What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 on the price tag!
When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of the entire contract, should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that you actually have to pay, not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I just tempted myself to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense in my Coke and I poured it down the sink.
|-|erc wrote: > What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 on the > price tag!
> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of the > entire contract, > should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that you > actually have to pay, > not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I just > tempted myself > to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense in my > Coke and I poured > it down the sink.
> Herc
They rely on people forgetting to send the application in or not getting in on time or losing their receipt.
> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 on the > price tag!
> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of the > entire contract, > should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that you > actually have to pay, > not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I just > tempted myself > to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense in my > Coke and I poured > it down the sink.
|-|erc wrote: > What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 on the > price tag!
> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of the > entire contract, > should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that you > actually have to pay, > not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I just > tempted myself > to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense in my > Coke and I poured > it down the sink.
> Herc
It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people ultimately pay is a function of how much value they attach to money. Some people won't intend to apply for the cash back in the first place. Others may intend to, but not attach sufficient importance to it actually to get round to it.
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:14:13 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote: > |-|erc wrote: >> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 on the >> price tag!
>> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of the >> entire contract, >> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that you >> actually have to pay, >> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
>> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I just >> tempted myself >> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense in >> my Coke and I poured >> it down the sink.
>> Herc
> It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people ultimately pay > is a function of how much value they attach to money. Some people won't > intend to apply for the cash back in the first place. Others may intend > to, but not attach sufficient importance to it actually to get round to > it.
>> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of the >> entire contract, >> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that you >> actually have to pay, >> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
>> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I just >> tempted myself >> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense in my >> Coke and I poured >> it down the sink.
> Arn't you on a diet?
Yes and I'm very hungry. I was reading about antioxidants in orange juice diminishing after it's been open a week and had a craving for orange juice. I was planning a trip to McDonald's drive thru for an apple pie, orange juice, McDippers and chocolate sundae, then I spotted the coke and thought it the lesser evil. Luckily I only had about 3 spoons of sugar worth and chucked out the other 7 spoons.
I've already lost my chubby cheeks since making that video, your face is the last place to put on weight and luckily to first place to lose weight, even the fish and chip lady said I've lost weight!
Horry wrote: > On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:14:13 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> |-|erc wrote: >>> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 on the >>> price tag!
>>> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of the >>> entire contract, >>> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that you >>> actually have to pay, >>> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
>>> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I just >>> tempted myself >>> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense in >>> my Coke and I poured >>> it down the sink.
>>> Herc >> It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people ultimately pay >> is a function of how much value they attach to money. Some people won't >> intend to apply for the cash back in the first place. Others may intend >> to, but not attach sufficient importance to it actually to get round to >> it.
> His complaint is about firms which advertise the post-cashback price as > the sticker price.
He asked what the point was.
It's debatable whether it's legal to use the post cashback price as the sticker price anyway. The problem, as is so often the case, is that the ACCC has bigger fish to fry.
Sylvia Else wrote: > Horry wrote: >> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:14:13 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> -|erc wrote: >>>> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 >>>> on the price tag!
>>>> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of >>>> the entire contract, >>>> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that >>>> you actually have to pay, >>>> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
>>>> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I >>>> just tempted myself >>>> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense >>>> in my Coke and I poured >>>> it down the sink.
>>>> Herc >>> It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people >>> ultimately pay is a function of how much value they attach to >>> money. Some people won't intend to apply for the cash back in the >>> first place. Others may intend to, but not attach sufficient >>> importance to it actually to get round to it.
>> His complaint is about firms which advertise the post-cashback price >> as the sticker price.
> He asked what the point was.
> It's debatable whether it's legal to use the post cashback price as > the sticker price anyway. The problem, as is so often the case, is > that the ACCC has bigger fish to fry.
The ACCC is more concerned about competition than consumer protection. These days, informed consumers can use the law to help them, if they need it. But it's still buyer beware - the ACCC can't help those who can't or won't help themselves when it's right in front of them.
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:07:34 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote: > Horry wrote: >> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:14:13 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> |-|erc wrote: >>>> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 on >>>> the price tag!
>>>> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of the >>>> entire contract, >>>> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that you >>>> actually have to pay, >>>> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
>>>> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I >>>> just tempted myself >>>> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense in >>>> my Coke and I poured >>>> it down the sink.
