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JimL  
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 More options Oct 25, 4:04 am
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsupdate
From: "JimL" <inva...@invalid.inv>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:04:01 -0400
Local: Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:04 am
Subject: I'm new here. Really need update help
XP Pro, SP3, updated up to a few weeks ago, T42 Thinkpad.
Windows version 5.1, (Build 2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.090206-1234 : Service Pack 3)

Months ago I got a Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 installation including
update KB963707 which latter is now at issue.

Subsequent to that update I had a hard drive problem and had to copy my
system to a new hard drive.  (Something may have been scrambled in that
process.)

Since then every time I do updates (never automatically) KB963707 fails to
update.  Repeated attempts on any occasion fail as well.

I was advised to remove KB963707 and reinstall it, but removal fails as
well, giving me this error:

----------------
This patch package could not be opened. Verify that the patch package
exists and that you can access it, or contact the application vendor to
verify that this is a valid Windows Installer patch package.
----------------

Repeated attempts always give the same error.

If anything I've written here sounds intelligent, rest assured I am NOT good
at digging out and/or remembering technical details.  I have no clue where
said patch package is or should be, let alone how to verify it.  I do
suspect it may not be in the right place.

I tried removing the entire 3.5 SP1 package and got this error:

-----------------
The Windows Installer package:

c:\windows\microsoft.net\framework\v3.5\microsoft .net framework 3.5
sp1\vs_setup.msi
could not be opened.

Choose Retry to try again. Choose Cancel for exit setup.
-----------------

Again, repeated attempts always give the same result.

I've tried various NG's for help and the best I can get is an infuriating
crop of, "I never have that problem here."

Days ago I went for another update, selecting the Express protocol (High
priority updates).  Out of the pack, 3 of the updates failed, including the
one described above.  It took out my broadband connection (Comcast) and I
uninstalled everything from that session, reinstating my broadband
connection.

Oddly: The Update page listed 12 updates.  3 failed.  10 showed up in my
Add/Remove population.  Not my kind of math.

I've tried to be clear and as complete as I can muster at the moment.

Please help me out here.  Is there even a starting point?

--
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Shenan Stanley  
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 More options Oct 25, 4:23 am
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsupdate
From: "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:23:05 -0500
Local: Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:23 am
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help

I would not say that you are 'new' - I have seen (still see) your postings
in these and other similar newsgroups.  ;-)

You have added to your description of your problem.  That's good.

Here's my suggestion - follow through to the end.  Do everything - whether
or not you have/think you have done it before.  Step-by-step - as shown.  It
*will* take time and patience and effort on your part- but you should be
better off when you are done.

1. Delete the registry key for the extension.
    - Log on with an account that has Administrator permissions.
    - Click Start  --> click Run --> type:
        cmd
       --> and then press ENTER.
    - At the command prompt, type:

reg DELETE "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Mozilla\Firefox\Extensions" /v
"{20a82645-c095-46ed-80e3-08825760534b}" /f

2. Reboot the computer.

3. In the Firefox user agent, reset the changes that you made in step 1. To
do this, follow these steps:
    - Start Firefox, type about:config in the Firefox address bar.
    - Scroll down or use Filter to find the following preference item:

       general.useragent.extra.microsoftdotnet

       - Right-click this item, and then click Reset.
     - Restart Firefox

4. Reboot the computer.

5. Remove the .NET Framework extension files. To do this, follow these
steps:
    - Log on with an account that has Administrator permissions.
    - Click Start  -->  click Run --> type:
       explorer
       --> and then press ENTER.
    - Open the following folder:

%SYSTEMDRIVE%\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v3.5\Windows Presentation
Foundation\DotNetAssistantExtension\

    - Delete the DotNetAssistantExtension folder and all its contents

6. Reboot.

Follow that up with the following...

Download/install this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301

After installing, do the following:

Start button --> RUN --> type in:
  "%ProgramFiles%\Windows Installer Clean Up\msizap.exe" g!
--> Click OK.
(The quotation marks and percentage signs and spacing should be exact.)

Reboot.

Download, install, run, update and perform a full scan (separately) with the
following two applications (freeware versions are the ones to use for this):

SuperAntiSpyware
http://www.superantispyware.com/

MalwareBytes
http://www.malwarebytes.com/

After performing a full scan with one and then the other and removing
whatever they both find completely, you may uninstall these products,
if you wish.

Download and run the MSRT manually:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx

Reboot.

