simplest address, but we could use your idea of 'tear offs' - no address
> >> > will be simple enough anyhow.
> >> > One thing that I am keen to keep in mind is that ultimately this is also
> >> > about bringing people to NTW, so at least this address makes that
> >> > connection.
> >> > Once visitors are familiar with the site/s they are likely to bookmark
> >> > the
> >> > page they want to use and go straight to their PBworks page or GG or
> >> > whatever.
> >> > The 2 PBworks addresses should give protection against editing of the
> >> > pages
> >> > at myneighbourhood.pbworks as 'read only' as well as full editing
> >> > ownership
> >> > by neighbours of hopestreet.pbworks. Other info that we link to is
> >> > either
> >> > in GG or NTW and is thus protected.
> >> > I've made the changes you suggested. Let me know what you think. I'm
> >> > about
> >> > to start working on the presentation to LETS and of course this will all
> >> > be
> >> > part of that.
> >> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> >> >> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:17:39 -0700
> >> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> >> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> >> >> Hi Chris
> >> >> The pathways seem to include
> >> >> 1. hope st - poster refers people to easy address where they can chat,
> >> >> see what's on, add to what's on and cooperate effectively (the
> >> >> co-operator)
> >> >> 2. The my neighbourhood page is for people wanting to set up their own
> >> >> process. This should contain an intro, an example(perhaps Hope St or
> >> >> perhaps a stagnant example), instructions and templates (this could be
> >> >> promoted by community builders)
> >> >> Does this cover it? 2. would seem to work for people who just want to
> >> >> see the merit of the idea like Peta etc.
> >> >> Alex
> >> >> 2009/10/11 Alex Baumann <akme.baum...@gmail.com>:
> >> >> > ok - see new
> >> >> > 2009/10/8 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> >> >> Hi Alex - I sent you the wrong attachment yesterday - could you load
> >> >> >> the one
> >> >> >> attached now.
> >> >> >> Thanks Chris
> >> >> >> Sorry Alex - cancel that last reload because there is a mistake in
> >> >> >> it.
> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> attached is corrected.
> >> >> >> Chris
> >> >> >>> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> >> >>> > Hi Alex, see attached
> >> >> >>> > Chris
> >> >> >>> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow - is
> >> >> >>> > 10
> >> >> >>> > or
> >> >> >>> > 10.30
> >> >> >>> > about right?
> >> >> >>> > ________________________________
> >> >> >>> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
> >> >> >> ________________________________
> >> >> >> Find out how here Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox
> >> >> >> ________________________________
> >> >> >> Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
Hi Chris, I've responded in the attached but I think we might have our
wires crossed in this discussion. As I try to explain in the
attachment I'm not talking about whether they go to the forum as a
first point of organising or not. My reference to starting at pb works
is a reference to the pbworks open page only that lets them see what's
on and takes them to the chat space as the first port of call for
cooperating. My point is only that pb works rather than the html file
seems like the logical place for the poster to refer hope streeters to
and that the html file is for everyone else.
Alex
2009/10/25 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
>> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:27:46 -0700
>> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
>> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>> Hi Chris, see below
>> 2009/10/19 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> > Hi Alex,
>> > see below
>> > Chris
>> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
>> >> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:43:37 -0700
>> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
>> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>> >> Hi Chris,
>> >> This all seems to be coming together well. Just a small point on
>> >> http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm. From what I have heard it is
>> >> basic web etiquette that only links should be underlined on webpages.
>> >> Otherwise people think that they should be active links.
>> > Yep - ok.
>> OK - I'll remove underlines that aren't links
>> >> I was also thinking that the emphasis on Hope St on this page is a bit
>> >> strange considering that it is an arrival point for anyone interested
>> >> in using the process.
>> > I reckon we need to get Hope Street going before anything. Hope St
>> > neighbours need an entry point. I don't think the one you suggest would
>> > be
>> > appropriate for them (See attached).
>> I thought we could just use the direct pbworks address for Hope St as
>> other neigbourhoods will need to do on their posters to their
>> neighbours.
>> The website address is just an entry point for any new neighbourhoods
>> or community workers or whatever that can be used on sites like
>> Community Builders.
>> > In one way, perhaps two separate entry
>> > points would be better , but having a separate entry point for other
>> > neighbourhoods where they are referred back to the Hope Street example
>> > might
>> > tend to somewhat endorse the idea that a leader is required or that the
>> > technology is the property of NTW rather than of 'neighbours' eg. Hope
>> > Street (or your street) neighbours.
>> I'm not really understanding your concern here.