>>>> Herc >>> It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people ultimately >>> pay is a function of how much value they attach to money. Some people >>> won't intend to apply for the cash back in the first place. Others may >>> intend to, but not attach sufficient importance to it actually to get >>> round to it.
>> His complaint is about firms which advertise the post-cashback price as >> the sticker price.
> He asked what the point was.
I know. But if you read carefully (and, without wanting to sound like Phil, IN CONTEXT), you'll see his question (or, more accurately, his whine) was advertising-related.
> It's debatable whether it's legal to use the post cashback price as the > sticker price anyway.
Everything's debatable. As I'll no doubt discover when you reply to this.
Horry wrote: > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:07:34 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> Horry wrote: >>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:14:13 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> |-|erc wrote: >>>>> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 on >>>>> the price tag!
>>>>> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of the >>>>> entire contract, >>>>> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that you >>>>> actually have to pay, >>>>> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
>>>>> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I >>>>> just tempted myself >>>>> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense in >>>>> my Coke and I poured >>>>> it down the sink.
>>>>> Herc >>>> It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people ultimately >>>> pay is a function of how much value they attach to money. Some people >>>> won't intend to apply for the cash back in the first place. Others may >>>> intend to, but not attach sufficient importance to it actually to get >>>> round to it.
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yield_management >>> His complaint is about firms which advertise the post-cashback price as >>> the sticker price. >> He asked what the point was.
> I know. But if you read carefully (and, without wanting to sound like > Phil, IN CONTEXT), you'll see his question (or, more accurately, his > whine) was advertising-related.
Why did it have to be construed as a single question?
Sylvia Else wrote: > Horry wrote: >> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:14:13 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> -|erc wrote: >>>> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 >>>> on the price tag!
>>>> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of >>>> the entire contract, >>>> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that >>>> you actually have to pay, >>>> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
>>>> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I >>>> just tempted myself >>>> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense >>>> in my Coke and I poured >>>> it down the sink.
>>>> Herc >>> It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people >>> ultimately pay is a function of how much value they attach to >>> money. Some people won't intend to apply for the cash back in the >>> first place. Others may intend to, but not attach sufficient >>> importance to it actually to get round to it.
>> His complaint is about firms which advertise the post-cashback price >> as the sticker price.
> He asked what the point was.
> It's debatable whether it's legal to use the post cashback price as > the sticker price anyway. The problem, as is so often the case, is > that the ACCC has bigger fish to fry.
What about grocery prices when the customer takes over the checkout chick duties? The Coles near me has replaced its express lane with DIY checkouts, so the choice now for those with only a few items is between DIY and standing for ages in a loaded-trolleys queue. I am required to do _unpaid_ work for Coles now to get out quickly, so in fairness I should be paying lower prices than those listed for this work. At present the only compensation I get is not being asked, "How are you?" by a complete stranger. This is a sigificant incentive to DIY, but IMO it still doesn't cover the work involved in all the scanning, weighing, paying and change collecting I am now required to do.
> |-|erc wrote: >> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 on the price tag!
>> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of the entire contract, >> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that you actually have to >> pay, >> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
>> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I just tempted myself >> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense in my Coke and I >> poured >> it down the sink.
>> Herc
> It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people ultimately pay is a function > of how much value they attach to money. Some people won't intend to apply for the cash > back in the first place. Others may intend to, but not attach sufficient importance to > it actually to get round to it.
And the provider can also delay or 'lose' it. Although a few have been slapped for doing that. I've only ever done one cashback, for a $99->59 printer, took about 6 months and I only got it after I rang when clearing paperwork. I figure they are just bullshit, if anything they mildly offend me. The shop could do the cashback paperwork in bulk and just ticket the Consumer price as a marked down.
Similar to the 'Prize' selling discounts that try to get around Do Not Call.
'Congratulation, you have won $800 of free guttering.' 'Cool, come around and put it in next Tuesday.' .... 'No, it doesn't work like that, it is a $800 discount.' 'So, it isn't free then?, Why would I do business with you when the first thing you said was a lie?' click Log another on the do not call register.
> "Sylvia Else" <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote in message > news:006d3377$0$23480$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... >> |-|erc wrote: >>> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 on the price tag!
>>> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of the entire contract, >>> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that you actually have to >>> pay, >>> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
>>> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I just tempted myself >>> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense in my Coke and I >>> poured >>> it down the sink.
