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Jo-Anne  
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 More options Nov 4, 5:26 pm
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsupdate
From: "Jo-Anne" <Jo-AnneATnowhere.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:26:07 -0600
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 5:26 pm
Subject: Reinstall Microsoft Update?

Tonight I went to the Microsoft Update site to install the Patch Tuesday
updates on my notebook computer running WinXP SP3. I saw the updates; but
before I installed them, I got a notification from Sun that a Java update
was available. I decided to install that update first. The installation
seemed to be fine. I then went back to Microsoft Update to install the Patch
Tuesday updates. However, this time I got the following message: Internet
Explorer Security Warning: Do you want to install this software? Name:
Microsoft Update. Publisher: Microsoft Corporation.

What happened? Did installing the Java update somehow "uninstall" Microsoft
Update? Should I go ahead and click on Install for Microsoft Update?

Thank you!

Jo-Anne


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Jo-Anne  
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 More options Nov 4, 5:32 pm
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From: "Jo-Anne" <Jo-AnneATnowhere.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:32:37 -0600
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 5:32 pm
Subject: Re: Reinstall Microsoft Update?
Addendum: I clicked the X to get rid of the Security Warning box, and what
happened next was that I got the following message at the Microsoft Update
site: "Install the ActiveX control required to view the website. The website
will not display correctly on your computer without this control"--followed
by instructions on how to install the ActiveX control.

Jo-Anne

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Susan Bradley  
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 More options Nov 4, 6:48 pm
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From: Susan Bradley <sbrad...@pacbell.net>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:48:39 -0800
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: Reinstall Microsoft Update?

You just got the update for Windows update is all.
There's been a new version of WU offered up.

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PA Bear [MS MVP]  
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 More options Nov 4, 7:10 pm
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From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:10:04 -0500
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 7:10 pm
Subject: Re: Reinstall Microsoft Update?
When was the last time you visited Microsoft Update?

Is C:\Windows\System32\Wuauclt.exe <=this file now v7.4.7600.226?

Sounds normal to me: Either you needed to install an updated version of the
ActiveX Control to use Microsoft Update website and/or you installed the
recently released, updated version of Windows Update Agent.

Dare we ask why you've waited 3 weeks before installing the Oct-09 critical
security updates?


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MowGreen  
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 More options Nov 5, 2:07 am
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From: MowGreen <mowgr...@nowandzen.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:07:37 -0800
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 2:07 am
Subject: Re: Reinstall Microsoft Update?
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> When was the last time you visited Microsoft Update?

> Is C:\Windows\System32\Wuauclt.exe <=this file now v7.4.7600.226?

> Sounds normal to me: Either you needed to install an updated version of the
> ActiveX Control to use Microsoft Update website and/or you installed the
> recently released, updated version of Windows Update Agent.

> Dare we ask why you've waited 3 weeks before installing the Oct-09
> critical security updates?

Oh, how about the .NET Fiasco, the IE issue, the kernel update issues,
the Office update issues ... want mow ? <w>
The Home User has to wait until the inevitable issues emerge in the
NGs/forums <spit> prior to installing updates these days, MonBear.

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Jo-Anne  
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 More options Nov 5, 3:35 am
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From: "Jo-Anne" <Jo-AnneATnowhere.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:35:19 -0600
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 3:35 am
Subject: Re: Reinstall Microsoft Update?
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Thank you, Susan! The odd thing was that, a few minutes before, I was
offered the standard update at Microsoft Update. I saw what was available
and just didn't do the installation. Then, after I installed the Java
update, I was told I needed to update Microsoft Update.

Jo-Anne


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Jo-Anne  
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 More options Nov 5, 3:52 am
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From: "Jo-Anne" <Jo-AnneATnowhere.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:52:55 -0600
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 3:52 am
Subject: Re: Reinstall Microsoft Update?
Um...Robear...what I was trying to install were the November 3 updates. I
had installed the October updates when they became available. In fact, the
only critical update I was offered yesterday--before I updated Java--was to
Internet Explorer 7, which I thought was odd, since not even the Malicious
Software Removal Tool appeared. When I looked at the noncritical updates,
there were a bunch, including root certificates.

Re Wuauclt.exe, the version is indeed 7.4.7600.226 (on both of my WinXP
computers), last modified in August. Is that the "recently released" updated
version of Windows Update Agent?

This is the first time I've tried to use Microsoft Update since last month's
Patch Tuesday. If all is OK, I'll go ahead with what is asked. But I still
don't understand why when I looked at Microsoft Update a few minutes before,
the current update(s) appeared just fine--and after I installed the updated
Java, I was supposed to re-install Microsoft Update itself.

