> No. Go up in the attic with a piece of SuperStrut from Home Depot > electrical aisle. Lay it so it crosses the rafters. Use 1/2" threaded rod > and nuts to project a stud through the ceiling down into the garage so it > sticks out an inch or so. Use a coupling nut and 1/2" threaded eye to get > your attachment point.
<satellite_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote: >Interesting...if it were to slide too far it would probably cause a keg >to come crashing down. I can't imagine not attaching it but I suppose >I should just take everyones word for it. >Goedjn wrote:
It can't slide more than the distance between two joists, because the part that sticks down will jam up against one. if it tries to slide the other way, you MIGHT get enough rotation to let the beam drop through.
If this is a permanant installation, you want it anchored to the top of the wall-plates.
That looks like it: 1-5/8 x 1-5/8 C-channel with rolled edges and 1/2" oblong perforations. Zinc chromate surface treatment, or if you can find it, the hot-dipped zinc.
I used the "A series" metal framing channels from this catalog that are sold at Home Depot. But any of the series seem like they should handle loads of this type.
This stuff is the thing to remember when you have a hardware requirement of this type. Forget the hardware aisle, and go to the electrical aisle for Superstrut. The long threaded rods there are multiples cheaper than the hardware aisle, too.
I actually had the 10' lengths Superstrut left over from scaffolding I improvised for a stoneworking project. I had used it to hang an accurate and straight ledge off a cantilever slab that was the coping of my swimming pool. The ledge supported heavy slabs of marble while they were set into mortar on a vertical face:
satellite_chris writes: > How do I attach the SuperStrut to the joists or are you suggesting just > letting it lay there?
Lay it crosswise with the C opening up. No attachment needed unless you expect a lot of sideways forces. The 1/2" threaded rod goes vertically down through the gypsum board ceiling, and lightly secures the assembly in place. Run a nut and washer up to the bottom of the ceiling from below, and in the attic you have a washer and nut on top, so the pair of nuts on the rod are acting as a weakly tightened (a little more than finger-tight) clamp that holds the strut down in the attic.
You weakly tighten so as to avoid cracking the gypsum board. Under load the clamp loosens so you don't crack the gypsum board. If you start to see a gap between the washer and ceiling, you know you have a load that's starting to bend the joists. But in my applications I've lifted 500 to 800 lbs without even loosening the hand-tight clamping.
>What a good idea, I am going to do that this weekend as I already have >a mark on a 10 months old car (not me driving honest). >Stu >http://www.cateringappliancesltd.co.uk
My mother just used something little and light, the size of a thimble iirc, heavy enough to hold the cotton string straight, and big enough to be seen and for her to tell when it touched the window, (because it stops getting closer), but not annoying if you walk into it when there is no car in the garage.
A lot of the other devices, including the fancy expensive ones, can't be seen until you're supposed to stop, or not at all. This one can see from several feet away. Unfortunately I have no garage.
<lwass...@fellspt.charm.net> wrote: > Geez, everyone sure is making it complicated to lift that > 160 lb keg! It's not like it's a 600 lb engine or something.
This is a very good point. I hung an 80 lb kick bag by bolting a piece of 4x4 between two joists and suspending from a heavy duty hook. It took almost daily abuse for 9 years so much abuse that the bag had to be replaced twice.
> My suggestion: Tap the keg while it's still in the pickup, > you're not going to be drinking and driving anyway, are you? :)
My only problem is that beer will get warm unless you're holding a party.
> You MUST use an old tennis ball and a long shoelace. Anything else defies > convention, mocks historical precedent, and is an insult to the combined > wisdom of the generations.
I use an old metal garbage can about 3 feet from the wall. It still slams the wall every few weeks. I think my wife is trying to give me a stroke!
I have one in the garage and used it several times. Does a great job of snatching heavy stuff out of the back of my P/U. Got it at Sam's for $40 less and that's one heavy package by it's self, you'd pay a bunch for shipping. Mine also came with a leveling bar that isn't in the Summit description or pictures.
> "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:12ftfu2rl4ddd3a@news.supernews.com... > > You MUST use an old tennis ball and a long shoelace. Anything else defies > > convention, mocks historical precedent, and is an insult to the combined > > wisdom of the generations.