>> > I know you invite other streets to submit their
>> >> address but this would soon become unworkable as more and more people
>> >> did it and the generic stuff like the templates was lost.
>> > The templates would not get lost if the listings of neighbourhoods was
>> > at
>> > the foot of them would it? They would have to go past the 'instructions'
>> > to
>> > find their neighbourhood link in the list.
>> OK
>> > I was
>> >> thinking it might work better to shift the emphasis a bit.
>> >> See attached idea
>> I have responded to your points and re-attached the document
>> >> Alex
>> >> 2009/10/13 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> >> > Hi Alex,
>> >> > I think I have the links, info and protections pretty right.
>> >> > The main entry point would be
>> >> > http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm
>> >> > This is the address that I would promote through the posters. It's
>> >> > not
>> >> > the
>> >> > simplest address, but we could use your idea of 'tear offs' - no
>> >> > address
>> >> > will be simple enough anyhow.
>> >> > One thing that I am keen to keep in mind is that ultimately this is
>> >> > also
>> >> > about bringing people to NTW, so at least this address makes that
>> >> > connection.
>> >> > Once visitors are familiar with the site/s they are likely to
>> >> > bookmark
>> >> > the
>> >> > page they want to use and go straight to their PBworks page or GG or
>> >> > whatever.
>> >> > The 2 PBworks addresses should give protection against editing of the
>> >> > pages
>> >> > at myneighbourhood.pbworks as 'read only' as well as full editing
>> >> > ownership
>> >> > by neighbours of hopestreet.pbworks. Other info that we link to is
>> >> > either
>> >> > in GG or NTW and is thus protected.
>> >> > I've made the changes you suggested. Let me know what you think. I'm
>> >> > about
>> >> > to start working on the presentation to LETS and of course this will
>> >> > all
>> >> > be
>> >> > part of that.
>> >> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
>> >> >> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:17:39 -0700
>> >> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
>> >> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>> >> >> Hi Chris
>> >> >> The pathways seem to include
>> >> >> 1. hope st - poster refers people to easy address where they can
>> >> >> chat,
>> >> >> see what's on, add to what's on and cooperate effectively (the
>> >> >> co-operator)
>> >> >> 2. The my neighbourhood page is for people wanting to set up their
>> >> >> own
>> >> >> process. This should contain an intro, an example(perhaps Hope St or
>> >> >> perhaps a stagnant example), instructions and templates (this could
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> promoted by community builders)
>> >> >> Does this cover it? 2. would seem to work for people who just want
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> see the merit of the idea like Peta etc.
>> >> >> Alex
>> >> >> 2009/10/11 Alex Baumann <akme.baum...@gmail.com>:
>> >> >> > ok - see new
>> >> >> > 2009/10/8 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> >> >> >> Hi Alex - I sent you the wrong attachment yesterday - could you
>> >> >> >> load
>> >> >> >> the one
>> >> >> >> attached now.
>> >> >> >> Thanks Chris
>> >> >> >> Sorry Alex - cancel that last reload because there is a mistake
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> it.
>> >> >> >> The
>> >> >> >> attached is corrected.
>> >> >> >> Chris
>> >> >> >>> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> >> >> >>> > Hi Alex, see attached
>> >> >> >>> > Chris
>> >> >> >>> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow -
>> >> >> >>> > is
>> >> >> >>> > 10
>> >> >> >>> > or
>> >> >> >>> > 10.30
>> >> >> >>> > about right?
>> >> >> >>> > ________________________________
>> >> >> >>> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
>> >> >> >> ________________________________
>> >> >> >> Find out how here Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox
>> >> >> >> ________________________________
>> >> >> >> Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
I think the attached incorporates what we have done so far on line and face to face at your place.
The outstanding issue is 'hierarchy'.
If you accept that 'leadership' and 'hierarchy' is so much part of our very existence (including your's and mine) that we tend to carelessly slip into it, then I can't see how saying "This helps neighbours to go from informal chats to informal organisation in a cooperative way that shares roles" would begin to address the problem I have described.
> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:28:34 -0700
> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> Hi Chris, I've responded in the attached but I think we might have our
> wires crossed in this discussion. As I try to explain in the
> attachment I'm not talking about whether they go to the forum as a
> first point of organising or not. My reference to starting at pb works
> is a reference to the pbworks open page only that lets them see what's
> on and takes them to the chat space as the first port of call for
> cooperating. My point is only that pb works rather than the html file
> seems like the logical place for the poster to refer hope streeters to
> and that the html file is for everyone else.