Jo-Anne

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Jo-Anne  
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 More options Nov 5, 3:58 am
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From: "Jo-Anne" <Jo-AnneATnowhere.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:58:49 -0600
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 3:58 am
Subject: Re: Reinstall Microsoft Update?
Hi, Mow,

What I do these days is check the newsgroup the first day of an offered
update. If I don't see any issues that look too serious, I go ahead with the
update on my laptop--which I consider expendable. If all goes well there
after a reboot, I update the desktop computer, which is where I do most of
my work. I probably should wait a bit longer, though, given the serious
issues that have come up before.

Jo-Anne

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PA Bear [MS MVP]  
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 More options Nov 5, 11:10 am
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From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:10:59 -0500
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 11:10 am
Subject: Re: Reinstall Microsoft Update?

<shuddap, mow>  OP usually depends on Secunia PSI, not Automatic Updates, to
tell her which updates she needs.

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PA Bear [MS MVP]  
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 More options Nov 5, 11:18 am
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From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:18:54 -0500
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 11:18 am
Subject: Re: Reinstall Microsoft Update?

What "November 3" updates?  Are you referring to
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/976749 (which I'm not sure you want or need
to install)?

Is Automatic Updates enabled? [yes/no]

...or are you still depending on Secunia to tell you what updates you need?
[yes/no]

Are you currently running IE6, IE7, or IE8?

> Re Wuauclt.exe, the version is indeed 7.4.7600.226 (on both of my WinXP
> computers), last modified in August. Is that the "recently released"
> updated
> version of Windows Update Agent?

Yes, and that (and a related ActiveX Control) could have been what you were
prompted to install the other day.  See
http://blogs.technet.com/mu/archive/2009/08/17/reminder-on-upcoming-u....

While the MSRT has, in fact, been updated since 13 October, it will only be
offered via WU/MU/AU once-a-month.


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Jo-Anne  
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 More options Nov 5, 12:00 pm
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From: "Jo-Anne" <Jo-AnneATnowhere.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:00:09 -0600
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 12:00 pm
Subject: Re: Reinstall Microsoft Update?
Robear, I do NOT depend on Secunia PSI for anything from Microsoft. I have
Automatic Updates on and configured to tell me when updates are
available--at which point I get them from the Microsoft Update website (so I
can observe the downloading and installation of the files, which seems to be
impossible through Automatic Updates).

The yellow shield appeared in my system tray yesterday on both computers,
and on both I was offered as a critical update the KB number you gave below
(976749). I am currently running IE7.

I was apparently wrong about this update being a Patch Tuesday update even
though it arrived on a Tuesday, and it was around a month after the last
one. I just checked the Microsoft Security Response Center website, and now
I see that this is an update for an issue reported by a "limited number of
customers," rather than a regular Patch Tuesday update.

As far as I can tell, I should not be required to install the update to the
Windows Update Agent, since it has already been installed. In fact, from
what I read at the site you indicated, it was an "invisible update"--that
is, I did nothing to install it. I haven't yet installed the ActiveX Control
but will shortly.

I still say that it's odd that the Microsoft Update site gave me the option
to install the IE7 update UNTIL I installed a Java update. At that point,
the Microsoft Update site apparently wanted me to update either MU or the
ActiveX Control (it warned me about installing MU until I clicked the X to
close that box, and then it told me how to update the ActiveX Control).

Jo-Anne

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PA Bear [MS MVP]  
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 More options Nov 5, 12:39 pm
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From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:39:48 -0500
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 12:39 pm
Subject: Re: Reinstall Microsoft Update?
NB: KB976749 is NOT a critical security update (despite what AU may have
been telling you but a hotfix to resolve certain specific issues that can
occur after you apply security update 974455 (MS09-054)!  If you're not
plague by the issues described in http://support.microsoft.com/kb/976749,
you don't need to install it (IMHO).

My reference to your use of Secunia PSI was not meant to be a perjorative
comment.


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Jo-Anne  
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 More options Nov 5, 1:04 pm
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From: "Jo-Anne" <Jo-AnneATnowhere.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:04:48 -0600
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 1:04 pm
Subject: Re: Reinstall Microsoft Update?
Thank you, Robear! I don't seem to have the issues described following the
installation of 974455, so maybe I'll hide the latest update for now. I
didn't realize it wasn't a "real" critical update.

I'll report back if I have any problems updating the ActiveX Control...

Jo-Anne

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