(OMNS, October 27, 2009) Swine flu. Bird flu. The media has everyone worrying about epidemics and pandemics. Yet there is nothing said about one of the great communicable diseases of all time: the plague. The Black Death. No, it is not extinct. There are new cases of plague in the United States every year, totaling over 400 cases since 1950.
Why isn't your doctor urging you to get one? Do you know anyone who has had a plague vaccination? Then why is there no plague epidemic? And why is vaccination supposedly the only way to stop a flu epidemic?
One proffered explanation is that the diseases are dissimilar, because influenza is viral, and plague is bacterial. But tetanus is bacterial, and we aggressively vaccinate against that. Indeed, the CDC http://www.cdc.gov/ncird/dbd.html specifies a considerable number of Vaccine Preventable Diseases http://www.cdc.gov/ncird/dbd.html#meningvpd which are bacterial. These include, among others: anthrax, bacterial meningitis, diphtheria, Haemophilus influenzae serotype b, and, of course, pertussis (whooping cough).
Plague is not even on the CDC's list. Wait a minute! The Black Death, the disease that killed at least a quarter of Europe, hasn't even made the list of Vaccine Preventable Diseases?
Worldwide, there are over 2,000 cases, and hundreds of deaths, every year from the plague. In the United States, human plague cases average about 10 to 15 per year. http://www.dhpe.org/infect/plague.html Most cases are in the Southwest. http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/plague/plagwest.htm CDC states that "persons who have regular contact with wild rodents or their fleas" in areas in which plague has occurred should be vaccinated. That's right, it isn't just rats that carry the fleas that carry the plague. Squirrels, mice, rabbits, coyotes, woodchucks, cats and dogs all carry fleas. Fleas are found everywhere. Then why isn't plague everywhere?
One explanation is that plague is climate related. This map shows plague distribution in the US: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/plague/plagwest.htm If incidence were related merely to the heat of the day, we might expect a fair share of plague cases in Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, and Alabama. But there aren't. If plague is temperature-dependent, it is a confusing illness to say the least: how come almost all USA cases are in the warm, dry Southwest and yet plague decimated Europe in the 1300s? Most of Europe is a lot cooler than the American southwest. Indeed, too warm a climate may actually stop the spread of plague. http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSL24636220080902
Perhaps plague does not spread because disease-carrying insects don't migrate very much. You wish. Insects spread rather rapidly. The Japanese beetle is an example. First discovered in the US in 1916, and seemingly limited to a one-half square mile area, in less than five years it had spread to 213 square miles of New Jersey. http://www.mosquito.rutgers.edu/jb.htm. In far less than a human lifetime, these insects took over twenty states, from Maine to Montana to South Carolina. Insects are everywhere. That does not exclude fleas.
Unfortunately, rats have spread everywhere, too. No major city, town or farm is free of them.
What is striking about the plague is that it is still around and practically no one gets it. One must keep in mind that this disease killed 50 million people. Eventually, the great Black Death epidemics ended. Somehow. The epidemics were not stopped by killing every flea, every rodent or every house pet. The epidemics were not stopped by antibiotics, nor were the epidemics stopped by mass vaccination. Neither were available.
So if you, and the entire population of the USA, are not vaccinated against the plague, why doesn't it spread now in 2009 the way it spread in the past, killing at least one in four?
Generally, improved sanitation and improved nutrition are credited with such a victory.
If these work with plague, they might make a rather big impact on the flu.
There is a ready alternative: to build up our immune systems, we can utilize large, orthomolecular doses of nutrients. Vitamin D, niacin, thiamine (vitamin B1), and vitamin C reduce the duration and severity of influenza. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v04n04.shtml Many physicians consider high doses of vitamin C to be so powerful an antiviral that it may be considered the "other" immunization for a variety influenza strains. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v01n12.shtml
Flu shots are big news, and not a few would say that they are big business. But there has been no governmental push whatsoever for plague vaccination.
How come we supposedly need the one shot, and not the other?
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> (OMNS, October 27, 2009) Swine flu. Bird flu. The media has everyone > worrying about epidemics and pandemics. Yet there is nothing said about one > of the great communicable diseases of all time: the plague.
But not communicable human to human. Rat flea to human, yes.
The Black Death.
