Dear All, From previous auctions, I have bought a IIe and a IIc monitor (with its stand) and both do not display any image and I need your advice about the problems and a potential repair (remember I am in Paris, France and I do not want to send my monitor to the USA ;-) if that is worth it.
All tests have been performed with my IIe computer, validating the display output with a third and working Zenith monitor, I can say the IIe outputs video normally.
The IIe monitor (model Monitor II A2M2010P): - turns on when plugged in - displays no image.
The IIc monitor (model G091S): - turned on when plugged in - displayed the IIe image I was happy and then... pschitt! Smoke came out from the monitor. I turned it off and I have to admit I do not really want to turn it on again.
What can I do? I mean I am not an engineer, can change a fuse and that is all. I may sell it on eBay for pieces. Bringing them to a TV repair may cost more money than the monitor, I do not know if that is worth the try unless some of you already encountered such issues and may explain how to fix them.
> Dear All, > From previous auctions, I have bought a IIe and a IIc monitor (with > its stand) and both do not display any image and I need your advice > about the problems and a potential repair (remember I am in Paris, > France and I do not want to send my monitor to the USA ;-) if that is > worth it.
> All tests have been performed with my IIe computer, validating the > display output with a third and working Zenith monitor, I can say the > IIe outputs video normally.
> The IIe monitor (model Monitor II A2M2010P): > - turns on when plugged in > - displays no image.
> The IIc monitor (model G091S): > - turned on when plugged in > - displayed the IIe image > I was happy and then... pschitt! Smoke came out from the monitor. I > turned it off and I have to admit I do not really want to turn it on > again.
> What can I do? I mean I am not an engineer, can change a fuse and > that is all. I may sell it on eBay for pieces. Bringing them to a TV > repair may cost more money than the monitor, I do not know if that is > worth the try unless some of you already encountered such issues and > may explain how to fix them.
> I thank you in advance,
> antoine
Hi, If you have any TV repair shops they should be able to fix them. But that can cost. Any schools in your area that teach electronics might be able to fix them. You would have to talk to the teachers directly which can be hard to do but a lot cheaper. In order for you to fix it your self you will have to give the group something to work with. That is what it is doing, sounds and all. You might have to use a volt meter to read certain check points, Be able to drain caps so you do not get shocked when replacing something.
Geo3 wrote: > On Nov 4, 3:53 am, Toinet <antoine.vig...@laposte.net> wrote: >> Dear All, >> From previous auctions, I have bought a IIe and a IIc monitor (with >> its stand) and both do not display any image and I need your advice >> about the problems and a potential repair (remember I am in Paris, >> France and I do not want to send my monitor to the USA ;-) if that is >> worth it.
>> All tests have been performed with my IIe computer, validating the >> display output with a third and working Zenith monitor, I can say the >> IIe outputs video normally.
>> The IIe monitor (model Monitor II A2M2010P): >> - turns on when plugged in >> - displays no image.
>> The IIc monitor (model G091S): >> - turned on when plugged in >> - displayed the IIe image >> I was happy and then... pschitt! Smoke came out from the monitor. I >> turned it off and I have to admit I do not really want to turn it on >> again.
>> What can I do? I mean I am not an engineer, can change a fuse and >> that is all. I may sell it on eBay for pieces. Bringing them to a TV >> repair may cost more money than the monitor, I do not know if that is >> worth the try unless some of you already encountered such issues and >> may explain how to fix them.
>> I thank you in advance,
>> antoine
> Hi, > If you have any TV repair shops they should be able to fix them. But > that can cost. Any schools in your area that teach electronics might > be able to fix them. You would have to talk to the teachers directly > which can be hard to do but a lot cheaper. > In order for you to fix it your self you will have to give the group > something to work with. That is what it is doing, sounds and all. You > might have to use a volt meter to read certain check points, Be able > to drain caps so you do not get shocked when replacing something.
> Take Care, > George
I would second the first alternative. A lot of the TV repair shops would have the parts needed to fix them. Even if you could do it yourself you would have to consider the time, effort, and frustration going into getting them running again. It's better to turn it over to the shop and let them deal with it. Besides if any of them are beyond hope, the shop is better equipped for recycling than most people are.
Wizard Of Oz wrote: > Geo3 wrote: >> On Nov 4, 3:53 am, Toinet <antoine.vig...@laposte.net> wrote: >>> Dear All, >>> From previous auctions, I have bought a IIe and a IIc monitor (with >>> its stand) and both do not display any image and I need your advice >>> about the problems and a potential repair (remember I am in Paris, >>> France and I do not want to send my monitor to the USA ;-) if that is >>> worth it.
>>> All tests have been performed with my IIe computer, validating the >>> display output with a third and working Zenith monitor, I can say the >>> IIe outputs video normally.
>>> The IIe monitor (model Monitor II A2M2010P): >>> - turns on when plugged in >>> - displays no image.
