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Clyve Herbert  
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From: "Clyve Herbert" <mes...@iprimus.com.au>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:33:54 +1000
Local: Tues, Jun 30 2009 10:33 am
Subject: Media heat wave UK ?.

Hi all....Interesting warnings from CNN and the BBC (Austar). The weather presenter on CNN was covering the pending heat wave for London and parts of southeast England, the beat up by the presenter was rather worrying ?...First the need for everybody to drink water, stay indoors wear sun block bla bla bla and on it went describing the 'dangerous heat expected.   Then the proper advice followed ...the weather forecast....sunny and hot with a maximum in London of 28c !!!!!! ????.   I presume after all that most Londoners are cowering under the staircase....regards Clyve H.

PS....The 'heat wave' for London is expected to peak  Tuesday with a max of 30c and thunderstorms....anyone for a strom chase ? !...


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Ken Kato  
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From: Ken Kato <kka...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:32:26 +1000
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Subject: RE: [austpacwx] Media heat wave UK ?.

Their average July max is around 20C off the top of my head so anything above the mid 20's would be a novelty for them. I remember looking up extremes for London a few years ago out of curiosity and I vaguely remember seeing their alltime record was about 38C... pretty impressive for a place that's 50N. Would be like Macquarie Island getting to 38C in terms of latitude if the ocean currents were the same.

I was actually checking out London's weather a few weeks ago when it was unsettled and max's were around 30C - LI values dipped to an impressive -7 there... pretty extreme for there. Was fun watching the webcams showing all the storms grow and sweep over. Nowhere near as extreme this time around so thunderstorm probabilites look a bit borderline to me.

Ken.


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Gavin O'Brien  
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From: Gavin O'Brien <mrcenterpri...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:13:29 +1000
Local: Tues, Jun 30 2009 12:13 pm
Subject: RE: [austpacwx] Media heat wave UK ?.

HI Clyve,
I was in the UK ( near London) in 2007 .The buildings in England, around London are designed for the cold of winter with quite inadequate provision for heat waves , now becoming more common there. Also the higher temperatures have a rather higher Relative Humidety than we experience here, making the heat quite oppressive.Even 27 degrees in London is very hard to put up with.Certainly the Brits have little knowledge of how to handle hot weather.

Gavin,
Gilmore ACT

From: mes...@iprimus.com.au
To: austpacwx@googlegroups.com
Subject: [austpacwx] Media heat wave UK ?.
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:33:54 +1000

Hi all....Interesting warnings from CNN and the
BBC (Austar). The weather presenter on CNN was covering the pending heat wave
for London and parts of southeast England, the beat up by the presenter was
rather worrying ?...First the need for everybody to drink water, stay
indoors wear sun block bla bla bla and on it went describing the 'dangerous
heat expected.   Then the proper advice followed ...the weather
forecast....sunny and hot with a maximum in London of 28c !!!!!!
????.   I presume after all that most Londoners are cowering under the
staircase....regards Clyve H.

PS....The 'heat wave' for London is expected to
peak  Tuesday with a max of 30c and thunderstorms....anyone for a strom
chase ? !...

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:26:42 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jun 30 2009 9:26 pm
Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.

FA Cup day this year seemed hot according to a thermometer broadcasters pointed to just before kick off.  It showed a temperature of just above 40, althought this was the temperature in the open - don't know what the actual shade maximum was that day.  English spectators shown on camera seemed to be sticking handkerchiefs on their heads to cope with the 'hot' day.

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HI Clyve,
I was in the UK ( near London) in 2007 .The buildings in England, around London are designed for the cold of winter with quite inadequate provision for heat waves , now becoming more common there. Also the higher temperatures have a rather higher Relative Humidety than we experience here, making the heat quite oppressive.Even 27 degrees in London is very hard to put up with.Certainly the Brits have little knowledge of how to handle hot weather.