> No, it is not extinct. There are new cases of plague in the United States > every year, totaling over 400 cases since 1950.
I have seen the plague wipe out a village in Vietnam. I have had the plague shot. To the best of my knowledge not one GI came down with the plague in Vietnam.
This post by John is the usual crap.
> So have you had your plague shot?
> You haven't?
> Why isn't your doctor urging you to get one?
Because most people do not live in areas where they can get it.
Do you know anyone who has had
> a plague vaccination?
Yes. Me.
> Then why is there no plague epidemic?
See above. It is a regional disease.
And why is
> vaccination supposedly the only way to stop a flu epidemic?
Because it is readily communicable person to person.
Boy,is this writer stupid, or what?
> One proffered explanation is that the diseases are dissimilar, because > influenza is viral, and plague is bacterial. But tetanus is bacterial, and > we aggressively vaccinate against that. Indeed, the CDChttp://www.cdc.gov/ncird/dbd.htmlspecifies a considerable number of Vaccine > Preventable Diseaseshttp://www.cdc.gov/ncird/dbd.html#meningvpdwhich are > bacterial. These include, among others: anthrax, bacterial meningitis, > diphtheria, Haemophilus influenzae serotype b, and, of course, pertussis > (whooping cough).
> Plague is not even on the CDC's list. Wait a minute! The Black Death, the > disease that killed at least a quarter of Europe, hasn't even made the list > of Vaccine Preventable Diseases?
See above. This writer gets more stupid with every word.
> Worldwide, there are over 2,000 cases, and hundreds of deaths, every year > from the plague. In the United States, human plague cases average about 10 > to 15 per year.http://www.dhpe.org/infect/plague.htmlMost cases are in the > Southwest.http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/plague/plagwest.htmCDC states > that "persons who have regular contact with wild rodents or their fleas" in > areas in which plague has occurred should be vaccinated. That's right, it > isn't just rats that carry the fleas that carry the plague. Squirrels, mice, > rabbits, coyotes, woodchucks, cats and dogs all carry fleas. Fleas are found > everywhere. Then why isn't plague everywhere?
Because you stopped researching to write this stupid article.
> One explanation is that plague is climate related. This map shows plague > distribution in the US:http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/plague/plagwest.htm > If incidence were related merely to the heat of the day, we might expect a > fair share of plague cases in Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, and Alabama. But > there aren't. If plague is temperature-dependent, it is a confusing illness > to say the least: how come almost all USA cases are in the warm, dry > Southwest and yet plague decimated Europe in the 1300s? Most of Europe is a > lot cooler than the American southwest. Indeed, too warm a climate may > actually stop the spread of plague.http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSL24636220080902
> Perhaps plague does not spread because disease-carrying insects don't > migrate very much. You wish. Insects spread rather rapidly. The Japanese > beetle is an example.
Not all bugs get frequent flier miles. Idiot.
First discovered in the US in 1916, and seemingly
> limited to a one-half square mile area, in less than five years it had > spread to 213 square miles of New Jersey.http://www.mosquito.rutgers.edu/jb.htm. In far less than a human lifetime, > these insects took over twenty states, from Maine to Montana to South > Carolina. Insects are everywhere. That does not exclude fleas.
> Unfortunately, rats have spread everywhere, too. No major city, town or farm > is free of them.
Some rats even write stupid articles.
> What is striking about the plague is that it is still around and practically > no one gets it. One must keep in mind that this disease killed 50 million > people. Eventually, the great Black Death epidemics ended. Somehow. The > epidemics were not stopped by killing every flea, every rodent or every > house pet. The epidemics were not stopped by antibiotics, nor were the > epidemics stopped by mass vaccination. Neither were available.
> So if you, and the entire population of the USA, are not vaccinated against > the plague, why doesn't it spread now in 2009 the way it spread in the past, > killing at least one in four?
> Generally, improved sanitation and improved nutrition are credited with such > a victory.
> If these work with plague, they might make a rather big impact on the flu.
> There is a ready alternative: to build up our immune systems, we can utilize > large, orthomolecular doses of nutrients. Vitamin D, niacin, thiamine > (vitamin B1), and vitamin C reduce the duration and severity of influenza.http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v04n04.shtmlMany physicians > consider high doses of vitamin C to be so powerful an antiviral that it may > be considered the "other" immunization for a variety influenza strains.http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v01n12.shtml
> Flu shots are big news, and not a few would say that they are big business. > But there has been no governmental push whatsoever for plague vaccination.