Download/Install the latest Windows Installer (for your OS):
( Windows XP 32-bit : WindowsXP-KB942288-v3-x86.exe )
http://www.microsoft.com/downloadS/details.aspx?familyid=5A58B56F-60B...

Reboot.

and...

Download the latest version of the Windows Update agent from here (x86):
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=91237
... and save it to the root of your C:\ drive.  After saving it to the root
of the C:\ drive, do the following:

Close all Internet Explorer windows and other applications.

Start button --> RUN and type in:
   %SystemDrive%\windowsupdateagent30-x86.exe /WUFORCE
--> Click OK.

(If asked, select "Run.) --> Click on NEXT --> Select "I agree" and click on
NEXT --> When it finishes installing, click on "Finish"...

Reboot.

Then follow the instructions here:

How do I reset Windows Update components?
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971058

Reboot.

CHKDSK
 How to scan your disks for errors
 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315265
 * will take time and a reboot

Defragment
 How to Defragment your hard drives
 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314848
 * will take time

Reboot.

Log on as an user with administrative rights and open Internet Explorer
and visit http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ and select to do a
CUSTOM scan...

Every time you are about to click on something while at these web pages -
first press and hold down the CTRL key while you click on it.  You can
release the CTRL key after clicking each time.

Once the scan is done, select just _ONE_ of the high priority updates
(deselect any others) and install it.

Reboot again.

If it did work - try the web page again - selecting no more than 3-5 at a
time.  Rebooting as needed.

The Optional Software updates are generally safe - although I recommend
against the "Windows Search" one and any of the "Office Live" ones or
"Windows Live" ones for now.  I would completely avoid the
Optional Hardware updates.  Also - I do not see any urgent need to install
Internet Explorer 8 at this time.

Seriously - do all that.  This is like antibiotics - don't skip a single
step, don't quit because you think things will be okay now - go through
until the end, until you have done everything given in the order given.  If
you have a problem with a step come ask and let someone here get you
through that step.  If you don't understand how to do a step, come back and
ask here about that step and let someone walk you through it.

Then - when done - let everyone here know if it worked for you - or if you
have more issues.

--
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PA Bear [MS MVP]  
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 More options Oct 25, 4:36 am
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From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:36:26 -0400
Local: Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:36 am
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
1. Before doing anything else, write down the .NET Framework versions which
are already installed:

How to determine which versions of the .NET Framework are installed and
whether service packs have been applied
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/318785

2. Now see Resolution Method 2 in...

When you try to install an update for the .NET Framework 1.0, 1.1, 2.0, 3.0,
or 3.5, you may receive Windows Update error code "0x643" or Windows
Installer error code "1603" (ignore the title, if need be)
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923100

After running the appropriate/needed tool, (re)install all .NET Framework
versions manually using the download links on the page then run Windows
Update manually to install security updates for same.

NB: If you've removed .NET Framework 3.5 SP1, reinstalling it will also
install .Net Framework 2.0 SP2 and 3.0 SP2.

IMPORTANT! => If you've removed .NET Framework 3.5 SP1, reinstall your .NET
Framework versions in the following order:

    1. .Net Framework 3.5 SP1, then...
    2. .Net Framework 1.1, then...
    3. .Net Framework 1.1 SP1

NB: KB923100 references this page:
http://blogs.msdn.com/astebner/archive/2006/05/30/611355.aspx.  Please read
ALL of it as well as the related page
http://blogs.msdn.com/astebner/pages/8904493.aspx before using the .NET
Framework Cleanup Tool.

3. Check-in at Windows Update and install any critical security updates
offered.
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 More options Oct 26, 2:35 am
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From: "JimL" <inva...@invalid.inv>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:35:28 -0400
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 2:35 am
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
"Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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I meant that I'm new to this particular NG. ;-)

> You have added to your description of your problem.  That's good.

> Here's my suggestion - follow through to the end.  Do everything

I have no difficulty here.  I have always held you, personally, and your
replies in highest regard.  I may be ignorant, but I'm not stupid. ;-)

As for adding to my description and all, working at something for months on
end gives you _the ability_ to describe things.  On some NG's, regulars get
all incensed that non-experts don't provide details they are incapable of
giving.  If I knew enough to satisfy some of them I'd not need to ask for
help.

>    - At the command prompt, type:

> reg DELETE "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Mozilla\Firefox\Extensions" /v
> "{20a82645-c095-46ed-80e3-08825760534b}" /f

Does the above consist of two separate "entries" or is it a folded rendition
of what belongs all on one line?

