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RE: [austpacwx] November weather summary (or summery?) for Geelong

mawint...@gmail.com (Marcus) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:30:18 UT

Hi Micheal,

Sometimes I feel for the grain growers. I drove the road between Bulla and
Diggers rest yesterday, one I do regularly to have a sticky at Jacksons
creek. I Must say that particular plateau is all basalt rock, and for the
first time in as long as I can remember, the wheat was tall tick and itching

RE: [austpacwx] Surprise rainfall

mrcenterpri...@hotmail.com (Gavin O'Brien) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:42:15 UT

Hi Clyve,
We had a few mm from that convective cloud in Canberra this afternoon but it has now cleared with a chilly Sou-easter blowing.
Gavin,
Gilmore ACT

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Re: [austpacwx] November weather summary (or summery?) for Geelong

g...@pipeline.com.au (Lindsay Smail) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:31:20 UT

Hi Michael & thanks for the message. Re your 2 questions: the local farmers are a bit worried that harvest and hay may have been set back a few weeks and that grubs may thrive; and the big water question (down here anyway):
Barwon Water are currently pumping about 50% of our needs from aquifers in the Anglesea-Otways areas. They have recently released this statement:

Re: [austpacwx] November weather summary (or summery?) for Geelong

mski...@yahoo.com.au (Michael King) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:08:02 UT

Thanks Lindsay very interesting. In Canberra things were dry in November and we've had record heat. Duffy's rainfall was lower than nearly all of Canberra with 11mm, pushing me just over 400 mm for the year. Still it was good to see Victoria scoring with heavy rain over the past two weeks. I wonder though what have been the ramifications for the grain crops. Just a question Lindsay in relation to your reservoir levels, will Geelong be linked in with supplies from the Melbourne desalination plant, when it comes on stream (no pun intended)? Regards Michael

RE: [austpacwx] talk SOI to me.. LOL [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

mawint...@gmail.com (Marcus) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:25:14 UT

Thank you all, repetition is the key to retaining in adult learning. So
I'll ask you again, and again and again. then it all might drop.

Clyve its interesting, I'd suggest one of those little abbreviations would
be at a lovely level, your 150mm and wait for it. My 120mm J

I'm in old Melbourne water country, so it's somewhat of a spectical to see

November weather summary (or summery?) for Geelong

g...@pipeline.com.au (Lindsay Smail) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 06:18:08 UT

November, 2009

RAINFALL
Geelong received well above average rainfall with 75-130 mm falling across the urban area and 90.4 at Geelong Airport. (November average is 51 mm.) Totals varied from 75 mm at Lara to 130 mm at Hamlyn Heights. It has been the wettest month of the year. The western Otways were generally below average because much of the rain originated from systems moving from the north and northwest, but the eastern Otways including the main catchments (eg, West Barwon dam 118 mm) received above average falls. Spring rainfall totals for urban Geelong were around 187 mm. (The average is 151 mm).

Re: [austpacwx] Surprise rainfall

mes...@iprimus.com.au (Clyve Herbert) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:47:13 UT

Hi Bussy.
Noticed scrappy convection earlier and now streamers of showers and storms all heading northwest, there a mid and upper cold pool over the Rivirina and northeast Vic...showers and storms convecting over the plains of NE Vic ...lucky bugger !...regards Clyve H
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Nows the time

rbusc...@bigpond.net.au (Bussy) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:07:19 UT

Now's the time to buy some weather stuff from the Americans. I've always loved my little strike alert (lightning detector) and not long ago broke it. The cheapest I could see was roughly around the $240 mark (plus postage) here in Australia.

I noticed the Dollar was pretty well up there with the American one so had a look and would you believe this? $64.00 plus $20.00 delivery. Took 10 days to get here. $84.00 Aussie dollars and that's it. 1/3rd of the price.

Surprise rainfall

rbusc...@bigpond.net.au (Bussy) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:58:00 UT

We've had a few close strikes here since about 11.45am with very steady rainfall. I've had 2mm so far which has really surprised me.

I thought it was pretty well all gone for now. The sky was clearing this morning and then this just crept up on us :-)

The farmer who's kids I pick up will reckon I'm a dill (bigger than usual) coz when he asked I said that I reckon its all gone. Whoops...... Grin.

Re: [austpacwx] talk SOI to me.. LOL [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

mes...@iprimus.com.au (Clyve Herbert) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:33:33 UT

Hi ..all. The major problem with this years 'El Nino' was how the media ran with doom and gloom, from the start the pattern and data was different from past 'El Nino' types. Apart from a negative spike in October most of the winter and early spring was neutral. Anyway I'm happy with the 150mm that has fallen here in Trentham over the past 10 days and so far that's the wettest November for more than 10 years, the countryside looks brilliant all the creeks and rivers are running ...regards Clyve H

RE: [austpacwx] talk SOI to me.. LOL [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

b.tre...@bom.gov.au (Blair Trewin) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:05:05 UT

Different El Nino events do affect different regions. Victoria has been particularly severely affected by the last three events (1997, 2002 and 2006) but this isn't always the case - for example, the 1991 event had a major impact on Queensland and northern NSW but was quite a wet year in Victoria. (In 1997 it was Queensland which emerged more or less unscathed).

