Lookout, ye greasy-haired wrangling queen, ye heareth not, yhou stirreth not, yhou moveth not, the ape is dead, ye illumined:
> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:19:28 -1200, Kadaitcha Man <a...@no.email> > wrote:
>> B J Foster, ye awful bad neighbour, fie, thou dishonest Satan, ye >> hectored:
>>> This is not about love.
>> That explains why your parents named you Blow Job.
> So now you're so beaten
VICTOLLY!
-- There is a malfunction in the nano-atom detargeting processor. You will have to fragmentise the inertial torpedo launchers using a varijig otherwise the analog ferroseal will crash.
B J Foster filibustered, snipped and ran from the question: >fasgnadh asked BJ why he ignoring 5 Quran passages on Love:
>> B J Foster demanded 'show me a passage which says THIS about love" : >>> fasgnadh demonstrated the diverse insights into Love in the Qur'an: >>>> B J Foster demonstrated my subject header ignoring the passages on Love: >>>>> fasgnadh provided diverse passages about love in the Qur'an: >>>>>> Olrik declared he would acknowledge "a passage about love in the Qur'an": >>>>>>> B J Foster asked for "a passage about love in the Qur'an" : >>>>>>>> If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post it...
>> I posted 5 passages about love from the Qur'an, and the response >> from this lying atheist bigot changed to.. "Find a passage >> about Love in the Quran which says what BJ Thomas wants it to say"
> Fucking liar. 2 of them are from the bible and two are about sex not > love, the fifth has gone awol.
As BJ is so desperate to maintain his feeble lie and keeps snipping the evidence I will @@ NUMBER THEM @@ for the poor cretin:
>>>>>>>> And I will be the first to acknowledge it.
Day 9 and both BJ and Olrik continue to run from the evidence...
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ Quran Quote re Love #1 @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>> Righteousness is not that ye turn your faces towards the east or the >>>>>> west, but righteousness is, one who believes in God, and the last >>>>>> day, and the angels, and the Book, and the prophets, and who gives >>>>>> wealth for His love to kindred, and orphans, and the poor, and the
>>>>>> son of the road, beggars, and those in captivity; and who is >>>>>> steadfast in prayer, and gives alms; and those who are sure of their >>>>>> covenant when they make a covenant; and the patient in poverty, and >>>>>> distress, and in time of violence; these are they who are true
>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 2 - The Heifer)
>>>> Just as Jesus denounced the rigid clerics of HIS day, who had made >>>> the word of God their temporal fiefdoms, the Quran declares that >>>> righteousness does not depend on the rituals performed, but upon the >>>> the ACTS of LOVE to the poor and the oppressed.. for His Love.
>>>> In the modern world we have a conception of love that is debased, >>>> referring more to passion than to agape! 8^o
>>>> You see it most fervently among the atheists and their obsession with >>>> sexual perversion (see posts by their leader, Steve Knight, >>>> SELF-PROCLAIMED 'Warlord" and PORNOGRAPHER, and his simpering, >>>> latex bound whore)
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ Quran Quote re Love #2 @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>> Ye cannot attain to righteousness until ye expend in alms of what ye >>>>>> love. ^^^^^^
>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 3 - Imran's Family)
>>>> WE have a flood of teenage expressions of desire, of infatuation, >>>> of attraction, of lust and passion, of need and posession.. all >>>> mistaken for Love!
>>>> THE CLOD AND THE PEBBLE
>>>> 'Love seeketh not itself to please, >>>> Nor for itself has any care, >>>> But for another gives its' ease, >>>> And builds a Heaven in Hells' despair.'
>>>> So sung a little clod of clay, >>>> Trodden with the cattle's feet,
>>>> But a pebble of the brook >>>> Warbled out these metres meet:
>>>> 'Love seeketh only itself to please, >>>> To bind another to its' delight, >>>> Joys in another's loss of ease, >>>> And builds a Hell in Heavens' despite.'
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ Quran Quote re Love #3 @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>> for God doth love the kind.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 3 - Imran's Family)
>>>> You asked for these quotes, and here they are, explaining >>>> what God loves.. not what mankind chooses for itself.
>>>> These are not my gifts to you, they are from the everlasting God, >>>> who has at all times and in all places provided guidance for his >>>> creation.
>>>> You asked for them, and I, in good faith provided them, and you, >>>> as I said you would, dismissed them out of hand!
>>>> What does it profit you ... if you have not Love?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ Quran Quote re Love #4 @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>> and thou wilt find the nearest in love to those who believe to be
>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 5 - The Table)
>>>> And today, we see the Church, who had the perfect exemplar of Love, >>>> Jesus, for 2000 years and did not show Love to Islam, now reaching out >>>> and grasping that hand, offered to them by God, a gift, and a TEST, >>>> 1400 years ago....
>>>> And Allah is the Merciful, and the Patience of YHWH is endless >>>> and the Love of Jehovah will embrace the whole world...
>>>> as soon as tiny mean spirited men.... listen
>>>> and inscribe the words upon their hearts
>>>> and LIVE THEIR LOVE...
>>>> ..for that is all there is to learn in this world.
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ Quran Quote re Love #5 @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>> Verily, those who believe and act aright, to them the Merciful will
>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 19 - Mary)
>> BJ asked
>> "If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post it..."
>> I have posted five of them.
>> BJ lied and said none had been posted
>> I then annotated them. B^]
>> BJ snipped it all, and lied again
>> Now BJ changes his request to "Show me a passage which >> says THIS, in particular, about love."
>>> Show me one single passage from the Qu'ran which says "love thy >>> neighbour as thyself"
B^D But that's a quote from the Bible! Doesn't BJ know the Qur'an and the Bible are different books? 8^o
And there is is, the inadvertent admission that he did not simply miss the 5 quotations from the Qur'an on Love, but he has seen them and knows he needs to ALTER what it is he asked for, because his original request has been met! His dishonesty and lack of intelelctual integrity is clear!
How pathetic and deceitful he is in DESPERATE attempts to shift ground simply so he can avoid admitting he is wrong, and has lied to cover up his embarrassment.
>> You were given what you asked for and could not cope with it...
>>>> Olrik wrote: >>>>> B J Foster wrote: >>>>>> fasgnadh wrote: >>>>>>> B J Foster wrote: >>>>>>>> fasgnadh wrote: >>>>>>>>> Ahura Mazda wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Where's the Love in the Quran? >>>>>>>>>> Date 25/Oct/2009
>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>> In this time, as in every time, Peace is a critical issue, >>>>>>>>> and as a non-Muslim who has read both the Qur'an and the Bible, >>>>>>>>> and find them to speak with the One voice, to different peoples >>>>>>>>> in different epochs, I love the message of Love to the other >>>>>>>>> People of the Book:
>>>>>>>>> # "And argue not with the People of the Scripture >>>>>>>>> # unless it be in ( a way) that is better, >>>>>>>>> # save with such of them as do wrong; >>>>>>>>> # and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us >>>>>>>>> # and revealed unto you; >>>>>>>>> # our God and your God is One, >>>>>>>>> # and unto Him we surrender." >>>>>>>>> # >>>>>>>>> # - The Qur'an Sura 29 verse 46
>>>>>>>>> That was revolutionary, it took the parable of the Good Samaritan, >>>>>>>>> where the religious Other who acts with Love is held up as more >>>>>>>>> righteous in the eyes of God as those orthodox of one's own >>>>>>>>> faith who fail to show love or do good.
