Message from discussion WHITE POWER!

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Date: 9 Dec 2005 18:29:34 -0800
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Richard Dell wrote:
> <forah...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1134103076.017891.236040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> I do not support his position - this should be dealt with by the
> >> Police.
> >>
> >> However what sticks in the craw of host countries is cries from Middle
> >> East immigrants (usually Lebanese Muslims in Australia) like "GET off
> >> our beach. This is our beach. We own it.". You can say this is just
> >> ganf bravado, but that won't wash because very similar remarks have
> >> been heard on the streets of Paris, Aarhus, Malmo and elsewhere -
> >> always from Muslims. There does not seem to be any restraint in the
> >> culture of these people, their leaders are nowhere to be seen, either
> >> stupid old men with beards who try to pretend it is not happenning, or
> >> young extremists egging the thugs on. The cry also has resonance in the
> >> history of Islam, i.e. any land once occupied by Muslims is claimed by
> >> Islam in perpetuity.
> >>
> >> As for messing things up - this problem has been brewing for some time.
> >> VoteFromTheRooftops is a symptom that resentment of continuous bad
> >> behaviour is boiling over.
> >>
> >> Fuller report of the incident here. The attack seems brutal and
> >> unprovoked to me.
> >> http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,20281,17469247-5001022,00.html
> >
> > You are making too many assumptions: that all these Lebanese teens are
> > Muslims. They could also be Christians, can they not?
>
> I said that Middle East immigrants (as reported in the paper) are
> usually Lebanese Muslims in Australia. I believe this to be correct. I
> do not think you really believe these people are Lebanese Christians,
> do you?

They could be Christians. Lebanese Christians have been migrating to
Western countries for the past one hundred years, if not longer. And
that is why most Lebanese in Western countries 'are' Christians.
Lebanese Muslims, on the other hand, rarely migrate but they do find
jobs in Gulf countries and usually return back to Lebanon.

What I don't understand is your insistence on characterizing these
Lebanese youngsters as "Muslims." Should we Muslims start identifying
all Westerners by their religion?

> > If there is gang
> > activity, I say bust these guys. But I suspect that there is more to
> > this story than what the author of this article are leading you to
> > believe. There is a lot of open racism in Australia---at least that's
> > what I have heard from people who have lived there.  So it could be
> > that some white Australians made a claim that it was their beach, and
> > these Lebanese youths were retorting that, no, it was their beach.
>
> That goes against the typical behaviour of most beachgoers, which is to
> share the facilities, and also against what the paper said:
>
> "Some regular Cronulla beachgoers said that the behaviour of Middle
> Eastern groups was so offensive, they opted to travel to other beaches
> instead."

The paper could be prejudiced. It never bothered to ask these Lebanese
teenagers what's their problem or how they would respond to these
charges.

> > I think you need to do bit more research on this story and not
> > stereotype.
>
> There is obviously more to this story, which the same paper has covered
> in other articles. I do not think you can find any factual innacuracy
> in my post, though the implication that we are seeing agressive
> behaviour by Muslim immigrants here is something I think even you would
> accept.
>
> > See also:
> > http://www.racismnoway.com.au/library/understanding/index-What.html#Heading18
>
> This is tangential to the beach story, and I do not think it has any
> bearing on it.

It does. If you read carefully.