Gavin,
Gilmore ACT

From: mes...@iprimus.com.au
To: austpacwx@googlegroups.com
Subject: [austpacwx] Media heat wave UK ?.
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:33:54 +1000

Hi all....Interesting warnings from CNN and the BBC (Austar). The weather presenter on CNN was covering the pending heat wave for London and parts of southeast England, the beat up by the presenter was rather worrying ?...First the need for everybody to drink water, stay indoors wear sun block bla bla bla and on it went describing the 'dangerous heat expected.   Then the proper advice followed ...the weather forecast....sunny and hot with a maximum in London of 28c !!!!!! ????.   I presume after all that most Londoners are cowering under the staircase....regards Clyve H.
 
PS....The 'heat wave' for London is expected to peak  Tuesday with a max of 30c and thunderstorms....anyone for a strom chase ? !...

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Keith Barnett  
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From: "Keith Barnett" <r81n-...@bigpond.net.au>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:56:15 +1000
Local: Tues, Jun 30 2009 9:56 pm
Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.

They aren't used to the weather we take here for granted.

I once had a letter published in the RMS 'Weather' magazine in the 90s in which I chuckled a bit at the way they described having had 75mm of rain in a day or so whereas our Warragamba catchment area (Robertson, to be exact) received 1000mm+ in a week in June 1991.

I think the English love their heat, even if it is unusual for them to get it. Not sure if there's any truth in the rumour that they drink beer at room temperature. Here of course it would at least be a good dewpoint thermometer.

Cheers..Keith


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Clyve Herbert  
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From: "Clyve Herbert" <mes...@iprimus.com.au>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:09:54 +1000
Local: Tues, Jun 30 2009 10:09 pm
Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.

Hi Keith....I attended a wedding in Wales in June 1988 and the temp reached 26c the reception room had no opening windows and was like a sauna, I went for a walk on the beach (26c) and the humidity was 81%. I discovered a lot of my uncles and aunts did not wear deodorant and everybody in the reception got soaked in sweat. British heat can be a bugger especially in London.
However the worse story I have heard about heat comes from an Indian friend of mine who is only 5 foot four and he used to travel to work on the Bombay metro...He used to take a spare shirt to work because of the sweating dripping off the hordes hanging onto the suspended handrails in a crowded Bombay metro, being so short he would get the sweat dripping on him from above....yuck....best regards Clyve H


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Keith Barnett  
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From: "Keith Barnett" <r81n-...@bigpond.net.au>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:19:12 +1000
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Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.

Hi Clyve, it's a pity you weren't in the drobwllllantysiliogogogoch in Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.

Cheers..Keith


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Les Crossan  
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From: Les Crossan <les.cros...@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:24:02 +0100
Local: Tues, Jun 30 2009 10:24 pm
Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.
Keith Barnett wrote:
> They aren't used to the weather we take here for granted.

> I once had a letter published in the RMS 'Weather' magazine in the 90s
> in which I chuckled a bit at the way they described having had 75mm of
> rain in a day or so whereas our Warragamba catchment area (Robertson,
> to be exact) received 1000mm+ in a week in June 1991.

> I think the English love their heat, even if it is unusual for them to
> get it. Not sure if there's any truth in the rumour that they drink
> beer at room temperature. Here of course it would at least be a good
> dewpoint thermometer.

> Cheers..Keith

The English do like their heat, usually in Spain, but then they all
overdo it and look like lobsters or end up in casualty with 3rd degree
burns :/  There's a 'heatwave' alert out by the good old UKMO atm -
caused by a warm plume from the European continent - which is also
sparking off quite a few pulse. 30C or so forecast at high humidity.

we're all going to fry to death
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/heathealth/index.html

Pulse forecast!
http://www.torro.org.uk/site/forecast.php

Europe's take on it...
http://www.estofex.org/ click on the map

No truth in warm beer at all we like our 'Ozzie' lager and XXXX just as
ice cold as everyone else. 'Real' ale shouldn't be chilled to the point
of almost frozen, though :)

Les


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Ken Kato  
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:26:30 +1000
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Subject: RE: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.