>>>>>>>>> Outstanding! That is the Message of the Age. >>>>>>>> Maybe - but it is about surrender, not love. >>>>>>> Exactly as my beloved does.. bending herself toward me.. >>>>>>> and offering herself totally... as I also do to her beauty and >>>>>>> charms....
>>>>>>> Oh dear, how sad... a centuries old message of uniting in peace >>>>>>> which even an ossified Church hierarchy finally understood >>>>>>> and accepted, and some poor atheist virgin still doesn't get it! B^]
>>>>>>> Oh well.. the show goes on without them.. AS USUAL! B^D
>>>>>> If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post it...
>>>> And you will simply deny it because you do not know love, >>>> look at this ravening beast below, in a thread about love >>>> he shows the vile HATRED which every atheist poster shows...
>> Which is just what he did! B^p
>>>> Look at their LEADER, "Warlord" and Porn Queen, Steve Knight, spewing >>>> his bestial fantasies and misogyny across Usenet! 8^o
>>>> ...the hate we have seen so vividly when atheists ruled, in Mao's >>>> China, the USSR, and Pol Pots genocide
>>>>> Well, they do *love* to inflict pain, torture, death, destruction and >>>>> mayhem to those they don't like.
>>>> Especially Pol Pot, who crucified Christians, the Soviets poured >>>> water on them to make Frozen Human Icypoles
>>>> I have documented the 70,000,000 terrorised tortured and killed by >>>> the atheist states.
>>> Those 70,000,000 were killed by the religion of Marxism,
>> Lenin was an atheist, Stalin was an atheist, Mao was an atheist, >> Pol Pot was an atheist.. the entire Central Committee were atheists..
Describing these atheist regimes as 'religious' is a feeble fantasy...
>> If Virgil wants to claim that all those atheists were part of a >> big RELIGIOUS conspiracy, which terrorised tortured and murdered >> believers and and persecuted religion.... then he has 2 problems:
>> 1. he has so distorted meaning that there IS none left in the terms >> religion and atheism.. he tries to make them synonyms and
>> 2. He will never live down the laughter ringing through Usenet >> as he gives the entire atheist argument away. B^D
How desperate do these atheist apologists have to be to try and claim that the only atheist regimes in history were 'religious'! B^D
>> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism." >> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism." >> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?" >> - Lenin
>> "You know, they are fooling us, there is no God... >> all this talk about God is sheer nonsense" >> - Stalin >> E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin, >> Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940
>> But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership, >> but of the entire State apparatus;
>> The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under >> the Red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of >> every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda >> and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[ >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth." >> - Daniel Peris, >> "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless" >> Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
>> "Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
>> "Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested. >> In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over >> 3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks. >> Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water >> in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
>> - John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State >> (Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
>>>> The most unspeakable holocausts in human history.. >>>> the work of hate filled
>> atheists.. Lenin Mao Stalin, Pol Pot and the entire Central committee!
>> All Atheists.
>>>> You do not know Love, you are filled with, consumed by hate
> Lenin was a revolutionary and a Marxist before he was an atheist.
Lenin knows what Lenin was better than Virgil the lying, post forging racist bigot does!
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism." -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism." - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
> The extant religions were all counter-revolutionary,
No. The Bahai do not engage in politics and so they were not 'counter revolutionary', yet their Temple was expropriated just like all the churches and mosques..
> and failing to supress them would have been
So Virgil ADMITS the atheist regimes 'supressed' religion! B^]
Discussion subject changed to "Where's the Love among Atheists? NOWHERE, they are filled with Hatred and Malice towards most of the peoples of the Earth.!" by B J Foster
fasgnadh wrote: > B J Foster filibustered, snipped and ran from the question: > >fasgnadh asked BJ why he ignoring 5 Quran passages on Love: >>> B J Foster demanded 'show me a passage which says THIS about love" : >>>> fasgnadh demonstrated the diverse insights into Love in the Qur'an: >>>>> B J Foster demonstrated my subject header ignoring the passages on >>>>> Love: >>>>>> fasgnadh provided diverse passages about love in the Qur'an: >>>>>>> Olrik declared he would acknowledge "a passage about love in the >>>>>>> Qur'an": >>>>>>>> B J Foster asked for "a passage about love in the Qur'an" :
>>>>>>>>> If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post it...
>>> I posted 5 passages about love from the Qur'an, and the response >>> from this lying atheist bigot changed to.. "Find a passage >>> about Love in the Quran which says what BJ Thomas wants it to say"
> > Fucking liar. 2 of them are from the bible and two are about sex not > > love, the fifth has gone awol.
> As BJ is so desperate to maintain his feeble lie and keeps snipping the > evidence I will @@ NUMBER THEM @@ for the poor cretin:
>>>>>>>>> And I will be the first to acknowledge it.
> Day 9 and both BJ and Olrik continue to run from the evidence...
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > @ Quran Quote re Love #1 @ > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>> Righteousness is not that ye turn your faces towards the east or the >>>>>>> west, but righteousness is, one who believes in God, and the last >>>>>>> day, and the angels, and the Book, and the prophets, and who gives >>>>>>> wealth for His love to kindred, and orphans, and the poor, and the > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>>>> son of the road, beggars, and those in captivity; and who is >>>>>>> steadfast in prayer, and gives alms; and those who are sure of their >>>>>>> covenant when they make a covenant; and the patient in poverty, and >>>>>>> distress, and in time of violence; these are they who are true
>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 2 - The Heifer)
This is charity not love.
And it follows with the usual threat:
"2:178 O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. And for him who is forgiven somewhat by his (injured) brother, prosecution according to usage and payment unto him in kindness. This is an alleviation and a mercy from your Lord. He who transgresseth after this will have a painful doom".
Apart from the fact, that this nonsense promises 'believers' that they will have slaves and females in retribution in heaven - IOW, slaves and women are treated as possessions, it rates slaves higher in precedence than women.
So much for love.
Nevertheless, since the word "love" was used, and although in a twisted sense, and although it bears NO RESEMBLANCE WHATSOEVER to the concept of selfless love taught by Christ, I'll grant you half a point for effort.
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>>>>> Just as Jesus denounced the rigid clerics of HIS day, who had made >>>>> the word of God their temporal fiefdoms, the Quran declares that >>>>> righteousness does not depend on the rituals performed, but upon the >>>>> the ACTS of LOVE to the poor and the oppressed.. for His Love.
Now you're quoting the Bible.
>>>>> In the modern world we have a conception of love that is debased, >>>>> referring more to passion than to agape! 8^o
>>>>> You see it most fervently among the atheists and their obsession with >>>>> sexual perversion (see posts by their leader, Steve Knight, >>>>> SELF-PROCLAIMED 'Warlord" and PORNOGRAPHER, and his simpering, >>>>> latex bound whore)
Do we have to listen to this noise? Stick to the task please.
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > @ Quran Quote re Love #2 @ > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>> Ye cannot attain to righteousness until ye expend in alms of what ye >>>>>>> love. > ^^^^^^
>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 3 - Imran's Family)
Poor boy. Now I understand why you post so much noise. You attempt to distinguish your clumsy mangling of meaning by surrounding it with megabytes of drivel.
This passage is saying that if you do not give up LOVE OF MONEY then you will not attain piety. Love of money is not love.
Score: -1
Total: -0.5
>>>>> WE have a flood of teenage expressions of desire, of infatuation, >>>>> of attraction, of lust and passion, of need and posession.. all >>>>> mistaken for Love!
>>>>> 'Love seeketh not itself to please, >>>>> Nor for itself has any care, >>>>> But for another gives its' ease, >>>>> And builds a Heaven in Hells' despair.'
