AN outspoken Kiwi politician has proposed a new solution to the country's child abuse problem - pay the "appalling underclass" not to breed.
Michael Laws - who stirred up controversy by calling the late Tongan King a "bloated brown slug'' - has again hit the headlines.
"That there is a group within our society who give their children no hope nor opportunity from the moment that they are born," the regional mayor wrote on the New Zealand radio website where he broadcasts as a talkback DJ.
"That these ‘parents’ are known to authorities ... and yet the authorities can only intervene after children have been harmed."
Mr Laws goes on to write: "it would be far better for this appalling underclass to be offered financial inducements not to have children, given the toxic environment that they would provide for any child in their care."
The mayor believes "the consequent financial and social savings to our community would be considerable.
"There are too many people who should not have children."
Yesterday's Dominion-Post newspaper quotes him as saying: "If we gave $10,000 to certain people and said 'we'll voluntarily sterilise you' then all of society would be better off,'' he told the .
"There'd be less dead children and less social problems.''
He was commenting on the latest death of a toddler, two-year-old Karl Perigo-Check, who was the son of a convicted murderer and gang member.
New Zealand is placed third among OECD nations for child deaths due to maltreatment, four spots ahead of Australia, according to UNICEF.
It is ranked fifth for both child beatings and sexual abuse, again several places ahead of its antipodean neighbour.
Mr Laws argued that "liberal methods'' of beating the problem had failed.
But his "solution'' has been branded "draconian'' and "totalitarian'' by the country's child health advocates who are calling for him to stand down as a city mayor.
"I just find it such a disgraceful attitude,'' Child Poverty Action Group director Janfrie Wakim said.
"It's hard to comprehend that an intelligent man who's leading a city is making such reprehensible suggestions.''
This is just the latest controversy for Mr Laws, who last month hit headlines for bullying primary school children.
The indigenous children had written to the mayor to express annoyance that he refused to make a subtle spelling change to the name of the North Island town, Wanganui, to make it historically correct.
But Laws, a fierce critic of the name change, took exception to the letters, replying: "There are so many deficiencies of both fact and logic in your letters that I barely know where to start''.
He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they write to him.
> AN outspoken Kiwi politician has proposed a new solution to the > country's child abuse problem - pay the "appalling underclass" not to > breed.
> Michael Laws - who stirred up controversy by calling the late Tongan > King a "bloated brown slug'' - has again hit the headlines.
> "That there is a group within our society who give their children no > hope nor opportunity from the moment that they are born," the regional > mayor wrote on the New Zealand radio website where he broadcasts as a > talkback DJ.
> "That these ‘parents’ are known to authorities ... and yet the > authorities can only intervene after children have been harmed."
> Mr Laws goes on to write: "it would be far better for this appalling > underclass to be offered financial inducements not to have children, > given the toxic environment that they would provide for any child in > their care."
> The mayor believes "the consequent financial and social savings to our > community would be considerable.
> "There are too many people who should not have children."
> Yesterday's Dominion-Post newspaper quotes him as saying: "If we gave > $10,000 to certain people and said 'we'll voluntarily sterilise you' > then all of society would be better off,'' he told the .
> "There'd be less dead children and less social problems.''
> He was commenting on the latest death of a toddler, two-year-old Karl > Perigo-Check, who was the son of a convicted murderer and gang member.
> New Zealand is placed third among OECD nations for child deaths due to > maltreatment, four spots ahead of Australia, according to UNICEF.
> It is ranked fifth for both child beatings and sexual abuse, again > several places ahead of its antipodean neighbour.
> Mr Laws argued that "liberal methods'' of beating the problem had > failed.
> But his "solution'' has been branded "draconian'' and "totalitarian'' > by the country's child health advocates who are calling for him to > stand down as a city mayor.
> "I just find it such a disgraceful attitude,'' Child Poverty Action > Group director Janfrie Wakim said.
> "It's hard to comprehend that an intelligent man who's leading a city > is making such reprehensible suggestions.''
> This is just the latest controversy for Mr Laws, who last month hit > headlines for bullying primary school children.
> The indigenous children had written to the mayor to express annoyance > that he refused to make a subtle spelling change to the name of the > North Island town, Wanganui, to make it historically correct.
> But Laws, a fierce critic of the name change, took exception to the > letters, replying: "There are so many deficiencies of both fact and > logic in your letters that I barely know where to start''.
> He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they write > to him.
> AAB
And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the money back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of getting the cash.
>> AN outspoken Kiwi politician has proposed a new solution to the >> country's child abuse problem - pay the "appalling underclass" not to >> breed.
>> Michael Laws - who stirred up controversy by calling the late Tongan >> King a "bloated brown slug'' - has again hit the headlines.
>> "That there is a group within our society who give their children no >> hope nor opportunity from the moment that they are born," the regional >> mayor wrote on the New Zealand radio website where he broadcasts as a >> talkback DJ.
>> "That these ‘parents’ are known to authorities ... and yet the >> authorities can only intervene after children have been harmed."
>> Mr Laws goes on to write: "it would be far better for this appalling >> underclass to be offered financial inducements not to have children, >> given the toxic environment that they would provide for any child in >> their care."
