I want to draw your kind attention towards a link building method
which many websites are using to get top 10 rankings in Google.
When I searched for the term 'meditation' in Google, I found one site
which is among top 8 sites on first page out of a total of 39,100,000
results. The site enjoys a page rank of 6 and has more than 2000
incoming links. As such it appears to be an authority site.
However, a detailed study of it's backlinks reveals that the site is
using a clever method to get backlinks. The owner (or whoever manages
this website) has a webcounter service on a different domain. Now
anybody who register for this webcounter on the site, he is given the
following code for pasting on his own site/blog :
As you can see yourself, the above is a hidden attempt to put a link
on various websites/blog in the name of providing a webcounter
service. Hundreds of naive webmasters who don't know much about it,
are thus agreed to paste this code on their site/blog in the name of a
free counter.
Sir, as you can check yourself, most of these links are unrelated and
have been created without the knowledge of webmasters. Since, this
site appears to get very high ranking for the ultra competitive word
'meditation' , I think that it put other genuine sites on meditation
at a disadvantage.
Sir, being a part of meditation niche, I want to know from you whether
such type of link building tactics are acceptable to Google. If yes,
then does that mean that Google approves using such hidden method of
back link generation ?
No, they are generally discounted when Google finds out about it.
Apparently it has not been discovered yet or the site has enough high
quality links to make up for the crappy counter links.
> I want to draw your kind attention towards a link building method
> which many websites are using to get top 10 rankings in Google.
> When I searched for the term 'meditation' in Google, I found one site
> which is among top 8 sites on first page out of a total of 39,100,000
> results. The site enjoys a page rank of 6 and has more than 2000
> incoming links. As such it appears to be an authority site.
> However, a detailed study of it's backlinks reveals that the site is
> using a clever method to get backlinks. The owner (or whoever manages
> this website) has a webcounter service on a different domain. Now
> anybody who register for this webcounter on the site, he is given the
> following code for pasting on his own site/blog :
> As you can see yourself, the above is a hidden attempt to put a link
> on various websites/blog in the name of providing a webcounter
> service. Hundreds of naive webmasters who don't know much about it,
> are thus agreed to paste this code on their site/blog in the name of a
> free counter.
> Sir, as you can check yourself, most of these links are unrelated and
> have been created without the knowledge of webmasters. Since, this
> site appears to get very high ranking for the ultra competitive word
> 'meditation' , I think that it put other genuine sites on meditation
> at a disadvantage.
> Sir, being a part of meditation niche, I want to know from you whether
> such type of link building tactics are acceptable to Google. If yes,
> then does that mean that Google approves using such hidden method of
> back link generation ?
> No, they are generally discounted when Google finds out about it.
> Apparently it has not been discovered yet or the site has enough high
> quality links to make up for the crappy counter links.
> On Dec 3, 1:54 pm, Shekhar wrote:
> > Dear friends at Google,
> > I want to draw your kind attention towards a link building method
> > which many websites are using to get top 10 rankings in Google.
> > When I searched for the term 'meditation' in Google, I found one site
> > which is among top 8 sites on first page out of a total of 39,100,000
> > results. The site enjoys a page rank of 6 and has more than 2000
> > incoming links. As such it appears to be an authority site.
> > However, a detailed study of it's backlinks reveals that the site is
> > using a clever method to get backlinks. The owner (or whoever manages
> > this website) has a webcounter service on a different domain. Now
> > anybody who register for this webcounter on the site, he is given the
> > following code for pasting on his own site/blog :
> > As you can see yourself, the above is a hidden attempt to put a link
> > on various websites/blog in the name of providing a webcounter
> > service. Hundreds of naive webmasters who don't know much about it,
> > are thus agreed to paste this code on their site/blog in the name of a
> > free counter.
> > Sir, as you can check yourself, most of these links are unrelated and
> > have been created without the knowledge of webmasters. Since, this
> > site appears to get very high ranking for the ultra competitive word
> > 'meditation' , I think that it put other genuine sites on meditation
> > at a disadvantage.
> > Sir, being a part of meditation niche, I want to know from you whether
> > such type of link building tactics are acceptable to Google. If yes,
> > then does that mean that Google approves using such hidden method of
> > back link generation ?
You are right. While those counter links may make up most of what
Google shows they could have some high quality links that are actually
passing value, which would more than make up for the non-value passing
counter links
> I wouldn't be so sure about it- just nowadays 30-50 natural links are
> far enough for PR5-6, but mainly for good ranking for a search term
> like this.
> And it's possible that not all of the ~2000 links are counter-junk.
