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Joe  
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From: Joe <j...@nospam.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:58:05 +0000
Local: Fri, Oct 23 2009 9:58 am
Subject: Re: Rarest Card
In July, 1993, I wrote a long article about the Apple Expo West trade show
that was held for Apple II enthusiasts at Brooks Hall in San Francisco in
April, 1993. It was at that show where the TurboRez had it's only public
appearance.

It took a while to find this article, and perhaps there was a follow up,
but that's for tomorrow or another day...

 >RezTek was displaying a most remarkable Apple IIGS hardware
 >product that many had heard rumors of, but virtually no one
 >had ever seen before. Under development for several years by
 >Bill St Pierre, RezTek's legendary TurboRez GS is a IIGS
 >video enhancer that adds three new super hi resolution video
 >modes to a IIGS, giving it stunning new graphic capabilities.
 >The TurboRez provides the IIGS with the ability to display
 >graphics with 256 colors per scanline at any one time, out of
 >a total palette range of 1/4 million colors. The demos that
 >were running on the TurboRez were simply astonishing, and the
 >prototypes of the software that will be provided with the
 >TurboRez were astounding. Projected to cost $300, the
 >TurboRez will breath new life into the IIGS, and open up new
 >vistas for computer using artists and programmers.
 >Unfortunately, the TurboRez has been under development for
 >nearly 4 years, and is not quite ready yet. If and when it is
 >available for sale, it's going to generate quite a lot of
 >excitement. Come to think about it, it already generated a
 >lot of excitement at Apple Expo West!

Joe Kohn


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 More options Oct 23, 10:03 am
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From: Joe <j...@nospam.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:03:27 +0000
Local: Fri, Oct 23 2009 10:03 am
Subject: Re: Rarest Card

Toinet <antoine.vig...@laposte.net> wrote:
> Has William ever explained why he cancelled the card? As I wrote
> earlier, I remember he said that was because of the Second Sight and
> that the market could not handle two cards, is that correct?

Back in the early 1990s, I got a lot of phone calls from all sorts of
people, asking me to take their Apple II hardware off their hands, and in
some cases, it was companies like Vitesse, begging me to take all their
Apple II stuff, or their wives were going to leave them.

In Bill St Pierre's case, I think it was a matter of it taking 5 years to
develop this hardware, 5 years in which he could have been making money to
feed his family, but he wasn't as all his free time went into the
TurboRez. But again, my memory is not as good as it once was.

> Joe, you remember my postal address ;-)

No, I don't.

Joe Kohn


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 More options Oct 23, 10:07 am
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:07:14 +0000
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Subject: Re: Rarest Card

A2Aviator <a2avia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The DSP stuff .. We're all pretty convinced that was about as real
> as .. well.. VAMPS. ;-)

LOL

Thanks for the laugh.

Joe


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 More options Oct 23, 11:19 am
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From: "Michael J. Mahon" <mjma...@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:19:26 -0700
Local: Fri, Oct 23 2009 11:19 am
Subject: Re: Rarest Card

rich12345 wrote:
> Covox voice master ( I know of about 5 of them)

There were lots of these sold...cheap and not very
effective.

> H2000 speech recognition (I know of 3)

+1 for me.  ;-)
Couldn't afford it back when they were sold...

-michael

NadaNet and AppleCrate II: parallel computing for Apple II computers!
Home page: http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon

"The wastebasket is our most important design
tool--and it's seriously underused."


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 More options Oct 23, 12:32 pm
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:32:36 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Rarest Card
There's a couple Covax here, and an H2000 in the box.

I think I found a second Saybrook card, while looking for it. found a
box that said "Corvus Concept OEM pkg" on it. Inside, a bunch of
Corvus stuff, a Saybrook and a Big Blue RAM card. A RAM card crammed
full of 4164s.

How about a MicroKey video interlace system. 1982 era:
http://17500mph.com/photos?g2_itemId=292&g2_page=3

What was I saying about video cards? ;-)


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 More options Oct 23, 1:32 pm
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:32:56 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Oct 23 2009 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: Rarest Card
Turns out there's a crappy picture of the H2000 on my site.

So.. I know the thing is here somewhere.