> How come we supposedly need the one shot, and not the other?
> Nutritional Medicine is Orthomolecular Medicine
Bullshit. Orthomolecular medicine is bullshit, Nutritional medicine has some basis in reality.
>> (OMNS, October 27, 2009) Swine flu. Bird flu. The media has everyone >> worrying about epidemics and pandemics. Yet there is nothing said about one >> of the great communicable diseases of all time: the plague.
>But not communicable human to human. Rat flea to human, yes.
>The Black Death. >> No, it is not extinct. There are new cases of plague in the United States >> every year, totaling over 400 cases since 1950.
>I have seen the plague wipe out a village in Vietnam. I have had the >plague shot. To the best of my knowledge not one GI came down with the >plague in Vietnam.
>This post by John is the usual crap.
>> So have you had your plague shot?
>> You haven't?
>> Why isn't your doctor urging you to get one?
>Because most people do not live in areas where they can get it.
>Do you know anyone who has had >> a plague vaccination?
>Yes. Me.
Me also. I frequent areas of the Southwester US, Sierra Nevada and California Coastal Mountain Range which have had frequent reports of Rodents (ground squirrels) which are infected.
>> Then why is there no plague epidemic?
>See above. It is a regional disease.
and most people do avoid potential carriers. Those of us which do frequent areas which are infected have the vaccination.
>And why is >> vaccination supposedly the only way to stop a flu epidemic?
>Because it is readily communicable person to person.
>> One proffered explanation is that the diseases are dissimilar, because >> influenza is viral, and plague is bacterial. But tetanus is bacterial, and >> we aggressively vaccinate against that. Indeed, the CDChttp://www.cdc.gov/ncird/dbd.htmlspecifies a considerable number of Vaccine >> Preventable Diseaseshttp://www.cdc.gov/ncird/dbd.html#meningvpdwhich are >> bacterial. These include, among others: anthrax, bacterial meningitis, >> diphtheria, Haemophilus influenzae serotype b, and, of course, pertussis >> (whooping cough).
>> Plague is not even on the CDC's list. Wait a minute! The Black Death, the >> disease that killed at least a quarter of Europe, hasn't even made the list >> of Vaccine Preventable Diseases?
>See above. This writer gets more stupid with every word.
>> Worldwide, there are over 2,000 cases, and hundreds of deaths, every year >> from the plague. In the United States, human plague cases average about 10 >> to 15 per year.http://www.dhpe.org/infect/plague.htmlMost cases are in the >> Southwest.http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/plague/plagwest.htmCDC states >> that "persons who have regular contact with wild rodents or their fleas" in >> areas in which plague has occurred should be vaccinated. That's right, it >> isn't just rats that carry the fleas that carry the plague. Squirrels, mice, >> rabbits, coyotes, woodchucks, cats and dogs all carry fleas. Fleas are found >> everywhere. Then why isn't plague everywhere?
>Because you stopped researching to write this stupid article.
>> One explanation is that plague is climate related. This map shows plague >> distribution in the US:http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/plague/plagwest.htm >> If incidence were related merely to the heat of the day, we might expect a >> fair share of plague cases in Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, and Alabama. But >> there aren't. If plague is temperature-dependent, it is a confusing illness >> to say the least: how come almost all USA cases are in the warm, dry >> Southwest and yet plague decimated Europe in the 1300s? Most of Europe is a >> lot cooler than the American southwest. Indeed, too warm a climate may >> actually stop the spread of plague.http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSL24636220080902
>> Perhaps plague does not spread because disease-carrying insects don't >> migrate very much. You wish. Insects spread rather rapidly. The Japanese >> beetle is an example.
>Not all bugs get frequent flier miles. Idiot.
>First discovered in the US in 1916, and seemingly >> limited to a one-half square mile area, in less than five years it had >> spread to 213 square miles of New Jersey.http://www.mosquito.rutgers.edu/jb.htm. In far less than a human lifetime, >> these insects took over twenty states, from Maine to Montana to South >> Carolina. Insects are everywhere. That does not exclude fleas.