Thanks

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 More options Oct 26, 2:43 am
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From: "JimL" <inva...@invalid.inv>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:43:55 -0400
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 2:43 am
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
Thanks very much for your reply.  I'll be following Shehan's instructions
first.

No disrespect at all intended, but your instructions include a lot of
reading and understanding.  If it were 1986 I could probably follow that OK,
but since 1987 I have been unable to read and retain worth two cents (or do
math).  If I have to I'll give it a shot later.

Thanks

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ufEdhENVKHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

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Shenan Stanley  
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 More options Oct 26, 3:54 am
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From: "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:54:26 -0500
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 3:54 am
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help

Folded rendition.  All one line, single space after the /v before
continuing.

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 More options Oct 26, 2:45 pm
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From: "JimL" <inva...@invalid.inv>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:45:48 -0400
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
"Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:eJ8sC7MVKHA.2932@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

OK, step #1:

C:\>reg DELETE "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Mozilla\Firefox\Extensions" /v
"{20a82645-c095-46e
d-80e3-08825760534b}" /f

Error:  The system was unable to find the specified registry key or value

C:\>

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 More options Oct 26, 2:51 pm
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From: "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:51:56 -0500
Local: Mon, Oct 26 2009 2:51 pm
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
<snipped>

JimL wrote:
> OK, step #1:

> C:\>reg DELETE "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Mozilla\Firefox\Extensions" /v
> "{20a82645-c095-46e
> d-80e3-08825760534b}" /f

> Error:  The system was unable to find the specified registry key or
> value
> C:\>

Just continue...  1-6 you should just continue despite errors.

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 More options Oct 27, 12:43 am
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From: "JimL" <inva...@invalid.inv>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:43:24 -0400
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 12:43 am
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
"Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:O2Go$%23eVKHA.844@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

Thanks.  I'm looking ahead to where you say:

Once the scan is done, select just _ONE_ of the high priority updates
(deselect any others) and install it.

How do you deselect update components? I have looked for a long time and can
find no way?

Thanks

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 More options Oct 27, 1:07 am
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From: "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:07:02 -0500
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 1:07 am
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
<snip>

JimL wrote:
> Thanks.  I'm looking ahead to where you say:

> Once the scan is done, select just _ONE_ of the high priority
> updates (deselect any others) and install it.

> How do you deselect update components? I have looked for a long
> time and can find no way?

If you follow the directions and have visited
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ in Internet Explorer as an administrator
and chosen (at the beginning) to do a Custom scan (not express) then you can
*uncheck* a given update which will expand it to show details and even give
you an option to *hide* the update from your sight.

The key there, when at the given web page, is to do a *CUSTOM* scan.  Not
*EXPRESS*.

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 More options Oct 27, 1:35 am
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From: "JimL" <inva...@invalid.inv>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:35:22 -0400
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 1:35 am
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
"Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> The key there, when at the given web page, is to do a *CUSTOM* scan.  Not
> *EXPRESS*.

Sorry.  I would have found that if I were actually stepping through it
instead of scanning ahead.

Thanks

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 More options Oct 27, 2:01 am
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From: "JimL" <inva...@invalid.inv>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:01:46 -0400
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 2:01 am
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
"Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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<snip>

> Then follow the instructions here:

> How do I reset Windows Update components?
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971058

Here I elected the "Let me fix it myself option."  This went well through
step 3.

At step 4 I followed the instruction to jump to step 5 if this is my first
attempt at resolving windows update issues.

Step 5 OK.  (cd /d %windir%\system32)

At step 6 I had success this far:

6. Reregister the BITS files and the Windows Update files. To do this, type
the following commands at a command prompt. Press ENTER after you type each
command.

* regsvr32.exe atl.dll

* regsvr32.exe urlmon.dll

When I did:

regsvr32.exe mshtml.dll

I got this:

--------------------

mshtml.dll was loaded, but the DllRegisterServer entry point was not found.
This file cannot be registered.

--------------------

I am now on hold.  Should I reregister the rest of the list?

