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Art Snyder  
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 More options Jun 26 1997, 5:00 pm
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From: asny...@p-e-c.com (Art Snyder)
Date: 1997/06/26
Subject: MO vs. Rewritable CD

        I had a few questions regarding mass storage using Magneto Optical and
Rewritable CD (CD-RW?).

What does PD stand for and how does it work?  I have been told that it is not
the same as CD-RW.

Who makes CD-RW drives and jukebox/towers?

What are the benefits and downfalls of CR-RW and MO drives for mass storage?

Are CR-RW disks actually readable in regualr CD-ROM drives?

Is any special software required to operate the devices?

Does anyone know of any reviews that have good information?

Any help would be appreciated.  Please send responses via e-mail also.
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*  Art
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Mike Iimura  
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 More options Jun 27 1997, 5:00 pm
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From: miim...@best.com (Mike Iimura)
Date: 1997/06/27
Subject: Re: MO vs. Rewritable CD

In article <5ouj8s$...@news0-alterdial.uu.net>, asny...@p-e-c.com (Art Snyder) wrote:
>        I had a few questions regarding mass storage using Magneto Optical and
>Rewritable CD (CD-RW?).

>What does PD stand for and how does it work?  I have been told that it is not
>the same as CD-RW.

PD stands for "Phase-change Disk".  The format was defined by Matsushita
(Panasonic) and they are the only manufacturer of the acutal drive.  Phase
change works by using a high power laser to change the state of the
material in the recording layer on the disc between a crystalline and
amorphous state.  The two states (phases) have different effective
reflectivity, so by shining a low power beam on it one can recover the
data.

CD-RW uses the same effect and the composition of the media itself is
substantially the same.  However, PD uses a cartridge and CD-RW doesn't.  
Also the physical and logical formats are different.  I am pretty sure that
PD uses cylindrical tracks, while CD-RW uses the spiral tracks inherited
from CD audio.

>Who makes CD-RW drives and jukebox/towers?

Ricoh makes the Model 6200 CD-RW drive.  Philips also makes a CD-RW drive -
I don't recall the model number.  I have also seen Mitsubishi branded CD-RW
drive, but I'm not sure it's really a different drive, or an OEM of Ricoh
or Philips.

>What are the benefits and downfalls of CR-RW and MO drives for mass storage?

I'm assuming you want to compare the two to each other, and not to other
things like purely magnetic storage.  Personally, I think CD-RW is really
cool in that it is a multi-function device.  You can burn CD-R's that can
truly be used in almost any CD player or CD-ROM drive and you can use it as
re-writable storage.  However, I have heard that the current firmware in
the Ricoh drive only allows you to use it like an erasable CD-R.  For
example, you cannot format it and put a filesystem on it and randomly erase
files.  This is supposed to change in the near future.
MO on the other hand, is very mature and is just like a giant floppy disk
that you can use just like any other magnetic storage.  If you want the
most robust removable storage available, buy a 3.5" MO drive or a 1.3GB
5.25" MO drive.  I have heard of people having trouble with 2.6GB and
greater drives.

>Are CR-RW disks actually readable in regualr CD-ROM drives?

They are only readable in regular CD-ROM drives that have "multi-read"
capability.  This is a new feature that only a few drives have at the
moment, but is easy to implement and does not really increase the cost of
the drive.  In the future, almost all new drives will have it.  The reason
for this feature is that the phase change media is only about 15%
reflective, while a regular CD or CD-R is about 70% reflective.  The drive
needs to be able to deal with the lower signal level - that's it.

>Is any special software required to operate the devices?

I don't have a CD-R drive yet, but as far as I know you have to use CD-R
specific software (which they usually come with) in order to use the drive.
 Adaptec has a new program (can't remember the name off the top of my head)
that allows you to write to the drive (and other CD-R drives that support
packet-writing) just like any other drive in Win95, but you can't erase
specific files, you have to wipe the whole disc.  This should be changing
in the near future, so if you're concerned about this talk to a vendor who
really knows what they're talking about and see if you can deal with the
true behavior, or wait for the new functionality.

Hope that helps,

- Mike Iimura
  miim...@best.com


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Tim Sesow  
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 More options Jun 27 1997, 5:00 pm
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From: Tim Sesow <t...@anthill.com>
Date: 1997/06/27
Subject: Re: MO vs. Rewritable CD

I can answer some: (caveat: I develop MO driver software
for UNIX workstations)

PD is NOT the same as CD-RW.  It is also not the same as MO.
The media is not interchangable, although I have seen at least
one PD drive that could handle reading (not writing) CD's.

Benefits of M0 - extremely stable media. Light, reasonable heat (< 200
degrees F) and magnetics don't harm it.  Good transfer rates now at
1.5MB/sec on
up (expect to write at about half the read rate).  CD-R is not
as stable a media.  I am unsure about the CD-RW media. Ricoh
claims a 30year life with 1000 writes.

CD-RW is much slower than MO (basically a 1x writer is 128kbytes/sec, a
 2x is 256kb/sec, etc.  If the writer is 1x and the media is 74 minutes
in length, then it takes 74 minutes to fill it.) The RICOH writes
at 300Kbytes/second (2x?).

Newer CD-ROM drives can read CD-RW media. Older CD-ROM drives cannot.
The CD-ROM drive must be Multi-Read capable.
The Ricoh web pages have more  detail (http://www.ricohdms.com)

Any CD writer requires special software for the High Sierra file system
format.  I believe all CD-RW and CD-Recordable drives in mass
market come with software, though.
MO drives require special software if you want to use 1024byte
sectored media (rather than 512 byte sectored media).  Also,
write verify is recommended since you cannot tell if the media
is defective on a write operation without it.  Write verify may
require special software on some operating systems.

--
Timothy Sesow
Automated Network Technologies
A Division of the QUALiX Group, Inc.
URL: http://anthill.com/~tim


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Tom Beach  
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From: dtb@news (Tom Beach)
Date: 1997/06/27
Subject: Re: MO vs. Rewritable CD

Art Snyder (asny...@p-e-c.com) wrote:

:'> '        I had a few questions regarding mass storage using Magneto Optical and
:'> 'Rewritable CD (CD-RW?).

Actually you're asking about 3 different devices, M-O, PD and CD-RW.

:'> 'What does PD stand for and how does it work?  I have been told that it is not
:'> 'the same as CD-RW.

It is technologically similar in that both PD and CD-RW use phase change
optical storage technology. They are physically and logically not
interchangable.

:'> 'Who makes CD-RW drives and jukebox/towers?

Today the only shipping product is from Ricoh. HP, Phillips, Sony,
Toshiba and others have announced product but they are not shipping
yet.

:'> 'What are the benefits and downfalls of CR-RW and MO drives for mass storage?

M-O devices are supported under Windows95, NT, MacOS, Unix et al as
generic removable disk drives as is PD. CD-RW writes either CD-R or
CD-RW media. CD-RW requires a new File system type.

:'> 'Are CR-RW disks actually readable in regualr CD-ROM drives?

CD-R disks written in CD-RW drives are readable in most any arbitrary
CD-ROM device. CD-RW requires both a modern CD-ROM *AND* software to
support the new file system type.

:'> 'Is any special software required to operate the devices?

Yes, drivers and support for the CD-RW file system.

:'> 'Does anyone know of any reviews that have good information?

There are some web pages. Try CD-RW in your favorite search engine....

:'> 'Any help would be appreciated.  Please send responses via e-mail also.

Tom


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