> I use an old metal garbage can about 3 feet from the wall. It still slams > the wall every few weeks. I think my wife is trying to give me a stroke!
That's why I stand behind the front door and jump out at her when she comes home from work. ;-)
> I have one in the garage and used it several times. Does a great job of > snatching heavy stuff out of the back of my P/U. Got it at Sam's for $40 > less and that's one heavy package by it's self, you'd pay a bunch for > shipping. Mine also came with a leveling bar that isn't in the Summit > description or pictures.
Yeah, I just grabbed the example from Summit because the link was handy. I've seen them cheaper elsewhere. You can usually get them from Sears or local autoparts stores (probably a special order), so should be able to just go pick one up rather than pay for shipping.
lwass...@fellspt.charm.net wrote: > Geez, everyone sure is making it complicated to lift that 160 lb keg! > It's not like it's a 600 lb engine or something.
> --
> Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland > lwass...@charm.net
Exactly. If there ever was a case of over-engineering, this is it. 160 lb keg does not need a hoist to get it out of the bed. One plank and either drag or roll if it you are too weak to gently lower 160 pounds. If a hoist is wanted, one pulley on the ceiling and one on the keg brings it down to 80 pound pull on a rope. I am surprised no-one except you and I have mentioned the absurdity of setting up for a CHAINHOIST!!!
I have to unload four 50L kegs in two weeks in a single session which is rough on the back. It has nothing to do with being too weak, it is a matter of being cautious about the situation. I herniated a disc in my back last year after the same party which I assume was directly related to the lifting and lowering of four kegs from the pickup bed and then the lifting up and over the hieght of chest freezer and then lowering down. One false move with your back or legs and you can open yourself up to serious injury with even less than 160lbs no matter how strong you are.
Normally I have one or two kegs to unload at a time with a month or two inbetween, but once a year I have four and for that day I would rather make it as pain free as possible. I already have the chain hoist for something I rigged up in the basement to raise them up above the height of the kegerator (chest freezer conversion) and then roll the freezer underneath and lower. I figured I might as well leaverage what I have to make the operation as painless as possible. I could do something with a ramp but if the trussess are strong enough to handle the downward load, then I would like to take an approach that seems to guarantee no injury to me or the precious nectar inside the keg. Plus I like fooling with stuff and thought it is just a cool thing to have if it is safe on the home.
Harry K wrote: > Exactly. If there ever was a case of over-engineering, this is it. > 160 lb keg does not need a hoist to get it out of the bed. One plank > and either drag or roll if it you are too weak to gently lower 160 > pounds. If a hoist is wanted, one pulley on the ceiling and one on the > keg brings it down to 80 pound pull on a rope. I am surprised no-one > except you and I have mentioned the absurdity of setting up for a > CHAINHOIST!!!
satellite_chris wrote: > I have to unload four 50L kegs in two weeks in a single session which > is rough on the back. It has nothing to do with being too weak, it is > a matter of being cautious about the situation. I herniated a disc in > my back last year after the same party which I assume was directly > related to the lifting and lowering of four kegs from the pickup bed > and then the lifting up and over the hieght of chest freezer and then > lowering down. One false move with your back or legs and you can open > yourself up to serious injury with even less than 160lbs no matter how > strong you are.
> Normally I have one or two kegs to unload at a time with a month or two > inbetween, but once a year I have four and for that day I would rather > make it as pain free as possible. I already have the chain hoist for > something I rigged up in the basement to raise them up above the height > of the kegerator (chest freezer conversion) and then roll the freezer > underneath and lower. I figured I might as well leaverage what I have > to make the operation as painless as possible. I could do something > with a ramp but if the trussess are strong enough to handle the > downward load, then I would like to take an approach that seems to > guarantee no injury to me or the precious nectar inside the keg. Plus > I like fooling with stuff and thought it is just a cool thing to have > if it is safe on the home.
Okay, I can buy that but I still think the chain hoist is way overboard. I would get a lot more fun out of rigging a few pulleys than using one of those as heavy and slow as they are. I can see needing a hoist to raise the kegs -up- but a ramp would be plenty for bringing them -down-.
No, I wouldn't make a practice of regularly lifting 160 pounds (don't know if I still could anyhow). I was loading/unloading full 55 gal fuel drums from farm trucks back when I was young and stupid using nothing but a ramp. No lifting involved except for uprighting the drum when it was in place.