>>> Herc >> It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people ultimately pay is a function >> of how much value they attach to money. Some people won't intend to apply for the cash >> back in the first place. Others may intend to, but not attach sufficient importance to >> it actually to get round to it.
> And the provider can also delay or 'lose' it. > Although a few have been slapped for doing that. > I've only ever done one cashback, for a $99->59 printer, took about 6 months and > I only got it after I rang when clearing paperwork.
I even got a cashback from Microsoft Australia quicker than that. Can't remember what it was for.
-- Long-time resident of Adelaide, South Australia, which may or may not influence my opinions.
> > |-|erc wrote: > >> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 on the price tag!
> >> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of the entire contract, > >> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that you actually have to > >> pay, > >> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
> >> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I just tempted myself > >> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense in my Coke and I > >> poured > >> it down the sink.
> >> Herc
> > It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people ultimately pay is a function > > of how much value they attach to money. Some people won't intend to apply for the cash > > back in the first place. Others may intend to, but not attach sufficient importance to > > it actually to get round to it.
> And the provider can also delay or 'lose' it. > Although a few have been slapped for doing that. > I've only ever done one cashback, for a $99->59 printer, took about 6 months and > I only got it after I rang when clearing paperwork. > I figure they are just bullshit, if anything they mildly offend me. > The shop could do the cashback paperwork in bulk > and just ticket the Consumer price as a marked down.
> Similar to the 'Prize' selling discounts that try to get around Do Not Call.
> 'Congratulation, you have won $800 of free guttering.' > 'Cool, come around and put it in next Tuesday.' > .... > 'No, it doesn't work like that, it is a $800 discount.' > 'So, it isn't free then?, Why would I do business with you when the first thing you said > was a lie?' > click > Log another on the do not call register.
Geez, you just have to know how to "work" these people. The salesmen are not all that smart, so if you act dumb, and play the game, you get the whole guttering done for $800 less the $800 discount. In the past, I've had by entire house roof resprayed for free because if an ad (and a dumb salesman) like that.
DavidW wrote: > Sylvia Else wrote: >> Horry wrote: >>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:14:13 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> -|erc wrote: >>>>> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 >>>>> on the price tag!
>>>>> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of >>>>> the entire contract, >>>>> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that >>>>> you actually have to pay, >>>>> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
>>>>> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I >>>>> just tempted myself >>>>> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense >>>>> in my Coke and I poured >>>>> it down the sink.
>>>>> Herc >>>> It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people >>>> ultimately pay is a function of how much value they attach to >>>> money. Some people won't intend to apply for the cash back in the >>>> first place. Others may intend to, but not attach sufficient >>>> importance to it actually to get round to it.
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yield_management >>> His complaint is about firms which advertise the post-cashback price >>> as the sticker price. >> He asked what the point was.
>> It's debatable whether it's legal to use the post cashback price as >> the sticker price anyway. The problem, as is so often the case, is >> that the ACCC has bigger fish to fry.
> What about grocery prices when the customer takes over the checkout chick > duties? The Coles near me has replaced its express lane with DIY checkouts, so > the choice now for those with only a few items is between DIY and standing for > ages in a loaded-trolleys queue. I am required to do _unpaid_ work for Coles now > to get out quickly, so in fairness I should be paying lower prices than those > listed for this work. At present the only compensation I get is not being asked, > "How are you?" by a complete stranger. This is a sigificant incentive to DIY, > but IMO it still doesn't cover the work involved in all the scanning, weighing, > paying and change collecting I am now required to do.
I think your mistake here is in assuming that there's a correct price for goods. There isn't. There is merely the price you're being asked to pay, which you have the choice of accepting or rejecting.
So there's no rationale for saying that you should pay less when using the DIY exits. It's entirely your choice whether you use them.
While I don't doubt that these checkouts have been installed to boost store profits, and not out of some sense of social obligation on the part of the retailer, you're only using time you would have used watching the chekout chick do the work, and the extra exercise is probably good for you.
> > |-|erc wrote: > >> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 on the price tag!
> >> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of the entire contract, > >> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that you actually have to > >> pay, > >> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
> >> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I just tempted myself > >> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense in my Coke and I > >> poured > >> it down the sink.
> >> Herc
> > It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people ultimately pay is a function > > of how much value they attach to money. Some people won't intend to apply for the cash > > back in the first place. Others may intend to, but not attach sufficient importance to > > it actually to get round to it.
