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RE: [austpacwx] Stormchaser sacrifice....

2009-11-25T11:26:01Z

LOL - I reckon. Enjoy!

I did hear last night that Coliban water will be lifting the water
restrictions to level three for Kyneton and Castlemaine.

Perhaps the 103mm will certainly over compensate for the 6% drop in the
upper coliban res.

Another 50mm could be quite at site.

RE: [austpacwx] Weather News - Longer November heatwave 130 years ago [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-11-25T07:25:10Z

In general all pre-1910 Australian temperature data, especially maximum temperatures, should be treated with extreme caution because of non-standardisation of instrument shelters. It runs the range from 'useful for just about everything except climate change analyses' (e.g. Melbourne) to 'not much use for any purpose other than determining that day X was hotter/colder than day Y in the same year'. Pre-1882 Gunnedah is at the latter end of the scale; somewhat unusually, the mins also look highly suspect (too low - there is a monthly mean of -5.0 one July), which makes me think the instruments may have been on or close to the ground.

Re: [austpacwx] Upper low cross-section [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-11-25T00:50:46Z

What is annoying is that the BOM rainfall for Moomba has now gone on the blink.
Friend reports roads have been closed for 3 days at this stage now & local creek flooding in Wilson, Jackson & Cooper Creek catchment areas.

Cooper Basin rainfall figures:
Acrasia Office 25mm overnight
Ballera 51mm (9mm overnight)

Re: [austpacwx] Weather News - Longer November heatwave 130 years ago

2009-11-25T00:39:28Z

Hi Blair,

Perhaps some constructive remarks in Brett's direction might be in order.

From what I can see the November 1878 data (from 055023) is included
and complete in both the BoM's daily and monthly historical products and
the quality flags provided with the former give no indication that the

Re: [austpacwx] Upper low cross-section [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-11-24T22:14:59Z

Moomba 35.2mm in last 24 hours.

Friend of mine who works up there for SANTOS, reports mud everywhere lol....

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Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Upper low cross-section [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Re: [austpacwx] Stormchaser sacrifice....

2009-11-24T11:39:19Z

Hi Marcus,

just a tad difficult atm - we're still in Darwin....if we get the other 50mm
at the end of the week I'll take some on Monday night....

Cheers,

Jane

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Re: [austpacwx] Upper low cross-section [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-11-24T11:22:02Z

Moomba has basically doubled their annual rainfall in the last couple of hours.
Now 10.8mm this evening.

----- Original Message -----
From: Blair Trewin
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Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: [austpacwx] Upper low cross-section [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

RE: [austpacwx] Stormchaser sacrifice....

2009-11-24T04:18:36Z

Hi jane,

If you're back in town - I'd love to see a pic of the falls with your 103mm

Cheers

Sent: Tuesday, 24 November 2009 2:58 PM
To: austpacwx@googlegroups.com

Hi Ken,

how many more of them would you like taken from the plane? we've got quite a
few of them of planes lined up on the runway, dust in the trees, wind blown

RE: [austpacwx] Stormchaser sacrifice....

2009-11-24T04:07:12Z

Hi Jane, wouldn't mind a couple or so more of the dust before it hit, if you've got any.

Ken.

Hi Ken,

how many more of them would you like taken from the plane? we've got quite a few of them of planes lined up on the runway, dust in the trees, wind blown flags etc

Jane

RE: [austpacwx] Weather News - Longer November heatwave 130 years ago [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-11-24T04:04:34Z

A lot of the pre-1910 data, as discussed ad nauseum, is not comparable to current standards because of different instrument shelters (or lack thereof), and Gunnedah is worse than most. I'm pretty disappointed that Weatherzone is making a big deal of this.

Blair

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Weather News - Longer November heatwave 130 years ago

2009-11-24T04:01:12Z

Just saw this story on Weatherzone for anyone who is interested in reading it.

[link]

And more news of the Friday storm in this area - I read in todays local paper "The Manly Daily" that some houses in Bayview and Church Point were without power from the time of the storm on Friday until Sunday afternoon due to the huge amount of damage done to the power infrastructure.

Re: [austpacwx] Stormchaser sacrifice....

2009-11-24T03:58:14Z

Hi Ken,

how many more of them would you like taken from the plane? we've got quite a
few of them of planes lined up on the runway, dust in the trees, wind blown
flags etc

Jane

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RE: [austpacwx] Stormchaser sacrifice....

2009-11-24T03:15:32Z

Hi Ken

I had a cracker - but can't find it anymore.. I'll keep looking

Cheers

Sent: Tuesday, 24 November 2009 1:13 PM
To: Austpacwx

Great photos! I was actually looking for pics of the duststorm/thunderstorm
combo in Melbourne the other day so I was glad to see the ones you took.