>> The mayor believes "the consequent financial and social savings to our >> community would be considerable.
>> "There are too many people who should not have children."
>> Yesterday's Dominion-Post newspaper quotes him as saying: "If we gave >> $10,000 to certain people and said 'we'll voluntarily sterilise you' >> then all of society would be better off,'' he told the .
>> "There'd be less dead children and less social problems.''
>> He was commenting on the latest death of a toddler, two-year-old Karl >> Perigo-Check, who was the son of a convicted murderer and gang member.
>> New Zealand is placed third among OECD nations for child deaths due to >> maltreatment, four spots ahead of Australia, according to UNICEF.
>> It is ranked fifth for both child beatings and sexual abuse, again >> several places ahead of its antipodean neighbour.
>> Mr Laws argued that "liberal methods'' of beating the problem had >> failed.
>> But his "solution'' has been branded "draconian'' and "totalitarian'' >> by the country's child health advocates who are calling for him to >> stand down as a city mayor.
>> "I just find it such a disgraceful attitude,'' Child Poverty Action >> Group director Janfrie Wakim said.
>> "It's hard to comprehend that an intelligent man who's leading a city >> is making such reprehensible suggestions.''
>> This is just the latest controversy for Mr Laws, who last month hit >> headlines for bullying primary school children.
>> The indigenous children had written to the mayor to express annoyance >> that he refused to make a subtle spelling change to the name of the >> North Island town, Wanganui, to make it historically correct.
>> But Laws, a fierce critic of the name change, took exception to the >> letters, replying: "There are so many deficiencies of both fact and >> logic in your letters that I barely know where to start''.
>> He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they write >> to him.
>> AAB
> And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the money > back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of getting the > cash.
>>> AN outspoken Kiwi politician has proposed a new solution to the >>> country's child abuse problem - pay the "appalling underclass" not to >>> breed.
>>> Michael Laws - who stirred up controversy by calling the late Tongan >>> King a "bloated brown slug'' - has again hit the headlines.
>>> "That there is a group within our society who give their children no >>> hope nor opportunity from the moment that they are born," the regional >>> mayor wrote on the New Zealand radio website where he broadcasts as a >>> talkback DJ.
>>> "That these ‘parents’ are known to authorities ... and yet the >>> authorities can only intervene after children have been harmed."
>>> Mr Laws goes on to write: "it would be far better for this appalling >>> underclass to be offered financial inducements not to have children, >>> given the toxic environment that they would provide for any child in >>> their care."
>>> The mayor believes "the consequent financial and social savings to our >>> community would be considerable.
>>> "There are too many people who should not have children."
>>> Yesterday's Dominion-Post newspaper quotes him as saying: "If we gave >>> $10,000 to certain people and said 'we'll voluntarily sterilise you' >>> then all of society would be better off,'' he told the .
>>> "There'd be less dead children and less social problems.''
>>> He was commenting on the latest death of a toddler, two-year-old Karl >>> Perigo-Check, who was the son of a convicted murderer and gang member.
>>> New Zealand is placed third among OECD nations for child deaths due to >>> maltreatment, four spots ahead of Australia, according to UNICEF.
>>> It is ranked fifth for both child beatings and sexual abuse, again >>> several places ahead of its antipodean neighbour.
>>> Mr Laws argued that "liberal methods'' of beating the problem had >>> failed.
>>> But his "solution'' has been branded "draconian'' and "totalitarian'' >>> by the country's child health advocates who are calling for him to >>> stand down as a city mayor.
>>> "I just find it such a disgraceful attitude,'' Child Poverty Action >>> Group director Janfrie Wakim said.
>>> "It's hard to comprehend that an intelligent man who's leading a city >>> is making such reprehensible suggestions.''
>>> This is just the latest controversy for Mr Laws, who last month hit >>> headlines for bullying primary school children.
>>> The indigenous children had written to the mayor to express annoyance >>> that he refused to make a subtle spelling change to the name of the >>> North Island town, Wanganui, to make it historically correct.
>>> But Laws, a fierce critic of the name change, took exception to the >>> letters, replying: "There are so many deficiencies of both fact and >>> logic in your letters that I barely know where to start''.
>>> He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they write >>> to him.
>>> AAB >> And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the money >> back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of getting the >> cash.
>>>> AN outspoken Kiwi politician has proposed a new solution to the >>>> country's child abuse problem - pay the "appalling underclass" not >>>> to breed.
>>>> Michael Laws - who stirred up controversy by calling the late >>>> Tongan King a "bloated brown slug'' - has again hit the headlines.
>>>> "That there is a group within our society who give their children >>>> no hope nor opportunity from the moment that they are born," the >>>> regional mayor wrote on the New Zealand radio website where he >>>> broadcasts as a talkback DJ.
>>>> "That these 'parents' are known to authorities ... and yet the >>>> authorities can only intervene after children have been harmed."
>>>> Mr Laws goes on to write: "it would be far better for this >>>> appalling underclass to be offered financial inducements not to >>>> have children, given the toxic environment that they would provide >>>> for any child in their care."
>>>> The mayor believes "the consequent financial and social savings to >>>> our community would be considerable.
>>>> "There are too many people who should not have children."