>>>>> So sung a little clod of clay, >>>>> Trodden with the cattle's feet,
>>>>> But a pebble of the brook >>>>> Warbled out these metres meet:
>>>>> 'Love seeketh only itself to please, >>>>> To bind another to its' delight, >>>>> Joys in another's loss of ease, >>>>> And builds a Hell in Heavens' despite.'
Bible quote #2?
Given all the time that you've had for this simple task - I'd expect several quotes from the Qur'an by now. So far, you're going backwards.
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > @ Quran Quote re Love #3 @ > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>> for God doth love the kind. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Charity is not love, but I'll grant you half a point.
>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 3 - Imran's Family)
Maybe it would easier to search for "doom"?
1. For disbelievers is a painful *doom*. 2. Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah ... promise them a painful *doom*. 3. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful *doom* to those who disbelieve. 4. Those who vex the messenger of Allah, for them there is a painful *doom*. 5. Theirs will be a boiling drink and painful *doom* because they disbelieved. ... 60. Those who believe not in the Hereafter, for them We have prepared a painful *doom*
Doom and gloom aplenty but not much love.
>>>>> You asked for these quotes, and here they are, explaining >>>>> what God loves.. not what mankind chooses for itself.
>>>>> These are not my gifts to you, they are from the everlasting God, >>>>> who has at all times and in all places provided guidance for his >>>>> creation.
>>>>> You asked for them, and I, in good faith provided them, and you, >>>>> as I said you would, dismissed them out of hand!
>>>>> What does it profit you ... if you have not Love? > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Here we go - quoting the *Bible* again.
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > @ Quran Quote re Love #4 @ > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>> and thou wilt find the nearest in love to those who believe to be > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>>>> those who say, 'We are Christians;'
>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 5 - The Table)
Love for God, you idiot, not love for each other.
2 verses prior to this: "5:80 Thou seest many of them making friends with those who disbelieve. Surely ill for them is that which they themselves send on before them: that Allah will be wroth with them and in the doom they will abide".
Doom again - FOR ANYONE WHO MAKES FRIENDS WITH CHRISTIANS IOW
And a few verses prior to that:
"5:51 O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk".
CLEAR UNEQUIVOCAL GUIDANCE FOR HATRED.
>>>>> And today, we see the Church, who had the perfect exemplar of Love, >>>>> Jesus, for 2000 years and did not show Love to Islam, now reaching >>>>> out >>>>> and grasping that hand, offered to them by God, a gift, and a TEST, >>>>> 1400 years ago....
The church, ...
>>>>> And Allah is the Merciful, and the Patience of YHWH is endless >>>>> and the Love of Jehovah will embrace the whole world...
>>>>> as soon as tiny mean spirited men.... listen
>>>>> and inscribe the words upon their hearts
>>>>> and LIVE THEIR LOVE...
>>>>> ..for that is all there is to learn in this world.
(Yawn)
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > @ Quran Quote re Love #5 @ > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>> Verily, those who believe and act aright, to them the Merciful will > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>>>> give love. > ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 19 - Mary)
This is God's love, you twit.
>>> BJ asked
>>> "If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post it..."
>>> I have posted five of them.
No you haven't. There is some semblance of charity, but only to fellow believers and under threat of a "painful doom".
You also posted evidence of love of people by Allah (God) but not a shred of any advice regarding how people should love or even tokerate one another.
There is certainly no sign of the selfless love taught by Christ and there is plenty of evidence of intolerance of Christians and Jews.
Fortunately the Muslims I know do not practice this garbage.
>>> BJ lied and said none had been posted
>>> I then annotated them. B^]
>>> BJ snipped it all, and lied again
>>> Now BJ changes his request to "Show me a passage which >>> says THIS, in particular, about love." >>>> Show me one single passage from the Qu'ran which says "love thy >>>> neighbour as thyself"
> B^D But that's a quote from the Bible! Doesn't BJ know the > Qur'an and the Bible are different books? 8^o
You quoted from the Bible, idiot. Your task was to
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In article <Ik8Jm.52820$ze1.27...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > Virgil wrote: > >> Lenin was a Marxist Communist revolutionary, Stalin was a Marxist > >> Communist revolutionary, Mao was a Marxist Communist > >> revolutionary, Pol Pot was an a Marxist Communist revolutionary.. > >> the entire Central Committee were Marxist Communist > >> revolutionaries.
> Describing these atheist regimes as 'religious' is a feeble fantasy.
Did those tyrants impose their beliefs about religion on their subjects?
If so, then it was the existence of that religious imposition by the government, rather than its particular nature, that makes it at religious tyrrany.
> >> If Virgil wants to claim that all those atheists were part of a > >> big RELIGIOUS conspiracy
Does fasgnadh claim that imposition of one's religious beliefs is NOT religious tyranny?
Any government which denies freedom of religion to its people is a religious tyranny.
> >> 1. he has so distorted meaning that there IS none left in the terms > >> religion and atheism.\
Any government which denies freedom of religion to its people is a religious tyranny.
> >> 2. He will never live down the laughter ringing through Usenet > >> as he gives the entire atheist argument away. B^D
Any government which denies freedom of religion to its people is a religious tyranny.
> How desperate do these atheist apologists have to be to try and claim > that the only atheist regimes in history were 'religious'! B^D
Any government which denies freedom of religion to its people is a religious tyranny.
> > Lenin was a revolutionary and a Marxist before he was an atheist.
> Lenin knows what Lenin was better than Virgil the lying, post forging > racist bigot does!
> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism." > -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
Any government which denies freedom of religion to its people is a religious tyranny.
> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism." > - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
Any government which denies freedom of religion to its people is a religious tyranny.
> So Virgil ADMITS the Marxist Communist regimes 'supressed' religion!
Any government which denies freedom of religion to its people is a religious tyranny.
Discussion subject changed to "Where's the Love among Atheists? NOWHERE, they are filled with Hatred and Malice towards most of the peoples of the Earth.!" by fasgnadh
B J Foster wrote: > fasgnadh wrote: >> B J Foster filibustered, snipped and ran from the question: >> >fasgnadh asked BJ why he ignoring 5 Quran passages on Love: >>>> B J Foster demanded 'show me a passage which says THIS about love" : >>>>> fasgnadh demonstrated the diverse insights into Love in the Qur'an: >>>>>> B J Foster demonstrated my subject header ignoring the passages on >>>>>> Love: >>>>>>> fasgnadh provided diverse passages about love in the Qur'an: >>>>>>>> Olrik declared he would acknowledge "a passage about love in the >>>>>>>> Qur'an": >>>>>>>>> B J Foster asked for "a passage about love in the Qur'an" :
>>>>>>>>>> If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post it...
>>>> I posted 5 passages about love from the Qur'an, and the response >>>> from this lying atheist bigot changed to.. "Find a passage >>>> about Love in the Quran which says what BJ Thomas wants it to say"
>>> Fucking liar. 2 of them are from the bible and two are about sex not >>> love, the fifth has gone awol.
>> As BJ is so desperate to maintain his feeble lie and keeps snipping the >> evidence I will @@ NUMBER THEM @@ for the poor cretin:
>>>>>>>>>> And I will be the first to acknowledge it.
>> Day 9 and both BJ and Olrik continue to run from the evidence...