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 More options Oct 23, 5:45 pm
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:45:22 -0500
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Subject: Re: Rarest Card
ask him what kinda HD floppies were used in that beast they had random holes
in them if i remember correctly they were 5 1/4"

be nice to trip over replacements there were ibm hd something or others

brad
former sysop lost-gonzo.com

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 More options Oct 23, 7:12 pm
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:12:37 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Rarest Card
While searching for H2000 : http://appleiifs.tripod.com/Interfacecards.htm

antoine


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 More options Oct 23, 11:36 pm
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:36:10 -0500
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Subject: Re: Rarest Card
  To: Toinet
  Re: Re: Rarest Card
  By: Toinet to comp.sys.apple2 on Fri Oct 23 2009 02:12 am

 > While searching for H2000 : http://appleiifs.tripod.com/Interfacecards.htm

Heh, I have one of those... and I didn't know what it was.

<shrug> Well, it's lost in the collection somewhere, unless I gave it to
someone like Tony years ago.

Sean Fahey
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 More options Oct 24, 2:40 am
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:40:01 +0000
Local: Sat, Oct 24 2009 2:40 am
Subject: Re: Rarest Card
As promised, I went back through Shareware Solutions II, thanks to ProSel
16's "Locate String" function, and found a later reference to the
TurboRez, this one being from November, 1994.

As before, I know there's at least another mention or two in the SSII
newsletter, and I'll hunt those up too...

Joe Kohn

============================================================
   News from RezTek:  The TurboRez project still alive !
============================================================
 November 8, 1994

It would be an understatement to say it's been awhile since there's been
news from us about the status of the "fabled" TurboRez product. As some of
you may know, since the previewing of a prototype at the last two Apple
Expo's, we elected to do an entirely new design based on the use of custom
gate array technology. Even though underestimating project completion time
seems to be a tradition with computer hardware/software development, let's
just say that even we've been amazed at the degree of difficulty involved
here. This project has had an appetite for resources (like TIME) that has
to be experienced to be appreciated.

The current status is that, after more than a year of design and
simulation of the virtual chips, we've got actual hardware up and running.
This happened just in the last 5-6 weeks and the debugging process is
proceeding steadily. So far, the video is looking good and the circuits
seem stable.

Our apologies for not being online with some news sooner. With the
pre-announcement situations we've created in the past, it seemed prudent
to wait until there was new hardware actually in operation before making
any public statement. Normally though, given the incomplete state of the
project at this point, we probably would have waited awhile longer. The
announcement of the Second Sight card (by Sequential Systems) has altered
the marketplace however, hence some earlier information from us.

On this note, we'll briefly discuss the two products. Operation in a GS
with the stock RGB monitor reveals similarities such as 256-color pixels,
in both 320 and 640 resolution and 400-line interlaced modes. The TurboRez
card has a Display List CoProcessor and a high-speed blitter, while Second
Sight has a microprocessor that does blitter emulation. Now, what about
the particular strengths of the two cards?

Comparing The Two

The Second Sight card's strongest suite is when it's coupled to an
external SVGA monitor. Here it offers some pretty high resolution, up to
1076 by 768 pixels. Of course, to effectively take advantage of this,
you'll really need a 17 or 19 inch monitor to avoid eyestrain (Price a
monitor this size next time you're at a computer store). Second Sight does
not offer overscanning.

The TurboRez card will accept an adaptor that allows attaching a VGA
monitor and sending out a 640 by 480 image, so it appears we come in
second in the resolution department. TurboRez is capable of doing
overscan, however (vertical and horizontal, together or separately).

Pictures That Move

Where TurboRez does shine is in the area of multimedia animation. It's
nice to be able to show pictures on the GS that have enhanced color and
resolution, but what about bringing them to life? In other words, making
them move and flow. Well, the TurboRez card enhances animation on the GS
with a host of features. First, of course, the high-speed  Blitter for
drawing shapes and objects to the display very quickly. Add to that its
Multi-Plane Overlay capability and Line Drawing (w/Scaling). Let's talk
about those last two.

