On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:16:59 -0700 (PDT), Mindy <usrc...@gmail.com> wrote: >after viewing the links you gave, although I'm sorry to say I am >limited to understanding only one language, I can understand your >agressiveness. If more people would 'research' the pro's and con's >they may not be able to be as easily fooled.
The scene, which causes all the dead, "works" in several overlapping areas, from Hamer-stuff to anti-vaccination, from selling of "natural" pills to "faith healing" and psychic stuff. They are deadly dangerous.
Reasons why they are not stopped: Politicians are part of that scene and/or are corrupt. The same is true for the legal system, which is mixed up with politics scene. It is one big sect mafia. The medical scene has its professional code of conduct, which actually shields the doers, instead of prosecuting them. Also a dangerous mafia scene. Politicians, lawyers, doctors - the same burden to society as hundreds and hundreds of years before. -- POLICE - POLIZEI - POLITIE - POLICIA
On Sep 18, 12:47 pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:16:59 -0700 (PDT), Mindy <usrc...@gmail.com> wrote: > >after viewing the links you gave, although I'm sorry to say I am > >limited to understanding only one language, I can understand your > >agressiveness. If more people would 'research' the pro's and con's > >they may not be able to be as easily fooled.
> The scene, which causes all the dead, "works" in several overlapping areas, from > Hamer-stuff to anti-vaccination, from selling of "natural" pills to "faith > healing" and psychic stuff. They are deadly dangerous.
---- *I must bite tongue.I will be the first to admit, I do not know enough about the above mentioned, to even try to debate over any of them, regardless as to my *beliefs* or *practices* ----
> Reasons why they are not stopped: Politicians are part of that scene and/or are > corrupt. The same is true for the legal system
---- *my legal system includes police, which it appears to me, you are fond of? ---- , which is mixed up with politics
> scene. It is one big sect mafia. The medical scene has its professional code of > conduct, which actually shields the doers, instead of prosecuting them.
---- *Medical mal-practice lawsuits happen all the time in the USA ----
> Also a > dangerous mafia scene. Politicians, lawyers, doctors
---- *Ok, I must admit I am confused. Are there any groups pertaining to the care of people you do not view as hostile? Or am I splitting your phrases wrong which is thus causing me my confusion?
I've known you to get very emotional when people are against vaccination, yet it seems to me that you are, here, lumping politians, lawyer and doctors into one dangerous mafia scene... is this a misunderstanding on my part? ---- - the same burden to
> society as hundreds and hundreds of years before. > -- > POLICE - POLIZEI - POLITIE - POLICIA
I am not a conspiracy theorist but that is not to say conspiracy theories do not exsist, or that they cannot become actual instead of theory
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On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:33:02 -0700 (PDT), Mindy <usrc...@gmail.com> wrote: >On Sep 18, 12:47 pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote: >> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:16:59 -0700 (PDT), Mindy <usrc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >after viewing the links you gave, although I'm sorry to say I am >> >limited to understanding only one language, I can understand your >> >agressiveness. If more people would 'research' the pro's and con's >> >they may not be able to be as easily fooled.
>> The scene, which causes all the dead, "works" in several overlapping areas, from >> Hamer-stuff to anti-vaccination, from selling of "natural" pills to "faith >> healing" and psychic stuff. They are deadly dangerous. >---- >*I must bite tongue.I will be the first to admit, I do not know enough >about the above mentioned, to even try to debate over any of them, >regardless as to my *beliefs* or *practices* >----
>> Reasons why they are not stopped: Politicians are part of that scene and/or are >> corrupt. The same is true for the legal system >---- >*my legal system includes police, which it appears to me, you are fond >of?
I am NOT fond of it. The problem is to fight against cvriminals who make their own laws BY USING THESE LAWS, and to use a legal system which THESE CRIMINALS made.
That is NOT easy...
>---- >, which is mixed up with politics >> scene. It is one big sect mafia. The medical scene has its professional code of >> conduct, which actually shields the doers, instead of prosecuting them. >---- >*Medical mal-practice lawsuits happen all the time in the USA
A lawsuit does not mean that the victim of the medical doctors win the case. Recently we had a case in court, where the patient had died and the medical doctor, who had used Hulda Clark's idiotic zapper stuff and other crap, went out free...