> Alex
> 2009/10/25 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> > Hi Alex,
> > see attached
> > Chris
> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> >> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:27:46 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> >> Hi Chris, see below
> >> 2009/10/19 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> > Hi Alex,
> >> > see below
> >> > Chris
> >> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> >> >> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:43:37 -0700
> >> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> >> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> >> >> Hi Chris,
> >> >> This all seems to be coming together well. Just a small point on
> >> >> http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm. From what I have heard it is
> >> >> basic web etiquette that only links should be underlined on webpages.
> >> >> Otherwise people think that they should be active links.
> >> > Yep - ok.
> >> OK - I'll remove underlines that aren't links
> >> >> I was also thinking that the emphasis on Hope St on this page is a bit
> >> >> strange considering that it is an arrival point for anyone interested
> >> >> in using the process.
> >> > I reckon we need to get Hope Street going before anything. Hope St
> >> > neighbours need an entry point. I don't think the one you suggest would
> >> > be
> >> > appropriate for them (See attached).
> >> I thought we could just use the direct pbworks address for Hope St as
> >> other neigbourhoods will need to do on their posters to their
> >> neighbours.
> >> The website address is just an entry point for any new neighbourhoods
> >> or community workers or whatever that can be used on sites like
> >> Community Builders.
> >> > In one way, perhaps two separate entry
> >> > points would be better , but having a separate entry point for other
> >> > neighbourhoods where they are referred back to the Hope Street example
> >> > might
> >> > tend to somewhat endorse the idea that a leader is required or that the
> >> > technology is the property of NTW rather than of 'neighbours' eg. Hope
> >> > Street (or your street) neighbours.
> >> I'm not really understanding your concern here.
> >> > I know you invite other streets to submit their
> >> >> address but this would soon become unworkable as more and more people
> >> >> did it and the generic stuff like the templates was lost.
> >> > The templates would not get lost if the listings of neighbourhoods was
> >> > at
> >> > the foot of them would it? They would have to go past the 'instructions'
> >> > to
> >> > find their neighbourhood link in the list.
> >> OK
> >> > I was
> >> >> thinking it might work better to shift the emphasis a bit.
> >> >> See attached idea
> >> I have responded to your points and re-attached the document
> >> >> Alex
> >> >> 2009/10/13 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> >> > Hi Alex,
> >> >> > I think I have the links, info and protections pretty right.
> >> >> > The main entry point would be
> >> >> > http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm
> >> >> > This is the address that I would promote through the posters. It's
> >> >> > not
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > simplest address, but we could use your idea of 'tear offs' - no
> >> >> > address
> >> >> > will be simple enough anyhow.
> >> >> > One thing that I am keen to keep in mind is that ultimately this is
> >> >> > also
> >> >> > about bringing people to NTW, so at least this address makes that
> >> >> > connection.
> >> >> > Once visitors are familiar with the site/s they are likely to
> >> >> > bookmark
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > page they want to use and go straight to their PBworks page or GG or
> >> >> > whatever.
> >> >> > The 2 PBworks addresses should give protection against editing of the
> >> >> > pages
> >> >> > at myneighbourhood.pbworks as 'read only' as well as full editing
> >> >> > ownership
> >> >> > by neighbours of hopestreet.pbworks. Other info that we link to is
> >> >> > either
> >> >> > in GG or NTW and is thus protected.
> >> >> > I've made the changes you suggested. Let me know what you think. I'm
> >> >> > about
> >> >> > to start working on the presentation to LETS and of course this will
> >> >> > all
> >> >> > be
> >> >> > part of that.
> >> >> >> Hi Chris
> >> >> >> The pathways seem to include
> >> >> >> 1. hope st - poster refers people to easy address where they can
> >> >> >> chat,
> >> >> >> see what's on, add to what's on and cooperate effectively (the
> >> >> >> co-operator)
> >> >> >> 2. The my neighbourhood page is for people wanting to set up their
> >> >> >> own
> >> >> >> process. This should contain an intro, an example(perhaps Hope St or
> >> >> >> perhaps a stagnant example), instructions and templates (this could
> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> promoted by community builders)
> >> >> >> Does this cover it? 2. would seem to work for people who just want
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> see the merit of the idea like Peta etc.
> >> >> >> Alex
> >> >> >> 2009/10/11 Alex Baumann <akme.baum...@gmail.com>:
> >> >> >> > ok - see new
> >> >> >> > 2009/10/8 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> >> >> >> Hi Alex - I sent you the wrong attachment yesterday - could you
> >> >> >> >> load
> >> >> >> >> the one
> >> >> >> >> attached now.