Multi-Plane Overlay Technology

The Multi-Plane hardware on the TurboRez card is similar in concept to the
multi-plane techniques used by commercial film animators. Basically, it
means having the various elements of the picture, both moving and still,
on separate "layers". In TurboRez, this means that moving shapes can be
placed in separate image layers (or planes) and pass over or under each
other (or in front of or behind foreground/background objects) without
"interfering" with the other picture elements. In a single-plane video
card (like Second Sight), an animated scene consisting of stacked shapes
and objects is very slow and messy to update fast enough to present a
smoothly flowing image. To alter a shape in the "middle", means not only
erasing and redrawing that particular shape, but also anything that
appears above or below it onscreen. To change that one shape requires
massive amounts of erasing and redrawing even though the neighboring
shapes and objects are not due to change yet. All of this activity
translates to SLOW screen updating.

TurboRez, with hardware Multi-Plane technology, doesn't suffer from these
limitations. With separate image planes, the update process is confined to
just those shapes and objects that need it at the time. This means no
wasted time redrawing things that don't need it! The result: Efficient
and FAST animation on your GS (even without a Zip accelerator).

Texture Mapping via Line Drawing w/Scaling

The other major animation enhancer is the Line Drawing w/Scaling hardware.
Here we take a common operation like plotting a line of pixels and couple
it with Scaling logic. Scaling allows magnifying or shrinking a bitmapped
shape or object as it's being drawn. The scaling operation can be done by
the plotting software but that approach is never as fast doing it thru
hardware. By using Scaling along with Line Drawing, it's easy to not only
alter the drawn size of a source shape but to rotate it as well.
Similarly, a drawing technique known as Texture Mapping is enhanced using
the TurboRez hardware.

Texture Mapping lets us manipulate a source texture map, which is a
rectangular, bitmapped image of something, say a picture of woodgrain or
red brick siding or whatever. The effect is that it's being stretched
across the face of some 3D object that's in the onscreen image. The
woodgrain might be applied to the floor of the scene and the bricks to a
fireplace. Where before there might have been a collection of 3D objects
with solid-color shaded faces, we would now have objects with realistic
textures "pasted" onto them.

To get a good idea of how effective this technique is, find somebody with
a 486 PC (50 or 66 mhz) that has the popular program "Doom" and have them
run it for you. Now, we at RezTek aren't advocating that all games should
imitate the shoot-em up premise of Doom, but our purpose here is to
examine the implementation of a realtime, 3D texture mapped universe in
which the user can move about freely and interact with. The effect is
quite impressive and realistic. Now imagine something similar running on
your GS, running at fullscreen size and animating smoothly. How's that
going to happen? Only with a TurboRez GS card, using its hardware enhanced
Line Drawing w/Scaling.

While we're talking about features, we'll also mention that page-flipping
is no problem and there's also support for the GS's NTSC video port and
planned GenLocking support (for instance; the Apple VOC card).

What, Where, When

OK, by now the questions are when and how much. Well, we've still got
quite a bit of work to do to get this ready for production, so don't worry
about ordering a TurboRez card just yet. There will be more news posted at
the first of the new year (here, on Genie for sure, and possibly in one or
more publications). At that time we should have a better handle on release
time and pricing, etc.

Please understand that we're a dedicated but small company (i.e.
understaffed and overworked) and that we'll be needing to apply all of our
energy to completing the TurboRez product. Therefore, for the near future,
answering the phone will probably have to take a backseat to the
production effort. If we're slow in replying to EMail and stuff, just take
comfort in the thought that it was time diverted to a good cause. Also,
thanks in advance to folks volunteering for beta test duty but we're doing
just fine in that regard presently.

Thanks for your interest in this product. And stay tuned for more news
about TurboRez GS, the video card that'll bring powerful and dynamic
animation to your IIGS! (..and the company bringing it to you, RezTek, of
course.)


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Toinet  
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 More options Oct 24, 3:48 am
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From: Toinet <antoine.vig...@laposte.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:48:12 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Oct 24 2009 3:48 am
Subject: Re: Rarest Card
On 23 oct, 18:40, Joe <j...@nospam.com> wrote:

> As promised, I went back through Shareware Solutions II, thanks to ProSel
> 16's "Locate String" function, and found a later reference to the
> TurboRez, this one being from November, 1994.

> As before, I know there's at least another mention or two in the SSII
> newsletter, and I'll hunt those up too...

> Joe Kohn

Ouch, Joe, that hurts! I forgot about these features, thank you for
refreshing our memories. That card would have been perfect for the //
gs, probably not in 1990/1991/1992/1993/1994/1995... but before.