I think you are right, I should just build a ramp, which will still let me save my back and for sure not put any stress on my trusses. Thanks for bringing me back to reality.
Harry K wrote: > satellite_chris wrote: > > I have to unload four 50L kegs in two weeks in a single session which > > is rough on the back. It has nothing to do with being too weak, it is > > a matter of being cautious about the situation. I herniated a disc in > > my back last year after the same party which I assume was directly > > related to the lifting and lowering of four kegs from the pickup bed > > and then the lifting up and over the hieght of chest freezer and then > > lowering down. One false move with your back or legs and you can open > > yourself up to serious injury with even less than 160lbs no matter how > > strong you are.
> > Normally I have one or two kegs to unload at a time with a month or two > > inbetween, but once a year I have four and for that day I would rather > > make it as pain free as possible. I already have the chain hoist for > > something I rigged up in the basement to raise them up above the height > > of the kegerator (chest freezer conversion) and then roll the freezer > > underneath and lower. I figured I might as well leaverage what I have > > to make the operation as painless as possible. I could do something > > with a ramp but if the trussess are strong enough to handle the > > downward load, then I would like to take an approach that seems to > > guarantee no injury to me or the precious nectar inside the keg. Plus > > I like fooling with stuff and thought it is just a cool thing to have > > if it is safe on the home.
> Okay, I can buy that but I still think the chain hoist is way > overboard. I would get a lot more fun out of rigging a few pulleys > than using one of those as heavy and slow as they are. I can see > needing a hoist to raise the kegs -up- but a ramp would be plenty for > bringing them -down-.
> No, I wouldn't make a practice of regularly lifting 160 pounds (don't > know if I still could anyhow). I was loading/unloading full 55 gal > fuel drums from farm trucks back when I was young and stupid using > nothing but a ramp. No lifting involved except for uprighting the drum > when it was in place.
On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:10:46 -0700, Harry K wrote:
> satellite_chris wrote: >> I have to unload four 50L kegs in two weeks in a single session which is >> rough on the back. It has nothing to do with being too weak, it is a >> matter of being cautious about the situation. I herniated a disc in my >> back last year after the same party which I assume was directly related >> to the lifting and lowering of four kegs from the pickup bed and then >> the lifting up and over the hieght of chest freezer and then lowering >> down. One false move with your back or legs and you can open yourself >> up to serious injury with even less than 160lbs no matter how strong you >> are.
>> Normally I have one or two kegs to unload at a time with a month or two >> inbetween, but once a year I have four and for that day I would rather >> make it as pain free as possible. I already have the chain hoist for >> something I rigged up in the basement to raise them up above the height >> of the kegerator (chest freezer conversion) and then roll the freezer >> underneath and lower. I figured I might as well leaverage what I have >> to make the operation as painless as possible. I could do something >> with a ramp but if the trussess are strong enough to handle the downward >> load, then I would like to take an approach that seems to guarantee no >> injury to me or the precious nectar inside the keg. Plus I like fooling >> with stuff and thought it is just a cool thing to have if it is safe on >> the home. > No, I wouldn't make a practice of regularly lifting 160 pounds (don't know > if I still could anyhow). I was loading/unloading full 55 gal fuel drums > from farm trucks back when I was young and stupid using nothing but a > ramp. No lifting involved except for uprighting the drum when it was in > place.
How old are you guys? 80? 90? And here I thought I was getting out of shape because I was getting pooped after lifting 8 or 10 200-300 lb. chunks of oak onto my truck after spending the morning cutting it, unloading it and going back to do it again after lunch...and I'm a 6'2" 140 lb. bean-pole. I must be in better shape than I thought for a nearly 50 fart with an involuntary medical retirement from the army. {G}
-- Falcon's Rest Zymurgical Alchemy First Inter-Galactic Guild House Of The Brotherhood Of St. Cathode Of Anode
"zero" <notrealze...@tnotrealzero2.com> writes: > "satellite_chris" <satellite_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1157479711.672134.11240@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > To save my back when lifting half barrels on and off my pickup truck I > > am trying to rig a hoist.
> How about this. You'll never be caught in a back braking situation again.