>>>> Yesterday's Dominion-Post newspaper quotes him as saying: "If we >>>> gave $10,000 to certain people and said 'we'll voluntarily >>>> sterilise you' then all of society would be better off,'' he told >>>> the . "There'd be less dead children and less social problems.''
>>>> He was commenting on the latest death of a toddler, two-year-old >>>> Karl Perigo-Check, who was the son of a convicted murderer and >>>> gang member. New Zealand is placed third among OECD nations for child >>>> deaths >>>> due to maltreatment, four spots ahead of Australia, according to >>>> UNICEF. It is ranked fifth for both child beatings and sexual abuse, again >>>> several places ahead of its antipodean neighbour.
>>>> Mr Laws argued that "liberal methods'' of beating the problem had >>>> failed.
>>>> But his "solution'' has been branded "draconian'' and >>>> "totalitarian'' by the country's child health advocates who are >>>> calling for him to stand down as a city mayor.
>>>> "I just find it such a disgraceful attitude,'' Child Poverty Action >>>> Group director Janfrie Wakim said.
>>>> "It's hard to comprehend that an intelligent man who's leading a >>>> city is making such reprehensible suggestions.''
>>>> This is just the latest controversy for Mr Laws, who last month hit >>>> headlines for bullying primary school children.
>>>> The indigenous children had written to the mayor to express >>>> annoyance that he refused to make a subtle spelling change to the >>>> name of the North Island town, Wanganui, to make it historically >>>> correct. But Laws, a fierce critic of the name change, took exception to >>>> the >>>> letters, replying: "There are so many deficiencies of both fact and >>>> logic in your letters that I barely know where to start''.
>>>> He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they >>>> write to him.
>>>> AAB >>> And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the >>> money back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of >>> getting the cash.
>> "'we'll voluntarily sterilise you'"
>> PLEASE READ.
> Can be undone.
It depends on how it is done. I can certainly think of some irreversible, if rather brutal, means of sterilization.
>>>>> AN outspoken Kiwi politician has proposed a new solution to the >>>>> country's child abuse problem - pay the "appalling underclass" not >>>>> to breed.
>>>>> Michael Laws - who stirred up controversy by calling the late >>>>> Tongan King a "bloated brown slug'' - has again hit the headlines.
>>>>> "That there is a group within our society who give their children >>>>> no hope nor opportunity from the moment that they are born," the >>>>> regional mayor wrote on the New Zealand radio website where he >>>>> broadcasts as a talkback DJ.
>>>>> "That these 'parents' are known to authorities ... and yet the >>>>> authorities can only intervene after children have been harmed."
>>>>> Mr Laws goes on to write: "it would be far better for this >>>>> appalling underclass to be offered financial inducements not to >>>>> have children, given the toxic environment that they would provide >>>>> for any child in their care."
>>>>> The mayor believes "the consequent financial and social savings to >>>>> our community would be considerable.
>>>>> "There are too many people who should not have children."
>>>>> Yesterday's Dominion-Post newspaper quotes him as saying: "If we >>>>> gave $10,000 to certain people and said 'we'll voluntarily >>>>> sterilise you' then all of society would be better off,'' he told >>>>> the . "There'd be less dead children and less social problems.''
>>>>> He was commenting on the latest death of a toddler, two-year-old >>>>> Karl Perigo-Check, who was the son of a convicted murderer and >>>>> gang member. New Zealand is placed third among OECD nations for child >>>>> deaths >>>>> due to maltreatment, four spots ahead of Australia, according to >>>>> UNICEF. It is ranked fifth for both child beatings and sexual abuse, again >>>>> several places ahead of its antipodean neighbour.
>>>>> Mr Laws argued that "liberal methods'' of beating the problem had >>>>> failed.
>>>>> But his "solution'' has been branded "draconian'' and >>>>> "totalitarian'' by the country's child health advocates who are >>>>> calling for him to stand down as a city mayor.
>>>>> "I just find it such a disgraceful attitude,'' Child Poverty Action >>>>> Group director Janfrie Wakim said.
>>>>> "It's hard to comprehend that an intelligent man who's leading a >>>>> city is making such reprehensible suggestions.''
>>>>> This is just the latest controversy for Mr Laws, who last month hit >>>>> headlines for bullying primary school children.
>>>>> The indigenous children had written to the mayor to express >>>>> annoyance that he refused to make a subtle spelling change to the >>>>> name of the North Island town, Wanganui, to make it historically >>>>> correct. But Laws, a fierce critic of the name change, took exception to >>>>> the >>>>> letters, replying: "There are so many deficiencies of both fact and >>>>> logic in your letters that I barely know where to start''.
>>>>> He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they >>>>> write to him.
>>>>> AAB >>>> And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the >>>> money back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of >>>> getting the cash. >>> "'we'll voluntarily sterilise you'"
>>> PLEASE READ. >> Can be undone.
> It depends on how it is done. I can certainly think of some irreversible, if > rather brutal, means of sterilization.
That's true, but somehow I doubt that that's what the proponent has in mind.
> >>> AN outspoken Kiwi politician has proposed a new solution to the > >>> country's child abuse problem - pay the "appalling underclass" not to > >>> breed.