* regsvr32.exe atl.dll

* regsvr32.exe urlmon.dll

* regsvr32.exe mshtml.dll

* regsvr32.exe shdocvw.dll

* regsvr32.exe browseui.dll

* regsvr32.exe jscript.dll

* regsvr32.exe vbscript.dll

* regsvr32.exe scrrun.dll

* regsvr32.exe msxml.dll

* regsvr32.exe msxml3.dll

* regsvr32.exe msxml6.dll

* regsvr32.exe actxprxy.dll

* regsvr32.exe softpub.dll

* regsvr32.exe wintrust.dll

* regsvr32.exe dssenh.dll

* regsvr32.exe rsaenh.dll

* regsvr32.exe gpkcsp.dll

* regsvr32.exe sccbase.dll

* regsvr32.exe slbcsp.dll

* regsvr32.exe cryptdlg.dll

* regsvr32.exe oleaut32.dll

* regsvr32.exe ole32.dll

* regsvr32.exe shell32.dll

* regsvr32.exe initpki.dll

* regsvr32.exe wuapi.dll

* regsvr32.exe wuaueng.dll

* regsvr32.exe wuaueng1.dll

* regsvr32.exe wucltui.dll

* regsvr32.exe wups.dll

* regsvr32.exe wups2.dll

* regsvr32.exe wuweb.dll

* regsvr32.exe qmgr.dll

* regsvr32.exe qmgrprxy.dll

* regsvr32.exe wucltux.dll

* regsvr32.exe muweb.dll

* regsvr32.exe wuwebv.dll

Thanks

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Shenan Stanley  
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 More options Oct 27, 10:30 am
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From: "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:30:56 -0500
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 10:30 am
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help

For now - continue and note any you have issues with.

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 More options Oct 27, 3:32 pm
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:32:28 -0400
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 3:32 pm
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
"Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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<snip>

Thanks.

Besides mshtml.dll two others failed, but these failed because they are NOT
on my computer:

wucltux.dll and wuwebv.dll

I ran searches on all drives and backups.

I had a look "out there."  There are some sources, but I didn't download
anything, not knowing which versins to look for.  Also the places that have
them available seem determined to either sell them of force you through
pages of advertisements to get them.

The circumstances around wuwebv.dll are interesting.  It looks as if some
anti-malware programs may remove it thinking it is demon posessed or
something. ;-)  (I'll bet the Freemasons did it!)

I also noted while googling for these two files that this conversation is
being copied all over the world and back.

I'll not prodeed to step 7 (Reset Winsock) until the above is dealt with.

Thanks

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 More options Oct 29, 10:59 pm
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From: "JimL" <inva...@invalid.inv>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:59:19 -0400
Local: Thurs, Oct 29 2009 10:59 pm
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
"Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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<snip>

Thanks.

Besides mshtml.dll two others failed, but these failed because they are NOT
on my computer:

wucltux.dll and wuwebv.dll

I ran searches on all drives and backups.

I had a look "out there."  There are some sources, but I didn't download
anything, not knowing which versins to look for.  Also the places that have
them available seem determined to either sell them of force you through
pages of advertisements to get them.

The circumstances around wuwebv.dll are interesting.  It looks as if some
anti-malware programs may remove it thinking it is demon posessed or
something. ;-)  (I'll bet the Freemasons did it!)

I also noted while googling for these two files that this conversation is
being copied all over the world and back.

I'll not prodeed to step 7 (Reset Winsock) until the above is dealt with.

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From: "JimL" <inva...@invalid.inv>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:01:12 -0400
Local: Fri, Oct 30 2009 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
"Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>> * regsvr32.exe wuweb.dll

>> * regsvr32.exe qmgr.dll

>> * regsvr32.exe qmgrprxy.dll

>> * regsvr32.exe wucltux.dll

>> * regsvr32.exe muweb.dll

>> * regsvr32.exe wuwebv.dll

> For now - continue and note any you have issues with.

Well, I went ahead and guessed my way through the remainder of Reset Windows
Update Components.  The two additional missing DLL's appear to be Vista
components.

I completed the list of operations thereafter, CHKDSK, etc., reboots, etc.
All of it.  Word for word.

In the new attempt at updating ONE item I selected the one that was failing
previously.  It failed again.

I again attempted to remove KB963707, the previously mentioned trouble spot.
Uninstallation failed.

Error: This patch package could not be opened, etc. - exactly as before.

I again attempted to remove the parent of KB963707, Microsoft .NET Framework
3.5 SP1.  Uninstallation failed.

Again this said vs_setup.msi could not be opened.

Precisely where I started.

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From: "JimL" <inva...@invalid.inv>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:50:41 -0400
Local: Fri, Oct 30 2009 2:50 pm
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> 1. Before doing anything else, write down the .NET Framework versions
> which are already installed:

> How to determine which versions of the .NET Framework are installed and
> whether service packs have been applied
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/318785

OK..., looking for versions in the mscorlib.dll properties as instructed:

1.0.3705 has no mscorlib.dll
Another file in that folder indicates 2.0.50727.3053?