Do most office buildings in London have aircon these days?

Ken.


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Ken Kato  
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From: Ken Kato <kka...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:31:10 +1000
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Subject: RE: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.

Sorry I meant to include places like shopping centres, cafes, restaurants, etc in that question.

From: kka...@hotmail.com
To: austpacwx@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:26:30 +1000

Do most office buildings in London have aircon these days?

Ken.


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Les Crossan  
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From: Les Crossan <les.cros...@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:37:01 +0100
Local: Tues, Jun 30 2009 10:37 pm
Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.
Ken Kato wrote:
> Sorry I meant to include places like shopping centres, cafes,
> restaurants, etc in that question.

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> To: austpacwx@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.
> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:26:30 +1000

> Do most office buildings in London have aircon these days?

> Ken.

Yes - in London and everywhere else here. Not that the English would be
sitting in an air conditioned office or cafe during lunch they'll all be
out getting burned to a crisp in their local park :)

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Ken Kato  
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From: Ken Kato <kka...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:00:06 +1000
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Subject: RE: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.

Thanks Les, I guess that makes sense too. Sounds really nice there at the moment. Heathrow's showing 29 degrees as I type with a not too bad 34% and clear skies.

Ken.


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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:27:08 +1000
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Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.

I have been to the uk a few times during there summer and what stood out to me was there humidity it may have been only 28c but it felt much higher.
Regards,
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Tony Langdon  
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From: Tony Langdon <vk3...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:36:00 +1000
Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.
At 10:37 PM 6/30/2009, you wrote:

>Yes - in London and everywhere else here. Not that the English would be
>sitting in an air conditioned office or cafe during lunch they'll all be
>out getting burned to a crisp in their local park :)

Only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun. ;)

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Clyve Herbert  
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:43:57 +1000
Local: Wed, Jul 1 2009 10:43 am
Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.
Hi Tony
I know a few storm chasers who do that as well....! Clyve H


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Tony Langdon  
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From: Tony Langdon <vk3...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:07:16 +1000
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Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.
At 10:43 AM 7/1/2009, you wrote:

>Hi Tony
>I know a few storm chasers who do that as well....! Clyve H

True, that brings back memories of Darwin. :D  However, the idea is
that the storm will soon obscure the sun. ;)

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Bussy  
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From: "Bussy" <rbusc...@bigpond.net.au>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:37:54 +1000
Local: Thurs, Jul 2 2009 9:37 am
Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.
Bit late getting on to this one but had a great chuckle. 31C !! Spring day !

> we're all going to fry to death
> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/heathealth/index.html

> Les

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From: Ken Kato <kka...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:35:26 +1000
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Subject: RE: [austpacwx] Media heat wave UK ?.

Extract from the UK Met Office's forecast for SW England today:

Thundery rain, very heavy and with hail at times will slowly clear eastwards through the afternoon. Becoming less humid.

Meawhile London's going for 32C today, thundery showers in western parts, an afternoon seabreeze and a UV index of 7 (just below the threshold of Very High) which is around the same as what Mackay in Qld or Broome's going for today. Probably enough to relieve the symptoms of homesickness for all the expat aussies there I'd say.

Ken.

From: mes...@iprimus.com.au
To: austpacwx@googlegroups.com
Subject: [austpacwx] Media heat wave UK ?.
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:33:54 +1000

Hi all....Interesting warnings from CNN and the BBC (Austar). The weather presenter on CNN was covering the pending heat wave for London and parts of southeast England, the beat up by the presenter was rather worrying ?...First the need for everybody to drink water, stay indoors wear sun block bla bla bla and on it went describing the 'dangerous heat expected.   Then the proper advice followed ...the weather forecast....sunny and hot with a maximum in London of 28c !!!!!! ????.   I presume after all that most Londoners are cowering under the staircase....regards Clyve H.

PS....The 'heat wave' for London is expected to peak  Tuesday with a max of 30c and thunderstorms....anyone for a strom chase ? !...