>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >> @ Quran Quote re Love #1 @ >> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>>> Righteousness is not that ye turn your faces towards the east or >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> west, but righteousness is, one who believes in God, and the last >>>>>>>> day, and the angels, and the Book, and the prophets, and who gives >>>>>>>> wealth for His love to kindred, and orphans, and the poor, and the >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>>>>> son of the road, beggars, and those in captivity; and who is >>>>>>>> steadfast in prayer, and gives alms; and those who are sure of >>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>> covenant when they make a covenant; and the patient in poverty, and >>>>>>>> distress, and in time of violence; these are they who are true
>>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 2 - The Heifer) > the word "love" was used,
"If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post it..."
You don't get to qualify a thing, you pathetic lying little shit.. you just get to suck up your lies and CHOKE on them!
You have had ONE, the rest are just rubbing your nose in your gutless ground-shifting, your absurd belief that a loveless lying fraud like you gets to define what Love is, and your pretence that talking about love isn't talking about love.
No JUST BECAUSE you don't understand it, just because your pathetic notions of love are confused with lust, and you have no concept of agape does not give you adjudicator rights.. you have BARE FACED LIED and my patience with you is at an end.
Admit you were wrong or FOAD! B^]
You are not only incapable of RECOGNISING love, even when it is clearly and explicitly spelt out for you, you are incapable of any rational discussion and have FOUR TIMES DELETED IT ALL until now your nose is rubbed firmly in it and you have nowhere to snip and run.. all that is left is your impotent WHINING;
>>>>>> Just as Jesus denounced the rigid clerics of HIS day, who had made >>>>>> the word of God their temporal fiefdoms, the Quran declares that >>>>>> righteousness does not depend on the rituals performed, but upon the >>>>>> the ACTS of LOVE to the poor and the oppressed.. for His Love.
>>>>>> In the modern world we have a conception of love that is debased, >>>>>> referring more to passion than to agape! 8^o
>>>>>> You see it most fervently among the atheists and their obsession with >>>>>> sexual perversion (see posts by their leader, Steve Knight, >>>>>> SELF-PROCLAIMED 'Warlord" and PORNOGRAPHER, and his simpering, >>>>>> latex bound whore)
> Do we have to listen to this noise?
No ..I will remove all your whining evasion so that only the essential facts remain for you to choke on. B^]
>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >> @ Quran Quote re Love #2 @ >> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>>> Ye cannot attain to righteousness until ye expend in alms of >>>>>>>> what ye love. >> ^^^^^^
>>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 3 - Imran's Family) > This passage is saying that if you do not give up LOVE OF MONEY then you > will not attain piety.
Well done, you not only read it you almost understood it. It teaches what people love to love and why they must give it up for the sake of real Love. As you say you had a christian upbringing I have constantly shown you the links to the Torah and the New Testament. This is the same admonition as Moses made to the Jews when they were found worshipping the Golden Calf. Humans love glittering baubles, The Love of Money is the root of all Evil.... not money itself.. it has a use.. but the LOVE of it becomes a perversion.
But we are not here to argue with the devious lying little shit about the nature of love.. he has snipped every attempt to engage him in that debate over the past posts in this thread.. he mindlessly snipped evey elaboration and simply LIED "there are no quotes on Lov e from the Qur'an... Now he is quibbling.. the poor desperate little twat.. and he can go fuck himself.. he has no purchse in any debate.. he is merely having his LIES stuffed down his throat. B^}
The sole purpose of my reply to him is simply to count the number of times his request was met, and which he then snipped and pretended did not exist....
>>>>>> WE have a flood of teenage expressions of desire, of infatuation, >>>>>> of attraction, of lust and passion, of need and posession.. all >>>>>> mistaken for Love!
> "Love of money", mistaken for love by faghdagh.
Oh, you poor pathetic fool, is that really how weak you will make yourself to have something that looks like a riposte? YOu are TRAGICALLY behind the game and every time you open your mouth you simply make INADVERTENT CONCESSIONS! B^D
THAT IS MY POINT.. read it again and see you have just made the Qua'ranic point!
"Ye cannot attain to righteousness until ye expend in alms of what ye love."
You cannot show love unless you are prepared to spend that which you hoard up, the MONEY which becomes the perverted object of your love.. you cannot truly love until you overcome the lust for material posessions!
Magazines offer object porn in exactly the same way as flesh is offered for lust... and men respond to the glossy photos of the car, or fast bike in exactly the same way "oooooooo, if only I could get my hands on one of those...."
You have almost showed a glimmer of understanding, there, Grasshopper..
And for a moment you almost appeared capable of an adult perspective on what genuine Love might be.... and what it is not! B^[
>>>>>> 'Love seeketh not itself to please, >>>>>> Nor for itself has any care, >>>>>> But for another gives its' ease, >>>>>> And builds a Heaven in Hells' despair.'
>>>>>> So sung a little clod of clay, >>>>>> Trodden with the cattle's feet,
>>>>>> But a pebble of the brook >>>>>> Warbled out these metres meet:
>>>>>> 'Love seeketh only itself to please, >>>>>> To bind another to its' delight, >>>>>> Joys in another's loss of ease, >>>>>> And builds a Hell in Heavens' despite.'
> Bible quote #2?
No, and your ignorance is of no value in this thread.
Look you pathetic dribbling fuckwit.. you have already had your ONE quote.. I am officially done with you.. B^]
I am now dancing on the ashes of your LIES and there is still 3 more quotes from the Qur'an to go.. the fact that illustrate a point with poetry or show the links between the Quran, the Bible and the Torah, to show their COMMON AUTHOR, is not for you, as you have shown you are uninterested in and incapable of any meaningful converstaion on this subject.. it is for the general reader, so that someone less consumed with your blind hatred and mindless ignorant carping, may grasp the point.. which your lies are merely impaled upon.
> Given all the time that you've had for this simple task
Oh the simple task was completed half a dozen posts ago, when I first provided and you first snipped and claimed none were posted.
You are just too slow in responding honestly, so will roast your carcase slowly.. and LOVINGLY! B^]
> - I'd expect several quotes from the Qur'an by now.
You have just been lying, claiming there were none, counting the additional bible quotes and pretending they were replacements when they were merely additional elaboration.. until now when you have run out of lies and evasion; B^]
>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >> @ Quran Quote re Love #3 @ >> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>>> for God doth love the kind. >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> >>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 3 - Imran's Family) >>>>
> Charity is not love,
It's clearly not about Charity, you poor pathetic and chronically dishonets liar.. it's abotu what God Loves!
You are so blinded with your hatred, your jealous and blind desire to attack me, that you are incapable of rationally parsing a simple sentence.
It's about Love. What God loves is the Kind.
I understand that.. my heart fills with pleasure and pride when my own children show it.
It is the antidote to all the cruelty from the schoolyard bullying to rape on the battle field...
you have NOT THE FAINTEST IDEA of what love is!
And I told you that BEFORE your first idiotic, stony-hearted, embittered LIE about these quotes was even typed!
Virgil wrote: > fasgnadh wrote: >> B J Foster filibustered, snipped and ran from the question: >> >fasgnadh asked BJ why he is ignoring 5 Quran passages on Love: >>>> B J Foster demanded 'show me a passage which says THIS about love" : >>>>> fasgnadh demonstrated the diverse insights into Love in the Qur'an: >>>>>> B J Foster demonstrated my subject header ignoring the passages on >>>>>> Love: >>>>>>> fasgnadh provided diverse passages about love in the Qur'an: >>>>>>>> Olrik declared he would acknowledge "a passage about love in the >>>>>>>> Qur'an": >>>>>>>>> B J Foster asked for "a passage about love in the Qur'an" :
>>>>>>>>>> If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post it...