Anyone thinks the same features can be achieved with the Carte
Blanche?

antoine


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 More options Oct 24, 5:13 am
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:13:47 -0500
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Subject: Re: Rarest Card
  To: Toinet
  Re: Re: Rarest Card
  By: Toinet to comp.sys.apple2 on Thu Oct 22 2009 01:39 pm

 > Jamie, Sean and Tony,
 > When will you take photographs of all of your items and share them
 > with us? I mean with a 10-zillion pixel res. ;-)

My collection isn't worth getting too excited over. It's certainly not on par
with Tony's.

Sean Fahey
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Joe  
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 More options Oct 24, 6:44 am
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From: Joe <j...@nospam.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:44:11 +0000
Local: Sat, Oct 24 2009 6:44 am
Subject: Re: Rarest Card
Going through all the rest of the issues of Shareware Solutions II, I
found only one more reference to the TurboRez. It was a one sentence
mention that at the 1997 KansasFest, Tony Diaz did a demo of his TurboRez.

Apparently, Bill St Pierre showed it at 2 trade shows, Tony demoed it at
Kfest, and then it was all over.

But, all these years later, it was a kick re-reading about what turned out
to be a fabled vaporware product.

BTW, I looked through all my IIGS computers today, and I don't have a
TurboRez Card. I guess Tony's is it, all that exists.

Joe Kohn


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 More options Oct 24, 7:19 am
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:19:36 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Oct 24 2009 7:19 am
Subject: Re: Rarest Card
On Oct 23, 2:13 pm, "sfahey" <sfa...@a2central.com.remove-o7q-this>
wrote:

>   To: Toinet
>   Re: Re: Rarest Card
>   By: Toinet to comp.sys.apple2 on Thu Oct 22 2009 01:39 pm

>  > Jamie, Sean and Tony,
>  > When will you take photographs of all of your items and share them
>  > with us? I mean with a 10-zillion pixel res. ;-)

> My collection isn't worth getting too excited over. It's certainly not on par
> with Tony's.

> Sean Faheywww.a2central.com
> bbs.a2central.com

I have a SwyftCard in new condition in the box with manual, etc.  How
rare is this card?  Does anyone know how many where produced?  It's
probably not too rare but I am curious.

Tony's collection it very impressive.  Tony, ever thought about a
Paypal donate link on your site for donations toward a digital camera
and/or setup to take high res photos of cards?  I realize everyone's
time is limited.  But, thought I would ask.

A site with Apple II cards and how rare the Apple II community views
them would be cool.  Especially, when you view ebay auctions and
people say Apple II 80-column cards are rare.  It would give people a
site for additional information.

Rick


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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:53:46 -0500
Local: Sat, Oct 24 2009 7:53 am
Subject: Re: Rarest Card
  To: rhohler
  Re: Re: Rarest Card
  By: rhohler to comp.sys.apple2 on Fri Oct 23 2009 02:19 pm

 > I have a SwyftCard in new condition in the box with manual, etc.  How
 > rare is this card?  Does anyone know how many where produced?  It's
 > probably not too rare but I am curious.

Thousands of thousands. It wasn't that popular of a card. I'd say it's
definately an uncommon card.

I used to want one but not anymore.

Sean Fahey
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Jeff Blakeney  
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:16:49 -0400
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Subject: Re: Rarest Card
  To: Joe

Joe wrote:
> In July, 1993, I wrote a long article about the Apple Expo West trade show
> that was held for Apple II enthusiasts at Brooks Hall in San Francisco in
> April, 1993. It was at that show where the TurboRez had it's only public
> appearance.

The Apple II Review VHS video tape that was put out by Quality Computers
has a section at Apple Expo West and there is a short interview with
Bill with the TurboRez running in the background.  I have that video and
I believe someone was checking to see if we could get permission to
digitize and distribute this and other material but I haven't heard
anything yet.  I will hopefully be picking up a large hard drive on
Sunday so maybe I'll capture the video sometime next week.

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:34:19 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Rarest Card
Is there a FM radio card for the Apple II ? I have always wanted one,
using softswitches to set the wished frequency.

antoine


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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:06:46 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: Re: Rarest Card

Toinet wrote:
> > Is there a FM radio card for the Apple II ? I have always wanted one,
> using softswitches to set the wished frequency.