> >>> Michael Laws - who stirred up controversy by calling the late Tongan > >>> King a "bloated brown slug'' - has again hit the headlines.
> >>> "That there is a group within our society who give their children no > >>> hope nor opportunity from the moment that they are born," the regional > >>> mayor wrote on the New Zealand radio website where he broadcasts as a > >>> talkback DJ.
> >>> "That these ‘parents’ are known to authorities ... and yet the > >>> authorities can only intervene after children have been harmed."
> >>> Mr Laws goes on to write: "it would be far better for this appalling > >>> underclass to be offered financial inducements not to have children, > >>> given the toxic environment that they would provide for any child in > >>> their care."
> >>> The mayor believes "the consequent financial and social savings to our > >>> community would be considerable.
> >>> "There are too many people who should not have children."
> >>> Yesterday's Dominion-Post newspaper quotes him as saying: "If we gave > >>> $10,000 to certain people and said 'we'll voluntarily sterilise you' > >>> then all of society would be better off,'' he told the .
> >>> "There'd be less dead children and less social problems.''
> >>> He was commenting on the latest death of a toddler, two-year-old Karl > >>> Perigo-Check, who was the son of a convicted murderer and gang member.
> >>> New Zealand is placed third among OECD nations for child deaths due to > >>> maltreatment, four spots ahead of Australia, according to UNICEF.
> >>> It is ranked fifth for both child beatings and sexual abuse, again > >>> several places ahead of its antipodean neighbour.
> >>> Mr Laws argued that "liberal methods'' of beating the problem had > >>> failed.
> >>> But his "solution'' has been branded "draconian'' and "totalitarian'' > >>> by the country's child health advocates who are calling for him to > >>> stand down as a city mayor.
> >>> "I just find it such a disgraceful attitude,'' Child Poverty Action > >>> Group director Janfrie Wakim said.
> >>> "It's hard to comprehend that an intelligent man who's leading a city > >>> is making such reprehensible suggestions.''
> >>> This is just the latest controversy for Mr Laws, who last month hit > >>> headlines for bullying primary school children.
> >>> The indigenous children had written to the mayor to express annoyance > >>> that he refused to make a subtle spelling change to the name of the > >>> North Island town, Wanganui, to make it historically correct.
> >>> But Laws, a fierce critic of the name change, took exception to the > >>> letters, replying: "There are so many deficiencies of both fact and > >>> logic in your letters that I barely know where to start''.
> >>> He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they write > >>> to him.
> >>> AAB > >> And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the money > >> back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of getting the > >> cash.
> > "'we'll voluntarily sterilise you'"
> > PLEASE READ.
> Can be undone.
> Sylvia.
And the backpedalling begins. Why can't you simply say that you didn't read the post fully? That's what I always do.
> AN outspoken Kiwi politician has proposed a new solution to the > country's child abuse problem - pay the "appalling underclass" not to > breed.
> Michael Laws - who stirred up controversy by calling the late Tongan > King a "bloated brown slug'' - has again hit the headlines.
> "That there is a group within our society who give their children no > hope nor opportunity from the moment that they are born," the regional > mayor wrote on the New Zealand radio website where he broadcasts as a > talkback DJ.
> "That these ‘parents’ are known to authorities ... and yet the > authorities can only intervene after children have been harmed."
> Mr Laws goes on to write: "it would be far better for this appalling > underclass to be offered financial inducements not to have children, > given the toxic environment that they would provide for any child in > their care."
> The mayor believes "the consequent financial and social savings to our > community would be considerable.
> "There are too many people who should not have children."
He has a good point, but a single lead injection to the back of the head of the apalling underclasses is both cheaper and guaranteed to be permanent.
Harawira's angry email over Paris trip Updated 10:00AM Friday Nov 06, 2009 By Maggie Tait
Maori MP Hone Harawira has reacted to an email criticising him for bunking off a work trip to visit Paris, by lashing out at white people.
In an email exchange released to Radio New Zealand, Mr Harawira accused "white motherf.******" of "puritanical bullsh**" for expecting him to follow the rules.
Prime Minister John Key has labelled the remarks "deeply offensive" but he says it is up to Maori Party leadership to deal with it.
Already this morning Maori Party co-leader Tariana Turia expressed concerns his unscheduled side trip to Paris during a taxpayer-funded work trip last month would damage the party's reputation.
Mrs Turia did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the email.
Mr Harawira skipped a meeting in Brussels so he and his wife Hilda could spend a day in Paris. He paid for the extra travel himself.
Mr Mikaere, who runs a consulting company, emailed Mr Harawira a two sentence message: "Gotta ask the question eh? who's paying for Hilda?"
"White motherf****** have been raping our lands and ripping us off for centuries and all of a sudden you want me to play along with their puritanical bullsh**."
Mr Harawira then went on to say how much time and energy he put into fighting for Maori and what a big role his wife Hilda played in that.
"And quite frankly I don't give a sh** what you or anyone else thinks about it. OK?"
That made Mr Mikaere angry and he wrote back again.
"... you're no better than that w***er Rodney Hide and the white mofos you complain about," Mr Mikaere wrote, referring to Mr Hide's actions in taking his partner on an overseas ministerial trip despite the Prime Minister John Key's direction against the practice.