RE: [austpacwx] Stormchaser sacrifice....

2009-11-24T02:13:23Z

Great photos! I was actually looking for pics of the duststorm/thunderstorm combo in Melbourne the other day so I was glad to see the ones you took.

Ken.

Evening all,

We always knew that if we left the state as a sacrifice to the weather gods Victoria would get flooding rains.....so we bolted on Friday and were delighted to see the falls you have had since then...

RE: [austpacwx] Upper low cross-section [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-11-24T00:11:12Z

The unusually low max temps under the cloud and rainband around those general inland regions yesterday looked impressive too. The 18C below average max of 18C at Bedourie in far W Qld would've dragged out the jumpers for sure.

Ken.

We did at least get confirmation that the Moomba rain gauge still works (something I was beginning to have doubts about) - they managed a massive 1mm, taking their annual total to 12.

Re: [austpacwx] Upper low cross-section [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-11-23T23:35:34Z

Thanks Ken. Looking forward to a bit more un-settled stuff :-)

Bussy

----- Original Message -----
From: Blair Trewin
To: 'austpacwx@googlegroups.com'
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:21 AM
Subject: RE: [austpacwx] Upper low cross-section [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

We did at least get confirmation that the Moomba rain gauge still works (something I was beginning to have doubts about) - they managed a massive 1mm, taking their annual total to 12.

RE: [austpacwx] Upper low cross-section [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-11-23T23:21:16Z

We did at least get confirmation that the Moomba rain gauge still works (something I was beginning to have doubts about) - they managed a massive 1mm, taking their annual total to 12.

So far most of the action has been in the Urandangi-Boulia-Windorah corridor (about 40 at all three), a bit further north than the models were expecting.

RE: [austpacwx] Upper low cross-section

2009-11-23T23:17:31Z

At this stage, it's still looking alright Bussy... albeit a bit better for southern Vic. Would depend a lot on whether the currently developing low and the next frontal system tracks as advertised though.

Ken.

Is that a good sign for some more wet stuff Ken?

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Re: [austpacwx] Gilmore ; New November record temperature (100 degrees F!) [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-11-23T04:33:58Z

----- Original Message -----
From: Rich Koivisto
To: austpacwx@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Gilmore ; New November record temperature (100 degrees F!) [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Well said Keith ! Most records are meant to be broken . Regards, Rich...

Re: [austpacwx] Upper low cross-section

2009-11-23T04:09:55Z

Good man!
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Kato
To: Austpacwx
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: [austpacwx] Upper low cross-section

If I could do things like that, I'd be pretty rich by now! There's some hope however - from what I saw yesterday, the indications were for the upper low to drift slowly W after it cuts off, then S and eventually start accelerating SE'wards across Vic later this week as it gets caught up in the main westerly flow with another frontal system behind it. I haven't had a look today so not sure if much has changed but consensus forecasts still look optimistic for reasonable falls for southern SA, VIC and TAS later this week: [link]

RE: [austpacwx] Upper low cross-section

2009-11-23T04:07:06Z

Re: [austpacwx] Upper low cross-section

2009-11-23T03:49:53Z

Is that a good sign for some more wet stuff Ken?
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Kato
To: Austpacwx
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:34 PM
Subject: [austpacwx] Upper low cross-section

For anyone interested, attached are a couple of plots re the mid/upper low due to spin up over the next couple of days. One is a cross-sectional vertical slice of temperatures for 10am Wed morning through the middle of the low from WA to QLD (I used a latitude of 27S to generate this plot). The other is a top-down view of the 500hpa heights (white contours), relative vorticity (shaded) and wind vectors at the 500hpa height (black arrows). Data is from the NCEP ensemble (mean values).

Re: [austpacwx] Upper low cross-section

2009-11-23T03:44:30Z

Thanks for those Ken. You can't push it a little to the south over 38S can you? Regards, Lindsay
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Kato
To: Austpacwx
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:34 PM
Subject: [austpacwx] Upper low cross-section

Upper low cross-section

2009-11-23T02:34:54Z

Re: [austpacwx] Stormchaser sacrifice....

2009-11-23T01:55:42Z

Clyve and Jane, Good to see you are enjoying the North Chase. Hope we see a pic of a Huge 60,000+ CB ! Best Regards! Rich...

*MINNESOTA > The best place to be when it isn't Winter! *

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Evening all,

We always knew that if we left the state as a sacrifice to the weather gods Victoria would get flooding rains.....so we bolted on Friday and were delighted to see the falls you have had since then...

RE: [austpacwx] Stormchaser sacrifice....

