IF today's Newspoll is correct, Labor has a right to feel a little miffed.
It has been severely punished for two weeks of fumbling about on asylum seekers and is now level pegging with the Coalition which, for the past two years, has been riven by infighting, incompetence and instability. Today, the Opposition still has no clearly defined policy position on the top three issues - climate change, the economy or border protection.
Yet, while Labor's primary vote slumped a massive seven percentage points to 41 per cent, the Coalition's rose by the same amount, also to 41 per cent.
The poll was taken after an almost universal news focus on Rudd's handling of asylum seekers.
It was the first time in a long time the focus has been on the Government and its policy execution, and not the Coalition and its internal machinations.
That should send a message to the rebels within Turnbull's ranks.
For Turnbull, the poll is an obvious and welcome circuit breaker. If anything, it demonstrates as complete rubbish the claims by Wilson Tuckey and other rebels that Turnbull's embrace of climate change and his willingness to negotiate with Labor was what had hurt the Coalition in the polls.
Rudd's inability to bring to an end the stand-off concerning the 78 Sri Lankans aboard the Oceanic Viking has left him exposed to attacks from the centre of incompetence, from the right of being too nice and from the left of being inhumane.
Rudd has been warning publicly for some weeks now the Australian people did not like what they saw and Labor was bracing for a whack. Clearly, the Liberal Party internal research also detected the potency of the issue. Last week in Parliament, the Coalition devoted its every fibre to the issue. The economy, interest rates and house prices were ignored.
But a swing of this size?
"Mate, when we talk about asylum seekers, people don't like it," a Minister said this morning.
We should be further enlightened on Monday next week when the latest monthly Herald/Nielsen poll will be published.
Polls are always snapshots in time, meaning the mood may have shifted by the time we start polling on Thursday night.
If, however, Newspoll has picked the start of a trend - that is the Rudd Government has finally encountered political mortality - there should be some reflection in the Herald poll.
Newspoll captured the whole febrile two weeks of boat people politics but does not gel with two other polls recently released. The Essential Media poll released Monday showed no change in voting intentions but a small majority thought Rudd too soft on boat people.
A Morgan face to face poll on Friday gave Labor a slight lift but this poll only captured the first week of the action.
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Gee, did FlangesBum predict this? Say, where is FlangesBum anyway?
"The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!" - Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity.
"This is the recession we had to have!" - Paul Keating explaining why he gave Australia another Labour recession.
"Silly old bugger!" - Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more.
"By 1990, no child will live in poverty" - Bob Hawke again, desperate to win another election.
"A billion trees ..." - Borke, pissed as a newt again.
"Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor general!" - Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his appointee for Governor General John Kerr.
"SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB CUNT!" - FlangesBum on learning the truth about Labour's economic capabilities.
"I don't care what you fuckers think!" - KRudd the KRude at his finest again.
"We'll just change it all when we get in." - Garrett the carrott
> IF today's Newspoll is correct, Labor has a right to feel a little > miffed.
> It has been severely punished for two weeks of fumbling about on > asylum seekers and is now level pegging with the Coalition which, for > the past two years, has been riven by infighting, incompetence and > instability. Today, the Opposition still has no clearly defined policy > position on the top three issues - climate change, the economy or > border protection.
> Yet, while Labor's primary vote slumped a massive seven percentage > points to 41 per cent, the Coalition's rose by the same amount, also > to 41 per cent.
> The poll was taken after an almost universal news focus on Rudd's > handling of asylum seekers.
> It was the first time in a long time the focus has been on the > Government and its policy execution, and not the Coalition and its > internal machinations.
> That should send a message to the rebels within Turnbull's ranks.
> For Turnbull, the poll is an obvious and welcome circuit breaker. If > anything, it demonstrates as complete rubbish the claims by Wilson > Tuckey and other rebels that Turnbull's embrace of climate change and > his willingness to negotiate with Labor was what had hurt the > Coalition in the polls.
> Rudd's inability to bring to an end the stand-off concerning the 78 > Sri Lankans aboard the Oceanic Viking has left him exposed to attacks > from the centre of incompetence, from the right of being too nice and > from the left of being inhumane.
> Rudd has been warning publicly for some weeks now the Australian > people did not like what they saw and Labor was bracing for a whack. > Clearly, the Liberal Party internal research also detected the potency > of the issue. Last week in Parliament, the Coalition devoted its every > fibre to the issue. The economy, interest rates and house prices were > ignored.
> But a swing of this size?