"And get off your moral high horse while you're at it - nobody forced you to be an MP."
Mr Mikaere told NZPA the Maori Party would no longer be getting his vote. He said Mr Harawira was not fit to be an MP and should resign.
Mr Harawira was already in hot water with Speaker Lockwood Smith saying he may have to pay back some of the trip's overall cost and Mrs Turia revealing she had been led to believe the reason he skipped the meeting was illness.
"I'm very concerned, my understanding was he was ill over in Brussels but it would appear... that he went off to Paris for a trip, that it was quite a deliberate thing," she told Radio New Zealand.
"The worry for me is that Hone was the leader of that delegation and I guess that what we are going to be questioned about in future, in terms of any trips overseas, is that `can we give a guarantee that this won't happen again, it happened in Australia?' And with hand over heart I don't think we can give that guarantee."
In 2007 Mr Harawira was told to pay back some flights after he left mid-way through a four-day select committee trip to Melbourne, so he could visit Aboriginal groups in Alice Springs.
Mrs Turia was concerned about public perceptions and how Mr Harawira's actions would reflect on the party.
"All of us have to be really conscious as to the perception that's created as to how we use public funds, the public doesn't actually fund us to go on holidays and to have a look around and that's the reality."
Mr Harawira has been unrepentant about his actions, saying he missed nothing by skipping the meeting as he had already met those attending the meeting and discussed issues with them.
He did not think he should have to pay back any money and was glad he had undertaken the side trip, saying it would have been "dumb" not to visit such a wonderful city.
The other two MPs in the delegation, National MP Katrina Shanks and Labour MP Rajen Prasad, attended the meeting, which discussed relations between the EU and New Zealand, family and youth policies and multiculturalism.
On Nov 6, 11:08 am, "Clocky" <nice...@migo.com> wrote:
> He has a good point, but a single lead injection to the back of the head of > the apalling underclasses is both cheaper and guaranteed to be permanent.
Reminds me of this filthy rich dork from the 60's called John Lennon who trolled what uppity Americans call Fat White Trash so mercilessly, one of them gunned him down.
One of this better known tunes, "Imagine there's no New Zealand," painted an horrific scenario where what if we woke up one morning and not even our very own "White Trash" had anyone to look down upon.
Ironically, in the end all his loot went to some Thai hooker, Yuko Uno, he met in an illegal casino, who never bought into any of his insipid hippy bullshit.
Sylvia Else wrote: > Awesome Bro n Co wrote: >> But who'd be left?
>> He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they write >> to him.
>> AAB
> And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the money > back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of getting the > cash.
> Sylvia.
There is the very reason it should be implemented syliva you didn't comprehend payment after the op
atec 7 7 wrote: > Sylvia Else wrote: >> Awesome Bro n Co wrote: >>> But who'd be left?
>>> He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they write >>> to him.
>>> AAB
>> And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the money >> back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of getting >> the cash.
>> Sylvia.
> There is the very reason it should be implemented syliva > you didn't comprehend payment after the op
It's true I missed that bit in my scan - the article title was after all "Pay problem parents not to breed" not "Pay problem parents to be sterilised."
I can see difficulties arising where people deliberately abuse their children (or make it appear that they are) so as to get the cash when they don't want any more children anyway.
> Sylvia Else wrote: > > Awesome Bro n Co wrote: > >> But who'd be left?
> >> He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they write > >> to him.
> >> AAB
> > And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the money > > back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of getting the > > cash.
> > Sylvia.
> There is the very reason it should be implemented syliva > you didn't comprehend payment after the op
Fuck off back to wherever you came from, this is a RUGBY news group.
northshoreguynz wrote: > On Nov 6, 3:04 pm, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Sylvia Else wrote: >>> Awesome Bro n Co wrote: >>>> But who'd be left?
>>>> He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they >>>> write to him.
>>>> AAB
>>> And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the >>> money back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of >>> getting the cash.
>>> Sylvia.
>> There is the very reason it should be implemented syliva >> you didn't comprehend payment after the op
> Fuck off back to wherever you came from, this is a RUGBY news group.
You've also posted that to a rugby league newsgroup, where they might object to being described as a RUGBY newsgroup.
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:11:24 -0800, northshoreguynz wrote: > On Nov 6, 3:04 pm, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Sylvia Else wrote: >> > Awesome Bro n Co wrote: >> >> But who'd be left?
>> >> He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they >> >> write to him.
>> >> AAB
>> > And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the money >> > back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of getting >> > the cash.
>> > Sylvia.
>> There is the very reason it should be implemented syliva >> you didn't comprehend payment after the op
> Fuck off back to wherever you came from, this is a RUGBY news group.
> northshoreguynz wrote: >> On Nov 6, 3:04 pm, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> Sylvia Else wrote: >>>> Awesome Bro n Co wrote: >>>>> But who'd be left?
>>>>> He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they >>>>> write to him.
>>>>> AAB
>>>> And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the >>>> money back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of >>>> getting the cash.
>>>> Sylvia.
>>> There is the very reason it should be implemented syliva >>> you didn't comprehend payment after the op
>> Fuck off back to wherever you came from, this is a RUGBY news group.
