I'm searching for someone who could give me a hand in setting up the connection between my Apple IIGS and my Linux box. I thought it should be possile to use the latest Marinetti release with direct connect link layer on the iigs side and a combination of slattach, route, arp, and such on the linux side. But it doesn't work. If someone's interested, I can give full detail about what I've done so far. My gues is that I somehow misconfigured the serial line on the linux side, or misunderstood the whole thing, but I really don't know what to do at the moment.
Would be very nice if someone might help me! I'd so much like to setup a public BBS system like the AOR...
> side. But it doesn't work. If someone's interested, I can give full detail > about what I've done so far. My gues is that I somehow misconfigured the > serial line on the linux side, or misunderstood the whole thing, but I > really > don't know what to do at the moment.
When I wanted to test a serial connection, I wrote a short Perl script to echo an endless stream of zeroes to the serial port. If these zeroes showed up on the Apple, then I knew that the connection was working.
> I'm searching for someone who could give me a hand in setting up the > connection between my Apple IIGS and my Linux box. I thought it should be > possile to use the latest Marinetti release with direct connect link layer on > the iigs side and a combination of slattach, route, arp, and such on the linux > side. But it doesn't work. If someone's interested, I can give full detail > about what I've done so far. My gues is that I somehow misconfigured the > serial line on the linux side, or misunderstood the whole thing, but I really > don't know what to do at the moment.
> Would be very nice if someone might help me! I'd so much like to setup a > public BBS system like the AOR...
> Greetz, > Holger
Its been a little while since I played with Marinetti, however, I think you will want to use the SLIP link layer, *not* the Direct Connect link layer. IIRC, the Direct Connect link layer is for creating a connection using the Windows (2000 or less) Direct Connection feature.
Hopefully my memory is serving me well and that this helps!
> > > > side. But it doesn't work. If someone's interested, I can give full > > detail > > > about what I've done so far. My gues is that I somehow misconfigured the > > serial line on the linux side, or misunderstood the whole thing, but I > > really > > don't know what to do at the moment. > > When I wanted to test a serial connection, I wrote a short Perl script to > echo an endless stream of zeroes to the serial port. If these zeroes showed > up on the Apple, then I knew that the connection was working.
Generally I know that the connection is working, because I'm able to use ADTPro for booting and disc transfer. It must have something to do with Marinetti setup...
To: Polymorph > On Oct 20, 9:12=A0am, "pandel" <pan...@a2central.com.remove-zvp-this>
> wrote:
> > Hi! > > > > I'm searching for someone who could give me a hand in setting up the > > connection between my Apple IIGS and my Linux box. I thought it should be > > possile to use the latest Marinetti release with direct connect link > > laye= > r on > > the iigs side and a combination of slattach, route, arp, and such on the > > = > linux > > side. But it doesn't work. If someone's interested, I can give full > > detai= > l > > about what I've done so far. My gues is that I somehow misconfigured the > > serial line on the linux side, or misunderstood the whole thing, but I > > re= > ally > > don't know what to do at the moment. > > > > Would be very nice if someone might help me! I'd so much like to setup a > > public BBS system like the AOR... > > > > Greetz, > > Holger > > Its been a little while since I played with Marinetti, however, I > think you will want to use the SLIP link layer, *not* the Direct > Connect link layer. IIRC, the Direct Connect link layer is for > creating a connection using the Windows (2000 or less) Direct > Connection feature.
> Hopefully my memory is serving me well and that this helps!
> Cheers, > Mike
Hi Mike,
sounds interesting. I don't really know waht this direct connect thing is, that Windows offers, but I'll give it a try. If nothing works, I'll setup a slip server on the linux side. But many thanks for the hint.
Polymorph wrote: > Its been a little while since I played with Marinetti, however, I > think you will want to use the SLIP link layer, *not* the Direct > Connect link layer. IIRC, the Direct Connect link layer is for > creating a connection using the Windows (2000 or less) Direct > Connection feature.
The DirectConnect link layer is more for being able to directly connect two machines running Marinetti. There was another link layer written by Andrew Roughan that allowed connecting using the Windows Direct Connection feature by adding support for MS-CHAP2 authentication but I can't remember what it was called.
The SLIP, PPP or PPP (scripted) link layers are better to use when trying to connect to a Linux box. I haven't tried to do this sort of thing for about 10 years but I seem to recall using slipd or pppd on the Linux side after configuring the serial port appropriately.
<jeff.blake...@a2central.com.remove-ri4-this> wrote: > To: Polymorph
> Polymorph wrote: > > Its been a little while since I played with Marinetti, however, I > > think you will want to use the SLIP link layer, *not* the Direct > > Connect link layer. IIRC, the Direct Connect link layer is for > > creating a connection using the Windows (2000 or less) Direct > > Connection feature.
