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On Jul 5, 11:56=A0pm, "SHOES THROWER" <blondes_gaulloi...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> .... and one of results in all so called "modern western countries" is:
>
> http://www.dadsindistress.asn.au/stories_andrew.html
> In loving memory of Andrew T. Renouf
> May he rest In peace
>
> Andrew T. Renouf committed suicide on or about October 17, 1995 because h=
e
> had 100% of his wages taken by the Family Responsibility Office, an agenc=
y
> of the Government of Ontario, Canada. He asked for assistance for food an=
d
> shelter from the welfare office and was refused because he had a job, eve=
n
> though all of his wages were taken by the Family Responsibility Office. A=
ndy
> was a loving father that hadn't seen his daughter in 4 years.
>
> A memorial service was held in October, 1998, for Andy in front of the
> Family Responsibility Office at 1201 Wilson Avenue, West Tower, Toronto,
> Ontario, Canada. This is in the Ministry of Transportation grounds in the
> Keele St. & Hwy 401 area. All members of the Ontario Legislature were
> invited by personal letter faxed to their offices. Not one turned up. The
> Director of the Family Responsibility Office and his entire staff were
> invited to the brief service. The Director refused and wouldn't let the
> staff attend the service although it was scheduled for lunch time. There =
was
> a peaceful demonstration by followed by a very touching service by The
> Reverend Alan Stewart. The text of the service will soon be able to be re=
ad
> below.
>
> Although the memorial service was not well publicized, a small group
> attended with 84 letters and emails of support from groups across Canada =
and
> the United States. The service made the TV evening news.
>
> It was Andy's last wish that his story be told to all.
>
> An annual memorial service is planned for October 17th.
>
> Suicide Letter of Andrew Renoufwww.fact.on.ca/renouf/r_letter.htm
>
> Note: The Family Responsibility Office was formerly the Family Support Pl=
an
>
> A.T. Renouf
> 16-October-1995
>
> To Whom It May Concern
>
> Last friday (13-October) my bank account was garnisheed. I was left with =
a
> total of $00.43 in the bank.
>
> At this time I have rent and bill's to pay which would come to somewhere
> approaching $1500.00 to $1800.00.
>
> Since my last pay was also direct deposited on friday I now have no way o=
f
> supporting myself. I have no money for food or for gas for my car to enab=
le
> me to work. My employer also tells me that they will only pay me by direc=
t
> deposit. I therefore no longer have a job, since the money would not reac=
h
> me.
>
> I have tried talking to the Family Support people at 1916 Dundas St. E.
> their answer was:-" we have a court order." repeated several times.
>
> I have tried talking to the welfare people in Markham. Since I earned ove=
r
> $520.00 last month I am not eligible for assistance.
>
> I have had no contact with my daughter in approx. 4 year's. I do not even
> know if she is alive and well. I have tried to keep her informed of my
> current telephone number but she has never bothered to call.
>
> I have no family and no friend's, very little food, no viable job and ver=
y
> poor future prospects. I have therefore decided that there is no further
> point in continuing my life. It is my intention to drive to a secluded ar=
ea,
> near my home, feed the car exhaust into the car, take some sleeping pills
> and use the remaining gas in the car to end my life.
>
> I would have prefered to die with more dignity.
>
> It is my last will and testament that this letter be published for all to
> see and read.
>
> Signed
> A.T. Renouf
>
> A Suicide Remembered
> Speech by The Reverend Alan Stewart.www.fact.on.ca/renouf/speech.htm
>
> The letter that Andrew Renouf left before he ended his life on October 17=
,
> 1995, was addressed: "To Whom It May Concern". We gather here today, whet=
her
> we knew him or not, because we are concerned, deeply concerned about the
> pain he experienced and the issues that he brought to our attention as wo=
men
> and men in a civilized society.
>
> We want to make sense out of his death.
>
> We want to learn from his experience.
>
> We want to receive his last will and testament, his legacy, as he asked.
>
> We are attempting today to hear his cry, to learn and self-examine oursel=
ves
> from his scream, which in this letter he made as loudly, as clearly, as
> emphatically as possible. He used his whole life to propel these words in=
to
> our consciousness and into the fabric of our society. As his letter was h=
is
> last will and testament, for all concerned, we are extending his legacy
> today by sharing his inheritance as he passed it on, in this letter.
>
> As Andrew was a man, I will speak first about what the letter may point t=
o
