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  <title type="text">misc.consumers Google Group</title>
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  Consumer interests, product reviews, etc.
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  <updated>2009-11-09T01:50:10Z</updated>
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  <author>
  <name>Dave C.</name>
  <email>no...@nohow.never</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T13:00:30Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/60288635aa0e22d5/404964aeb9990dfb?show_docid=404964aeb9990dfb</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/60288635aa0e22d5/404964aeb9990dfb?show_docid=404964aeb9990dfb"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Time to move to Canada?</title>
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  On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:36:22 -0500 &lt;br&gt; Wow is that some fucked-up logic, or what? If we weren&#39;t forced to buy &lt;br&gt; insurance for our cars, insurance companies would have to work harder &lt;br&gt; to convince us that it&#39;s worth buying. Like making it cheaper for us. &lt;br&gt; But since we&#39;re forced to buy it, there&#39;s no point in even trying to
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  <author>
  <name>krw</name>
  <email>k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-09T01:50:10Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/dff28f482d02ae5c/9ffcd0d1019996b9?show_docid=9ffcd0d1019996b9</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/dff28f482d02ae5c/9ffcd0d1019996b9?show_docid=9ffcd0d1019996b9"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Subsidy Nonsense Yet Again</title>
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  On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:25:01 -0500, &amp;quot;h&amp;quot; &amp;lt;tmcl...@searchmachine.com&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt; wrote: &lt;br&gt; Sure, he&#39;s still whining. He&#39;s no different than any of the little &lt;br&gt; leftist who want to own your soul.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Sum Guy</name>
  <email>s...@guy.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-09T01:36:22Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/60288635aa0e22d5/2e0658c244ed8d2a?show_docid=2e0658c244ed8d2a</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/60288635aa0e22d5/2e0658c244ed8d2a?show_docid=2e0658c244ed8d2a"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Time to move to Canada?</title>
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  You can&#39;t drive a car legally in any state without having liability &lt;br&gt; insurance in place for the car. &lt;br&gt; That means (in theory) that everyone&#39;s car insurance is the lowest it &lt;br&gt; can possibly be because everyone is basically forced to obtain insurance &lt;br&gt; for their car. Everyone is paying into the system. &lt;br&gt; The single biggest problem with US health care is that many people elect
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  <author>
  <name>elmer</name>
  <email>e...@f.udd</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-09T01:30:48Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/316438e34b0b9fd0/6666dbd695ea4a27?show_docid=6666dbd695ea4a27</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/316438e34b0b9fd0/6666dbd695ea4a27?show_docid=6666dbd695ea4a27"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Owens Breaks 4 Promises in 1st Hour - How Do We Protect Ourselves AgainQ</title>
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  This bill is dead in the Senate. &lt;br&gt; Does the House Bill still have the kick Granny off the cliff provision &lt;br&gt; and the mandatory death counciling( encourage suicide) provision?
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  <author>
  <name>h</name>
  <email>tmcl...@searchmachine.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-09T01:25:38Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/dff28f482d02ae5c/896c2221c2403de6?show_docid=896c2221c2403de6</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/dff28f482d02ae5c/896c2221c2403de6?show_docid=896c2221c2403de6"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Subsidy Nonsense Yet Again</title>
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  Assuming they live where there are buses.
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  <author>
  <name>h</name>
  <email>tmcl...@searchmachine.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-09T01:25:01Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/dff28f482d02ae5c/06a048a4c1cf6b13?show_docid=06a048a4c1cf6b13</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/dff28f482d02ae5c/06a048a4c1cf6b13?show_docid=06a048a4c1cf6b13"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Subsidy Nonsense Yet Again</title>
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  Is little Scottie still whinging on about car owners? Does he REALLY not get &lt;br&gt; that roads are not just for cars? He&#39;d starve to death without roads, since &lt;br&gt; without them trucks wouldn&#39;t be able to bring his food into the city. Also, &lt;br&gt; buses need roads, too, or does he really think people shouldn&#39;t travel AT
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  <author>
  <name>Sum Guy</name>
  <email>s...@guy.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-09T01:09:35Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/f333c90518b2f877/6a214cfe87d23434?show_docid=6a214cfe87d23434</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/f333c90518b2f877/6a214cfe87d23434?show_docid=6a214cfe87d23434"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Spam</title>
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  krw wrote: &lt;br&gt; I&#39;m not asking you to keep it. &lt;br&gt; And if you haven&#39;t seen any, then why do you lie when you claim that &lt;br&gt; spam comes from aioe? &lt;br&gt; What kind of two-faced shit-for-brains are you? &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;It&#39;s trivial for me to look at your full header. But so what? &lt;br&gt; You say you use Individual. So what? What is that supposed to tell
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  <author>
  <name>Dave C.</name>