> antoine

The FCC wouldn't allow it. Too much R/F interference. ;-)

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:07:54 -0500
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Subject: Re: Rarest Card
  To: Jeff Blakeney
  Re: Re: Rarest Card
  By: Jeff Blakeney to Joe on Sat Oct 24 2009 02:16 am

 > I believe someone was checking to see if we could get permission to
 > digitize and distribute this and other material but I haven't heard
 > anything yet.  I will hopefully be picking up a large hard drive on

We have permission.

Sean Fahey
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Jeff Blakeney  
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 More options Oct 27, 5:36 am
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From: "Jeff Blakeney" <jeff.blake...@a2central.com.remove-4ul-this>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:36:34 -0400
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 5:36 am
Subject: Re: Rarest Card
  To: sfahey

sfahey wrote:
>   Re: Re: Rarest Card
>   By: Jeff Blakeney to Joe on Sat Oct 24 2009 02:16 am

>  > I believe someone was checking to see if we could get permission to
>  > digitize and distribute this and other material but I haven't heard
>  > anything yet.  I will hopefully be picking up a large hard drive on

> We have permission.

Cool!  I picked up a 1 TB drive yesterday so I'll should be able to
capture the entire video this week.  Any preference for codec?  I'm
thinking Divx at the moment.  If I get really inspired, I could even do
it up as a DVD with chapters.  Then we just need to figure out how to
distribute it as it will probably still be over 300 MB even as a Divx
file.  I don't have web server space that large so we could possibly use
BitTorrent.

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sfahey  
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 More options Oct 27, 5:45 am
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From: "sfahey" <sfa...@a2central.com.remove-oi8-this>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:45:49 -0500
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 5:45 am
Subject: Re: Rarest Card
  To: Jeff Blakeney
  Re: Re: Rarest Card
  By: Jeff Blakeney to sfahey on Mon Oct 26 2009 02:36 pm

 > file.  I don't have web server space that large so we could possibly use
 > BitTorrent.

I've offered to host it, and once it's in the wild, I'm sure it will be in many
places. Before you encode it, you might check with the OP and see if they are
stilling planning to do it and save the duplicated effort.

Sean Fahey
www.a2central.com
bbs.a2central.com


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Garberstreet Electronics  
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 More options Oct 27, 6:15 am
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From: "Garberstreet Electronics" <willy4...@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:15:20 -0400
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 6:15 am
Subject: Re: Rarest Card

"Jeff Blakeney" <jeff.blake...@a2central.com.remove-4ul-this> wrote
in message news:4AE5E742.13866.usenet_csa2@a2central.com...

Garberstreet.com has more than 200,000MB of space available.  

Bill Garber of Garberstreet Electronics
http://www.garberstreet.com


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schmidtd  
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 More options Oct 27, 7:57 am
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From: schmidtd <schmi...@my-deja.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:57:35 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Oct 27 2009 7:57 am
Subject: Re: Rarest Card
On Oct 26, 3:15 pm, "Garberstreet Electronics" <willy4...@comcast.net>
wrote:

And then there's the gmail acocunt...

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Jeff Blakeney  
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 More options Oct 29, 5:28 am
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From: "Jeff Blakeney" <jeff.blake...@a2central.com.remove-h84-this>
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:28:08 -0400
Local: Thurs, Oct 29 2009 5:28 am
Subject: Re: Rarest Card
  To: sfahey

sfahey wrote:
>   Re: Re: Rarest Card
>   By: Jeff Blakeney to sfahey on Mon Oct 26 2009 02:36 pm

>  > file.  I don't have web server space that large so we could possibly use
>  > BitTorrent.

> I've offered to host it, and once it's in the wild, I'm sure it will be in many
> places. Before you encode it, you might check with the OP and see if they are
> stilling planning to do it and save the duplicated effort.

If I remember correctly, the original poster had a different video than
I do so I think we both need to work on this.

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AppleCPM  
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 More options Nov 15, 2:56 am
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From: AppleCPM <a...@wilserv.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:56:34 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Nov 15 2009 2:56 am
Subject: Re: Rarest Card
Hi, y'all!

    One of the rarest cards is the Microsoft SoftCard II.  Other CP/M
are also rare, like the ALS "The CP/M Card".

Willi


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