1.1.4322 is 1.1.4322.2407
2.0.50727 is 2.0.50727.3082

3.0 has no mscorlib.dll
Other files indicate 3.0.4506.2152 a 2154

3.5 has no mscorlib.dll
Other files indicate 3.5.30729.1

> 2. Now see Resolution Method 2 in...

> When you try to install an update for the .NET Framework 1.0, 1.1, 2.0,
> 3.0, or 3.5, you may receive Windows Update error code "0x643" or Windows
> Installer error code "1603" (ignore the title, if need be)
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923100

I have no error number and can't get one.  Why?  When I try to access
windowsupdate.micsosoft.com I am redirected to the Microsoft Update page
which informs me that I must update windows in order to do any updating.

> After running the appropriate/needed tool, (re)install all .NET Framework
> versions manually using the download links on the page then run Windows
> Update manually to install security updates for same.

> NB: If you've removed .NET Framework 3.5 SP1, reinstalling it will also
> install .Net Framework 2.0 SP2 and 3.0 SP2.

Don't forget.  Being unable to _uninstall_ 3.5 is part of the problem I
described.

> IMPORTANT! => If you've removed .NET Framework 3.5 SP1, reinstall your
> .NET Framework versions in the following order:

>    1. .Net Framework 3.5 SP1, then...

Don't forget, being unable to _install_ 3.5 is a major part of the problem I
described.

I seem to be at an impasse.

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From: "JimL" <inva...@invalid.inv>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:05:26 -0400
Local: Fri, Oct 30 2009 3:05 pm
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> 1. Before doing anything else, write down the .NET Framework versions
> which are already installed:

> How to determine which versions of the .NET Framework are installed and
> whether service packs have been applied
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/318785

OK..., looking for versions in the mscorlib.dll properties as instructed:

1.0.3705 has no mscorlib.dll
Another file in that folder indicates 2.0.50727.3053?

1.1.4322 is 1.1.4322.2407
2.0.50727 is 2.0.50727.3082

3.0 has no mscorlib.dll
Other files indicate 3.0.4506.2152 a 2154

3.5 has no mscorlib.dll
Other files indicate 3.5.30729.1

> 2. Now see Resolution Method 2 in...

> When you try to install an update for the .NET Framework 1.0, 1.1, 2.0,
> 3.0, or 3.5, you may receive Windows Update error code "0x643" or Windows
> Installer error code "1603" (ignore the title, if need be)
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923100

I have no error number and can't get one.  Why?  When I try to access
windowsupdate.micsosoft.com I am redirected to the Microsoft Update page
which informs me that I must update windows in order to do any updating.

---
PS Microsoft Update changed its mind and allpowed me to attempt an update.

The failed installation of KB963707 gives NO error number.  It only says:

--------------------------------------------------------------
The following updates were not installed:
-------------------------
Update to .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 for the .NET Framework Assistant
1.0 x86 (KB963707)
-------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------

> After running the appropriate/needed tool, (re)install all .NET Framework
> versions manually using the download links on the page then run Windows
> Update manually to install security updates for same.

> NB: If you've removed .NET Framework 3.5 SP1, reinstalling it will also
> install .Net Framework 2.0 SP2 and 3.0 SP2.

Don't forget.  Being unable to _uninstall_ 3.5 is part of the problem I
described.

> IMPORTANT! => If you've removed .NET Framework 3.5 SP1, reinstall your
> .NET Framework versions in the following order:

>    1. .Net Framework 3.5 SP1, then...

Don't forget, being unable to _install_ 3.5 is a major part of the problem I
described.

I seem to be at an impasse.

JimL

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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:12:12 -0600
Local: Mon, Nov 2 2009 12:12 pm
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
<snipped>
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/browse_...

Yes - possibly - but the rest of your system is better off for it.

Now do the following:

1. Download the .NET Cleanup Utility from the following link:
http://blogs.msdn.com/astebner/attachment/8904493.ashx

2. Using the .NET Cleanup Utility, uninstall .NET Framework 1.0, 1.1, 2.0,
3.0 and 3.5.  (You'll have to unzip it, run it, etc.)

3. Restart the computer

4. Download (save) the following components:
• .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 (this will also install .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 and
3.0 SP2)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=AB99342F-5D1...
• .NET Framework 1.1
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&Family...
• .NET Framework 1.1 SP1
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=A8F5654F-088...