>>>> I posted 5 passages about love from the Qur'an, and the response >>>> from this lying atheist bigot changed to.. "Find a passage >>>> about Love in the Quran which says what BJ Thomas wants it to say"
>> > Fucking liar. 2 of them are from the bible and two are about sex not >> > love, the fifth has gone awol.
>> As BJ is so desperate to maintain his feeble lie and keeps snipping the >> evidence I will @@ NUMBER THEM @@ for the poor cretin:
>>>>>>>>>> And I will be the first to acknowledge it.
>> Day 9 and both BJ and Olrik continue to run from the evidence...
>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >> @ Quran Quote re Love #1 @ >> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>>> Righteousness is not that ye turn your faces towards the east or the >>>>>>>> west, but righteousness is, one who believes in God, and the last >>>>>>>> day, and the angels, and the Book, and the prophets, and who gives >>>>>>>> wealth for His love to kindred, and orphans, and the poor, and the >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>>>>> son of the road, beggars, and those in captivity; and who is >>>>>>>> steadfast in prayer, and gives alms; and those who are sure of their >>>>>>>> covenant when they make a covenant; and the patient in poverty, and >>>>>>>> distress, and in time of violence; these are they who are true
>>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 2 - The Heifer)
>>>>>> Just as Jesus denounced the rigid clerics of HIS day, who had made >>>>>> the word of God their temporal fiefdoms, the Quran declares that >>>>>> righteousness does not depend on the rituals performed, but upon the >>>>>> the ACTS of LOVE to the poor and the oppressed.. for His Love.
>>>>>> In the modern world we have a conception of love that is debased, >>>>>> referring more to passion than to agape! 8^o
>>>>>> You see it most fervently among the atheists and their obsession with >>>>>> sexual perversion (see posts by their leader, Steve Knight, >>>>>> SELF-PROCLAIMED 'Warlord" and PORNOGRAPHER, and his simpering, >>>>>> latex bound whore)
>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >> @ Quran Quote re Love #2 @ >> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>>> Ye cannot attain to righteousness until ye expend in alms of what ye >>>>>>>> love. >> ^^^^^^
>>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 3 - Imran's Family)
>>>>>> WE have a flood of teenage expressions of desire, of infatuation, >>>>>> of attraction, of lust and passion, of need and posession.. all >>>>>> mistaken for Love!
>>>>>> THE CLOD AND THE PEBBLE
>>>>>> 'Love seeketh not itself to please, >>>>>> Nor for itself has any care, >>>>>> But for another gives its' ease, >>>>>> And builds a Heaven in Hells' despair.'
>>>>>> So sung a little clod of clay, >>>>>> Trodden with the cattle's feet,
>>>>>> But a pebble of the brook >>>>>> Warbled out these metres meet:
>>>>>> 'Love seeketh only itself to please, >>>>>> To bind another to its' delight, >>>>>> Joys in another's loss of ease, >>>>>> And builds a Hell in Heavens' despite.'
>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >> @ Quran Quote re Love #3 @ >> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>>> for God doth love the kind. >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 3 - Imran's Family)
>>>>>> You asked for these quotes, and here they are, explaining >>>>>> what God loves.. not what mankind chooses for itself.
>>>>>> These are not my gifts to you, they are from the everlasting God, >>>>>> who has at all times and in all places provided guidance for his >>>>>> creation.
>>>>>> You asked for them, and I, in good faith provided them, and you, >>>>>> as I said you would, dismissed them out of hand!
>>>>>> What does it profit you ... if you have not Love? >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >> @ Quran Quote re Love #4 @ >> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>>> and thou wilt find the nearest in love to those who believe to be >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>>>>> those who say, 'We are Christians;'
>>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 5 - The Table)
>>>>>> And today, we see the Church, who had the perfect exemplar of Love, >>>>>> Jesus, for 2000 years and did not show Love to Islam, now reaching >>>>>> out >>>>>> and grasping that hand, offered to them by God, a gift, and a TEST, >>>>>> 1400 years ago....
>>>>>> And Allah is the Merciful, and the Patience of YHWH is endless >>>>>> and the Love of Jehovah will embrace the whole world...
>>>>>> as soon as tiny mean spirited men.... listen
>>>>>> and inscribe the words upon their hearts
>>>>>> and LIVE THEIR LOVE...
>>>>>> ..for that is all there is to learn in this world.
>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >> @ Quran Quote re Love #5 @ >> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>>> Verily, those who believe and act aright, to them the Merciful will >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>>>>> give love. >> ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 19 - Mary)
>>>> BJ asked
>>>> "If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post it..."
>>>> I have posted five of them.
>>>> BJ lied and said none had been posted
>>>> I then annotated them. B^]
>>>> BJ snipped it all, and lied again
>>>> Now BJ changes his request to "Show me a passage which >>>> says THIS, in particular, about love."
>>>>> Show me one single passage from the Qu'ran which says "love thy >>>>> neighbour as thyself"
>> B^D But that's a quote from the Bible! Doesn't BJ know the >> Qur'an and the Bible are different books? 8^o
>> And there is is, the inadvertent admission that he did not simply >> miss the 5 quotations from the Qur'an on Love, but he has seen them >> and knows he needs to ALTER what it is he asked for, because his >> original request has been met! His dishonesty and lack of intelelctual >> integrity is clear!
>> How pathetic and deceitful he is in DESPERATE attempts to shift >> ground simply so he can avoid admitting he is wrong, and has lied >> to cover up his embarrassment.
>>>> You were given what you asked for and could not cope with it...
>>>> Now you ignore it and change your demand..
>>>> .... because truth is anathema to atheism.
> If fasgnadh is soliciting for Islam
No.. BJ asked, "If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post it" (then after that was easily done he changed his mind to "Show me the Qu'ran saying 'love thy neighbour as thyself'" .. poor cretin doesn't know that's from the Bible, not the Qur'an! )
.. so go after him for 'soliciting' B^]
then we can watch TWO rabid baying, lying, hate-filled dogs, pointlessly yap and snarl at each other ....as neither of you are worth bothering with.
Discussion subject changed to "Day 8 - BJ and Olrik the Liars still running from evidence was Where's the Love among, Atheists? NOWHERE, they are filled with Hatred and Malice towards most of, the peoples of the Earth.!" by fasgnadh
Subject: Day 8 - BJ and Olrik the Liars still running from evidence was Where's the Love among, Atheists? NOWHERE, they are filled with Hatred and Malice towards most of, the peoples of the Earth.!
B J Foster wrote: > fasgnadh wrote: >> fasgnadh provided passages about Love in the Qur'an: >>> Olrik the liar promised he would acknowledge such a passage: >>>> B J Foster asked for a passage about love in the Qur'an: >>>>> fasgnadh tutored the atheists in Love: >>>>>> B J Foster denied that Peace was an expression of Love: >>>>>>> fasgnadh wrote of Love among the Faithful: >>>>>>>> Ahura Mazda wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Where's the Love in the Quran? >>>>>>>>> Date 25/Oct/2009
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> In this time, as in every time, Peace is a critical issue, >>>>>>>> and as a non-Muslim who has read both the Qur'an and the Bible, >>>>>>>> and find them to speak with the One voice, to different peoples >>>>>>>> in different epochs, I love the message of Love to the other >>>>>>>> People of the Book:
>>>>>>>> # "And argue not with the People of the Scripture >>>>>>>> # unless it be in ( a way) that is better, >>>>>>>> # save with such of them as do wrong; >>>>>>>> # and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us >>>>>>>> # and revealed unto you; >>>>>>>> # our God and your God is One, >>>>>>>> # and unto Him we surrender." >>>>>>>> # >>>>>>>> # - The Qur'an Sura 29 verse 46
>>>>>>>> That was revolutionary, it took the parable of the Good Samaritan, >>>>>>>> where the religious Other who acts with Love is held up as more >>>>>>>> righteous in the eyes of God as those orthodox of one's own faith >>>>>>>> who fail to show love or do good.