> And the provider can also delay or 'lose' it. > Although a few have been slapped for doing that. > I've only ever done one cashback, for a $99->59 printer, took about 6 months and > I only got it after I rang when clearing paperwork. > I figure they are just bullshit, if anything they mildly offend me. > The shop could do the cashback paperwork in bulk > and just ticket the Consumer price as a marked down.
> Similar to the 'Prize' selling discounts that try to get around Do Not Call.
> 'Congratulation, you have won $800 of free guttering.' > 'Cool, come around and put it in next Tuesday.' > .... > 'No, it doesn't work like that, it is a $800 discount.' > 'So, it isn't free then?, Why would I do business with you when the first thing you said > was a lie?' > click > Log another on the do not call register.
Geez, you just have to know how to "work" these people. The salesmen are not all that smart, so if you act dumb, and play the game, you get the whole guttering done for $800 less the $800 discount. In the past, I've had by entire house roof resprayed for free because if an ad (and a dumb salesman) like that.
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:33:13 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote: > DavidW wrote: >> Sylvia Else wrote: >>> Horry wrote: >>>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:14:13 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> -|erc wrote: >>>>>> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 on >>>>>> the price tag!
>>>>>> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of >>>>>> the entire contract, >>>>>> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that >>>>>> you actually have to pay, >>>>>> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
>>>>>> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I >>>>>> just tempted myself >>>>>> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense >>>>>> in my Coke and I poured >>>>>> it down the sink.
>>>>>> Herc >>>>> It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people ultimately >>>>> pay is a function of how much value they attach to money. Some >>>>> people won't intend to apply for the cash back in the first place. >>>>> Others may intend to, but not attach sufficient importance to it >>>>> actually to get round to it.
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yield_management >>>> His complaint is about firms which advertise the post-cashback price >>>> as the sticker price. >>> He asked what the point was.
>>> It's debatable whether it's legal to use the post cashback price as >>> the sticker price anyway. The problem, as is so often the case, is >>> that the ACCC has bigger fish to fry.
>> What about grocery prices when the customer takes over the checkout >> chick duties? The Coles near me has replaced its express lane with DIY >> checkouts, so the choice now for those with only a few items is between >> DIY and standing for ages in a loaded-trolleys queue. I am required to >> do _unpaid_ work for Coles now to get out quickly, so in fairness I >> should be paying lower prices than those listed for this work. At >> present the only compensation I get is not being asked, "How are you?" >> by a complete stranger. This is a sigificant incentive to DIY, but IMO >> it still doesn't cover the work involved in all the scanning, weighing, >> paying and change collecting I am now required to do.
> I think your mistake here is in assuming that there's a correct price > for goods. There isn't. There is merely the price you're being asked to > pay, which you have the choice of accepting or rejecting.
> So there's no rationale for saying that you should pay less when using > the DIY exits. It's entirely your choice whether you use them.
> While I don't doubt that these checkouts have been installed to boost > store profits, and not out of some sense of social obligation on the > part of the retailer, you're only using time you would have used > watching the chekout chick do the work, and the extra exercise is > probably good for you.
"The Coles near me has replaced its express lane with DIY checkouts".
IOW, there are no longer any express lanes at his local Coles.
Please read David's posts in their ENTIRETY and IN CONTEXT.
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:33:13 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote: > > DavidW wrote: > >> Sylvia Else wrote: > >>> Horry wrote: > >>>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:14:13 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
> >>>>>> -|erc wrote: > >>>>>> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 on > >>>>>> the price tag!
> >>>>>> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of > >>>>>> the entire contract, > >>>>>> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that > >>>>>> you actually have to pay, > >>>>>> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
> >>>>>> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I > >>>>>> just tempted myself > >>>>>> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense > >>>>>> in my Coke and I poured > >>>>>> it down the sink.
> >>>>>> Herc > >>>>> It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people ultimately > >>>>> pay is a function of how much value they attach to money. Some > >>>>> people won't intend to apply for the cash back in the first place. > >>>>> Others may intend to, but not attach sufficient importance to it > >>>>> actually to get round to it.
> >>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yield_management > >>>> His complaint is about firms which advertise the post-cashback price > >>>> as the sticker price. > >>> He asked what the point was.
> >>> It's debatable whether it's legal to use the post cashback price as > >>> the sticker price anyway. The problem, as is so often the case, is > >>> that the ACCC has bigger fish to fry.