> >> >> >> >> Thanks Chris
> >> >> >> >> Sorry Alex - cancel that last reload because there is a mistake
> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> it.
> >> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> >> attached is corrected.
> >> >> >> >> Chris
> >> >> >> >>> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> >> >> >>> > Hi Alex, see attached
> >> >> >> >>> > Chris
> >> >> >> >>> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow -
> >> >> >> >>> > is
> >> >> >> >>> > 10
> >> >> >> >>> > or
> >> >> >> >>> > 10.30
> >> >> >> >>> > about right?
> >> >> >> >>> > ________________________________
> >> >> >> >>> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
> >> >> >> >> ________________________________
> >> >> >> >> Find out how here Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox
> >> >> >> >> ________________________________
> >> >> >> >> Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
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Hi Chris,
I don't have any other ideas for the hierarchy sentance for now so I'm
happy to just leave the wording you use in the attached draft for now.
There are a couple of other points in the attachement however. I've
included your first draft under my new one with a note where I've made
a change.
Alex
2009/10/27 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> Hi Alex,
> I think the attached incorporates what we have done so far on line and face
> to face at your place.
> The outstanding issue is 'hierarchy'.
> If you accept that 'leadership' and 'hierarchy' is so much part of our
> very existence (including your's and mine) that we tend to carelessly slip
> into it, then I can't see how saying "This helps neighbours to go from
> informal chats to informal organisation in a cooperative way that shares
> roles" would begin to address the problem I have described.
> Chris
>> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
>> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:28:34 -0700
>> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
>> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>> Hi Chris, I've responded in the attached but I think we might have our
>> wires crossed in this discussion. As I try to explain in the
>> attachment I'm not talking about whether they go to the forum as a
>> first point of organising or not. My reference to starting at pb works
>> is a reference to the pbworks open page only that lets them see what's
>> on and takes them to the chat space as the first port of call for
>> cooperating. My point is only that pb works rather than the html file
>> seems like the logical place for the poster to refer hope streeters to
>> and that the html file is for everyone else.
>> Alex
>> 2009/10/25 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> > Hi Alex,
>> > see attached
>> > Chris
>> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
>> >> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:27:46 -0700
>> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
>> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>> >> Hi Chris, see below
>> >> 2009/10/19 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> >> > Hi Alex,
>> >> > see below
>> >> > Chris
>> >> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
>> >> >> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:43:37 -0700
>> >> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
>> >> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>> >> >> Hi Chris,
>> >> >> This all seems to be coming together well. Just a small point on
>> >> >> http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm. From what I have heard it
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> basic web etiquette that only links should be underlined on
>> >> >> webpages.
>> >> >> Otherwise people think that they should be active links.
>> >> > Yep - ok.
>> >> OK - I'll remove underlines that aren't links
>> >> >> I was also thinking that the emphasis on Hope St on this page is a
>> >> >> bit
>> >> >> strange considering that it is an arrival point for anyone
>> >> >> interested
>> >> >> in using the process.
>> >> > I reckon we need to get Hope Street going before anything. Hope St
>> >> > neighbours need an entry point. I don't think the one you suggest
>> >> > would
>> >> > be
>> >> > appropriate for them (See attached).
>> >> I thought we could just use the direct pbworks address for Hope St as
>> >> other neigbourhoods will need to do on their posters to their
>> >> neighbours.
>> >> The website address is just an entry point for any new neighbourhoods
>> >> or community workers or whatever that can be used on sites like
>> >> Community Builders.
>> >> > In one way, perhaps two separate entry
>> >> > points would be better , but having a separate entry point for other
>> >> > neighbourhoods where they are referred back to the Hope Street
>> >> > example
>> >> > might
>> >> > tend to somewhat endorse the idea that a leader is required or that
>> >> > the
>> >> > technology is the property of NTW rather than of 'neighbours' eg.
>> >> > Hope
>> >> > Street (or your street) neighbours.
>> >> I'm not really understanding your concern here.
>> >> > I know you invite other streets to submit their
>> >> >> address but this would soon become unworkable as more and more
>> >> >> people
>> >> >> did it and the generic stuff like the templates was lost.
>> >> > The templates would not get lost if the listings of neighbourhoods
>> >> > was
>> >> > at
>> >> > the foot of them would it? They would have to go past the
>> >> > 'instructions'
>> >> > to
>> >> > find their neighbourhood link in the list.
>> >> OK
>> >> > I was
>> >> >> thinking it might work better to shift the emphasis a bit.
