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Gavin O'Brien  
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 More options May 7, 11:09 pm
From: Gavin O'Brien <mrcenterpri...@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 23:09:49 +1000
Local: Wed, May 7 2008 11:09 pm
Subject: RE: [austpacwx] Re: Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh

Hi all,
I beg to differ,
I have been studying weather seriously for nearly 45 years and have good records for the Canberra Region for 25 years as well as access to other data  ..I have...I  hope a reasonably good memory. The evidence is pointing to Climate Change which is happening faster than the natural trends.Sure climate varability is natural, it's the rapid rate of change that woories me plus the increasing numbers of extreme weather events(even making allowance for the lack of reliable records much older than a few hundred years.Increased rates of melting of glaciers, the ice caps etc are a sure sign taht all is not well with Gia.
I think , for the sake of my kids who will be around long after I am gone, that it is imparative that we cut back our extaordinary use of the earth's resources so our kids don't inherit a "clapped out" planet.
Shortages of basic resources like oil, water and now even food are a warning sign that we can not continue to live the lifestyle in the "advanced world" that we are living .Heaven help us if China and India ever mange to teach our level of reource use.I simply do not believe in a "majic bullet" answer or in "denial" or "head in the sand" mentality
.We have to live within our means ...full stop! ( I am writing this as a scientist, not a moralist!)

Gavin
Ayr, Queensland

> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:46:55 -0700
> From: bost...@tasmail.com
> To: austpacwx@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [austpacwx] Re: Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh

> G'day Shane and All,

> I fully agree with Shane's opening statements - I think climate change is a natural part of life. Just looking at the daily weather patterns shows us that nothing is a 'given' - the weather is always changing, why wouldn't that happen on a larger scale over hundreds and even thousands of years? I feel "Global Warming" is a political issue not a real scientific one. How many times do we hear people saying it's never been this...'cold', 'wet', 'hot', 'windy' and so on when the real records show that it's nothing new, just rare. It seems to me that most 'uninformed' people, (who don't dig out the truth for themselves), think their little experience on this rock is all that counts, when in reality it's just their 'experience' in a certain, rather tiny, time frame - not sure if all that make sense? But I think politicians are using that short-sighted "fear" to push the, (in my opinion), false man-made warming message for an agenda, which may not be fully understood until too late. (?)

> Enjoy!

> Regards,

> Andrew

> On Monday, May 05, 2008 at 09:06:20 AM, austpacwx@googlegroups.com wrote:

> > To begin with, 'Global Warming' was and always will be a sham. The  

> > correct term is 'Global Climate Change', meaning the mean surface  

> > temperature of the planet is continually changing, and it will  

> > continue to change no matter what we do. Global Climate Change  

> > doesn't just take into account the warming of the planet, but also  

> > the cooling of the planet. In my opinion, an ice age, or an extensive  

> > period of colder than normal surface temperatures, is just around the  

> > corner.

> > The definition of an Ice Age is below:

> > "An ice age is a period of long-term reduction in the temperature of  

> > the Earth's surface and atmosphere, resulting in an expansion of  

> > continental ice sheets, polar ice sheets and alpine glaciers."

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vostok-ice-core-petit.png

> > The above image shows a global cycle in ice core Temperatures in  

> > Antarctica. Noting we are currently at a high, with previous years  

> > peaking then quickly dropping off. I believe we are at the peak, and  

> > will start to drop off soon.

> > Any constructive comments are welcome

> > Regards,

> > ShaneE

> > On 05/05/2008, at 6:11 AM, Chas Osborn wrote:

> > > Check the forum as well.

> > > Phil Chapman is a geophysicist and astronautical engineer who lives  

> > > in San Francisco. He was the first Australian to become a NASA  

> > > astronaut

> > > http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=7295&page=1

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