Zaphod Beeblebrock wrote: > On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:10:46 -0700, Harry K wrote:
> > satellite_chris wrote: > >> I have to unload four 50L kegs in two weeks in a single session which is > >> rough on the back. It has nothing to do with being too weak, it is a > >> matter of being cautious about the situation. I herniated a disc in my > >> back last year after the same party which I assume was directly related > >> to the lifting and lowering of four kegs from the pickup bed and then > >> the lifting up and over the hieght of chest freezer and then lowering > >> down. One false move with your back or legs and you can open yourself > >> up to serious injury with even less than 160lbs no matter how strong you > >> are.
> >> Normally I have one or two kegs to unload at a time with a month or two > >> inbetween, but once a year I have four and for that day I would rather > >> make it as pain free as possible. I already have the chain hoist for > >> something I rigged up in the basement to raise them up above the height > >> of the kegerator (chest freezer conversion) and then roll the freezer > >> underneath and lower. I figured I might as well leaverage what I have > >> to make the operation as painless as possible. I could do something > >> with a ramp but if the trussess are strong enough to handle the downward > >> load, then I would like to take an approach that seems to guarantee no > >> injury to me or the precious nectar inside the keg. Plus I like fooling > >> with stuff and thought it is just a cool thing to have if it is safe on > >> the home.
> > No, I wouldn't make a practice of regularly lifting 160 pounds (don't know > > if I still could anyhow). I was loading/unloading full 55 gal fuel drums > > from farm trucks back when I was young and stupid using nothing but a > > ramp. No lifting involved except for uprighting the drum when it was in > > place.
> How old are you guys? 80? 90? And here I thought I was getting out of > shape because I was getting pooped after lifting 8 or 10 200-300 lb. > chunks of oak onto my truck after spending the morning cutting it, > unloading it and going back to do it again after lunch...and I'm a 6'2" > 140 lb. bean-pole. I must be in better shape than I thought for a nearly > 50 fart with an involuntary medical retirement from the army. {G}
> -- > Falcon's Rest > Zymurgical Alchemy > First Inter-Galactic Guild House Of > The Brotherhood Of St. Cathode Of Anode
Me, I';m in the 'old fart' category (71). Still cutting my own wood and busting it down only small enough to load on the PU. Never weighed any of the blocks but they are some odd heavy. May have to start making them smaller. My last trip was last Saturday and my back is telling me about it still. It never done that before.
Todd H. wrote: > "zero" <notrealze...@tnotrealzero2.com> writes:
> > "satellite_chris" <satellite_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1157479711.672134.11240@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > To save my back when lifting half barrels on and off my pickup truck I > > > am trying to rig a hoist.
> > How about this. You'll never be caught in a back braking situation again.
zero wrote: > "satellite_chris" <satellite_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1157479711.672134.11240@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > To save my back when lifting half barrels on and off my pickup truck I > > am trying to rig a hoist.
> How about this. You'll never be caught in a back braking situation again.
> > Full drum of water, eg 55gUS, is still well under your 1000lb > > guestimate. :)
> Under 460 lbs is much closer.
Well, yeah, but I'm still too much a chicken to try that much with the hoist set up as it is currently, even though I _think_ it could handle it. -- Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.
> Okay, I can buy that but I still think the chain hoist is way > overboard.
Well yeah, but if you recall, I think I was the first to mention a chain hoist, simply because because I _already_ had one (a christmas present from 10 years earlier!) when I set up my lift system, so I built what I built with what I had, and described _that_.
A pulley system could just as easily be substituted for the _specific_ purpose of lowering barrels, but from the safety/ease/lifting standpoint, it isn't as nice as a hoist.
[And mine was for _both_ lifting and lowering things.]
> I would get a lot more fun out of rigging a few pulleys > than using one of those as heavy and slow as they are. I can see > needing a hoist to raise the kegs -up- but a ramp would be plenty for > bringing them -down-.
There's something to be said for engineering your solutions to be a bit more generalized than the original problem. They often get used for more things than you originally intended.
I do that a lot. Overbuild/overcomplicate things. But over the years, it's usually turned out to have been a very good idea.
Yeah, I could have lifted the lawn tractor motor with a 2:1 pulley setup. But (a) I already had the chain hoist and (b) now I can do a lot of other things that a simple pulley arrangement can't do or can't do very well.
I could have used an engine hoist instead - a little more flexible. But I don't have one, I had a chain hoist. -- Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.
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