RE: [austpacwx] talk SOI to me.. LOL

kka...@hotmail.com (Ken Kato) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:01:30 UT

El Nino's effects vary with location, time of year and other influences from the SAM, IOD, etc so not all areas of Australia will necessarily be hot and dry. El Nino's are also referenced to central/eastern Pacific sea surface temps so the actual atmospheric effects including rainfall patterns can vary between each event. El Nino's effects also generally start waning in many areas after spring.

RE: [austpacwx] Mt Gambier Storms [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

b.tre...@bom.gov.au (Blair Trewin) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:32:49 UT

I don't know about Rutherglen specifically, but a lot of post offices stopped doing observations around the time when they changed from being official post offices to licensed post offices (the latter, as I understand it, being private businesses with a contract to handle Australia Post matters).

Re: [austpacwx] talk SOI to me.. LOL

sha...@gstormc.com (Shane Ekerbicer) — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:44:51 UT

I am interested in the 100mm event in 1967. Looking at the rainfall
data from Arundel, 1967 was actually the driest year on record for the
station with only 309mm recorded for the entire year. Since 1967,
Arundel recorded over 100mm in a month on 24 occasions before the
station closed in 1998, with the latest one being October 1995.

Re: [austpacwx] talk SOI to me.. LOL

r81n-...@bigpond.net.au (Keith Barnett) — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:51:36 UT

No, it's a case of 'welcome to the mid-20th century'.

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talk SOI to me.. LOL

mawint...@gmail.com (Dry Spot) — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:03:53 UT

Hi All,

Well while its too cold and ceratinly too wet to check the guage, I
reckon for the first time since 1967, Keilors cracked a hundy!!

The rare glistening salt bush have grown a foot this month, and a
reckon will be quite a site in the morning with the amount of rain.
Been that funny drizzle for a while, and is pelting down atm.

RE: [austpacwx] Finally [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

mawint...@gmail.com (Marcus) — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:18:58 UT

Thanks phil.

Here's the aftermath of a compact little cell that moved over Sydenham today
and then headed somewhere near the airport

The creek was rising when I took this photo this afternoon.

Sent: Sunday, 29 November 2009 1:32 PM
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Cu = Cumulus, Cb = Cumulonimbus Both are cloud types.

Re: [austpacwx] Finally [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

phil.drd...@gmail.com (Phil Smith) — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:31:43 UT

Cu = Cumulus, Cb = Cumulonimbus Both are cloud types.
Cumulus is the usually-white fair weather cloud usually flat o the bottom
with big rounded "whipped- cream" swellings on the upper side. When it
starts "boiling away" you know there is a good chance of a thunderstorm
forming. When it forms into a big grey cumulonimbus then you can at least

RE: [austpacwx] Finally [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

mawint...@gmail.com (Marcus) — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:26:03 UT

Hi david,

For us lay people, can you explain Cu/Cb?

Thanks

marcus

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After a slow slow start has turned into a good month for much of Victoria
and SA
([link]

Re: [austpacwx] Finally

rbusc...@bigpond.net.au (Bussy) — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:44:54 UT

A dog that weighed nearly as much as a horse.....
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To: austpacwx@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Finally

hi bussy,
sorry to hear about your friends pet,
i hope it wasn't a horse.

Re: [austpacwx] Finally

hambone_ro...@internode.on.net (Richard Modistach) — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:18:21 UT

hi bussy,
sorry to hear about your friends pet,
i hope it wasn't a horse.

regards
richard

RE: [austpacwx] Finally [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

d.jo...@bom.gov.au (David Jones) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:57:17 UT

After a slow slow start has turned into a good month for much of Victoria and SA ([link]). Now had (about) 120mm in the last 8 days in Ferny Creek and ~70mm at Sandy Point (our shack on the coast). The Ferny Creek total puts the month about 10mm above average while Sandy is about 10mm below.

Finally

rbusc...@bigpond.net.au (Bussy) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:49:47 UT

I have finally tipped over the 300mm mark this morning. 60mm so far for the month. My average is 47 for November.

18.2mm since midnight so far. Even had a few pools in the low spots of the backyard. Although they disappear quickly when the rain stops. Still some brief heavy showers about at present.

RE: [austpacwx] Mt Gambier Storms

mawint...@gmail.com (Marcus) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:38:42 UT

Ahhh LOL

Its was actually moved to Brimbank park for the same reason. Less of a
drive from the old Melbourne water office located in the park than the 15
odd km to Arundel road weir.

