Kollaborative Frame Google Group

Re: Kobby Interest

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:26:45 UT

I can create a sites.google.com account for the project for website hosting. I've used it for other projects and it works great.

I just put in a request for being added to the KDE bugzilla, and ill send out an email on the google sites account once its created.

Re: Kobby Interest

skree...@gmail.com (Roger Pixley) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:38:10 UT

I'm still looking at Website Hosting. KDE will do tracking for libqinfinity
and kobby in bugs.kde.org if you are willing to. What do you need on the
website? If you would like to request the entries on bugs.kde.org then
[link] should do the job.

Re: Kobby Interest

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:12:13 UT

Forwarded from Kollaborative-frame group:
Im completely open to this idea, but from what I can tell about
gitorious it lacks a couple features that we currently use on github
(website hosting and issue tracking). It seems like KDE will inevitably
end up on gitourious, so it would still probably be a good idea to make

Re: Kobby Interest

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:10:53 UT

Im completely open to this idea, but from what I can tell about
gitorious it lacks a couple features that we currently use on github
(website hosting and issue tracking). It seems like KDE will inevitably
end up on gitourious, so it would still probably be a good idea to make
the move.
Well need to find replacement hosting for these features before this can

Kobby Interest

skree...@gmail.com (Roger Pixley) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:38:21 UT

Hello I've been trying to feel out receptivity to kollaborative-frame and of
course the implementations currently of kobby and libqinfinity. It seems
that some people are blissfully unaware of it and some others have heard of
it but it's a little off the radar. One thing I have heard from quite a few

Re: Communication while Editing.

skree...@gmail.com (Roger Pixley) — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:31:32 UT

Ok I'll make an announcement for it for sprints and general tests. What
other filters have been done for infinote other than Text? Would it be too
forward to say that if a Suite of programs handles formats in a particular
way they should write a filter to allow remote kollaboration throughout the

Re: Communication while Editing.

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:24:27 UT

I figured the server had fallen off everyone's radar. It definitely
would be useful for me if it were to be used so I just put it back up:
infinote.greghaynes.net

Re: Communication while Editing.

skree...@gmail.com (Roger Pixley) — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:37:31 UT

Wow I"m late on jumping in on this :-) Ok here are my thoughts at least on a
desktop level I've already pitched my concept of clients being able to be
light or heavy servers. I also don't see any reason why they cannot be light
and heavy clients. A heavy client would be one that tries to tie together

Re: Communication while Editing.

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:14:48 UT

I have also been researching this new technology and trying to determine its
possible impacts on existing collaborative applications. While Wave seems to
offer a slew of collaborative features, it seems like it would be very difficult
to integrate all of these in a client-side feature-rich editor, like Kate.

Re: Communication while Editing.

mich...@daclubhouse.net (Michael Fair) — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:48:40 UT

Creating and joining a MUC (a channel in XMPP speak) is pretty trivial
and definitely should be worked into the architecture.

I just saw a demo of Google WAVE recently and really liked what they
had implemented.
[link]
It really inspired me on a few fronts for what collaboration could be like.

Re: Communication while Editing.

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Sun, 31 May 2009 05:17:08 UT

That makes sense. Something else that could be done, is creating a chat
plugin for libinfinity similar to the InfText plugin, but with chat operations
instead of insert/remove text operations. I dont see any reason why this
wouldnt work, and clients which dont recognize the plugin would not be

Re: Communication while Editing.

skree...@gmail.com (Roger Pixley) — Sun, 31 May 2009 03:53:05 UT

Just had a light chat with the devs and they had wanted caht removed from
the API altogether. I have yet to speak to the person (ck) who has final
word on this but I'm thinking that it falls more in ine with the original
submission that I had made of having a light serer that focuses solely on
the document and sharing it and a heavier specification that is much more

Re: Communication while Editing.

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Sat, 30 May 2009 19:18:57 UT

I was speaking from a purely API standpoint, my knowledge of jabber is
somewhat lacking. Creating chat outside of a document would mean major
changes to the libinfinity API because user information is specified on a per-
document basis, so im not sure the libinfinity devs would go for this. Maybe a

Re: Communication while Editing.

skree...@gmail.com (Roger Pixley) — Sat, 30 May 2009 07:54:16 UT

On a server level this would certainly mean a major API change, but I dont
see
why this would be difficult to implement on a document level. User
information
is already provided when joining a document, so maybe a chat facility could
be
retrieved after joining a session?

So simply spawn a new Channel? I know it's all Jabber based so technically

Re: Communication while Editing.