> You've also posted that to a rugby league newsgroup, where they might > object to being described as a RUGBY newsgroup.
Or in fact having any association at any level with a game which is effectively foreplay to a group of men getting into a bath together naked.
>>>> AN outspoken Kiwi politician has proposed a new solution to the >>>> country's child abuse problem - pay the "appalling underclass" not to >>>> breed.
>>>> Michael Laws - who stirred up controversy by calling the late Tongan >>>> King a "bloated brown slug'' - has again hit the headlines.
>>>> "That there is a group within our society who give their children no >>>> hope nor opportunity from the moment that they are born," the regional >>>> mayor wrote on the New Zealand radio website where he broadcasts as a >>>> talkback DJ.
>>>> "That these 'parents' are known to authorities ... and yet the >>>> authorities can only intervene after children have been harmed."
>>>> Mr Laws goes on to write: "it would be far better for this appalling >>>> underclass to be offered financial inducements not to have children, >>>> given the toxic environment that they would provide for any child in >>>> their care."
>>>> The mayor believes "the consequent financial and social savings to our >>>> community would be considerable.
>>>> "There are too many people who should not have children."
>>>> Yesterday's Dominion-Post newspaper quotes him as saying: "If we gave >>>> $10,000 to certain people and said 'we'll voluntarily sterilise you' >>>> then all of society would be better off,'' he told the .
>>>> "There'd be less dead children and less social problems.''
>>>> He was commenting on the latest death of a toddler, two-year-old Karl >>>> Perigo-Check, who was the son of a convicted murderer and gang member.
>>>> New Zealand is placed third among OECD nations for child deaths due to >>>> maltreatment, four spots ahead of Australia, according to UNICEF.
>>>> It is ranked fifth for both child beatings and sexual abuse, again >>>> several places ahead of its antipodean neighbour.
>>>> Mr Laws argued that "liberal methods'' of beating the problem had >>>> failed.
>>>> But his "solution'' has been branded "draconian'' and "totalitarian'' >>>> by the country's child health advocates who are calling for him to >>>> stand down as a city mayor.
>>>> "I just find it such a disgraceful attitude,'' Child Poverty Action >>>> Group director Janfrie Wakim said.
>>>> "It's hard to comprehend that an intelligent man who's leading a city >>>> is making such reprehensible suggestions.''
>>>> This is just the latest controversy for Mr Laws, who last month hit >>>> headlines for bullying primary school children.
>>>> The indigenous children had written to the mayor to express annoyance >>>> that he refused to make a subtle spelling change to the name of the >>>> North Island town, Wanganui, to make it historically correct.
>>>> But Laws, a fierce critic of the name change, took exception to the >>>> letters, replying: "There are so many deficiencies of both fact and >>>> logic in your letters that I barely know where to start''.
>>>> He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they write >>>> to him.
>>>> AAB >>> And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the money >>> back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of getting the >>> cash.
>> "'we'll voluntarily sterilise you'"
>> PLEASE READ.
> Can be undone.
> Sylvia.
That's right, Sylv. The bloke just goes to the nearest landfill, finds his nuts and puts them back in the sack. More kiddies in no time.
>>>>> AN outspoken Kiwi politician has proposed a new solution to the >>>>> country's child abuse problem - pay the "appalling underclass" not to >>>>> breed.
>>>>> Michael Laws - who stirred up controversy by calling the late Tongan >>>>> King a "bloated brown slug'' - has again hit the headlines.
>>>>> "That there is a group within our society who give their children no >>>>> hope nor opportunity from the moment that they are born," the regional >>>>> mayor wrote on the New Zealand radio website where he broadcasts as a >>>>> talkback DJ.
>>>>> "That these 'parents' are known to authorities ... and yet the >>>>> authorities can only intervene after children have been harmed."
>>>>> Mr Laws goes on to write: "it would be far better for this appalling >>>>> underclass to be offered financial inducements not to have children, >>>>> given the toxic environment that they would provide for any child in >>>>> their care."
>>>>> The mayor believes "the consequent financial and social savings to our >>>>> community would be considerable.
>>>>> "There are too many people who should not have children."
>>>>> Yesterday's Dominion-Post newspaper quotes him as saying: "If we gave >>>>> $10,000 to certain people and said 'we'll voluntarily sterilise you' >>>>> then all of society would be better off,'' he told the .
>>>>> "There'd be less dead children and less social problems.''
>>>>> He was commenting on the latest death of a toddler, two-year-old Karl >>>>> Perigo-Check, who was the son of a convicted murderer and gang member.
>>>>> New Zealand is placed third among OECD nations for child deaths due to >>>>> maltreatment, four spots ahead of Australia, according to UNICEF.
>>>>> It is ranked fifth for both child beatings and sexual abuse, again >>>>> several places ahead of its antipodean neighbour.
>>>>> Mr Laws argued that "liberal methods'' of beating the problem had >>>>> failed.
>>>>> But his "solution'' has been branded "draconian'' and "totalitarian'' >>>>> by the country's child health advocates who are calling for him to >>>>> stand down as a city mayor.
>>>>> "I just find it such a disgraceful attitude,'' Child Poverty Action >>>>> Group director Janfrie Wakim said.