>>>>>>>> Outstanding! That is the Message of the Age.
>>>>>>> Maybe - but it is about surrender, not love.
>>>>>> Exactly as my beloved does.. bending herself toward me.. >>>>>> and offering herself totally... as I also do to her beauty and >>>>>> charms....
>>>>>> Oh dear, how sad... a centuries old message of uniting in peace >>>>>> which even an ossified Church hierarchy finally understood >>>>>> and accepted, and some poor atheist virgin still doesn't get it! B^]
>>>>>> Oh well.. the show goes on without them.. AS USUAL! B^D
>>>>> If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post it...
And you simply ignored them because they didn't say what YOU WANTED THEM TO SAY so you changed your demand to "Show me something that says exactly THIS about love" B^p
You are a joke and I will laugh at you for many months to come. B^]
>> And, as I predicted, when I posted FIVE passages from the Quran >> about Love, BJ declared they were not the passages HE WANTED! B^p
>>> And you will simply deny it because you do not know love,
>> The proof of any rational analysis lies in it's PREDICTIVE capacity.
Once again, I predicted that Olrik and BJ would RENEGE, because they are both lying bigots.
>> B^] >>>>> And I will be the first to acknowledge it.
>> Day 5 and Olrik the Atheist Liar is still running from the >> passages about Love from the Qur'an
>>> Righteousness is not that ye turn your faces towards the east or the >>> west, but righteousness is, one who believes in God, and the last day, >>> and the angels, and the Book, and the prophets, and who gives wealth >>> for His love to kindred, and orphans, and the poor, and the son of the >>> road, beggars, and those in captivity; and who is steadfast in prayer, >>> and gives alms; and those who are sure of their covenant when they >>> make a covenant; and the patient in poverty, and distress, and in time >>> of violence; these are they who are true
>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 2 - The Heifer)
>>> Ye cannot attain to righteousness until ye expend in alms of what ye >>> love.
>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 3 - Imran's Family)
>>> for God doth love the kind.
>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 3 - Imran's Family)
>>> and thou wilt find the nearest in love to those who believe to be >>> those who say, 'We are Christians;'
>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 5 - The Table)
>>> Verily, those who believe and act aright, to them the Merciful will >>> give love.
Discussion subject changed to "Where's the Love among Atheists? NOWHERE, they are filled with Hatred and Malice towards most of the peoples of the Earth.!" by B J Foster
fasgnadh wrote: > B J Foster wrote: >> fasgnadh wrote: >>> B J Foster filibustered, snipped and ran from the question: >>> >fasgnadh asked BJ why he ignoring 5 Quran passages on Love: >>>>> B J Foster demanded 'show me a passage which says THIS about love" : >>>>>> fasgnadh demonstrated the diverse insights into Love in the Qur'an: >>>>>>> B J Foster demonstrated my subject header ignoring the passages >>>>>>> on Love: >>>>>>>> fasgnadh provided diverse passages about love in the Qur'an: >>>>>>>>> Olrik declared he would acknowledge "a passage about love in >>>>>>>>> the Qur'an": >>>>>>>>>> B J Foster asked for "a passage about love in the Qur'an" :
>>>>>>>>>>> If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post >>>>>>>>>>> it...
>>>>> I posted 5 passages about love from the Qur'an, and the response >>>>> from this lying atheist bigot changed to.. "Find a passage >>>>> about Love in the Quran which says what BJ Thomas wants it to say"
>>>> Fucking liar. 2 of them are from the bible and two are about sex not >>>> love, the fifth has gone awol.
>>> As BJ is so desperate to maintain his feeble lie and keeps snipping the >>> evidence I will @@ NUMBER THEM @@ for the poor cretin:
>>>>>>>>>>> And I will be the first to acknowledge it.
>>> Day 9 and both BJ and Olrik continue to run from the evidence...
>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >>> @ Quran Quote re Love #1 @ >>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>>>> Righteousness is not that ye turn your faces towards the east >>>>>>>>> or the >>>>>>>>> west, but righteousness is, one who believes in God, and the last >>>>>>>>> day, and the angels, and the Book, and the prophets, and who gives >>>>>>>>> wealth for His love to kindred, and orphans, and the poor, and the >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>>>>>> son of the road, beggars, and those in captivity; and who is >>>>>>>>> steadfast in prayer, and gives alms; and those who are sure of >>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>> covenant when they make a covenant; and the patient in poverty, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> distress, and in time of violence; these are they who are true
>>>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 2 - The Heifer)
>> the word "love" was used,
> "If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post it..."
> You don't get to qualify a thing, you pathetic lying little shit.. > you just get to suck up your lies and CHOKE on them!
The usual religious threat: 'Believe or you go to hell'
Muslim version: 'Love Allah or yours will be a painful doom'
> You have had ONE, the rest are just rubbing your nose in your gutless > ground-shifting, your absurd belief that a loveless lying fraud like you > gets to define what Love is, and your pretence that talking about love > isn't talking about love.
> No JUST BECAUSE you don't understand it, just because your pathetic > notions of love are confused with lust, and you have no concept of agape > does not give you adjudicator rights.. you have BARE FACED LIED and my > patience with you is at an end.
> Admit you were wrong or FOAD! B^]
> You are not only incapable of RECOGNISING love, even when it is clearly > and explicitly spelt out for you, you are incapable of any rational > discussion and have FOUR TIMES DELETED IT ALL until now your nose is > rubbed firmly in it and you have nowhere to snip and run.. all that is > left is your impotent WHINING;
>>>>>>> Just as Jesus denounced the rigid clerics of HIS day, who had made >>>>>>> the word of God their temporal fiefdoms, the Quran declares that >>>>>>> righteousness does not depend on the rituals performed, but upon the >>>>>>> the ACTS of LOVE to the poor and the oppressed.. for His Love.
>>>>>>> In the modern world we have a conception of love that is debased, >>>>>>> referring more to passion than to agape! 8^o
>>>>>>> You see it most fervently among the atheists and their obsession >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> sexual perversion (see posts by their leader, Steve Knight, >>>>>>> SELF-PROCLAIMED 'Warlord" and PORNOGRAPHER, and his simpering, >>>>>>> latex bound whore)
>> Do we have to listen to this noise?
> No ..I will remove all your whining evasion so that only the essential > facts remain for you to choke on. B^]
>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >>> @ Quran Quote re Love #2 @ >>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>>>> Ye cannot attain to righteousness until ye expend in alms of >>>>>>>>> what ye love. >>> ^^^^^^
>>>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 3 - Imran's Family)
>> This passage is saying that if you do not give up LOVE OF MONEY then >> you will not attain piety.
> Well done, you not only read it you almost understood it. It teaches > what people love to love and why they must give it up for the sake of > real Love. As you say you had a christian upbringing I have constantly > shown you the links to the Torah and the New Testament. This is the > same admonition as Moses made to the Jews when they were found > worshipping the Golden Calf. Humans love glittering baubles, The Love > of Money is the root of all Evil.... not money itself.. it has a use.. > but the LOVE of it becomes a perversion.