>>> The IIc monitor (model G091S): >>> - turned on when plugged in >>> - displayed the IIe image >>> I was happy and then... pschitt! Smoke came out from the monitor. I >>> turned it off and I have to admit I do not really want to turn it on >>> again.
>>> What can I do? I mean I am not an engineer, can change a fuse and >>> that is all. I may sell it on eBay for pieces. Bringing them to a TV >>> repair may cost more money than the monitor, I do not know if that is >>> worth the try unless some of you already encountered such issues and >>> may explain how to fix them.
>>> I thank you in advance,
>>> antoine
>> Hi, >> If you have any TV repair shops they should be able to fix them. But >> that can cost. Any schools in your area that teach electronics might >> be able to fix them. You would have to talk to the teachers directly >> which can be hard to do but a lot cheaper. >> In order for you to fix it your self you will have to give the group >> something to work with. That is what it is doing, sounds and all. You >> might have to use a volt meter to read certain check points, Be able >> to drain caps so you do not get shocked when replacing something.
>> Take Care, >> George
> I would second the first alternative. A lot of the TV repair shops > would have the parts needed to fix them. Even if you could do it > yourself you would have to consider the time, effort, and frustration > going into getting them running again. It's better to turn it over to > the shop and let them deal with it. Besides if any of them are beyond > hope, the shop is better equipped for recycling than most people are.
Unless the CRT or some proprietary part is dead, they can almost certainly be fixed for a very small hardware cost. Labor cost is the determining factor, which is why you will need to either do it yourself (acquiring whatever education is required) or find someone with the experience and motivation to fix them without charging (much) for labor.
> Dear All, > From previous auctions, I have bought a IIe and a IIc monitor (with > its stand) and both do not display any image and I need your advice > about the problems and a potential repair (remember I am in Paris, > France and I do not want to send my monitor to the USA ;-) if that is > worth it.
> All tests have been performed with my IIe computer, validating the > display output with a third and working Zenith monitor, I can say the > IIe outputs video normally.
> The IIe monitor (model Monitor II A2M2010P): > - turns on when plugged in > - displays no image.
> The IIc monitor (model G091S): > - turned on when plugged in > - displayed the IIe image > I was happy and then... pschitt! Smoke came out from the monitor. I > turned it off and I have to admit I do not really want to turn it on > again.
> What can I do? I mean I am not an engineer, can change a fuse and > that is all. I may sell it on eBay for pieces. Bringing them to a TV > repair may cost more money than the monitor, I do not know if that is > worth the try unless some of you already encountered such issues and > may explain how to fix them.
> I thank you in advance,
> antoine
Antoine,
Not enough to go on with the first monitor (the //e one), but the //c monitor sounds like a capacitor has blown in the monitors power supply - probably one of the mains filter capacitors. This requires replacement of the blown capacitors - meaning de-soldering the blown capacitor(s) and replacing them with new ones. Whilst the procedure is fairly straight forward for someone with some soldering skills (I've fixed a few monitors of late), I wouldn't recommend it if you are uncomfortable - it can be dangerous in this area, as there are some pretty high voltages being stored in those capacitors, and they need to be fully discharged before you can replace them. Usually, leaving the monitor turned off and unplugged for a few hours will do the trick, but I have heard of capacitors holding their charge for much longer than this. So, if you are uncomfortable, seek help from someone with the know-how as others have suggested.
I thank each of you for your answers and don't worry, I will not learn by doing with the HV inside the monitors. The last time I used a soldering iron was 20 years ago, I will let specialists show their skills, I do not have enough time to invest in that task (I don't even know what a capacitor is, you know), maybe when I am 70 yo.
I like the school idea. I will connect to pagesjaunes.fr (yellow pages) tomorrow...
> It seems easy to remove the "stuff" and replace it once identified and > bought ;-)
Those capacitors are readily available--just be sure to get an X2-rated capacitor, since it is connected directly across the AC line.
The purpose is to reduce supply-generated RFI and to protect the supply from fast transients on the line. If you have clean power, you can operate the supply without it.
When it shorted, then "popped", it probably blew the fuse, though they occasionally fail in a way that leaves the fuse intact. In the latter case, the device will continue to operate (but the capacitor residue will smell very bad until it's cleaned out and aired out).
On 6 nov, 20:29, "Michael J. Mahon" <mjma...@aol.com> wrote:
> Those capacitors are readily available--just be sure to get an X2-rated > capacitor, since it is connected directly across the AC line.
That confirms what I have understood from my previous reading.
> The purpose is to reduce supply-generated RFI and to protect the supply > from fast transients on the line. If you have clean power, you can > operate the supply without it.
> When it shorted, then "popped", it probably blew the fuse, though they > occasionally fail in a way that leaves the fuse intact. In the latter
fuse is: 500 mA, 250 V.
> occasionally fail in a way that leaves the fuse intact. In the latter > case, the device will continue to operate (but the capacitor residue > will smell very bad until it's cleaned out and aired out).
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