>>>>> "It's hard to comprehend that an intelligent man who's leading a city >>>>> is making such reprehensible suggestions.''
>>>>> This is just the latest controversy for Mr Laws, who last month hit >>>>> headlines for bullying primary school children.
>>>>> The indigenous children had written to the mayor to express annoyance >>>>> that he refused to make a subtle spelling change to the name of the >>>>> North Island town, Wanganui, to make it historically correct.
>>>>> But Laws, a fierce critic of the name change, took exception to the >>>>> letters, replying: "There are so many deficiencies of both fact and >>>>> logic in your letters that I barely know where to start''.
>>>>> He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they write >>>>> to him.
>>>>> AAB >>>> And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the money >>>> back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of getting the >>>> cash. >>> "'we'll voluntarily sterilise you'"
>>> PLEASE READ. >> Can be undone.
>> Sylvia.
> That's right, Sylv. The bloke just goes to the nearest landfill, finds his > nuts and puts them back in the sack. More kiddies in no time.
If it's castration you have in mind, then I agree, but few men are going to consent to that, ten grand, or no ten grand. Normal sterilization techniques are not that drastic.
>>>>>> AN outspoken Kiwi politician has proposed a new solution to the >>>>>> country's child abuse problem - pay the "appalling underclass" not to >>>>>> breed.
>>>>>> Michael Laws - who stirred up controversy by calling the late Tongan >>>>>> King a "bloated brown slug'' - has again hit the headlines.
>>>>>> "That there is a group within our society who give their children no >>>>>> hope nor opportunity from the moment that they are born," the >>>>>> regional >>>>>> mayor wrote on the New Zealand radio website where he broadcasts as a >>>>>> talkback DJ.
>>>>>> "That these 'parents' are known to authorities ... and yet the >>>>>> authorities can only intervene after children have been harmed."
>>>>>> Mr Laws goes on to write: "it would be far better for this appalling >>>>>> underclass to be offered financial inducements not to have children, >>>>>> given the toxic environment that they would provide for any child in >>>>>> their care."
>>>>>> The mayor believes "the consequent financial and social savings to >>>>>> our >>>>>> community would be considerable.
>>>>>> "There are too many people who should not have children."
>>>>>> Yesterday's Dominion-Post newspaper quotes him as saying: "If we gave >>>>>> $10,000 to certain people and said 'we'll voluntarily sterilise you' >>>>>> then all of society would be better off,'' he told the .
>>>>>> "There'd be less dead children and less social problems.''
>>>>>> He was commenting on the latest death of a toddler, two-year-old Karl >>>>>> Perigo-Check, who was the son of a convicted murderer and gang >>>>>> member.
>>>>>> New Zealand is placed third among OECD nations for child deaths due >>>>>> to >>>>>> maltreatment, four spots ahead of Australia, according to UNICEF.
>>>>>> It is ranked fifth for both child beatings and sexual abuse, again >>>>>> several places ahead of its antipodean neighbour.
>>>>>> Mr Laws argued that "liberal methods'' of beating the problem had >>>>>> failed.
>>>>>> But his "solution'' has been branded "draconian'' and "totalitarian'' >>>>>> by the country's child health advocates who are calling for him to >>>>>> stand down as a city mayor.
>>>>>> "I just find it such a disgraceful attitude,'' Child Poverty Action >>>>>> Group director Janfrie Wakim said.
>>>>>> "It's hard to comprehend that an intelligent man who's leading a city >>>>>> is making such reprehensible suggestions.''
>>>>>> This is just the latest controversy for Mr Laws, who last month hit >>>>>> headlines for bullying primary school children.
>>>>>> The indigenous children had written to the mayor to express annoyance >>>>>> that he refused to make a subtle spelling change to the name of the >>>>>> North Island town, Wanganui, to make it historically correct.
>>>>>> But Laws, a fierce critic of the name change, took exception to the >>>>>> letters, replying: "There are so many deficiencies of both fact and >>>>>> logic in your letters that I barely know where to start''.
>>>>>> He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they write >>>>>> to him.
>>>>>> AAB >>>>> And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the money >>>>> back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of getting >>>>> the >>>>> cash. >>>> "'we'll voluntarily sterilise you'"
>>>> PLEASE READ. >>> Can be undone.
>>> Sylvia.
>> That's right, Sylv. The bloke just goes to the nearest landfill, finds >> his nuts and puts them back in the sack. More kiddies in no time.
> If it's castration you have in mind, then I agree, but few men are going > to consent to that, ten grand, or no ten grand. Normal sterilization > techniques are not that drastic.
> Sylvia.
It makes more sense to sterilise the women. After all, they deserve it.
northshoreguynz wrote: > On Nov 6, 3:04 pm, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Sylvia Else wrote: >>> Awesome Bro n Co wrote: >>>> But who'd be left? >>>> He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they write >>>> to him. >>>> AAB >>> And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the money >>> back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of getting the >>> cash. >>> Sylvia. >> There is the very reason it should be implemented syliva >> you didn't comprehend payment after the op
> Fuck off back to wherever you came from, this is a RUGBY news group.