> On Dec 3, 7:03 pm, piloSEO wrote:
> > No, they are generally discounted when Google finds out about it.
> > Apparently it has not been discovered yet or the site has enough high
> > quality links to make up for the crappy counter links.
> > On Dec 3, 1:54 pm, Shekhar wrote:
> > > Dear friends at Google,
> > > I want to draw your kind attention towards a link building method
> > > which many websites are using to get top 10 rankings in Google.
> > > When I searched for the term 'meditation' in Google, I found one site
> > > which is among top 8 sites on first page out of a total of 39,100,000
> > > results. The site enjoys a page rank of 6 and has more than 2000
> > > incoming links. As such it appears to be an authority site.
> > > However, a detailed study of it's backlinks reveals that the site is
> > > using a clever method to get backlinks. The owner (or whoever manages
> > > this website) has a webcounter service on a different domain. Now
> > > anybody who register for this webcounter on the site, he is given the
> > > following code for pasting on his own site/blog :
> > > As you can see yourself, the above is a hidden attempt to put a link
> > > on various websites/blog in the name of providing a webcounter
> > > service. Hundreds of naive webmasters who don't know much about it,
> > > are thus agreed to paste this code on their site/blog in the name of a
> > > free counter.
> > > Sir, as you can check yourself, most of these links are unrelated and
> > > have been created without the knowledge of webmasters. Since, this
> > > site appears to get very high ranking for the ultra competitive word
> > > 'meditation' , I think that it put other genuine sites on meditation
> > > at a disadvantage.
> > > Sir, being a part of meditation niche, I want to know from you whether
> > > such type of link building tactics are acceptable to Google. If yes,
> > > then does that mean that Google approves using such hidden method of
> > > back link generation ?
With your permission I would join and raise a question on other
questionable methods.
Let say, website aaa.com is deeply engaged in free links exchange
business. it manages to collect some 8000 links (by Yahoo) of which
half is also registered by Google. Of course, only few of these are
relevant and/or bear nonzero PR.
The AAA.com blocks the folder where their link pages are hidden, using
ROBOTS.TXT , robots nofollow etc, thus making these links invisible
for Google bot. Therefore Google may mistake these links for "One
Way".
Now, would Google think AAA has *bought* these trash links
Please consider this post as Theoretical, and please, no flames.
What do you think?
> No, they are generally discounted when Google finds out about it.
> Apparently it has not been discovered yet or the site has enough high
> quality links to make up for the crappy counter links.
> On Dec 3, 1:54 pm, Shekhar wrote:
> > Dear friends at Google,
> > I want to draw your kind attention towards a link building method
> > which many websites are using to get top 10 rankings in Google.
> > When I searched for the term 'meditation' in Google, I found one site
> > which is among top 8 sites on first page out of a total of 39,100,000
> > results. The site enjoys a page rank of 6 and has more than 2000
> > incoming links. As such it appears to be an authority site.
> > However, a detailed study of it's backlinks reveals that the site is
> > using a clever method to get backlinks. The owner (or whoever manages
> > this website) has a webcounter service on a different domain. Now
> > anybody who register for this webcounter on the site, he is given the
> > following code for pasting on his own site/blog :
> > As you can see yourself, the above is a hidden attempt to put a link
> > on various websites/blog in the name of providing a webcounter
> > service. Hundreds of naive webmasters who don't know much about it,
> > are thus agreed to paste this code on their site/blog in the name of a
> > free counter.
> > Sir, as you can check yourself, most of these links are unrelated and
> > have been created without the knowledge of webmasters. Since, this
> > site appears to get very high ranking for the ultra competitive word
> > 'meditation' , I think that it put other genuine sites on meditation
> > at a disadvantage.
> > Sir, being a part of meditation niche, I want to know from you whether
> > such type of link building tactics are acceptable to Google. If yes,
> > then does that mean that Google approves using such hidden method of
> > back link generation ?
Thanks for posting. The method you described doesn't appear to follow
our Webmaster Guidelines; specifically, the part about participating
in link schemes:
> I want to draw your kind attention towards a link building method
> which many websites are using to get top 10 rankings in Google.
> When I searched for the term 'meditation' in Google, I found one site
> which is among top 8 sites on first page out of a total of 39,100,000
> results. The site enjoys a page rank of 6 and has more than 2000
> incoming links. As such it appears to be an authority site.