> >> What about grocery prices when the customer takes over the checkout > >> chick duties? The Coles near me has replaced its express lane with DIY > >> checkouts, so the choice now for those with only a few items is between > >> DIY and standing for ages in a loaded-trolleys queue. I am required to > >> do _unpaid_ work for Coles now to get out quickly, so in fairness I > >> should be paying lower prices than those listed for this work. At > >> present the only compensation I get is not being asked, "How are you?" > >> by a complete stranger. This is a sigificant incentive to DIY, but IMO > >> it still doesn't cover the work involved in all the scanning, weighing, > >> paying and change collecting I am now required to do.
> > I think your mistake here is in assuming that there's a correct price > > for goods. There isn't. There is merely the price you're being asked to > > pay, which you have the choice of accepting or rejecting.
> > So there's no rationale for saying that you should pay less when using > > the DIY exits. It's entirely your choice whether you use them.
> > While I don't doubt that these checkouts have been installed to boost > > store profits, and not out of some sense of social obligation on the > > part of the retailer, you're only using time you would have used > > watching the chekout chick do the work, and the extra exercise is > > probably good for you.
> "The Coles near me has replaced its express lane with DIY checkouts".
> IOW, there are no longer any express lanes at his local Coles.
> Please read David's posts in their ENTIRETY and IN CONTEXT.
FFS, where's the fun in reading a post in its entirety and in context? People like YOU want to put people like ME out of a job.
>>>>>>> -|erc wrote: >>>>>>> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 on >>>>>>> the price tag!
>>>>>>> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of >>>>>>> the entire contract, >>>>>>> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that >>>>>>> you actually have to pay, >>>>>>> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
>>>>>>> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I >>>>>>> just tempted myself >>>>>>> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense >>>>>>> in my Coke and I poured >>>>>>> it down the sink.
>>>>>>> Herc >>>>>> It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people ultimately >>>>>> pay is a function of how much value they attach to money. Some >>>>>> people won't intend to apply for the cash back in the first place. >>>>>> Others may intend to, but not attach sufficient importance to it >>>>>> actually to get round to it.
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yield_management >>>>> His complaint is about firms which advertise the post-cashback price >>>>> as the sticker price. >>>> He asked what the point was.
>>>> It's debatable whether it's legal to use the post cashback price as >>>> the sticker price anyway. The problem, as is so often the case, is >>>> that the ACCC has bigger fish to fry. >>> What about grocery prices when the customer takes over the checkout >>> chick duties? The Coles near me has replaced its express lane with DIY >>> checkouts, so the choice now for those with only a few items is between >>> DIY and standing for ages in a loaded-trolleys queue. I am required to >>> do _unpaid_ work for Coles now to get out quickly, so in fairness I >>> should be paying lower prices than those listed for this work. At >>> present the only compensation I get is not being asked, "How are you?" >>> by a complete stranger. This is a sigificant incentive to DIY, but IMO >>> it still doesn't cover the work involved in all the scanning, weighing, >>> paying and change collecting I am now required to do.
>> I think your mistake here is in assuming that there's a correct price >> for goods. There isn't. There is merely the price you're being asked to >> pay, which you have the choice of accepting or rejecting.
>> So there's no rationale for saying that you should pay less when using >> the DIY exits. It's entirely your choice whether you use them.
>> While I don't doubt that these checkouts have been installed to boost >> store profits, and not out of some sense of social obligation on the >> part of the retailer, you're only using time you would have used >> watching the chekout chick do the work, and the extra exercise is >> probably good for you.
> "The Coles near me has replaced its express lane with DIY checkouts".
> >>>>>>> -|erc wrote: > >>>>>>> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 on > >>>>>>> the price tag!
> >>>>>>> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of > >>>>>>> the entire contract, > >>>>>>> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that > >>>>>>> you actually have to pay, > >>>>>>> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
> >>>>>>> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, I > >>>>>>> just tempted myself > >>>>>>> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla essense > >>>>>>> in my Coke and I poured > >>>>>>> it down the sink.
> >>>>>>> Herc > >>>>>> It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people ultimately > >>>>>> pay is a function of how much value they attach to money. Some > >>>>>> people won't intend to apply for the cash back in the first place. > >>>>>> Others may intend to, but not attach sufficient importance to it > >>>>>> actually to get round to it.
> >>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yield_management > >>>>> His complaint is about firms which advertise the post-cashback price > >>>>> as the sticker price. > >>>> He asked what the point was.