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Sat, 30 May 2009 07:05:26 UT

I did some digging around in the libinfinity API for communication features,
and AFAICT there are no document or server level user to user chat facilities
in the library. This could be (relatively) easily added on a document level
via a note plugin without having to modify libinfinity. Ill send out a message

Communication while Editing.

skree...@gmail.com (Roger Pixley) — Sat, 30 May 2009 05:42:55 UT

Sending this out to the list to garner some mindmash. Currently libinfinity
(and hence libqinfinity) supports communication by Jabber on a server level.
For quite a few reasons I think that having an option to have it on a
document level is a good idea. If you think of a large assembly such as
Akademy or GCDS (Side Thought: How do you abstract that? *DS?) where you

Re: Kobby

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:07:22 UT

Sorry for the slow reply. The meeting-attend.png icon is part of the Oxygen
icon set, so I think it should come with your KDE install?

Kobby

sascha.ma...@directbox.com (Sascha Manns) — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:25:08 UT

Hello Mates,
the libqinfinity is finished. Now i try to build kobby. The Package
builds to the *.desktop File. You use meeting-attendend.png in the
*.desktop File. But the Icon is not included.
Can you add these please?

Re: update

sascha.ma...@directbox.com (Sascha Manns) — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:39:14 UT

Am Mittwoch 22 April 2009 05:25:34 schrieb Gregory Haynes:
Thank you very much for updating. :-) Now the Package builds
perfectly...

Re: update

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:25:34 UT

Hello,
Thanks for the patches! I did some research and turns out I'm not so good at
writing CMakeScripts. I found a solution in kdelibs that doesnt require
hardcoding the /usr/lib64 path into the Find script. If you could test this
and make sure it works on your system that would be aweseme. I also fixed the

update

sascha.ma...@directbox.com (Sascha Manns) — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:23:15 UT

Hello Mates,
i've attached the Changes for lib64.
My BuildService builds not to the End. The Check for Compiler Errors
said me:
E: libqinfinity no-return-in-nonvoid-function
/usr/src/packages/BUILD/libqin finity-1.0b1/libqinfinity/brow seriter.cpp:140,
134, 128, 122, 111, 105, 99, 93, 87, 81, 75, 69, 63, 57

Re: Few PATH Errors

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:20:14 UT

Thats odd, I would think those directories would be symlinked? Does it
work if you set the find_path( GLIB_LIB_INCLUDE_DIR to search in /usr/lib64?

Re: Few PATH Errors

sascha.ma...@directbox.com (Sascha Manns) — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:30:05 UT

Hi Gregory,
On my System i have:
/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include/gl ibconfig.h
/usr/lib64/glib/include/glibco nfig.h
Yes, that was it. :-)
Actual i have only the Error in:
-- Found Qt-Version 4.5.0 (using /usr/bin/qmake)

Re: Few PATH Errors

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:13:02 UT

Hello,
It seems the FindGlib.cmake script is having a hard time finding your
glib-config.h file. On my system this is in
/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include/glib config.h. Do you know where this file
would be on your system so I can fix the script?
Libqinfinity is just a Qt wrapper for libinfinity, so the library does

Few PATH Errors

samann...@directbox.com (saigkill) — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:55:20 UT

Hi Mates,

i have the following Packages in my Spec: libkde4-devel libqt4-devel
qt-devel cmake fdupes gcc-c++ doxygen glib2-devel glib-devel
pkgconfig.

But i become the Errors;
-- Found Qt-Version 4.5.0 (using /usr/bin/qmake)
CMake Error: The following variables are used in this project, but

Kobby Testing

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:24:29 UT

Its been a while since I gave a status update on Kobby, but things are going
very well. I would like to start getting as many bugs documented as possible,
and so im in need of some alpha testers. If anyone is up for the challenge it
would be a big help. Also, if any parts of the installing/runnig procedure

Re: Note about GSoC

skree...@gmail.com (Roger Pixley) — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 01:10:52 UT

Cool I spoke with them as well and some were still a little under the
impression that you were applying for a GSoC so I cleared that up. I
suppose we can start a new thread on what Koffice will need to
implement that isn't already in the infinote protocol. Things that we
mentioned before like being able to discover the capabilities of the

Re: Note about GSoC

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:11:55 UT

I had a nice discussion with some of the people in #koffice about this and, as
you said, they seem very interested in adding collaborative support.
What I came out with is that: First, a change tracking system needs to be
added so there can be a place to tie the collaborative system into. This isnt

Re: Note about GSoC

skree...@gmail.com (skreech2) — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:02:58 UT

Right spoke with them and they are very interested in the feature they
just didn't think it right for a GSoC project. They already have a non
student working on it and have a wiki page at
[link] :-) Basically a
lot of people in Koffice would be interested in seeing this move

Re: Note about GSoC

skree...@gmail.com (Roger Pixley) — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:26:21 UT

Jump into #koffice for an unofficial chat or mail Thomas Zander (Who
removed the project from the listing btw) I would say mail the mailing
list but as noted the project has been removed from a GS0C
consideration. There is interest in the direction so it's worth it to
explore at least.