> But we are not here to argue with the devious lying little shit about > the nature of love.. he has snipped every attempt to engage him in > that debate over the past posts in this thread.. he mindlessly snipped > evey elaboration and simply LIED "there are no quotes on Lov e from the > Qur'an... Now he is quibbling.. the poor desperate little twat.. and > he can go fuck himself.. he has no purchse in any debate.. he is merely > having his LIES stuffed down his throat. B^}
> The sole purpose of my reply to him is simply to count the number of > times his request was met, and which he then snipped and pretended did > not exist....
Congratulations for identifying what love is supposedly *not*, i.e. love of money.
Still waiting for a passage in the Qur'an describing what love *is*, apart from sex, hate and surrender of belief, that is.
IOW, *anything* remotely resembling the selfless turn-the-other-cheek love taught by Jesus.
There isn't any such thing in the Qur'an, and despite all your bluster and bullshit, you know it because despite searching desperately for weeks YOU HAVEN'T FOUND IT.
>>>>>>> WE have a flood of teenage expressions of desire, of infatuation, >>>>>>> of attraction, of lust and passion, of need and posession.. all >>>>>>> mistaken for Love!
>> "Love of money", mistaken for love by faghdagh.
> Oh, you poor pathetic fool, is that really how weak you will make > yourself to have something that looks like a riposte? YOu are > TRAGICALLY behind the game and every time you open your mouth you simply > make INADVERTENT CONCESSIONS! B^D
> THAT IS MY POINT.. read it again and see you have just made the > Qua'ranic point!
> "Ye cannot attain to righteousness until ye expend in alms of > what ye love."
> You cannot show love unless you are prepared to spend that > which you hoard up, the MONEY which becomes the perverted object of > your love.. you cannot truly love until you overcome the lust > for material posessions!
(Yawn)
We are interested in what love *is*, not what it is *not*.
You have not found one single passage from the Qur'an describing what love is.
> Magazines offer object porn in exactly the same way as flesh > is offered for lust... and men respond to the glossy photos > of the car, or fast bike in exactly the same way "oooooooo, if > only I could get my hands on one of those...."
Sex, hate, denial, surrender....
None of these are love. Seems to me that you have no idea at all.
Despite posting reams of shit here, day after day, admonishing atheists about this & that, you are clueless about the central concept of Christianity: love.
You have NFI, have you?
> You have almost showed a glimmer of understanding, there, > Grasshopper..
> And for a moment you almost appeared capable of an adult perspective > on what genuine Love might be.... and what it is not! B^[
You are an expert on what it is not, according to the Qur'an that it, maybe generally too.
Keep on eliminating concepts until you eliminate another thousand or two concepts and you might eventually get there.
It will be a novel approach to defining something - eliminate everything it is not.
>>>>>>> 'Love seeketh not itself to please, >>>>>>> Nor for itself has any care, >>>>>>> But for another gives its' ease, >>>>>>> And builds a Heaven in Hells' despair.'
>>>>>>> So sung a little clod of clay, >>>>>>> Trodden with the cattle's feet,
>>>>>>> But a pebble of the brook >>>>>>> Warbled out these metres meet:
>>>>>>> 'Love seeketh only itself to please, >>>>>>> To bind another to its' delight, >>>>>>> Joys in another's loss of ease, >>>>>>> And builds a Hell in Heavens' despite.'
>> Bible quote #2?
> No, and your ignorance is of no value in this thread.
> Look you pathetic dribbling fuckwit.. you have already had your ONE > quote.. I am officially done with you.. B^]
> I am now dancing on the ashes of your LIES and there is still 3 more > quotes from the Qur'an to go.. the fact that illustrate a point > with poetry or show the links between the Quran, the Bible and the > Torah, to show their COMMON AUTHOR, is not for you, as you have shown > you are uninterested in and incapable of any meaningful converstaion > on this subject.. it is for the general reader, so that someone less > consumed with your blind hatred and
>>>>> You were given what you asked for and could not cope with it...
>>>>> Now you ignore it and change your demand..
>>>>> .... because truth is anathema to atheism.
>> If fasgnadh is soliciting for Islam
> No.. BJ asked, > "If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post it" > (then after that was easily done he changed his mind to > "Show me the Qu'ran saying 'love thy neighbour as thyself'" .. > poor cretin doesn't know that's from the Bible, not the Qur'an! )
> .. so go after him for 'soliciting' B^]
> then we can watch TWO rabid baying, lying, hate-filled dogs, > pointlessly yap and snarl at each other > ....as neither of you are worth bothering with.
Denial is one of the things that 'love' is not.
This started when one 'Ahura Mazda' posed this question: "Dear scholars, after having read the whole Quran, I would like to know, why it has, in comparison with the Bible, so few 'love-inspiring' verses".
faghdagh, idiot that he is, responded with this:
<quote> ...as a non-Muslim who has read both the Qur'an and the Bible, and find them to speak with the One voice, to different peoples in different epochs, I love the message of Love to the other People of the Book:
# "And argue not with the People of the Scripture # unless it be in ( a way) that is better, # save with such of them as do wrong; # and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us # and revealed unto you; # our God and your God is One, # and unto Him we surrender." </quote>
Clearly this is not 'love' at all - but "surrender".
The Qur'an is quite specific about what will happen if you do not "surrender" and submit totally to belief in Allah and their prophet:
"yours will be a painful doom"
A message of love? ROTFL.
This is the all-too familiar threat used by the priest-class to scare people into their control.
Nowhere in the Qur'an is there anything that remotely talks about the kind of selfless turn-the-other-cheek love that Jesus spoke of.
Faghdagh has quoted the Bible, he has found quotes about sex, he has found quotes saying that you should love Allah. He has found quotes about cows and he has found quotes describing what love is *not* - but he has found *not* *one* *single* *quote* in the Qur'an describing what love *is*.
Let's examine the assignment again: "Dear scholars, after having read the *whole* Quran, I would like to know, why it has, in comparison with the Bible, so *few* 'love-inspiring' verses".
Faghdagh has found not 'few' but NONE. Nada. Zilch. Zero.
Surely there is something there? Just one quote? One passage? One piece of advice? Who will you put your faith in, Mohammed or Faghdagh?
I put my money on Mohammed - sooner or later, something will turn up. Surely.
Month 8, and fgahdgah - formerly one Che Guava, 100% marxist - is still debating atheism like he's an expert on religion, yet he has NFI about 'love' - the central pillar of Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism and many other mature religions.