5. Install the downloaded updates in this order (the order is very
important):
• .NET Framework 3.5 SP1
• .NET Framework 1.1
• .NET Framework 1.1 SP1

6. Restart the computer

7. Go to Windows Update then choose CUSTOM update
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/

8. Under Optional Software Update, check if other versions of .Net Framework
is being offered
• IF No: You are DONE!
• IF Yes: See Below...

If Windows Update is offering .NET Framework and other update(s), install
the other update(s) before dealing with .NET Framework updates.  Reboot
after installing the other updates and before re-checking for the .NET
updates.  You do not *need* Internet Explorer 8, Windows Live or Office Live
updates.  Everything else - excluding any and all hardware updates - fair
game.

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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:49:06 -0500
Local: Fri, Nov 6 2009 10:49 am
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
"Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> <snipped>
> 4. Download (save) the following components:
> • .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 (this will also install .NET Framework 2.0 SP2
> and 3.0 SP2)
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=AB99342F-5D1...
> • .NET Framework 1.1
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&Family...
> • .NET Framework 1.1 SP1
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=A8F5654F-088...

> 5. Install the downloaded updates in this order (the order is very
> important):
> • .NET Framework 3.5 SP1
> • .NET Framework 1.1
> • .NET Framework 1.1 SP1

Wellllll.........

I worked everything down to here.  3.5 SP1 installed fine.

When I run 1.1 (dotnetfx.exe) I get a freeze.

It runs to a point where the timer indicates 0 seconds and stops while
displaying:
     Registering System.EnterpriseServices.dll

I looked at the processes and found 4 copies of msiexec.exe.  I discovered
that if I kill one of those the installation will continue and _say_ that
the 1.1 installation has been completed.  At that point I run the last one
(NDP1.1sp1, etc.) and it too freezes, altho I didn't write down any of the
details on that.

I've gone through this several times by going back to the cleanup tool and
starting over.  It always comes out the same way.

Right now I have 3.5 installed, but have not tried 1.1 again and have no
clue what to do next.

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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:26:50 -0600
Local: Fri, Nov 6 2009 11:26 am
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
<snipped>
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/browse_...

Is there anything you have tried to run that is not working?

You may not *need* .NET Framework 1.1...

Visit Windows Updates and see what you get with a custom scan...  Under
"Critical" or "High Priority" updates.  Ignore - for now - optional of any
form (and always ignore 'Hardware'.)

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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:40:11 -0500
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Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
"Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> <snipped>
>> Right now I have 3.5 installed, but have not tried 1.1 again and
>> have no clue what to do next.

> Is there anything you have tried to run that is not working?

> You may not *need* .NET Framework 1.1...

> Visit Windows Updates and see what you get with a custom scan...  Under
> "Critical" or "High Priority" updates.  Ignore - for now - optional of any
> form (and always ignore 'Hardware'.)

It will probbably be a while before I have tried everything, but so far so
good.  I have nothing that requires a lot of resources.  Of course that's
probably beside the point.

I'll visit the upgrade site carefully.

Thanks

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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:06:04 -0500
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Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
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> <snipped>
> Visit Windows Updates and see what you get with a custom scan...  Under
> "Critical" or "High Priority" updates.  Ignore - for now - optional of any
> form (and always ignore 'Hardware'.)

Here's what happened.  I selected:

Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 and .NET Framework 3.5 Family
Update for .NET versions 2.0 through 3.5 (KB951847) x86

The result was:

The following updates were not installed:
-------------------------------------------
Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 and .NET Framework 3.5 Family
Update for .NET versions 2.0 through 3.5 (KB951847) x86
-------------------------------------------

Apparently, all told, nothing happened but downloads to somewhere.

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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 22:24:00 -0500
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help
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> <snipped>
> 5. Install the downloaded updates in this order (the order is very
> important):
> • .NET Framework 3.5 SP1
> • .NET Framework 1.1
> • .NET Framework 1.1 SP1

What is this?  It would seem to me that the updates should go into the
computer in the same order they did originally - lower numbers first.

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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 02:12:50 -0500
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 6:12 pm
Subject: Re: I'm new here. Really need update help

JimL wrote:
>> <snipped>

>> 5. Install the downloaded updates in this order (the order is very
>> important):
>> • .NET Framework 3.5 SP1
>> • .NET Framework 1.1
>> • .NET Framework 1.1 SP1

> What is this?  It would seem to me that the updates should go into the
> computer in the same order they did originally - lower numbers first.

Not in this case.  See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/976982

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