> The DirectConnect link layer is more for being able to directly connect > two machines running Marinetti. There was another link layer written by > Andrew Roughan that allowed connecting using the Windows Direct > Connection feature by adding support for MS-CHAP2 authentication but I > can't remember what it was called.
> The SLIP, PPP or PPP (scripted) link layers are better to use when > trying to connect to a Linux box. I haven't tried to do this sort of > thing for about 10 years but I seem to recall using slipd or pppd on the > Linux side after configuring the serial port appropriately.
Yes, you are correct. I just went to the Marinetti site to refresh my memory. It is the PPP (scripted) link layer you use to connect to Windows (2000 or less). You need to write an appropriate script to communicate with the Windows "Direct Connect" feature (which uses MS- CHAPv1 - but as typical with MS, the implementation varies slightly between releases of Windows). I played around with this a couple of years ago, but could not get it to work when running the host operating system (I think I tried Win98) in a virtual machine. I must have another crack at it when I get time...
Sorry for the mis-information regarding the "Direct Connect" link layer (my memory sucks!).
You're still advised (as Jeff and I pointed out) to use the SLIP or PPP link layers when connecting to Linux however.
Mike, Jeff, many thanks for your support! Two days ago I tried to get it to work with the PPP (scripted) layer but with no luck. Somehow it connected to pppd on my linux machine, but it doesn't transfer the given credentials and I can't get pppd to ignore pap/chap. I'll give it a try with a slip server config. Also, I thought it might have something to do with the cable I use, but I've absolutely no problem with adtpro or proterm(gs)/minicom(linux).
On Oct 22, 11:27 pm, pan...@macgui.com (Holger Pandel) wrote:
> Mike, Jeff, many thanks for your support! Two days ago I tried to get it to > work with the PPP (scripted) layer but with no luck. Somehow it connected to > pppd on my linux machine, but it doesn't transfer the given credentials and > I can't get pppd to ignore pap/chap. I'll give it a try with a slip server > config. Also, I thought it might have something to do with the cable I use, > but I've absolutely no problem with adtpro or proterm(gs)/minicom(linux).
If you are trying to connect to pppd, I would have thought the normal PPP link layer (i.e. non scripted) would be sufficient. I assume you edited the connection script for PPP (scripted)? I *think* the script that comes with PPP (scripted) is tailored for use with Windows 9x "Direct Connection" (I could be wrong here).
Andrew Roughan is the best guy to answer all of these questions though as he is the maintainer of Marinetti, and knows it inside and out.
Polymorph wrote: > > On Oct 22, 11:27 pm, pan...@macgui.com (Holger Pandel) wrote: >> Mike, Jeff, many thanks for your support! Two days ago I tried to get it >> to >> work with the PPP (scripted) layer but with no luck. Somehow it connected >> to >> pppd on my linux machine, but it doesn't transfer the given credentials >> and >> I can't get pppd to ignore pap/chap. I'll give it a try with a slip >> server >> config. Also, I thought it might have something to do with the cable I >> use, >> but I've absolutely no problem with adtpro or proterm(gs)/minicom(linux).
> If you are trying to connect to pppd, I would have thought the normal > PPP link layer (i.e. non scripted) would be sufficient. I assume you > edited the connection script for PPP (scripted)? I *think* the script > that comes with PPP (scripted) is tailored for use with Windows 9x > "Direct Connection" (I could be wrong here).
> Andrew Roughan is the best guy to answer all of these questions though > as he is the maintainer of Marinetti, and knows it inside and out.
Holger Pandel wrote: > PPP (scripted) layer connected to pppd on my linux machine, but it doesn't transfer the given credentials > and I can't get pppd to ignore pap/chap.
What version of the ppp link layer are you using? (navigate to *:system:TCPIP within Finder and use Open-Apple-I(nfo) on the PPPx (scripted) link layer file.
Any version should support PAP. However only 1.3d4 and above will support CHAP. These are available for separate download from Marinetti home page. In order to use CHAP, you will need Hash Tool installed, a freeware Apple IIgs toolset by Geoff Weiss, which generates hash codes. It may be downloaded at the following URL: http://hashtool.gwlink.net If Hash Tool is not installed then CHAP authentication is not possible, and if the server that you are connecting to requires CHAP then all attempts to authenticate will fail.
> I'll give it a try with a slip server config.
This is a much simpler connection option with lower overhead than PPP. Have you tried this?
Polymorph wrote: > I *think* the script that comes with PPP (scripted) is tailored for use with Windows 9x > "Direct Connection" (I could be wrong here).
You have windows connectivity on the brain! No, the script is not tailored specifically for that use.
> Andrew ... knows [Marinetti] inside and out.
Actually, I'd be lost without the RFCs when looking at the inside.
Hope this helps you get a bit further. Sorry I can't help with the Linux side.
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