2009-11-23T01:15:54Z

Hi guys,
Enjoy the action!
Gavin

To: austpacwx@googlegroups.com

Evening all,

We always knew that if we left the state as a sacrifice to the weather gods Victoria would get flooding rains.....so we bolted on Friday and were delighted to see the falls you have had since then...

So while we're up here sacrificing ourselves for the good of the state, a daily report of the weather in the Top End will appear on the link below for your enjoyment.

Re: [austpacwx] Incredible Temperature Rises on the NSW Coast

2009-11-22T21:17:41Z

sounds good bussy except i'm that old and hard
i'd probably crack from thermal stress.

regards
richard

Stormchaser sacrifice....

2009-11-22T12:45:11Z

Evening all,

We always knew that if we left the state as a sacrifice to the weather gods
Victoria would get flooding rains.....so we bolted on Friday and were
delighted to see the falls you have had since then...

So while we're up here sacrificing ourselves for the good of the state, a
daily report of the weather in the Top End will appear on the link below for

Re: [austpacwx] Incredible Temperature Rises on the NSW Coast

2009-11-22T09:46:20Z

A temp range here from minus 7 to 47. Would ya like that Rich?

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Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 7:37 PM

40�?!!.......ya lucky varmit,
freezin' me cods off here after a decent warm spell,
didn't even make 21� here today.

Re: [austpacwx] Incredible Temperature Rises on the NSW Coast

2009-11-22T08:57:52Z

Hehehehe, only managed to get to 19.5c here today. It was completely
overcast until about 4pm. We had 39.5mm in 12 hours overnight, with
heavy rain falling at around 9.30 this morning causing some flash
flooding around the place. I loved every minute of it!

40°?!!.......ya lucky varmit,

Re: [austpacwx] Incredible Temperature Rises on the NSW Coast

2009-11-22T08:37:04Z

40�?!!.......ya lucky varmit,
freezin' me cods off here after a decent warm spell,
didn't even make 21� here today.
damn changable spring weather, bring on jan/feb.

regards
richard

Re: [austpacwx] Incredible Temperature Rises on the NSW Coast

2009-11-22T06:32:29Z

Looks like the NW wind eroded the seabreeze or there was a massive mixing down from just above it? That's a whopping jump!

40° here at the moment...have had no seabreeze but I'd have been too far inland for it I guess.
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From: Shane Ekerbicer
To: austpacwx@googlegroups.com

RE: [austpacwx] Incredible Temperature Rises on the NSW Coast

2009-11-22T06:28:30Z

The Sun is back out in Melbourne town, 75mm all the better off in Keilor.
The emergency pressure valve blew at the old keilor sewerage station and a
short period of poo floating down the river. After filling two emergency
storage pits. I’d hold off on eating any fish from flemmington for a while.

Re: [austpacwx] Incredible Temperature Rises on the NSW Coast

2009-11-22T05:33:20Z

I guess the good folks at Bellambi were having a great day until the wind arrived. We have just had heat, and now it looks like dust in the sky as well. Or perhaps bushfire smoke up high.
Judy
----- Original Message -----
From: Shane Ekerbicer
To: austpacwx@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:58 PM

Incredible Temperature Rises on the NSW Coast

2009-11-22T04:58:32Z

Hi All,

My attention has just been brought to some temperature rises, in
particular Bellambi which rose from 23.6c at 2pm to 37.5c at 2.42pm.
Not sure what the record temperature rising is for Australia, but that
could be close?

An extract from the Weather Station obs:

Date/Time

Re: [austpacwx] Funny article re BoM site

2009-11-22T03:06:54Z

OK..I'm a bit too much on the cemetery side for a PhD...but the fems have degrees for all sorts of silly things far more trivial than the weather..
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Kato
To: Austpacwx
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 11:28 AM
Subject: RE: [austpacwx] Funny article re BoM site

RE: [austpacwx] Inland flooding / more lows [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-11-22T02:56:44Z

I just had that look. My first impression is GFS looks like a bit of an outlier for this event in having the heavier precip further W than many others at about +72hr. Even the majority of its own ensemble members have the heavier rain right on, or W of the QLD border on the spaghetti plots. I noticed many others (JMA, UK, CMC, Nogaps, etc) have it a bit futher E... although EC swirls a lot of the cloud in over mid northern SA after the low becomes fully developed. The consensus from the PME output looks like a good compromise to me between the above models for this system. Have not had a close look at the actual dynamics of this event yet though.

Re: [austpacwx] Inland flooding / more lows

2009-11-22T02:38:43Z

I'll be watching with interest Ken. Great to see a decent fall of rain again. Certainly freshens things up.

33.6mm all up here. Very steamy 26 degrees here at present.