> However, a detailed study of it's backlinks reveals that the site is
> using a clever method to get backlinks. The owner (or whoever manages
> this website) has a webcounter service on a different domain. Now
> anybody who register for this webcounter on the site, he is given the
> following code for pasting on his own site/blog :
> As you can see yourself, the above is a hidden attempt to put a link
> on various websites/blog in the name of providing a webcounter
> service. Hundreds of naive webmasters who don't know much about it,
> are thus agreed to paste this code on their site/blog in the name of a
> free counter.
> Sir, as you can check yourself, most of these links are unrelated and
> have been created without the knowledge of webmasters. Since, this
> site appears to get very high ranking for the ultra competitive word
> 'meditation' , I think that it put other genuine sites on meditation
> at a disadvantage.
> Sir, being a part of meditation niche, I want to know from you whether
> such type of link building tactics are acceptable to Google. If yes,
> then does that mean that Google approves using such hidden method of
> back link generation ?
>>> When I searched for the term 'meditation'
>>> in Google, I found one site
>>> which is among top 8 sites
Until yet I have not heard anything about a possible RElevance of the
site regarding the search term employed?
Is the site relevant to the search? Or not? If it is, I wouldn't care
too much about possibly how and why it achieved a good ranking. Do I
want to see the site as result or not.
Well the site is on meditation and it's content is relevant to people
who want to search for 'meditation' sites. Since, I also belong to a
site related to meditation, it would not be proper on my part to
comment on the quality of its content. However, I must add that the
content is not that good to deserve such a high ranking in Google for
such a fierce competitive term.
My objection is not on the content of the site. My objection is about
the covert link building strategy adopted by this site to gain
valuable one way incoming links. In my research I found that even
sites with Pagerank 5 are giving link juice to this site from their
home page (as they are using the webcounter code). Though I agree that
the site has many quality backlinks also (from article directories &
related websites etc), the presence of so many backlinks from many
unrelated sites is also contributing in its high ranking.
You have written :
"If it is related to meditation, I wouldn't care too much about
possibly how and why it achieved a good ranking. Do I want to see the
site as result or not."
If you are a lay person,you would not care about how & why of this
site's achieving a good ranking. However, it you are a person who also
manages a site on same topic and want to improve the ranking of your
site, you'll have to study why some sites are getting so high rankings
for their search terms. As a webmaster of one site on meditation, I'll
have to do research and planing to promote my site. The analysis of
this link building strategy was also a part of this process. I think
anybody in my position would do the same and sought clarification from
Google.
Nathan thanks for telling me about the spam reporting tool. I shall
post the details of the site there.
> >>> When I searched for the term 'meditation'
> >>> in Google, I found one site
> >>> which is among top 8 sites
> Until yet I have not heard anything about a possible RElevance of the
> site regarding the search term employed?
> Is the site relevant to the search? Or not? If it is, I wouldn't care
> too much about possibly how and why it achieved a good ranking. Do I
> want to see the site as result or not.
> Well the site is on meditation and it's content is relevant to people
> who want to search for 'meditation' sites. Since, I also belong to a
> site related to meditation, it would not be proper on my part to
> comment on the quality of its content. However, I must add that the
> content is not that good to deserve such a high ranking in Google for
> such a fierce competitive term.
> My objection is not on the content of the site. My objection is about
> the covert link building strategy adopted by this site to gain
> valuable one way incoming links. In my research I found that even
> sites with Pagerank 5 are giving link juice to this site from their
> home page (as they are using the webcounter code). Though I agree that
> the site has many quality backlinks also (from article directories &
> related websites etc), the presence of so many backlinks from many
> unrelated sites is also contributing in its high ranking.
> You have written :
> "If it is related to meditation, I wouldn't care too much about
> possibly how and why it achieved a good ranking. Do I want to see the
> site as result or not."
> If you are a lay person,you would not care about how & why of this
> site's achieving a good ranking. However, it you are a person who also
> manages a site on same topic and want to improve the ranking of your
> site, you'll have to study why some sites are getting so high rankings
> for their search terms. As a webmaster of one site on meditation, I'll
> have to do research and planing to promote my site. The analysis of
> this link building strategy was also a part of this process. I think
> anybody in my position would do the same and sought clarification from
> Google.
> Nathan thanks for telling me about the spam reporting tool. I shall
> post the details of the site there.
> Regards
> Shekhar
> On Dec 4, 5:41 am, luzie wrote:
> > >>> When I searched for the term 'meditation'
> > >>> in Google, I found one site
> > >>> which is among top 8 sites
> > Until yet I have not heard anything about a possible RElevance of the
> > site regarding the search term employed?
> > Is the site relevant to the search? Or not? If it is, I wouldn't care
> > too much about possibly how and why it achieved a good ranking. Do I
> > want to see the site as result or not.
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