> in terms of those of us who are men; what we can glean from Andrew; what =
is
> his legacy for us?
>
> In this letter, we are either Andrew, or there is an Andrew who is our
> acquaintance, our friend, our brother, our co-worker. We are reminded tha=
t
> four times as many men kill themselves as do women.
>
> The trigger that seemed to set this death on its course was that Andrew h=
ad
> no money. Do we measure a man by how much money he has in his pocket or h=
is
> bank account? The first thing that he mentions in his letter is the 43 ce=
nts
> in his account. He obviously felt that 43 cents pointed to his
> worthlessness, the 43 cents was a metaphor for how he felt and how much h=
e
> was valued on the open market. Andrew had no connection to the amount of
> money that was garnisheed. He had no connection to the value of the money
> that he had actually earned the previous month. His value was focused on =
the
> 43 cents that was left to keep his account open.
>
> Andrew was a man who did not have a place to take his pain. He says that =
he
> has no family, no friends. In the years that he lived on this planet, why
> did he not have any friends? Why did he feel there was nobody to call? Wh=
y
> was there no man or woman he knew personally that he could reach out to a=
nd
> that they would grab his hand? Why was there no brother-in-law, no buddy
> from work, no friend of a friend, no clergy? Why was there no "best frien=
d"?
>
> To respond to Andrew's letter, we men have to ask ourselves if, along the
> journey of our lives, we have been investing in relationships to help us
> live our lives. Are we cultivating, investing and risking to have good
> friends? Do we make excuses that we are too busy? Are we sabotaging our o=
wn
> lives by living in isolation from our brothers and sisters in our own
> communities or families? Are we in a life-long process of estrangement?
>
> Do we hide our pain? The name 'Andrew' means "manly" or "strong". Does ou=
r
> notion of strength mean to go it alone, to be silent, reserved, to hide o=
ur
> feelings and pretend that we are in control and that everything is OK whe=
n
> it most definitely is not OK? When somebody asks us how we are, do we lie=
 to
> them and say that we are fine? Do we hide our feelings under the pretence
> that other people do not want to know? Do we blame the unwitting for our
> lack of self-expression? Are we hostage to what we think that other peopl=
e
> think of us?
>
> Do we cultivate safe places, safe times, and safe people where we can rea=
lly
> be who we are? Can we ever give ourselves permission to be vulnerable? Ha=
ve
> we found someone we can trust with our secrets?
>
> Andrew's letter says that estrangement, going it alone and hiding pain,
> spells d-e-a-t-h.
>
> In his pain, Andrew chose to end his life. We who gather here without tha=
t
> pain can say that there were other choices he could have made. He could h=
ave
> told a police officer or clergyperson that he was suicidal, or walked int=
o
> an emergencyward of a hospital. Strong men are not supposed to say, "I ne=
ed
> help. I am scared. I feel like killing myself. Help me!" This is a lie! O=
ur
> choices determine our life or our death. As men we are free to ' choose t=
o
> get the help that we need to get through our difficult times and live our
> lives.
>
> What does this letter say to women?
>
> The loudest message that this letter says to me in regards to women is th=
at
> "men feel". Men do feel. We may teach men not to show their feelings, but
> men can and do feel as deeply and as profoundly as any woman.
>
> Andrew mentions that he has not seen his daughter in approximately four
> years. While I am not privy to the intimacy issues of the Renouf family, =
I
> can say that fathers naturally tend to love their children. A mother's or
> father's relationship with their child is separately authentic from their
> relationship with each other.
>
> I can say that children need the love of both their father and their moth=
er.
> The access that mother and father have with their children, aside from
> obvious abuse, should not be determined by the issues that the mother and
> the father have with each other. Each parent can say that we are having
> problems with each other, but we both love you very much. We know that
> children feel guilty about a marriage break-up and they need to know that
> both parents love them. It takes years to recover from taking sides, and
> that same taking sides sabotages future relationships when those children
> become adults.
>
> Society says chat men are producers; they bring home the bread. Andrew's
> letter screams to us that he cannot produce without limit.
>
> There is a limit to what a man can produce.
>
> There is a limit to what a man can take.
>
> If we, as a society, teach boys that to be a man is to control, and then,=
 as
> in Andrew's case, we take all of that control away to the point that the