>---- >> Also a >> dangerous mafia scene. Politicians, lawyers, doctors >---- >*Ok, I must admit I am confused. Are there any groups pertaining to >the care of people you do not view as hostile? Or am I splitting your >phrases wrong which is thus causing me my confusion?
I do not know if there is an English expression. In German it is called "die Honoratioren".
The politicians make laws which the courts must follow. The medical doctors make expertises, which cause the politicians make certains laws. The courts COULD control the politicians, but don't. The courts COULD control the medical doctors, but don't.
They altogether for a network, in which they depend on each other to continue their crimes.
If the politicians would forbid anthroposophy in Germany, the whole medical would be dramatically changed for the good.
If the politicians would forbid homeopathy in Germany, the whole medical would be dramatically changed for the good.
The homeopaths and the anthroposophs for THE BASE of the anti-vacc scene in germany. If both were banned, the anti-vacc crime also would be stopped. Also ENORMOUS losses of the health-care system in germany would be stopped.
If... But it isn't.
And so on.
>I've known you to get very emotional when people are against >vaccination, yet it seems to me that you are, here, lumping politians, >lawyer and doctors into one dangerous mafia scene... is this a >misunderstanding on my part?
The point is: If you try to attack a medical doctor because of his wrong-doing, you have these enemies: 1. the medical associations of profession, which do not expell the criminals 2. the courts, which do not inforce EXISTING laws 3. the politicians who do not make APPRORPIATE laws.
In Germany politics has the power TO COMMAND the attorneys of state to make certains actions or decisions. So politics COULD stop a lot of crime by direct order. But they don't.
An example: Ryke Geerd Hamer fled to Spain. France made the Spaniards to hand him over, so Hamer could be put into jail in France. Neither Austria nor Germany did that. Now Hamer is in Norway. Nothing happens.
Followers of Hamer are part of the medical doctor scene in Germany. They still have their license, they still go on treating their patients according to Hamer's idiocy. NOTHING happens to these criminals. Really NOTHING. Even if it is absolutely clear that these medical doctors caused the death of patients.
So we have 3 strong groups who support the criminals: the professional associations of the medical doctors, the courts, and the politicians.
If you write about these criminals, they sue YOU because you do damage to their image. Crazy, isn't it? That is Germany today, in the year 2009...
People die, and the criminals behind that go on unhindered.
>---- > - the same burden to >> society as hundreds and hundreds of years before. >I am not a conspiracy theorist but that is not to say conspiracy >theories do not exsist, or that they cannot become actual instead of >theory
It is not a conspiracy in the sense of a leading head and a COMMONLY acting group OF ALL. It is - as some time was pointed out by a Walter van Rossum, a German writer - a mix: "komplexer Mix aus Charakterlosigkeit, Korruption, Desorientierung und Berechnung...", see this quote from an interview with him in april 2009:
Sie haben mit Gabrielle Gillen das "Schwarzbuch Deutschland" herausgegeben, ein "Handbuch der vermissten Informationen". Jedes der behandelten Stichworte stellt einen Skandal dar, der eigentlich die Republik in ihren Grundfesten erschüttern müsste, aber so gut wie nie an die Oberfläche der öffentlichen Wahrnehmung dringt. Was sind ihrer Meinung nach die schlimmsten Vergehen, die im "Schwarzbuch Deutschland" abgehandelt werden?
Walter van Rossum: Der Skandal ist das Buch selbst. Genauer gesagt, dass das, was da verhandelt wird, in diesem Land sonst nicht verhandelt wird. Wir sagen ja nicht einmal: Wir wissen es besser, sondern wir sehen etwas anderes. Bei der Arbeit an diesem Buch habe ich noch einmal aus der Nähe verstanden, dass Demokratie unter anderem auch ein funktionales Konzept ist: permanente Kritik. Die Aufklärung hat nie behauptet, sie wäre gleichbedeutend mit positivem Wissen - wie ihr von der Postmoderne gerne vorgeworfen wird. Die Aufklärung hat nur eine Methode: Kritik. Und Demokratie bedeutet, die Institutionalisierung von Kritik und programmatischer Differenz. Konkurrenz im besten Sinne.