>> >> >> See attached idea
>> >> I have responded to your points and re-attached the document
>> >> >> Alex
>> >> >> 2009/10/13 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> >> >> > Hi Alex,
>> >> >> > I think I have the links, info and protections pretty right.
>> >> >> > The main entry point would be
>> >> >> > http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm
>> >> >> > This is the address that I would promote through the posters. It's
>> >> >> > not
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > simplest address, but we could use your idea of 'tear offs' - no
>> >> >> > address
>> >> >> > will be simple enough anyhow.
>> >> >> > One thing that I am keen to keep in mind is that ultimately this
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > also
>> >> >> > about bringing people to NTW, so at least this address makes that
>> >> >> > connection.
>> >> >> > Once visitors are familiar with the site/s they are likely to
>> >> >> > bookmark
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > page they want to use and go straight to their PBworks page or GG
>> >> >> > or
>> >> >> > whatever.
>> >> >> > The 2 PBworks addresses should give protection against editing of
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > pages
>> >> >> > at myneighbourhood.pbworks as 'read only' as well as full editing
>> >> >> > ownership
>> >> >> > by neighbours of hopestreet.pbworks. Other info that we link to is
>> >> >> > either
>> >> >> > in GG or NTW and is thus protected.
>> >> >> > I've made the changes you suggested. Let me know what you think.
>> >> >> > I'm
>> >> >> > about
>> >> >> > to start working on the presentation to LETS and of course this
>> >> >> > will
>> >> >> > all
>> >> >> > be
>> >> >> > part of that.
>> >> >> >> Hi Chris
>> >> >> >> The pathways seem to include
>> >> >> >> 1. hope st - poster refers people to easy address where they can
>> >> >> >> chat,
>> >> >> >> see what's on, add to what's on and cooperate effectively (the
>> >> >> >> co-operator)
>> >> >> >> 2. The my neighbourhood page is for people wanting to set up
>> >> >> >> their
>> >> >> >> own
>> >> >> >> process. This should contain an intro, an example(perhaps Hope St
>> >> >> >> or
>> >> >> >> perhaps a stagnant example), instructions and templates (this
>> >> >> >> could
>> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> promoted by community builders)
>> >> >> >> Does this cover it? 2. would seem to work for people who just
>> >> >> >> want
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> see the merit of the idea like Peta etc.
>> >> >> >> Alex
>> >> >> >> 2009/10/11 Alex Baumann <akme.baum...@gmail.com>:
>> >> >> >> > ok - see new
>> >> >> >> > 2009/10/8 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> >> >> >> >> Hi Alex - I sent you the wrong attachment yesterday - could
>> >> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> >> load
>> >> >> >> >> the one
>> >> >> >> >> attached now.
>> >> >> >> >> Thanks Chris
>> >> >> >> >> Sorry Alex - cancel that last reload because there is a
>> >> >> >> >> mistake
>> >> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> >> it.
>> >> >> >> >> The
>> >> >> >> >> attached is corrected.
>> >> >> >> >> Chris
>> >> >> >> >>> 2009/10/6 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> >> >> >> >>> > Hi Alex, see attached
>> >> >> >> >>> > Chris
>> >> >> >> >>> > ps could you contact me about when to collect Eli tomorrow
>> >> >> >> >>> > -
>> >> >> >> >>> > is
>> >> >> >> >>> > 10
>> >> >> >> >>> > or
>> >> >> >> >>> > 10.30
>> >> >> >> >>> > about right?
>> >> >> >> >>> > ________________________________
>> >> >> >> >>> > Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
>> >> >> >> >> ________________________________
>> >> >> >> >> Find out how here Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox
>> >> >> >> >> ________________________________
>> >> >> >> >> Find out how here Get Hotmail on your iPhone
> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:41:48 -0700
> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> Hi Chris,
> I don't have any other ideas for the hierarchy sentance for now so I'm
> happy to just leave the wording you use in the attached draft for now.
> There are a couple of other points in the attachement however. I've
> included your first draft under my new one with a note where I've made
> a change.
> Alex
> 2009/10/27 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> > Hi Alex,
> > I think the attached incorporates what we have done so far on line and face
> > to face at your place.
> > The outstanding issue is 'hierarchy'.
> > If you accept that 'leadership' and 'hierarchy' is so much part of our
> > very existence (including your's and mine) that we tend to carelessly slip
> > into it, then I can't see how saying "This helps neighbours to go from
> > informal chats to informal organisation in a cooperative way that shares
> > roles" would begin to address the problem I have described.