> >>>> It's debatable whether it's legal to use the post cashback price as > >>>> the sticker price anyway. The problem, as is so often the case, is > >>>> that the ACCC has bigger fish to fry. > >>> What about grocery prices when the customer takes over the checkout > >>> chick duties? The Coles near me has replaced its express lane with DIY > >>> checkouts, so the choice now for those with only a few items is between > >>> DIY and standing for ages in a loaded-trolleys queue. I am required to > >>> do _unpaid_ work for Coles now to get out quickly, so in fairness I > >>> should be paying lower prices than those listed for this work. At > >>> present the only compensation I get is not being asked, "How are you?" > >>> by a complete stranger. This is a sigificant incentive to DIY, but IMO > >>> it still doesn't cover the work involved in all the scanning, weighing, > >>> paying and change collecting I am now required to do.
> >> I think your mistake here is in assuming that there's a correct price > >> for goods. There isn't. There is merely the price you're being asked to > >> pay, which you have the choice of accepting or rejecting.
> >> So there's no rationale for saying that you should pay less when using > >> the DIY exits. It's entirely your choice whether you use them.
> >> While I don't doubt that these checkouts have been installed to boost > >> store profits, and not out of some sense of social obligation on the > >> part of the retailer, you're only using time you would have used > >> watching the chekout chick do the work, and the extra exercise is > >> probably good for you.
> > "The Coles near me has replaced its express lane with DIY checkouts".
> And?
> Sylvia.
Please read Horry's posts in its ENTIRETY and IN CONTEXT. ANYONE (even Chriz) can snip a post an make it look different to the original intention.
>>>>>>>> -|erc wrote: >>>>>>>> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 >>>>>>>> on the price tag!
>>>>>>>> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of >>>>>>>> the entire contract, >>>>>>>> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that >>>>>>>> you actually have to pay, >>>>>>>> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
>>>>>>>> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, >>>>>>>> I just tempted myself >>>>>>>> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla >>>>>>>> essense in my Coke and I poured >>>>>>>> it down the sink.
>>>>>>>> Herc >>>>>>> It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people >>>>>>> ultimately pay is a function of how much value they attach to >>>>>>> money. Some people won't intend to apply for the cash back in the >>>>>>> first place. Others may intend to, but not attach sufficient >>>>>>> importance to it actually to get round to it.
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yield_management >>>>>> His complaint is about firms which advertise the post-cashback >>>>>> price as the sticker price. >>>>> He asked what the point was.
>>>>> It's debatable whether it's legal to use the post cashback price as >>>>> the sticker price anyway. The problem, as is so often the case, is >>>>> that the ACCC has bigger fish to fry. >>>> What about grocery prices when the customer takes over the checkout >>>> chick duties? The Coles near me has replaced its express lane with >>>> DIY checkouts, so the choice now for those with only a few items is >>>> between DIY and standing for ages in a loaded-trolleys queue. I am >>>> required to do _unpaid_ work for Coles now to get out quickly, so in >>>> fairness I should be paying lower prices than those listed for this >>>> work. At present the only compensation I get is not being asked, "How >>>> are you?" by a complete stranger. This is a sigificant incentive to >>>> DIY, but IMO it still doesn't cover the work involved in all the >>>> scanning, weighing, paying and change collecting I am now required to >>>> do.
>>> I think your mistake here is in assuming that there's a correct price >>> for goods. There isn't. There is merely the price you're being asked >>> to pay, which you have the choice of accepting or rejecting.
>>> So there's no rationale for saying that you should pay less when using >>> the DIY exits. It's entirely your choice whether you use them.
>>> While I don't doubt that these checkouts have been installed to boost >>> store profits, and not out of some sense of social obligation on the >>> part of the retailer, you're only using time you would have used >>> watching the chekout chick do the work, and the extra exercise is >>> probably good for you.
>> "The Coles near me has replaced its express lane with DIY checkouts".
> And?
"you're only using time you would have used watching the chekout chick do the work"
>>>>>>>>> -|erc wrote: >>>>>>>>> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 >>>>>>>>> on the price tag!
>>>>>>>>> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of >>>>>>>>> the entire contract, >>>>>>>>> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that >>>>>>>>> you actually have to pay, >>>>>>>>> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
>>>>>>>>> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, >>>>>>>>> I just tempted myself >>>>>>>>> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla >>>>>>>>> essense in my Coke and I poured >>>>>>>>> it down the sink.