Re: Note about GSoC

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:52:41 UT

I would be more than interested. Sounds like just what the library needs :).

Note about GSoC

skree...@gmail.com (Roger Pixley) — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 07:59:59 UT

I just was looking at hte KDE GS0C projects and one of them is Koffce doing
collborative editing. Anyone interested in working with them with
libinfinity-qt ? It would be good for them to start working on it as well as
good for libinfinity to have another project using it to start breaking it
in untold interesting ways :-)

Re: Session Joining

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:55:36 UT

I actually couldn't find any docs on it. I have just been running it without
TLS for the time being by running infinoted --security-policy=no-tls

The Gobby app somehow runs it, so that might be a good place to look. My
guess is that it uses the libinfinity server objects to start and control the

Re: Session Joining

skree...@gmail.com (Roger Pixley) — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:47:09 UT

Sweeeet I'll let the Koffice guys know they should be looking at it as
well. Are there docs on it somewhere? The faster they start playing
with it ( and they really would like to play) the more testing
everything gets I would hope.

Re: Session Joining

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:22:22 UT

There is a lightweight server that comes with the library, called 'infinoted'.
I have been using it to test Kobby and it works great.

Re: Session Joining

skree...@gmail.com (Roger Pixley) — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:39:37 UT

How heavy is the spec for what's needed to put up a libinfinity
server? is there much difference between just joining and sharing
notes or the full blown spec?

Re: Session Joining

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:30:58 UT

I haven't tested it yet, but you should be able to. The only problem there
might be is that Gobby now uses libinfinity-0.2 while libinfinitymm wraps
version 0.1.2, but this should change pretty soon.

Session Joining

skree...@gmail.com — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:08:16 UT

Well Session Joining is in now :) I have to ask does this mean that we
can use Kobby to join in any libinfinote sessions?

Re: Online documentation

skree...@gmail.com (Roger Pixley) — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:27:00 UT

I was reading the technical notes after you put it up yesterday. I'll
continue reading through as I have time. Any other volunteers?

Online documentation

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 23:07:03 UT

Earlier today I added Kobby to the redmine site used for
libinfinitymm/libqinfinitymm (libinfinitymm.greghaynes.net) , making this the
Kobby + Kobby tool set location. This should allow for easy cross-project
referencing as well as a central location for all the Kobby related
documentation. Ill add a DNS entry for kobby.greghaynes.net that points to

Re: Camping Expedition

skree...@gmail.com (Roger Pixley) — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:28:09 UT

How about an outline and then if anyone is confused about the
presentation they can get briefs :) I'm certain everyone following
this would like an organized way to pimp this project anyway :-)

Re: Camping Expedition

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:29:17 UT

I wont be able to attend either (although I certainly wish I could). I would
be more than happy to write an outline on the project(s), and brief anyone on
some of the current dev.

- Gregory Haynes

Re: Camping Expedition

skree...@gmail.com (Roger Pixley) — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 04:10:26 UT

Aawwww I'd have loved if you could come as well. If you want to write
an outline for the project I or someone else could present it. Anyone
else was looking to attend the Event?

Re: Camping Expedition

psychobr...@gmx.net (Andreas Ramm) — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:41:09 UT

I would have loved to come, but I unfortunately just won't be able to make it :(
Andreas

Camping Expedition

skree...@gmail.com (Roger Pixley) — Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:56:51 UT

Hello Just checking if anyone is planning on [link] next year?
a B0F on this with the other mainline devs would be great

Re: Visibilty!

skree...@gmail.com (Roger Pixley) — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:53:26 UT

Well not to put any pressure on you but campKDE is coming up in
Jamaica in a few weeks. lots of BoF with people needing a
collaborative editor :) Sounds like a testing ground

Re: Visibilty!

g...@greghaynes.net (Gregory Haynes) — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:05:36 UT

I agree that I may have been keeping it a little too low of a profile:
school started just before the end of GSoC and I've been trying to spend
most of my spare time on the actual editor. I was planning on making a
post near the start of my winter break in a week and a half, once I have
a nice amount of spare time.

Re: Visibilty!

psychobr...@gmx.net (Andreas Ramm) — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:55:43 UT

I think that's a great idea, but Greg is the best one to answer that ;)

Visibilty!

skree...@gmail.com (Roger Pixley) — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:03:33 UT

A question on Aaron's weekly webcast led to a side discussion on
linqinfinitymm.
Quite a few people were pleased that it was in the works and had not heard
of it before. They were also quite glad to see Greg's recent commits
(Whoooooo Greg!) would either Greg or Andreas like to put up a blog post on

Interesting blog post

skree...@gmail.com (Roger Pixley) — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:25:33 UT

Just in case you missed it :)
[link]