> "Mate, when we talk about asylum seekers, people don't like it," a > Minister said this morning.
> We should be further enlightened on Monday next week when the latest > monthly Herald/Nielsen poll will be published.
> Polls are always snapshots in time, meaning the mood may have shifted > by the time we start polling on Thursday night.
> If, however, Newspoll has picked the start of a trend - that is the > Rudd Government has finally encountered political mortality - there > should be some reflection in the Herald poll.
> Newspoll captured the whole febrile two weeks of boat people politics > but does not gel with two other polls recently released. The Essential > Media poll released Monday showed no change in voting intentions but a > small majority thought Rudd too soft on boat people.
> A Morgan face to face poll on Friday gave Labor a slight lift but this > poll only captured the first week of the action.
> ======================================
Yay! about bloody time! the honeymoon might finally be over it seems. Krudd his shown his complete incompetence on this issue. Firstly with a flawed policy that opened the floodgates. Secondly with dismantling a faciliy that could have been utilized. And thirdly by having no answer to the situation other than to ask (and pay!) the Indons to help! He has demonstrated to the Australian public that he's not in control.
> Gee, did FlangesBum predict this? Say, where is FlangesBum anyway?
who cares.. Maybe he's organizing a gabfest for Krudd on what to do about the illegals
"Brumby claims police on every corner wouldn't reduce violence, but speed cameras everywhere reduces speeding. Oh, that's right, no revenue in locking up thugs"
"Now that we are seeing the results of the social experiment conducted by Christine Nixon, turning our police force into peace keepers rather than law enforcers, could we please go back to some real policing?"
"I will save water if two things happen: a dam gets built and Labor goes"
"This is where Labour has brought us with border protection- paying Muslims to leave us alone!"
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"I don't care what you f__kers think!" - The Hon Kevin Rudd MP, Prime Minister of Australia
>> IF today's Newspoll is correct, Labor has a right to feel a little >> miffed.
>> It has been severely punished for two weeks of fumbling about on >> asylum seekers and is now level pegging with the Coalition which, for >> the past two years, has been riven by infighting, incompetence and >> instability. Today, the Opposition still has no clearly defined policy >> position on the top three issues - climate change, the economy or >> border protection.
>> Yet, while Labor's primary vote slumped a massive seven percentage >> points to 41 per cent, the Coalition's rose by the same amount, also >> to 41 per cent.
>> The poll was taken after an almost universal news focus on Rudd's >> handling of asylum seekers.
>> It was the first time in a long time the focus has been on the >> Government and its policy execution, and not the Coalition and its >> internal machinations.
>> That should send a message to the rebels within Turnbull's ranks.
>> For Turnbull, the poll is an obvious and welcome circuit breaker. If >> anything, it demonstrates as complete rubbish the claims by Wilson >> Tuckey and other rebels that Turnbull's embrace of climate change and >> his willingness to negotiate with Labor was what had hurt the >> Coalition in the polls.
>> Rudd's inability to bring to an end the stand-off concerning the 78 >> Sri Lankans aboard the Oceanic Viking has left him exposed to attacks >> from the centre of incompetence, from the right of being too nice and >> from the left of being inhumane.
>> Rudd has been warning publicly for some weeks now the Australian >> people did not like what they saw and Labor was bracing for a whack. >> Clearly, the Liberal Party internal research also detected the potency >> of the issue. Last week in Parliament, the Coalition devoted its every >> fibre to the issue. The economy, interest rates and house prices were >> ignored.
>> But a swing of this size?
>> "Mate, when we talk about asylum seekers, people don't like it," a >> Minister said this morning.
>> We should be further enlightened on Monday next week when the latest >> monthly Herald/Nielsen poll will be published.
>> Polls are always snapshots in time, meaning the mood may have shifted >> by the time we start polling on Thursday night.
>> If, however, Newspoll has picked the start of a trend - that is the >> Rudd Government has finally encountered political mortality - there >> should be some reflection in the Herald poll.
>> Newspoll captured the whole febrile two weeks of boat people politics >> but does not gel with two other polls recently released. The Essential >> Media poll released Monday showed no change in voting intentions but a >> small majority thought Rudd too soft on boat people.
>> A Morgan face to face poll on Friday gave Labor a slight lift but this >> poll only captured the first week of the action.
>> ======================================
> Yay! about bloody time! the honeymoon might finally be over it seems. > Krudd his shown his complete incompetence on this issue. Firstly with a > flawed policy that opened the floodgates. Secondly with dismantling a > faciliy that could have been utilized. And thirdly by having no answer > to the situation other than to ask (and pay!) the Indons to help! He has > demonstrated to the Australian public that he's not in control.