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les.cros...@blueyonder.co.uk  
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:36:33 +0100 (BST)
Local: Thurs, Jul 2 2009 5:36 pm
Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.
Big TS here in NE England yesterday (Wednesday) afternoon with CG at about
5/6 min with torrential rain.

Albemarle (3238) not a million miles from here was reporting LI -3 and
CAPE = 944 on their 12z sounding that's a lot of energy for 55N. No shear
meant pulse - type storms.

http://62.202.7.134/hpbo/app/hpbo/img/snd/skewt_03238_20090701_12z.gif

The Estofex 'kiss of death' got it spot on for once but the ukmo harps on
about AGW rather than weather and this heatwave warning appears awfully
like Granny State Britain..

29C forecast for this afternoon. Better go ice up a cold one for later :)


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From: Ken Kato <kka...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:11:20 +1000
Local: Thurs, Jul 2 2009 7:11 pm
Subject: RE: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.

Wow nice Les. Any photogenic parts to those storms  eg. shelf cloud?  Or did they form pretty much overhead?

I had a quick look at London meteograms for the next couple of days before the cooler air's due to come in. UKMO forecast soundings looked more pessimistic on instability than GFS which itself showed LI's dipping only just below 0 and CAPEs in the few hundreds. The best values I've seen so far this year for London was -7 LI's and >1500 CAPE, which is pretty impressive I think.

Ken.


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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:59:27 +0100 (BST)
Local: Thurs, Jul 2 2009 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.

> Wow nice Les. Any photogenic parts to those storms  eg. shelf cloud?  Or
> did they form pretty much overhead?

Storms were fairly high base pulse and embedded in an St / Sc / Ac layer.
The only discerning features were either black or very black skies in the
embedded storms. No evidence of rotation and no rfd or shelf. Attempted
videoing but as soon as i stopped... flang!

There was a lot of IC lightning and overall was 10-15 a minute, a radio on
longwave was continuously crackling. At times the rain in spain was
falling mainly on... Wallsend (that's the Wallsend at 55N 0130W).

More instability is progged for tomorrow when the CF comes through but
today is just hot & humid, currently 24C at 1100 local.

A sixpack of Carlsberg is getting nicely chilled in the fridge :)


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Keith Barnett  
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From: "Keith Barnett" <r81n-...@bigpond.net.au>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:08:47 +1000
Local: Thurs, Jul 2 2009 8:08 pm
Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.
Speaking of where the rain falls..I recall a TV comedy skit 30-40 years ago
in which it was stated that 'the rain from Spain falls mainly in the
Ukraine'.

As with the original, good for electrocution lessons oops elocution lessons
I guess.


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Bussy  
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:04:02 +1000
Local: Thurs, Jul 2 2009 10:04 pm
Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.
The soundings look quite impressive. If only my head could understand them
:-(

I think I might be more than a simple man......

Bussy


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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:06:02 +1000
Local: Thurs, Jul 2 2009 10:06 pm
Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.

My daughter is currently in Southport and said this morning about some "mini tornadoes" reported but missed where they were.

Anyone know?

Bussy


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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:18:17 +1000
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Subject: Re: [austpacwx] Re: Media heat wave UK ?.
HAHAHAHA. Sorry Les. 24C. That's awesome for a hot day. Even with humidity I
can't get my head around that it would be too bad.

High 30's here and humid is a bit tough. I hate the heat at the best of
times but at 47 on the 7/2 was the worst I've felt. I do strongly remember
the Ash Wednesday period (1983) when it was 38 still at midnight and I had
to start at 2am. Hard work to get up then for a 20 year old that had just
recently come from mum and dad's air cond lounge room. Where our whole
family ( 9 of us) slept while hot.. Plus the air was thick with smoke.

Someone has probably mentioned this sort of stuff but I had a run of 19 days
this year from memory above 38 degrees. Bussy was a real sook. Trust me.

P.S. We had a Lino floor back then which was cool to lay on :-)

Bussy

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