>>>>>>>>> Herc >>>>>>>> It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people >>>>>>>> ultimately pay is a function of how much value they attach to >>>>>>>> money. Some people won't intend to apply for the cash back in the >>>>>>>> first place. Others may intend to, but not attach sufficient >>>>>>>> importance to it actually to get round to it.
>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yield_management >>>>>>> His complaint is about firms which advertise the post-cashback >>>>>>> price as the sticker price. >>>>>> He asked what the point was.
>>>>>> It's debatable whether it's legal to use the post cashback price as >>>>>> the sticker price anyway. The problem, as is so often the case, is >>>>>> that the ACCC has bigger fish to fry. >>>>> What about grocery prices when the customer takes over the checkout >>>>> chick duties? The Coles near me has replaced its express lane with >>>>> DIY checkouts, so the choice now for those with only a few items is >>>>> between DIY and standing for ages in a loaded-trolleys queue. I am >>>>> required to do _unpaid_ work for Coles now to get out quickly, so in >>>>> fairness I should be paying lower prices than those listed for this >>>>> work. At present the only compensation I get is not being asked, "How >>>>> are you?" by a complete stranger. This is a sigificant incentive to >>>>> DIY, but IMO it still doesn't cover the work involved in all the >>>>> scanning, weighing, paying and change collecting I am now required to >>>>> do.
>>>> I think your mistake here is in assuming that there's a correct price >>>> for goods. There isn't. There is merely the price you're being asked >>>> to pay, which you have the choice of accepting or rejecting.
>>>> So there's no rationale for saying that you should pay less when using >>>> the DIY exits. It's entirely your choice whether you use them.
>>>> While I don't doubt that these checkouts have been installed to boost >>>> store profits, and not out of some sense of social obligation on the >>>> part of the retailer, you're only using time you would have used >>>> watching the chekout chick do the work, and the extra exercise is >>>> probably good for you. >>> "The Coles near me has replaced its express lane with DIY checkouts". >> And?
> "you're only using time you would have used watching the chekout chick do > the work"
David was objecting to having to do the work of the checkout chick. I'm merely observing that he's doing that work during the time he would have otherwise been watching said chick.
Neither DIY checkouts nor express checkouts guarantee that one won't have to wait.
>>>>>> -|erc wrote: >>>>>> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 >>>>>> on the price tag!
>>>>>> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of >>>>>> the entire contract, >>>>>> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that >>>>>> you actually have to pay, >>>>>> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
>>>>>> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, >>>>>> I just tempted myself >>>>>> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla >>>>>> essense in my Coke and I poured >>>>>> it down the sink.
>>>>>> Herc >>>>> It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people >>>>> ultimately pay is a function of how much value they attach to >>>>> money. Some people won't intend to apply for the cash back in the >>>>> first place. Others may intend to, but not attach sufficient >>>>> importance to it actually to get round to it.
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yield_management >>>> His complaint is about firms which advertise the post-cashback >>>> price as the sticker price. >>> He asked what the point was.
>>> It's debatable whether it's legal to use the post cashback price as >>> the sticker price anyway. The problem, as is so often the case, is >>> that the ACCC has bigger fish to fry.
>> What about grocery prices when the customer takes over the checkout >> chick duties? The Coles near me has replaced its express lane with >> DIY checkouts, so the choice now for those with only a few items is >> between DIY and standing for ages in a loaded-trolleys queue. I am >> required to do _unpaid_ work for Coles now to get out quickly, so in >> fairness I should be paying lower prices than those listed for this >> work. At present the only compensation I get is not being asked, >> "How are you?" by a complete stranger. This is a sigificant >> incentive to DIY, but IMO it still doesn't cover the work involved >> in all the scanning, weighing, paying and change collecting I am now >> required to do.
> I think your mistake here is in assuming that there's a correct price > for goods. There isn't. There is merely the price you're being asked > to pay, which you have the choice of accepting or rejecting.
> So there's no rationale for saying that you should pay less when using > the DIY exits. It's entirely your choice whether you use them.
My premise is that one is normally paid for doing work for others. Since customers with loaded trolleys don't have to do the checkout work but those at the DIY checkouts do, it seems reasonable that those at the DIY checkouts be compensated for that work, either by being paid or by paying less for items than those who have their very own Coles employee to do the work.