>> Unfortunately, rats have spread everywhere, too. No major city, town or farm >> is free of them.
>Some rats even write stupid articles.
>> What is striking about the plague is that it is still around and practically >> no one gets it. One must keep in mind that this disease killed 50 million >> people. Eventually, the great Black Death epidemics ended. Somehow. The >> epidemics were not stopped by killing every flea, every rodent or every >> house pet. The epidemics were not stopped by antibiotics, nor were the >> epidemics stopped by mass vaccination. Neither were available.
>> So if you, and the entire population of the USA, are not vaccinated against >> the plague, why doesn't it spread now in 2009 the way it spread in the past, >> killing at least one in four?
>> Generally, improved sanitation and improved nutrition are credited with such >> a victory.
>> If these work with plague, they might make a rather big impact on the flu.
>> There is a ready alternative: to build up our immune systems, we can utilize >> large, orthomolecular doses of nutrients. Vitamin D, niacin, thiamine >> (vitamin B1), and vitamin C reduce the duration and severity of influenza.http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v04n04.shtmlMany physicians >> consider high doses of vitamin C to be so powerful an antiviral that it may >> be considered the "other" immunization for a variety influenza strains.http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v01n12.shtml
>> Flu shots are big news, and not a few would say that they are big business. >> But there has been no governmental push whatsoever for plague vaccination.
>> How come we supposedly need the one shot, and not the other?
>> Nutritional Medicine is Orthomolecular Medicine
>Bullshit. Orthomolecular medicine is bullshit, Nutritional medicine >has some basis in reality.
>> Orthomolecular medicine uses safe, effective nutritional therapy to fight >> illness. For more information:http://www.orthomolecular.org
Every time John cites his worthless web site declare a win by everyone but him. Scofie's Law.
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:50:32 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
> Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > >On Oct 28, 4:31 am, "john" <nos...@bt.com> wrote: > >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > >> Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, October 27, 2009http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v05n05.shtml
> >> Shots or Not? The Plague, the Flu, and You
> >> (OMNS, October 27, 2009) Swine flu. Bird flu. The media has everyone > >> worrying about epidemics and pandemics. Yet there is nothing said about one > >> of the great communicable diseases of all time: the plague.
> >But not communicable human to human. Rat flea to human, yes.
> >The Black Death. > >> No, it is not extinct. There are new cases of plague in the United States > >> every year, totaling over 400 cases since 1950.
> >I have seen the plague wipe out a village in Vietnam. I have had the > >plague shot. To the best of my knowledge not one GI came down with the > >plague in Vietnam.
> >This post by John is the usual crap.
> >> So have you had your plague shot?
> >> You haven't?
> >> Why isn't your doctor urging you to get one?
> >Because most people do not live in areas where they can get it.
> >Do you know anyone who has had > >> a plague vaccination?
> >Yes. Me.
> Me also. I frequent areas of the Southwester US, Sierra Nevada and > California Coastal Mountain Range which have had frequent reports of > Rodents (ground squirrels) which are infected.
> >> Then why is there no plague epidemic?
> >See above. It is a regional disease.
> and most people do avoid potential carriers. Those of us which do > frequent areas which are infected have the vaccination.
> >And why is > >> vaccination supposedly the only way to stop a flu epidemic?
> >Because it is readily communicable person to person.
> >Boy,is this writer stupid, or what?
> Scofie's Law says it all.
> >> One proffered explanation is that the diseases are dissimilar, because > >> influenza is viral, and plague is bacterial. But tetanus is bacterial, and > >> we aggressively vaccinate against that. Indeed, the CDChttp://www.cdc.gov/ncird/dbd.htmlspecifiesa considerable number of Vaccine > >> Preventable Diseaseshttp://www.cdc.gov/ncird/dbd.html#meningvpdwhichare > >> bacterial. These include, among others: anthrax, bacterial meningitis, > >> diphtheria, Haemophilus influenzae serotype b, and, of course, pertussis > >> (whooping cough).
> >> Plague is not even on the CDC's list. Wait a minute! The Black Death, the > >> disease that killed at least a quarter of Europe, hasn't even made the list > >> of Vaccine Preventable Diseases?
> >See above. This writer gets more stupid with every word.