> > Chris
> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> >> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:28:34 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> >> Hi Chris, I've responded in the attached but I think we might have our
> >> wires crossed in this discussion. As I try to explain in the
> >> attachment I'm not talking about whether they go to the forum as a
> >> first point of organising or not. My reference to starting at pb works
> >> is a reference to the pbworks open page only that lets them see what's
> >> on and takes them to the chat space as the first port of call for
> >> cooperating. My point is only that pb works rather than the html file
> >> seems like the logical place for the poster to refer hope streeters to
> >> and that the html file is for everyone else.
> >> Alex
> >> 2009/10/25 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> > Hi Alex,
> >> > see attached
> >> > Chris
> >> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
> >> >> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:27:46 -0700
> >> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
> >> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
> >> >> Hi Chris, see below
> >> >> 2009/10/19 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> >> > Hi Alex,
> >> >> > see below
> >> >> > Chris
> >> >> >> Hi Chris,
> >> >> >> This all seems to be coming together well. Just a small point on
> >> >> >> http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm. From what I have heard it
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> basic web etiquette that only links should be underlined on
> >> >> >> webpages.
> >> >> >> Otherwise people think that they should be active links.
> >> >> > Yep - ok.
> >> >> OK - I'll remove underlines that aren't links
> >> >> >> I was also thinking that the emphasis on Hope St on this page is a
> >> >> >> bit
> >> >> >> strange considering that it is an arrival point for anyone
> >> >> >> interested
> >> >> >> in using the process.
> >> >> > I reckon we need to get Hope Street going before anything. Hope St
> >> >> > neighbours need an entry point. I don't think the one you suggest
> >> >> > would
> >> >> > be
> >> >> > appropriate for them (See attached).
> >> >> I thought we could just use the direct pbworks address for Hope St as
> >> >> other neigbourhoods will need to do on their posters to their
> >> >> neighbours.
> >> >> The website address is just an entry point for any new neighbourhoods
> >> >> or community workers or whatever that can be used on sites like
> >> >> Community Builders.
> >> >> > In one way, perhaps two separate entry
> >> >> > points would be better , but having a separate entry point for other
> >> >> > neighbourhoods where they are referred back to the Hope Street
> >> >> > example
> >> >> > might
> >> >> > tend to somewhat endorse the idea that a leader is required or that
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > technology is the property of NTW rather than of 'neighbours' eg.
> >> >> > Hope
> >> >> > Street (or your street) neighbours.
> >> >> I'm not really understanding your concern here.
> >> >> > I know you invite other streets to submit their
> >> >> >> address but this would soon become unworkable as more and more
> >> >> >> people
> >> >> >> did it and the generic stuff like the templates was lost.
> >> >> > The templates would not get lost if the listings of neighbourhoods
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > at
> >> >> > the foot of them would it? They would have to go past the
> >> >> > 'instructions'
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > find their neighbourhood link in the list.
> >> >> OK
> >> >> > I was
> >> >> >> thinking it might work better to shift the emphasis a bit.
> >> >> >> See attached idea
> >> >> I have responded to your points and re-attached the document
> >> >> >> Alex
> >> >> >> 2009/10/13 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> >> >> > Hi Alex,
> >> >> >> > I think I have the links, info and protections pretty right.
> >> >> >> > The main entry point would be
> >> >> >> > http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm
> >> >> >> > This is the address that I would promote through the posters. It's
> >> >> >> > not
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > simplest address, but we could use your idea of 'tear offs' - no
> >> >> >> > address
> >> >> >> > will be simple enough anyhow.
> >> >> >> > One thing that I am keen to keep in mind is that ultimately this
> >> >> >> > is
> >> >> >> > also
> >> >> >> > about bringing people to NTW, so at least this address makes that
> >> >> >> > connection.
> >> >> >> > Once visitors are familiar with the site/s they are likely to
> >> >> >> > bookmark
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > page they want to use and go straight to their PBworks page or GG
> >> >> >> > or
> >> >> >> > whatever.
> >> >> >> > The 2 PBworks addresses should give protection against editing of
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > pages
> >> >> >> > at myneighbourhood.pbworks as 'read only' as well as full editing
> >> >> >> > ownership
> >> >> >> > by neighbours of hopestreet.pbworks. Other info that we link to is
> >> >> >> > either
> >> >> >> > in GG or NTW and is thus protected.
> >> >> >> > I've made the changes you suggested. Let me know what you think.
> >> >> >> > I'm
> >> >> >> > about
> >> >> >> > to start working on the presentation to LETS and of course this
> >> >> >> > will
> >> >> >> > all
> >> >> >> > be
> >> >> >> > part of that.