BTW, can I claim to have been illegally detained by Coles if I have to spend long enough in a queue?
> While I don't doubt that these checkouts have been installed to boost > store profits, and not out of some sense of social obligation on the > part of the retailer, you're only using time you would have used > watching the chekout chick do the work, and the extra exercise is > probably good for you.
By that logic I should do the work of, say, Jim's Mowing, should I employ them to mow my lawn. I pay them to bring the equipment, which I then use to mow my lawn, thereby gaining the benefit of exercise while the poor employee from Jim's is sitting in his vehicle listening to music and getting fat eating a hamburger.
> >>>>>> -|erc wrote: > >>>>>> What is the point of cashback? If something costs $500 put $500 > >>>>>> on the price tag!
> >>>>>> When advertising mobile phones you have to give the full price of > >>>>>> the entire contract, > >>>>>> should be the same with cashback, they should give the price that > >>>>>> you actually have to pay, > >>>>>> not after cashback, that'll put that annoying practice to sleep.
> >>>>>> And what's with vanilla Coke in an identical can to normal Coke, > >>>>>> I just tempted myself > >>>>>> to a can and got a big surprise, some numb nut put vanilla > >>>>>> essense in my Coke and I poured > >>>>>> it down the sink.
> >>>>>> Herc > >>>>> It's a form of yield management, whereby the price people > >>>>> ultimately pay is a function of how much value they attach to > >>>>> money. Some people won't intend to apply for the cash back in the > >>>>> first place. Others may intend to, but not attach sufficient > >>>>> importance to it actually to get round to it.
> >>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yield_management > >>>> His complaint is about firms which advertise the post-cashback > >>>> price as the sticker price. > >>> He asked what the point was.
> >>> It's debatable whether it's legal to use the post cashback price as > >>> the sticker price anyway. The problem, as is so often the case, is > >>> that the ACCC has bigger fish to fry.
> >> What about grocery prices when the customer takes over the checkout > >> chick duties? The Coles near me has replaced its express lane with > >> DIY checkouts, so the choice now for those with only a few items is > >> between DIY and standing for ages in a loaded-trolleys queue. I am > >> required to do _unpaid_ work for Coles now to get out quickly, so in > >> fairness I should be paying lower prices than those listed for this > >> work. At present the only compensation I get is not being asked, > >> "How are you?" by a complete stranger. This is a sigificant > >> incentive to DIY, but IMO it still doesn't cover the work involved > >> in all the scanning, weighing, paying and change collecting I am now > >> required to do.
> > I think your mistake here is in assuming that there's a correct price > > for goods. There isn't. There is merely the price you're being asked > > to pay, which you have the choice of accepting or rejecting.
> > So there's no rationale for saying that you should pay less when using > > the DIY exits. It's entirely your choice whether you use them.
> My premise is that one is normally paid for doing work for others. Since > customers with loaded trolleys don't have to do the checkout work but those at > the DIY checkouts do, it seems reasonable that those at the DIY checkouts be > compensated for that work, either by being paid or by paying less for items than > those who have their very own Coles employee to do the work.
> BTW, can I claim to have been illegally detained by Coles if I have to spend > long enough in a queue?
> > While I don't doubt that these checkouts have been installed to boost > > store profits, and not out of some sense of social obligation on the > > part of the retailer, you're only using time you would have used > > watching the chekout chick do the work, and the extra exercise is > > probably good for you.
> By that logic I should do the work of, say, Jim's Mowing, should I employ them > to mow my lawn. I pay them to bring the equipment, which I then use to mow my > lawn, thereby gaining the benefit of exercise while the poor employee from Jim's > is sitting in his vehicle listening to music and getting fat eating a hamburger.
It may not be music he's listening to. I could be talkback radio instead.
Coach wrote: > On Nov 6, 7:19 am, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote: >> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> While I don't doubt that these checkouts have been installed to >>> boost store profits, and not out of some sense of social obligation >>> on the part of the retailer, you're only using time you would have >>> used watching the chekout chick do the work, and the extra exercise >>> is probably good for you.
>> By that logic I should do the work of, say, Jim's Mowing, should I >> employ them to mow my lawn. I pay them to bring the equipment, which >> I then use to mow my lawn, thereby gaining the benefit of exercise >> while the poor employee from Jim's is sitting in his vehicle >> listening to music and getting fat eating a hamburger.
> It may not be music he's listening to. It could be talkback radio > instead.
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