Bunny wrote: > "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote in message > news:AJLIm.554$dc2.299@newsfe20.iad... >> northshoreguynz wrote: >>> On Nov 6, 3:04 pm, atec 7 7 <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>> Awesome Bro n Co wrote: >>>>>> But who'd be left? >>>>>> He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they >>>>>> write to him. >>>>>> AAB >>>>> And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the >>>>> money back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of >>>>> getting the cash. >>>>> Sylvia. >>>> There is the very reason it should be implemented syliva >>>> you didn't comprehend payment after the op >>> Fuck off back to wherever you came from, this is a RUGBY news group. >> You've also posted that to a rugby league newsgroup, where they might >> object to being described as a RUGBY newsgroup.
> Or in fact having any association at any level with a game which is > effectively foreplay to a group of men getting into a bath together naked.
>>>>> AN outspoken Kiwi politician has proposed a new solution to the >>>>> country's child abuse problem - pay the "appalling underclass" not to >>>>> breed.
>>>>> Michael Laws - who stirred up controversy by calling the late Tongan >>>>> King a "bloated brown slug'' - has again hit the headlines.
>>>>> "That there is a group within our society who give their children no >>>>> hope nor opportunity from the moment that they are born," the regional >>>>> mayor wrote on the New Zealand radio website where he broadcasts as a >>>>> talkback DJ.
>>>>> "That these 'parents' are known to authorities ... and yet the >>>>> authorities can only intervene after children have been harmed."
>>>>> Mr Laws goes on to write: "it would be far better for this appalling >>>>> underclass to be offered financial inducements not to have children, >>>>> given the toxic environment that they would provide for any child in >>>>> their care."
>>>>> The mayor believes "the consequent financial and social savings to our >>>>> community would be considerable.
>>>>> "There are too many people who should not have children."
>>>>> Yesterday's Dominion-Post newspaper quotes him as saying: "If we gave >>>>> $10,000 to certain people and said 'we'll voluntarily sterilise you' >>>>> then all of society would be better off,'' he told the .
>>>>> "There'd be less dead children and less social problems.''
>>>>> He was commenting on the latest death of a toddler, two-year-old Karl >>>>> Perigo-Check, who was the son of a convicted murderer and gang member.
>>>>> New Zealand is placed third among OECD nations for child deaths due to >>>>> maltreatment, four spots ahead of Australia, according to UNICEF.
>>>>> It is ranked fifth for both child beatings and sexual abuse, again >>>>> several places ahead of its antipodean neighbour.
>>>>> Mr Laws argued that "liberal methods'' of beating the problem had >>>>> failed.
>>>>> But his "solution'' has been branded "draconian'' and "totalitarian'' >>>>> by the country's child health advocates who are calling for him to >>>>> stand down as a city mayor.
>>>>> "I just find it such a disgraceful attitude,'' Child Poverty Action >>>>> Group director Janfrie Wakim said.
>>>>> "It's hard to comprehend that an intelligent man who's leading a city >>>>> is making such reprehensible suggestions.''
>>>>> This is just the latest controversy for Mr Laws, who last month hit >>>>> headlines for bullying primary school children.
>>>>> The indigenous children had written to the mayor to express annoyance >>>>> that he refused to make a subtle spelling change to the name of the >>>>> North Island town, Wanganui, to make it historically correct.
>>>>> But Laws, a fierce critic of the name change, took exception to the >>>>> letters, replying: "There are so many deficiencies of both fact and >>>>> logic in your letters that I barely know where to start''.
>>>>> He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they write >>>>> to him.
>>>>> AAB >>>> And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the money >>>> back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of getting the >>>> cash.
>>> "'we'll voluntarily sterilise you'"
>>> PLEASE READ.
>> Can be undone.
>> Sylvia.
>That's right, Sylv. The bloke just goes to the nearest landfill, finds his >nuts and puts them back in the sack. More kiddies in no time.
Laws is being too PC in this regard. Legal sterilization to cull the morons?
Courts and tribunals have authorised a total of 17 sterilisations of girls since Marion's Case [in 1992]. Meanwhile, data collated by the Health Insurance Commission shows that at least 1045 girls have been sterilised over this same period, and this figure counts only those sterilisations which qualify for a Medicare benefit and for which a claim has been processed. It excludes sterilisations carried out by hospital doctors on public patients in public hospitals. Comparisons with other data sources suggest that the true number is much greater, perhaps by a factor of several times. Without any doubt most of these girls were sterilised unlawfully.
<syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote: >atec 7 7 wrote: >> Sylvia Else wrote: >>> Awesome Bro n Co wrote: >>>> But who'd be left?
>>>> He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they write >>>> to him.
>>>> AAB
>>> And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the money >>> back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of getting >>> the cash.
>>> Sylvia.
>> There is the very reason it should be implemented syliva >> you didn't comprehend payment after the op
>It's true I missed that bit in my scan - the article title was after all >"Pay problem parents not to breed" not "Pay problem parents to be >sterilised."
>I can see difficulties arising where people deliberately abuse their >children (or make it appear that they are) so as to get the cash when >they don't want any more children anyway.
>Sylvia.
Laws should be in the New Zealand parliament with ideas like this. Why isn't he?
> And if they take the money, and then breed? Sue them to get the money > back? You might win the case, but you'd have a fat chance of getting the > cash.
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