Funnily enough they have had problems with that's station, as the catchment
is smack bang next to a walking path. I seem to recall 8mm falling during

RE: [austpacwx] Mt Gambier Storms

mawint...@gmail.com (Marcus) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:52:22 UT

The beauty.

The joy.

Of an ever changing.

Ever evolving...

and somewhat forgetful governing bodies that struggle to communicate. LOL

or - they moved it to Brimbank park.

Sent: Saturday, 28 November 2009 8:34 PM
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The November average for Keilor (Arundel) from 1892 to 1998 when the station

Re: [austpacwx] Mt Gambier Storms

rbusc...@bigpond.net.au (Bussy) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:40:13 UT

Same here for the Rutherglen Post Office. From what I've been told was the staff at the time were too lazy to take the readings at 9am and so they were discontinued. Dunno if that is right or not but just some knowledge taken from a few more senior Rutherglen(ites).

Bussy

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Re: [austpacwx] Mt Gambier Storms

sha...@gstormc.com (Shane Ekerbicer) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:33:51 UT

The November average for Keilor (Arundel) from 1892 to 1998 when the
station closed is 48.5mm. I would be over the moon with 95mm. The
rainfall record up until 1998 was 167mm for November.

I am still wondering why a station that was open for over 100 years
would close....

ShaneE

RE: [austpacwx] Mt Gambier Storms

mawint...@gmail.com (Marcus) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:13:23 UT

Na Dry spot Struck again.

Had some steady soaking falls last night and has just set in again.

From memory our rain events in keilor have been

75mm

10mm

5mm

5 and counting today

Be nice to crack a Hundy.

Interestingly, and very pleasing was a jacksons and Deep creek observations

Re: [austpacwx] Mt Gambier Storms

r81n-...@bigpond.net.au (Keith Barnett) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:59:55 UT

Oh dear, Richard, I'm sure you're a bright spark but surely not given to electrifying overloads..?

Cheers..Keith
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Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Mt Gambier Storms

Re: [austpacwx] Mt Gambier Storms

hambone_ro...@internode.on.net (Richard Modistach) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:29:11 UT

hi marcus,

sorry i didn't get back last night,
yer this was really different to anything i'd seen before
and it was good to get something with an attitude to
rival mine.
i just had a look at the radar , sat and lightning for the
last 12 hrs, looks like maximum intensity was through the
s.e.s.a. ans western half of vic more to the south.

RE: [austpacwx] Mt Gambier Storms

mawint...@gmail.com (Marcus) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:21:51 UT

Hi Richard,

I'm pretty new to all this, but I'm guessing that your afternoon events
where awesome!!

I also take it that it would be worth sitting up and watching them move over
Keilor?

marcus

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RE: [austpacwx] Mt Gambier Storms

mawint...@gmail.com (Marcus) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:19:10 UT

Sorry - was referring the BOM's radar. As in rain intencity

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Sent: Friday, 27 November 2009 9:08 PM
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What blue do you mean? The blue lightning shots? If so then they are the
older ones.

Bussy

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Re: [austpacwx] Mt Gambier Storms

hambone_ro...@internode.on.net (Richard Modistach) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:16:24 UT

unpredictable systen....no, unexpected intensity and duration.....yes
mt. gambier is but a pinprick, the whole of the mid and lower s.e.
got pasted today.
chased around the s.e. today,
was totally nutso,
i like low based HP but this was off the scale even for me,
i've never seen it so dark in the middle of the afternoon,

Re: [austpacwx] Mt Gambier Storms

rbusc...@bigpond.net.au (Bussy) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:07:51 UT

What blue do you mean? The blue lightning shots? If so then they are the
older ones.

Bussy

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Mt Gambier Storms

mawint...@gmail.com (Dry Spot) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:01:57 UT

An interesting and seemingly unpredicable system in Mt Gambier atm,
looks as though the main system will slip below us. ??

Is it a fair comment that blue over the wimmera in a front coming from
the nrth west will turn yellow or red over melbourne and central
ranges?

Cheers

RE: [austpacwx] A Cracker in Keilor!!! Bring it on [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

pkmat...@tpg.com.au (Matters Family) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:40:06 UT

Hi All,
I have attached an "end on" view of that squall line - shot from
Broadford.
Cheers Peter

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Ahh okay - Ski.com must buy it from them.

Okay - so the first time in 17 years keilor is this wet. Where's the rest

Re: [austpacwx] A Cracker in Keilor!!! Bring it on [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

rbusc...@bigpond.net.au (Bussy) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:01:33 UT

Radar images from weatherzone Marcus. [link]

Bussy

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RE: [austpacwx] A Cracker in Keilor!!! Bring it on [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

mawint...@gmail.com (Marcus) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:21:02 UT

Ahh okay - Ski.com must buy it from them.