KRudd is a complete tool. All hot air and no substance. Things are unravelling now. Wait for a spectacular hissy fit.
>> Gee, did FlangesBum predict this? Say, where is FlangesBum anyway?
> who cares.. Maybe he's organizing a gabfest for Krudd on what to do > about the illegals
All the usual lying leftie labour shills seem to have disappeared. Perhaps its the rising interest rates.
"The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!" - Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity.
"This is the recession we had to have!" - Paul Keating explaining why he gave Australia another Labour recession.
"Silly old bugger!" - Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more.
"By 1990, no child will live in poverty" - Bob Hawke again, desperate to win another election.
"A billion trees ..." - Borke, pissed as a newt again.
"Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor general!" - Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his appointee for Governor General John Kerr.
"SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB CUNT!" - FlangesBum on learning the truth about Labour's economic capabilities.
"I don't care what you fuckers think!" - KRudd the KRude at his finest again.
"We'll just change it all when we get in." - Garrett the carrott
> IF today's Newspoll is correct, Labor has a right to feel a little miffed.
> It has been severely punished for two weeks of fumbling about on asylum seekers > and is now level pegging with the Coalition which, for the past two years, has > been riven by infighting, incompetence and instability. Today, the Opposition > still has no clearly defined policy position on the top three issues - climate > change, the economy or border protection.
> Yet, while Labor's primary vote slumped a massive seven percentage points to 41 > per cent, the Coalition's rose by the same amount, also to 41 per cent.
> The poll was taken after an almost universal news focus on Rudd's handling of > asylum seekers.
> It was the first time in a long time the focus has been on the Government and > its policy execution, and not the Coalition and its internal machinations.
> That should send a message to the rebels within Turnbull's ranks.
> For Turnbull, the poll is an obvious and welcome circuit breaker. If anything, > it demonstrates as complete rubbish the claims by Wilson Tuckey and other rebels > that Turnbull's embrace of climate change and his willingness to negotiate with > Labor was what had hurt the Coalition in the polls.
> Rudd's inability to bring to an end the stand-off concerning the 78 Sri Lankans > aboard the Oceanic Viking has left him exposed to attacks from the centre of > incompetence, from the right of being too nice and from the left of being inhumane.
> Rudd has been warning publicly for some weeks now the Australian people did not > like what they saw and Labor was bracing for a whack. Clearly, the Liberal Party > internal research also detected the potency of the issue. Last week in > Parliament, the Coalition devoted its every fibre to the issue. The economy, > interest rates and house prices were ignored.
> But a swing of this size?
> "Mate, when we talk about asylum seekers, people don't like it," a Minister said > this morning.
> We should be further enlightened on Monday next week when the latest monthly > Herald/Nielsen poll will be published.
> Polls are always snapshots in time, meaning the mood may have shifted by the > time we start polling on Thursday night.
> If, however, Newspoll has picked the start of a trend - that is the Rudd > Government has finally encountered political mortality - there should be some > reflection in the Herald poll.
> Newspoll captured the whole febrile two weeks of boat people politics but does > not gel with two other polls recently released. The Essential Media poll > released Monday showed no change in voting intentions but a small majority > thought Rudd too soft on boat people.
> A Morgan face to face poll on Friday gave Labor a slight lift but this poll only > captured the first week of the action.
> ======================================
> Gee, did FlangesBum predict this? Say, where is FlangesBum anyway?
> "The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!" > - Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity.
> "This is the recession we had to have!" > - Paul Keating explaining why he gave Australia another Labour recession.
> "Silly old bugger!" > - Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke > responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more.
> "By 1990, no child will live in poverty" > - Bob Hawke again, desperate to win another election.
> "A billion trees ..." > - Borke, pissed as a newt again.
> "Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor > general!" > - Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his > appointee for Governor General John Kerr.
> "SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB CUNT!" > - FlangesBum on learning the truth about Labour's economic capabilities.
> "I don't care what you fuckers think!" > - KRudd the KRude at his finest again.
> "We'll just change it all when we get in." > - Garrett the carrott
# The polls only ask the questions : which party folk will vote for, and who is preferred PM - they don't ask WHY. Hence, it is speculation as to reason for switch of allegiance, unless a supplementary question is put. But these surveys are a sample, not a census; hence any response as to WHY tends to be specific to person, not general - maybe? Such supplementary could still have list of possibilities, in check-box format. Then only "Other" would need to be written in.