> >> >> >> >> Hi Chris
> >> >> >> >> The pathways seem to include
> >> >> >> >> 1. hope st - poster refers people to easy address where they can
> >> >> >> >> chat,
> >> >> >> >> see what's on, add to what's on and cooperate effectively (the
> >> >> >> >> co-operator)
> >> >> >> >> 2. The my neighbourhood page is for people wanting to set up
> >> >> >> >> their
> >> >> >> >> own
> >> >> >> >> process. This should contain an intro, an example(perhaps Hope St
> >> >> >> >> or
> >> >> >> >> perhaps a stagnant example), instructions and templates (this
> >> >> >> >> could
> >> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> >> promoted by community builders)
> >> >> >> >> Does this cover it? 2. would seem to work for people who just
> >> >> >> >> want
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> see the merit of the idea like Peta etc.
> >> >> >> >> Alex
> >> >> >> >> 2009/10/11 Alex Baumann <akme.baum...@gmail.com>:
> >> >> >> >> > ok - see new
> >> >> >> >> > 2009/10/8 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Alex - I sent you the wrong attachment yesterday - could
> >> >> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> >> >> load
> >> >> >> >> >> the one
> >> >> >> >> >> attached now.
> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks Chris
> Hi Alex,
> I think it is pretty good - just a coma missing - see attached.
> I think it will work as an intro for people no matter where they are coming
> from.
> Chris
>> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
>> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:41:48 -0700
>> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
>> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>> Hi Chris,
>> I don't have any other ideas for the hierarchy sentance for now so I'm
>> happy to just leave the wording you use in the attached draft for now.
>> There are a couple of other points in the attachement however. I've
>> included your first draft under my new one with a note where I've made
>> a change.
>> Alex
>> 2009/10/27 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> > Hi Alex,
>> > I think the attached incorporates what we have done so far on line and
>> > face
>> > to face at your place.
>> > The outstanding issue is 'hierarchy'.
>> > If you accept that 'leadership' and 'hierarchy' is so much part of our
>> > very existence (including your's and mine) that we tend to carelessly
>> > slip
>> > into it, then I can't see how saying "This helps neighbours to go from
>> > informal chats to informal organisation in a cooperative way that shares
>> > roles" would begin to address the problem I have described.
>> > Chris
>> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
>> >> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:28:34 -0700
>> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
>> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>> >> Hi Chris, I've responded in the attached but I think we might have our
>> >> wires crossed in this discussion. As I try to explain in the
>> >> attachment I'm not talking about whether they go to the forum as a
>> >> first point of organising or not. My reference to starting at pb works
>> >> is a reference to the pbworks open page only that lets them see what's
>> >> on and takes them to the chat space as the first port of call for
>> >> cooperating. My point is only that pb works rather than the html file
>> >> seems like the logical place for the poster to refer hope streeters to
>> >> and that the html file is for everyone else.
>> >> Alex
>> >> 2009/10/25 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> >> > Hi Alex,
>> >> > see attached
>> >> > Chris
>> >> >> From: akme.baum...@gmail.com
>> >> >> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:27:46 -0700
>> >> >> Subject: Re: My Neighbourhood page
>> >> >> To: neighbourhoodthatworks@googlegroups.com
>> >> >> Hi Chris, see below
>> >> >> 2009/10/19 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> >> >> > Hi Alex,
>> >> >> > see below
>> >> >> > Chris
>> >> >> >> Hi Chris,
>> >> >> >> This all seems to be coming together well. Just a small point on
>> >> >> >> http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm. From what I have heard
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> basic web etiquette that only links should be underlined on
>> >> >> >> webpages.
>> >> >> >> Otherwise people think that they should be active links.
>> >> >> > Yep - ok.
>> >> >> OK - I'll remove underlines that aren't links
>> >> >> >> I was also thinking that the emphasis on Hope St on this page is
>> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> bit
>> >> >> >> strange considering that it is an arrival point for anyone
>> >> >> >> interested
>> >> >> >> in using the process.
>> >> >> > I reckon we need to get Hope Street going before anything. Hope St
>> >> >> > neighbours need an entry point. I don't think the one you suggest
>> >> >> > would
>> >> >> > be
>> >> >> > appropriate for them (See attached).
>> >> >> I thought we could just use the direct pbworks address for Hope St
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> other neigbourhoods will need to do on their posters to their
>> >> >> neighbours.
>> >> >> The website address is just an entry point for any new
>> >> >> neighbourhoods
>> >> >> or community workers or whatever that can be used on sites like
>> >> >> Community Builders.