Bei uns gibt es in der breiten Öffentlichkeit und für eine breite Öffentlichkeit keine Alternativen mehr. Das sehen Sie alleine daran, dass das Personal in Politik, Wirtschaft, Medien und Wissenschaft in einer beispiellos konzertierten Aktion den Karren gegen die Wand fährt, und es sind exakt die gleichen Figuren, die jetzt vorgeben neue Verkehrsregeln zu ersinnen.
Wie kommt es, dass über für die Gesellschaft essentiell wichtige Punkte wie z.B. Altervorsorge, Gesundheitswesen und Medien irreführende Falschinformationen im Umlauf sind, so dass es mit Hilfe der gängigen Medien nicht mehr möglich ist ein angemessenes Bild von der Welt zu machen?
Walter van Rossum: Darüber könnte ich jetzt zwei Stunden reden. In der Kurzfassung handelt es sich um einen komplexen Mix aus Charakterlosigkeit, Korruption, Desorientierung und Berechnung. Die Grundlage von allem ist der Konformismus. Und in unseren Zeiten ist es der leidenschaftliche und pedantische Konformismus der parlamentarischen Mitte, die bekanntlich 95 Prozent des Spektrums ausfüllt. Der Rest unterliegt bereits der Bebachtung des Verfassungsschutzes. Man sollte nicht - oder nur in wenigen Fällen - davon ausgehen, dass Journalisten eine eigene Weltwahrnehmung hätten. Medienkonzerne wollen die Mitte abschöpfen. Medien sind äußerst lukrative Unternehmen. Allerdings leben sie nur an zweiter Stelle vom redaktionellen Inhalt. Bei den Zeitungen sind es bis zu 70 Prozent des Umsatzes, der durch Werbung gemacht wird.
Sehen Sie sich die TAZ an. Weil die mal links war und heute gerne noch so tut als wäre sie links, haben die kaum Werbung. Beim Privatfernsehen wird alles über Werbung finanziert. Wer glaubt, dass hätte keinen Einfluss auf die redaktionelle Arbeit, ist nicht von dieser Welt. Hier und da leistet man sich eine eigene Stimme. Das sieht dann nach eigenständigem Journalismus aus. </quote>
THIS is much harder to attack than an ordinary conspiracy (although conspiracies of cours teka place WITHIN this desaster) or to shot a tyrant. A tyrant you can shoot or put a bomb under his seat. But how can you attack a WHOLE WALL of mist? You never hit the ones responsible, you all the time only hit the armed forces of THE STATE, or THE COMPANY, or ...
ALL the criminals can hide behind organisations. And the organisations are part of/in networks.
Have you seen the film "Brazil". Is old, made in 1985, and Michael Palin is one of the stars:
> > Jan Drew has no chance. She is so stupid she even cannot count to 2.
> > FAQ about JAN DREW, the Net stalker and agent for the naturopathic mafia > > ========================================================================
> > Part V > > ======
> > 1. The 3rd Jan Drew shows up. Who is he? > > 2. The history of Jan Drew > > 3. Where is Jan Drew? > > 4. Bloomington, Indiana - what a town...? > > 5. Jan Drew in Bloomington, Indiana > > 6. The second marriage of Janet Mae Stidd
> > 1. The 3rd Jan Drew shows up. Who is he? > > ========================================
> > Yesterday, on July 15th., 2009, Jan Drew used this email address:
> > Oh, dear [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] is shouting > > again. You should be careful. Remember you > > will be 64 in November of this year. > > Regardless of all your antics to prove otherwise. The fact is you > > posted your birthday.
> > On Jul 15, 11:27 pm, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] > > wrote:
> > > For years Jan has felt it is her right to report anyone she wishes to > > > their ISP or email provider.
> > > She has now claimed that she has reported me.
> > > It is time to stop her.
> > > I am asking everyone who is fed up with this disgusting person's > > > actions to report her to her ISP: Make it so that they will do > > > something because they are working too hard dealing with complaints > > > about her.
> > > I suggest you read your terms of service > > > At Gmail.com,Optimum.net, cv.net, and google.com
> > You are not fooling me, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years]. > > I happen to know you reported > > me several days ago. > > And, what does Torah say about turnabout is fair play? > > </quote>
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