  <email>no...@nohow.never</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T12:05:14Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/60288635aa0e22d5/698ad40892892cd9?show_docid=698ad40892892cd9"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Time to move to Canada?</title>
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  On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:21:45 -0500 &lt;br&gt; No, it isn&#39;t. The Republican sponsored bill, which was also bad, would &lt;br&gt; have been a thousand times better than the Democrat/Socialist &lt;br&gt; sponsored bill that did pass. &lt;br&gt; You&#39;re asking me? I could only guess at the answer for a few states &lt;br&gt; that I have lived in. My current state (NY) is too liberal to come up
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  <author>
  <name>krw</name>
  <email>k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-09T00:42:30Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/f333c90518b2f877/4c3246e94321982e?show_docid=4c3246e94321982e</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/f333c90518b2f877/4c3246e94321982e?show_docid=4c3246e94321982e"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Spam</title>
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  I don&#39;t keep spam, but you&#39;re welcome to collect whatever floats your &lt;br&gt; boat. &lt;br&gt; I use Individual, as you&#39;d know if you had half a brain. I pay them a &lt;br&gt; grand total of 10EUR/year. Yeah, that&#39;s the reason I hate AIOE, &lt;br&gt; because I pay so much for Usenet service instead of using a &amp;quot;free&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; spam and kook encrusted service that too many have blocked. Yeah,
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  <author>
  <name>Sum Guy</name>
  <email>s...@guy.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-09T00:21:45Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/60288635aa0e22d5/96a05e5deaae9550?show_docid=96a05e5deaae9550</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/60288635aa0e22d5/96a05e5deaae9550?show_docid=96a05e5deaae9550"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Time to move to Canada?</title>
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  Um, please re-read what I said. &lt;br&gt; I was not saying that a solution should or must originate and be &lt;br&gt; enforced at the federal level. That certainly DOES NOT HAPPEN in &lt;br&gt; Canada. That&#39;s not the way it works here. &lt;br&gt; I was saying that because of the fractured way the US operates at the &lt;br&gt; state level, there is no hope that this issue of healthcare reform would
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  <author>
  <name>Sum Guy</name>
  <email>s...@guy.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-09T00:03:36Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/f333c90518b2f877/3e1c032a4b7c8d26?show_docid=3e1c032a4b7c8d26"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Spam</title>
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  krw wrote: &lt;br&gt; And until you can dig up even one example of a usenet spam that came &lt;br&gt; from aioe, then you&#39;re both full of horse shit. &lt;br&gt; You klowns either work for one of the fee-based usenet servers or you&#39;re &lt;br&gt; trying to justify why you pay money to them. Either way, your attempt &lt;br&gt; to smear aioe is pathetic. &lt;br&gt; Go ahead - prove it to me.
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  <author>
  <name>Sum Guy</name>
  <email>s...@guy.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-08T23:59:06Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/f333c90518b2f877/7a7db268502b8fad?show_docid=7a7db268502b8fad</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/f333c90518b2f877/7a7db268502b8fad?show_docid=7a7db268502b8fad"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Spam</title>
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  You can&#39;t even lie properly. &lt;br&gt; Individual.net started charging on April 1, 2005. &lt;br&gt; What kind of game do you want to play, comparing it&#39;s service down-time &lt;br&gt; pre-2005 with AIOE post 2006 ? &lt;br&gt; Do you have nothing better to do then to raise straw men to argue with? &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Cite. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Very recently for you is 4 years ago?
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Phil W Lee at dot dot</name>
  <email></email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-08T23:48:02Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/dff28f482d02ae5c/2a71150db636281f?show_docid=2a71150db636281f</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/dff28f482d02ae5c/2a71150db636281f?show_docid=2a71150db636281f"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Subsidy Nonsense Yet Again</title>
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  Les Cargill &amp;lt;lcargil...@comcast.net&amp;gt; considered Sun, 08 Nov 2009 &lt;br&gt; Not even close. I don&#39;t know of any government that doesn&#39;t subsidise &lt;br&gt; road infrastructure from central taxes. &lt;br&gt; Maybe you do, but I&#39;m talking about the planet earth. &lt;br&gt; Studies have been done, and you&#39;re right, the market price is much &lt;br&gt; less than the actual cost, particularly if you include the cost of
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Phil W Lee at dot dot</name>
  <email></email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-08T23:42:03Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/dff28f482d02ae5c/68130a58e97886db?show_docid=68130a58e97886db</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.au/group/misc.consumers/browse_thread/thread/dff28f482d02ae5c/68130a58e97886db?show_docid=68130a58e97886db"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Subsidy Nonsense Yet Again</title>
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  aemeijers &amp;lt;aemeij...@att.net&amp;gt; considered Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:07:12 &lt;br&gt; That&#39;s ok, once people have to pay the full cost of driving, many will &lt;br&gt; decide it isn&#39;t worth the cost. &lt;br&gt; And when they can&#39;t drive anymore, they&#39;ll all get back on the buses.
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