>> >> >> > In one way, perhaps two separate entry
>> >> >> > points would be better , but having a separate entry point for
>> >> >> > other
>> >> >> > neighbourhoods where they are referred back to the Hope Street
>> >> >> > example
>> >> >> > might
>> >> >> > tend to somewhat endorse the idea that a leader is required or
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > technology is the property of NTW rather than of 'neighbours' eg.
>> >> >> > Hope
>> >> >> > Street (or your street) neighbours.
>> >> >> I'm not really understanding your concern here.
>> >> >> > I know you invite other streets to submit their
>> >> >> >> address but this would soon become unworkable as more and more
>> >> >> >> people
>> >> >> >> did it and the generic stuff like the templates was lost.
>> >> >> > The templates would not get lost if the listings of neighbourhoods
>> >> >> > was
>> >> >> > at
>> >> >> > the foot of them would it? They would have to go past the
>> >> >> > 'instructions'
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > find their neighbourhood link in the list.
>> >> >> OK
>> >> >> > I was
>> >> >> >> thinking it might work better to shift the emphasis a bit.
>> >> >> >> See attached idea
>> >> >> I have responded to your points and re-attached the document
>> >> >> >> Alex
>> >> >> >> 2009/10/13 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> >> >> >> > Hi Alex,
>> >> >> >> > I think I have the links, info and protections pretty right.
>> >> >> >> > The main entry point would be
>> >> >> >> > http://ntw.110mb.com/myneighbourhood.htm
>> >> >> >> > This is the address that I would promote through the posters.
>> >> >> >> > It's
>> >> >> >> > not
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > simplest address, but we could use your idea of 'tear offs' -
>> >> >> >> > no
>> >> >> >> > address
>> >> >> >> > will be simple enough anyhow.
>> >> >> >> > One thing that I am keen to keep in mind is that ultimately
>> >> >> >> > this
>> >> >> >> > is
>> >> >> >> > also
>> >> >> >> > about bringing people to NTW, so at least this address makes
>> >> >> >> > that
>> >> >> >> > connection.
>> >> >> >> > Once visitors are familiar with the site/s they are likely to
>> >> >> >> > bookmark
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > page they want to use and go straight to their PBworks page or
>> >> >> >> > GG
>> >> >> >> > or
>> >> >> >> > whatever.
>> >> >> >> > The 2 PBworks addresses should give protection against editing
>> >> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > pages
>> >> >> >> > at myneighbourhood.pbworks as 'read only' as well as full
>> >> >> >> > editing
>> >> >> >> > ownership
>> >> >> >> > by neighbours of hopestreet.pbworks. Other info that we link to
>> >> >> >> > is
>> >> >> >> > either
>> >> >> >> > in GG or NTW and is thus protected.
>> >> >> >> > I've made the changes you suggested. Let me know what you
>> >> >> >> > think.
>> >> >> >> > I'm
>> >> >> >> > about
>> >> >> >> > to start working on the presentation to LETS and of course this
>> >> >> >> > will
>> >> >> >> > all
>> >> >> >> > be
>> >> >> >> > part of that.
>> >> >> >> >> Hi Chris
>> >> >> >> >> The pathways seem to include
>> >> >> >> >> 1. hope st - poster refers people to easy address where they
>> >> >> >> >> can
>> >> >> >> >> chat,
>> >> >> >> >> see what's on, add to what's on and cooperate effectively (the
>> >> >> >> >> co-operator)
>> >> >> >> >> 2. The my neighbourhood page is for people wanting to set up
>> >> >> >> >> their
>> >> >> >> >> own
>> >> >> >> >> process. This should contain an intro, an example(perhaps Hope
>> >> >> >> >> St
>> >> >> >> >> or
>> >> >> >> >> perhaps a stagnant example), instructions and templates (this
>> >> >> >> >> could
>> >> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> >> promoted by community builders)
>> >> >> >> >> Does this cover it? 2. would seem to work for people who just
>> >> >> >> >> want
>> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> see the merit of the idea like Peta etc.
>> >> >> >> >> Alex
>> >> >> >> >> 2009/10/11 Alex Baumann <akme.baum...@gmail.com>:
>> >> >> >> >> > ok - see new
>> >> >> >> >> > 2009/10/8 Chris Baulman <chrisbaul...@hotmail.com>:
>> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Alex - I sent you the wrong attachment yesterday - could
>> >> >> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> >> >> load
>> >> >> >> >> >> the one
>> >> >> >> >> >> attached now.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks Chris
>> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry Alex - cancel that last reload because there is a
>> >> >> >> >> >> mistake
>> >> >> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> >> >> it.
>> >> >> >> >> >> The
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