> only way for him to keep any control is to stop the wage garnishee, then =
by
> definition, we oblige him to make that choice.
>
> Andrew mentions two government agencies: Family Support Services and
> Welfare. One garnishees his wages, the other tells him that he still real=
ly
> has the money the other agency took away. It is the classic case of the
> right hand not letting the left hand know what it is doing. What this did=
 to
> Andrew is profoundly heinous in an age of computerisation, fax machines a=
nd
> telephones.
>
> For Welfare to say that he made more than $520 the month before is not tr=
ue.
> It is a lie.
>
> Not only is it a lie, but the Family Support agency had all the
> documentation to prove to the Welfare people that Andrew Renouf did not h=
ave
> any of the money he had worked for during the previous month. The Family
> Support Services, in reality, did not support the Renouf family. The
> policies of the Welfare Office and the Family Support agency were
> contributing factors in the destruction of the Renouf family.
>
> Fathers are part of the family unit.
>
> Husbands are part of the family unit.
>
> You may listen to what I am saying and say that there are many issues her=
e:
> the issue of child support
> the issue of gender discrimination
> the issue of alimony
> marriage breakdown
> What I would like to say to you is that there are no such things as issue=
s,
> there are only people, flesh and blood men, women, and children. If our
> attitudes and agencies do not work to support the health of women and men
> and children, then we must change and adapt our attitudes and agencies so
> that they do help all people.
>
> The terrible reality of this story is that everyone lost.
> a daughter lost her father
> an ex-wife lost her support
> society lost a good and productive member
> and Andrew lost the most precious thing: his life.
> Surely a system that makes everyone a loser has got to be wrong.
>
> The most radical thing I have to say is that the solutions to life's
> difficulties need a partnership that includes both men and women. We need
> both sides to achieve the full equation and we need to have the same rule=
s
> and the same attitudes for both men and women.
>
> There is a place in Los Angeles where there is a small mountain in the
> middle of an urban area. There used to be an observatory there before the
> city lights made it impossible to see the stars. It is a place where love=
rs
> go to park. It is also a place where people go to commit suicide.
>
> One evening, a police car drove up the winding road, just to see a young =
man
> climbing over the rail to jump off and commit suicide. The first policema=
n
> dashed to grab him, but he was too late to get a good hold on him and kee=
p
> his balance without falling over the cliff himself. There was a moment wh=
en
> it looked like both of them were going to fall to their deaths. By then, =
the
> second policeman was able to get around the car and grab the first police=
man
> and pull them both to safety.
>
> The ftrst policeman was nearly killed. He was later asked, "Why did you d=
o
> this? Why did you risk you life, your future, losing your family and
> everything for a total stranger, a man you didn't even know?" He replied
> that when he touched him, he "became" the other man. To let go and let hi=
m
> die would have been like losing himself. He would not have been able to f=
ace
> himself the next day. He became the other man.
>
> So, we are more than our brother's keeper. We are our brother; our brothe=
r's
> and our sister's welfare is directly linked to our own. When Andrew died,
> part of us died with him, men and women alike.
>
> May God give us the grace to reach out in compassion for each other, to
> attend to each other's pain, that we might all live in mutual trust, este=
em
> and love.
>
> --

The right wing white christian capitalists MUST destroy the family
unit at any cost ,  to be able to maintain control of the working
classes

They MUST do all  their power to destroy left wing working classes ,
by all and any means possible

White christian capitalists have been using similar methods to destroy
the family units of workers in every country on earth for centuries

This shit happens to working class families all around the world and
has done for hundreds of years

The ruling elites KNOW they must destroy the family units so as to be
able to maintain control of society

Any society with strong family bonds can grow strong enough to
organize a resistance

Thats WHY western white capitalists desperately NEED to destroy all
cultures that hold strong families as a part of its culture

That WHY western armies MUST destroy the Tribal [ family ]based
societies in Muslim countries like Afghanistan

EVERYBODY must be forced to rely on the ruling elites for everything
they need