Okay - so the first time in 17 years keilor is this wet. Where's the rest
of it?

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Marcus, that's the same as the Weatherzone VIC image -

RE: [austpacwx] Melbourne Squall Line [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

kka...@hotmail.com (Ken Kato) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:23:16 UT

The amount of icy precip aloft over the WER looks definitely looks impressive on the RHI imagery. Definitely a sight to see a bookend vortex at the best of times here. A couple of other interesting things I noticed about the environment over Vic is the amazing amount of 200hpa warm air advection over northern parts (up to 4C/hr according to UK's prog for 06z) and the very deep flow from the N quadrants all the way from the sfc up past the tropopause on the SE flank of that mid/upper low.

Re: [austpacwx] A Cracker in Keilor!!! Bring it on [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

vk3...@gmail.com (Tony Langdon) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:04:06 UT

ARRRRRRRGH! Channel 10 used the M word, to describe a wind event in
Woomelang last night. :-/

73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
[link]

Re: [austpacwx] A Cracker in Keilor!!! Bring it on [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

sup...@iinet.net.au (The Mayos) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:45:12 UT

Yes the photos got through. Great to see you all getting a lot of rain. I do hope that there is not much house damage.

TV aerials either side of us, got repaired today after last Friday's storm. That was a "cracker" as well.
Judy

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RE: [austpacwx] A Cracker in Keilor!!! Bring it on [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

info...@ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:31:24 UT

Marcus, that's the same as the Weatherzone VIC image -
[link]
ana=7&anb=333&anc=3&lya=1&lyk= 1&lye=1 - though you may need a paid
subscription to get it. It also has 12-hour archive, the ability to zoom to
individual radars and lightning tracker. It certainly looks impressive

RE: [austpacwx] A Cracker in Keilor!!! Bring it on [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

mawint...@gmail.com (Marcus) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:16:37 UT

This is a great site to see what's coming

[link]

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Sent: Thursday, 26 November 2009 2:56 PM
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Current radar is certainly one of the more impressive I've seen -
particularly the large areas of very intense rainfall. Could well see some

RE: [austpacwx] A Cracker in Keilor!!! Bring it on [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

mawint...@gmail.com (Marcus) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:13:57 UT

I'd have a look at the cell in Seymor.. could be an interesting day for the
SES

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Sent: Thursday, 26 November 2009 2:56 PM
To: austpacwx@googlegroups.com
[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Current radar is certainly one of the more impressive I've seen -
particularly the large areas of very intense rainfall. Could well see some

RE: [austpacwx] A Cracker in Keilor!!! Bring it on [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

mawint...@gmail.com (Marcus) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:13:24 UT

4mm here in one minute.

Did the photo's come through?

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Sent: Thursday, 26 November 2009 2:56 PM
To: austpacwx@googlegroups.com
[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Current radar is certainly one of the more impressive I've seen -
particularly the large areas of very intense rainfall. Could well see some

RE: [austpacwx] A Cracker in Keilor!!! Bring it on [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

d.jo...@bom.gov.au (David Jones) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:56:20 UT

Current radar is certainly one of the more impressive I've seen - particularly the large areas of very intense rainfall. Could well see some 100m+ falls by 9am at this rate.

The area between Viewbank south through Scoresby seems to have copped it particularly bad in the recent sequence.

DJ
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Re: [austpacwx] A Cracker in Keilor!!! Bring it on

vk3...@gmail.com (Tony Langdon) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:55:07 UT

Nice downpour in Laverton around 2:25PM. I was out cycling, and
literally arrived home when the storm hit. :) Looks like around 9mm
in 10 minutes or less according to the Laverton AWS. :)

73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
[link]

Melbourne Squall Line [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

h.rich...@bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:42:37 UT

A squall line / Line Echo Wave Pattern just moved through Melbourne.
The primary threat emanated from a cell on its E end, associated
with a so-called "bookend vortex". I have attached a message I sent
earlier.

Harald

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The eastern bookend vortex cell has prospered (see attachment) with a fair amount

RE: [austpacwx] A Cracker in Keilor!!! Bring it on

mawint...@gmail.com (Marcus) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:39:26 UT

Unfortunately the red was short lived - and by the time I got the camera it
had eased dramatically.

None the less, see pics attached.

Cheers

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Sent: Thursday, 26 November 2009 2:33 PM
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Hi All,

I haven't worked out how to post photo's directly on here, so will

A Cracker in Keilor!!! Bring it on

mawint...@gmail.com (Dry Spot) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:32:49 UT

Hi All,

I haven't worked out how to post photo's directly on here, so will
attach with a reply.

For the first time in ages we had some dark red rain - short lived -
but visibility was down to 15 meters.

96 hours of this I can live with!!