> >> Worldwide, there are over 2,000 cases, and hundreds of deaths, every year > >> from the plague. In the United States, human plague cases average about 10 > >> to 15 per year.http://www.dhpe.org/infect/plague.htmlMostcases are in the > >> Southwest.http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/plague/plagwest.htmCDCstates > >> that "persons who have regular contact with wild rodents or their fleas" in > >> areas in which plague has occurred should be vaccinated. That's right, it > >> isn't just rats that carry the fleas that carry the plague. Squirrels, mice, > >> rabbits, coyotes, woodchucks, cats and dogs all carry fleas. Fleas are found > >> everywhere. Then why isn't plague everywhere?
> >Because you stopped researching to write this stupid article.
> >> One explanation is that plague is climate related. This map shows plague > >> distribution in the US:http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/plague/plagwest.htm > >> If incidence were related merely to the heat of the day, we might expect a > >> fair share of plague cases in Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, and Alabama. But > >> there aren't. If plague is temperature-dependent, it is a confusing illness > >> to say the least: how come almost all USA cases are in the warm, dry > >> Southwest and yet plague decimated Europe in the 1300s? Most of Europe is a > >> lot cooler than the American southwest. Indeed, too warm a climate may > >> actually stop the spread of plague.http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSL24636220080902
> >> Perhaps plague does not spread because disease-carrying insects don't > >> migrate very much. You wish. Insects spread rather rapidly. The Japanese > >> beetle is an example.
> >Not all bugs get frequent flier miles. Idiot.
> >First discovered in the US in 1916, and seemingly > >> limited to a one-half square mile area, in less than five years it had > >> spread to 213 square miles of New Jersey.http://www.mosquito.rutgers.edu/jb.htm. In far less than a human lifetime, > >> these insects took over twenty states, from Maine to Montana to South > >> Carolina. Insects are everywhere. That does not exclude fleas.
> >> Unfortunately, rats have spread everywhere, too. No major city, town or farm > >> is free of them.
> >Some rats even write stupid articles.
> >> What is striking about the plague is that it is still around and practically > >> no one gets it. One must keep in mind that this disease killed 50 million > >> people. Eventually, the great Black Death epidemics ended. Somehow. The > >> epidemics were not stopped by killing every flea, every rodent or every > >> house pet. The epidemics were not stopped by antibiotics, nor were the > >> epidemics stopped by mass vaccination. Neither were available.
> >> So if you, and the entire population of the USA, are not vaccinated against > >> the plague, why doesn't it spread now in 2009 the way it spread in the past, > >> killing at least one in four?
> >> Generally, improved sanitation and improved nutrition are credited with such > >> a victory.
> >> If these work with plague, they might make a rather big impact on the flu.
> >> There is a ready alternative: to build up our immune systems, we can utilize > >> large, orthomolecular doses of nutrients. Vitamin D, niacin, thiamine > >> (vitamin B1), and vitamin C reduce the duration and severity of influenza.http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v04n04.shtmlManyphysicians > >> consider high doses of vitamin C to be so powerful an antiviral that it may > >> be considered the "other" immunization for a variety influenza strains.http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v01n12.shtml
> >> Flu shots are big news, and not a few would say that they are big business. > >> But there has been no governmental push whatsoever for plague vaccination.
> >> How come we supposedly need the one shot, and not the other?
> >> Nutritional Medicine is Orthomolecular Medicine
> >Bullshit. Orthomolecular medicine is bullshit, Nutritional medicine > >has some basis in reality.
> >> Orthomolecular medicine uses safe, effective nutritional therapy to fight > >> illness. For more information:http://www.orthomolecular.org
> Every time John cites his worthless web site declare a win by > everyone but him. Scofie's Law.
Wht offends me about the original article is that I have seen plague. In RVN there was a vil which we went to for a MedCAP. I was one of the men providing security for the medics.
When we entered the vil it was silent nd reeked of death. Since there had been no VC or NVA activity in the area we were concerned. We entered one hooch and found the family all dead, no evidence of trauma. Other hooches, same thing. Finally one of the medics announces that the deaths look to be from plague.
We called in some MDs who also felt that way, and we evacuated the few who were still living and us. We used willy peter to cleanse the immediate area which was followed up by a major napalm cleansing by B-52s.