Bussy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Kato
To: Austpacwx
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 12:02 PM
Subject: [austpacwx] Inland flooding / more lows

RE: [austpacwx] Inland flooding / more lows [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-11-22T02:05:21Z

Hi Blair, I was referring to PME.

Am about to have a quick look at JMA, UK and some others.

Ken.

This may also mean Moomba, which has somehow managed to fail to get anything out of the weekend's system, advances significantly on its current annual total of 11mm, although EC has the centre of the action a bit further east than the model Ken's referring to (which I presume is GFS?), focusing the heavy falls on the Windorah/Thargomindah corridor.

RE: [austpacwx] Inland flooding / more lows [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-11-22T01:59:00Z

RE: [austpacwx] Funny article re BoM site

2009-11-22T01:28:47Z

There's a number of interesting things if you enter both terms into Google Trends or Insights:

[link]

There's a long term increase in 'weather' searches and a long term decrease in the "other term". There's also strong peaks for 'weather' every summer just about everywhere in Oz (might suggest people are interested in heatwaves as well, not just thunderstorms)... similar to the UK, whereas in the US, it's very steady. Can also enter in the Bureau's site URL and see traffic trends there. So you're right - the study of all these connections could make for an entire PhD thesis!

Re: [austpacwx] Gilmore ; New November record temperature (100 degrees F!) [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-11-22T01:21:19Z

Gosh that's a lot of rain especially with the hot winds ahead of the
system..hope it keeps coming. Could do with some up here. The heat's
knocking people out.

Haven't seen 2012 and probably wouldn't bother..it is only Hollywood and
money-making. There's a stupid, space-wasting thread on Weatherzone on 2012

RE: [austpacwx] Inland flooding / more lows

2009-11-22T01:18:03Z

Bring it on!!

I'm surprised the BOM hasn't released flood watch for some of our rivers.
Clyve hit 85mm I think.

Clyve - can you please take some pics from trentham falls today? Lol

Cheers

Sent: Sunday, 22 November 2009 12:02 PM
To: Austpacwx

Some impressive totals progged for interior parts near the junctions of the

Inland flooding / more lows

2009-11-22T01:02:13Z

Some impressive totals progged for interior parts near the junctions of the QLD/NSW/SA/NT borders early this week to the E and S of the cutoff low. With >100 to 150mm progged and further falls likely in eastern SA (and elsewhere) later this week, will be interesting to see how much drainage there'll be into Lake Eyre as well as inland flooding.

RE: [austpacwx] Gilmore ; New November record temperature (100 degrees F!) [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-11-22T00:43:55Z

No no not at all. Travesty being the science of allowing a light aircraft
to firstly be ingulfed by a claustic eruption cloud, and then dropping down
a gear and to out run it - without a scratch. (to name just one).

Well on a much lighter note, my Guage is sitting on 70mm from last night,
the creek down below is in full flood, and I suspect if Macedon got the

Pittwater Storm

2009-11-21T20:29:36Z

Hi All
We had to go back through the area of Friday's storm on Saturday afternoon.

We found that there were still many SES and Electricity trucks working through that area in Church Point.

I guess that a lot of people will or will not be happy with their new open views.

The piles of broken trees are growing on the roadside.

Re: [austpacwx] Gilmore ; New November record temperature (100 degrees F!) [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-11-21T18:26:54Z

Thanks Shane, that's why I'm not in the IT industry..certainly MurkySoft wouldn't like me...

Cheers..Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: Shane Ekerbicer
To: austpacwx@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Gilmore ; New November record temperature (100 degrees F!) [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Re: [austpacwx] Gilmore ; New November record temperature (100 degrees F!) [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-11-21T11:25:35Z

Visual Basic is a programming language for Windows, written by
Micro$oft.

It should be End Sub by the way Keith ;)

Regards,
ShaneE

Grin. Visual Basic? What's that mean Keith? I have to ask.

Bussy
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Re: [austpacwx] Gilmore ; New November record temperature (100 degrees F!) [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-11-21T10:18:31Z

Don't mean to be rude Marcus. I haven't seen 2012. Are you saying that 2012,
that's the end of us? Sounds a bit like you got a scare from "the Movie".

12th of the 12th 2012 sounds corny to me. Maybe Friday the 13th 2013 may
have been a better choice. Grin.

They did start up the Collider again today so who knows :-))

Re: [austpacwx] Gilmore ; New November record temperature (100 degrees F!) [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-11-21T10:12:04Z

Grin. Visual Basic? What's that mean Keith? I have to ask.

Bussy
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Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 11:19 AM
degrees F!) [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Sub Soapbox ()
Dim warming as Variant

I tend to be a bit ho-hum about the breaking of any sort of record...and not