> IF today's Newspoll is correct, Labor has a right to feel a little > miffed.
That's the operative word here: IF.
> It has been severely punished for two weeks of fumbling about on asylum > seekers and is now level pegging with the Coalition which, for the past > two years, has been riven by infighting, incompetence and instability. > Today, the Opposition still has no clearly defined policy position on > the top three issues - climate change, the economy or border protection.
And according to Martin O'Shannessy from Newspoll, most of the swing supposedly came from the under 50 age bracket. That's weird, because apparently it's the over 50 age bracket that's most hostile to asylum seekers.
> Yet, while Labor's primary vote slumped a massive seven percentage > points to 41 per cent, the Coalition's rose by the same amount, also to > 41 per cent.
That too is a bit weird. You would expect the ALP to lose a few votes to the Greens, for basically resurrecting the Pacific Solution as the Indonesian Solution. But no, the Greens have remained rock steady at 10%. So has the Other category. The ALP's primary has bled directly to the Coalition, which is unusual.
> We should be further enlightened on Monday next week when the latest > monthly Herald/Nielsen poll will be published.
Indeed. A single poll is meaningless. That's because even if a polling company does everything right, they can still get a result that's just whacky sometimes. It's what they call an "outlier", and it's the statistical equivalent of static on a radar screen.
> Polls are always snapshots in time, meaning the mood may have shifted by > the time we start polling on Thursday night.
> If, however, Newspoll has picked the start of a trend - that is the Rudd > Government has finally encountered political mortality - there should be > some reflection in the Herald poll.
Exactly. In the mean time, yet another reason I will be taking this survey result with a grain of salt, is because ....
> Newspoll captured the whole febrile two weeks of boat people politics > but does not gel with two other polls recently released. The Essential > Media poll released Monday showed no change in voting intentions but a > small majority thought Rudd too soft on boat people.
> A Morgan face to face poll on Friday gave Labor a slight lift but this > poll only captured the first week of the action.
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:48:52 GMT, netvegetable <notrealem...@all.com> wrote: >> It has been severely punished for two weeks of fumbling about on asylum >> seekers and is now level pegging with the Coalition which, for the past >> two years, has been riven by infighting, incompetence and instability. >> Today, the Opposition still has no clearly defined policy position on >> the top three issues - climate change, the economy or border protection.
>And according to Martin O'Shannessy from Newspoll, most of the swing >supposedly came from the under 50 age bracket. That's weird, because >apparently it's the over 50 age bracket that's most hostile to asylum >seekers.
Krudd the Dud wrote: > On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:48:52 GMT, netvegetable <notrealem...@all.com> wrote:
>>> It has been severely punished for two weeks of fumbling about on asylum >>> seekers and is now level pegging with the Coalition which, for the past >>> two years, has been riven by infighting, incompetence and instability. >>> Today, the Opposition still has no clearly defined policy position on >>> the top three issues - climate change, the economy or border protection. >> And according to Martin O'Shannessy from Newspoll, most of the swing >> supposedly came from the under 50 age bracket. That's weird, because >> apparently it's the over 50 age bracket that's most hostile to asylum >> seekers.
"The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!" - Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity.
"This is the recession we had to have!" - Paul Keating explaining why he gave Australia another Labour recession.
"Silly old bugger!" - Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more.
"By 1990, no child will live in poverty" - Bob Hawke again, desperate to win another election.
"A billion trees ..." - Borke, pissed as a newt again.
"Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor general!" - Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his appointee for Governor General John Kerr.
"SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB CUNT!" - FlangesBum on learning the truth about Labour's economic capabilities.
"I don't care what you fuckers think!" - KRudd the KRude at his finest again.
"We'll just change it all when we get in." - Garrett the carrott
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:40:20 +1100, Krudd the Dud wrote: > On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:48:52 GMT, netvegetable <notrealem...@all.com> > wrote:
>>> It has been severely punished for two weeks of fumbling about on >>> asylum seekers and is now level pegging with the Coalition which, for >>> the past two years, has been riven by infighting, incompetence and >>> instability. Today, the Opposition still has no clearly defined policy >>> position on the top three issues - climate change, the economy or >>> border protection.
>>And according to Martin O'Shannessy from Newspoll, most of the swing >>supposedly came from the under 50 age bracket. That's weird, because >>apparently it's the over 50 age bracket that's most hostile to asylum >>seekers.
> Why do you say that?
Look at the age spread in previous polls by Newspoll.
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