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Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord and goat fucker who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement brutality as a means of bringing people (shitskin dunecoons) under subjection - Yaako Warrior from AUZ., NZ..., Korea., Germany, RSA, USA., Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of fecal stained moslems
From: "Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord and goat fucker who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement brutality as a means of bringing people (shitskin dunecoons) under subjection - Yaako Warrior from AUZ., NZ..., Korea., Germany, RSA, USA., Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of fecal stained moslems" <"Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF >
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:55:43 -0500
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 11:55 am
Subject: Heard of the Ali Sina challenge ($50,000) - Sina's Challenge - I receive many emails from angry Muslims, who sometimes beg me, and sometimes order me to remove this site. I consider both, pleading and bullying, signs of psychopathology. Argumentum ad baculum and argumentum ad misericordiam are both logical fallacies.,,If you do not like this site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as a bully or as a victim, disprove my charges against Muhammad logically. Not only will I remove the site, I will publicly announce that Islam is a true religion. I will also pay ,,$50,000 U.S. dollars ,,to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that I have made against Muhammad. I accuse Muhammad of being:,a narcissist a misogynist a rapist,a pedophile a lecher a torturer - http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.ht m ,‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)›
Heard of the Ali Sina challenge ($50,000) - Sina's Challenge - I receive many emails from angry Muslims, who sometimes beg me, and sometimes order me to remove this site. I consider both, pleading and bullying, signs of psychopathology. Argumentum ad baculum and argumentum ad misericordiam are both logical fallacies.,,If you do not like this site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as a bully or as a victim, disprove my charges against Muhammad logically. Not only will I remove the site, I will publicly announce that Islam is a true religion. I will also pay ,,$50,000 U.S. dollars ,,to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that I have made against Muhammad. I accuse Muhammad of being:,a narcissist a misogynist a rapist,a pedophile a lecher a torturer - http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm ‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)›
Discussion subject changed to "Where's the Love among Atheists? NOWHERE, they are filled with Hatred and Malice towards most of the peoples of the Earth.!" by fasgnadh
B J Foster wrote: > fasgnadh wrote: >> B J Foster wrote: >>> fasgnadh wrote: >>>> B J Foster filibustered, snipped and ran from the question: >>>> >fasgnadh asked BJ why he ignoring 5 Quran passages on Love: >>>>>> B J Foster demanded 'show me a passage which says THIS about love" : >>>>>>> fasgnadh demonstrated the diverse insights into Love in the Qur'an: >>>>>>>> B J Foster demonstrated my subject header ignoring the passages >>>>>>>> on Love: >>>>>>>>> fasgnadh provided diverse passages about love in the Qur'an: >>>>>>>>>> Olrik declared he would acknowledge "a passage about love in >>>>>>>>>> the Qur'an": >>>>>>>>>>> B J Foster asked for "a passage about love in the Qur'an" :
>>>>>>>>>>>> If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post >>>>>>>>>>>> it...
>>>>>> I posted 5 passages about love from the Qur'an, and the response >>>>>> from this lying atheist bigot changed to.. "Find a passage >>>>>> about Love in the Quran which says what BJ Thomas wants it to say"
>>>>> Fucking liar. 2 of them are from the bible and two are about sex not >>>>> love, the fifth has gone awol.
>>>> As BJ is so desperate to maintain his feeble lie and keeps snipping the >>>> evidence I will @@ NUMBER THEM @@ for the poor cretin:
>>>>>>>>>>>> And I will be the first to acknowledge it.
>>>> Day 9 and both BJ and Olrik continue to run from the evidence...
>>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >>>> @ Quran Quote re Love #1 @ >>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>>>>> Righteousness is not that ye turn your faces towards the east >>>>>>>>>> or the >>>>>>>>>> west, but righteousness is, one who believes in God, and the last >>>>>>>>>> day, and the angels, and the Book, and the prophets, and who gives >>>>>>>>>> wealth for His love to kindred, and orphans, and the poor, and the >>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>>>>>>> son of the road, beggars, and those in captivity; and who is >>>>>>>>>> steadfast in prayer, and gives alms; and those who are sure of >>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>> covenant when they make a covenant; and the patient in poverty, >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> distress, and in time of violence; these are they who are true
>>>>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 2 - The Heifer)
>>> the word "love" was used,
>> "If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post it..."
>> You don't get to qualify a thing, you pathetic lying little shit.. >> you just get to suck up your lies and CHOKE on them!
> The usual religious threat: 'Believe or you go to hell'
>> You have had ONE, the rest are just rubbing your nose in your gutless >> ground-shifting, your absurd belief that a loveless lying fraud like you >> gets to define what Love is, and your pretence that talking about love >> isn't talking about love.
>> No JUST BECAUSE you don't understand it, just because your pathetic >> notions of love are confused with lust, and you have no concept of agape >> does not give you adjudicator rights.. you have BARE FACED LIED and my >> patience with you is at an end.
>> Admit you were wrong or FOAD! B^]
>> You are not only incapable of RECOGNISING love, even when it is clearly >> and explicitly spelt out for you, you are incapable of any rational >> discussion and have FOUR TIMES DELETED IT ALL until now your nose is >> rubbed firmly in it and you have nowhere to snip and run.. all that is >> left is your impotent WHINING;
>>>>>>>> Just as Jesus denounced the rigid clerics of HIS day, who had made >>>>>>>> the word of God their temporal fiefdoms, the Quran declares that >>>>>>>> righteousness does not depend on the rituals performed, but upon the >>>>>>>> the ACTS of LOVE to the poor and the oppressed.. for His Love.
>>>>>>>> In the modern world we have a conception of love that is debased, >>>>>>>> referring more to passion than to agape! 8^o
>>>>>>>> You see it most fervently among the atheists and their obsession >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> sexual perversion (see posts by their leader, Steve Knight, >>>>>>>> SELF-PROCLAIMED 'Warlord" and PORNOGRAPHER, and his simpering, >>>>>>>> latex bound whore)
>>> Do we have to listen to this noise?
>> No ..I will remove all your whining evasion so that only the essential >> facts remain for you to choke on. B^]
>>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >>>> @ Quran Quote re Love #2 @ >>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>>>>> Ye cannot attain to righteousness until ye expend in alms of >>>>>>>>>> what ye love. >>>> ^^^^^^
>>>>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 3 - Imran's Family)
>>> This passage is saying that if you do not give up LOVE OF MONEY then >>> you will not attain piety.
>> Well done, you not only read it you almost understood it. It teaches >> what people love to love and why they must give it up for the sake of >> real Love. As you say you had a christian upbringing I have constantly >> shown you the links to the Torah and the New Testament. This is the >> same admonition as Moses made to the Jews when they were found >> worshipping the Golden Calf. Humans love glittering baubles, The Love >> of Money is the root of all Evil.... not money itself.. it has a use.. >> but the LOVE of it becomes a perversion.
>> But we are not here to argue with the devious lying little shit about >> the nature of love.. he has snipped every attempt to engage him in >> that debate over the past posts in this thread.. he mindlessly snipped >> evey elaboration and simply LIED "there are no quotes on Lov e from the >> Qur'an... Now he is quibbling.. the poor desperate little twat.. and >> he can go fuck himself.. he has no purchse in any debate.. he is merely >> having his LIES stuffed down his throat. B^}
>> The sole purpose of my reply to him is simply to count the number of >> times his request was met, and which he then snipped and pretended did >> not exist....
>>>>>>>> WE have a flood of teenage expressions of desire, of infatuation, >>>>>>>> of attraction, of lust and passion, of need and posession.. all >>>>>>>> mistaken for Love!
>>> "Love of money", mistaken for love by faghdagh.
>> Oh, you poor pathetic fool, is that really how weak you will make >> yourself to have something that looks like a riposte? YOu are >> TRAGICALLY behind the game and every time you open your mouth you simply >> make INADVERTENT CONCESSIONS! B^D
>> THAT IS MY POINT.. read it again and see you have just made the >> Qua'ranic point!
>> "Ye cannot attain to righteousness until ye expend in alms of >> what ye love."
>> You cannot show love unless you are prepared to spend that >> which you hoard up, the MONEY which becomes the perverted object of >> your love.. you cannot truly love until you overcome the lust >> for material posessions!
>> Magazines offer object porn in exactly the same way as flesh >> is offered for lust... and men respond to the glossy photos >> of the car, or fast bike in exactly the same way "oooooooo, if >> only I could get my hands on one of those...."
>> You have almost showed a glimmer of understanding, there, >> Grasshopper..
>> And for a moment you almost appeared capable of an adult perspective >> on what genuine Love might be.... and what it is not! B^[
>>>>>>>> THE CLOD AND THE PEBBLE
>>>>>>>> 'Love seeketh not itself to please, >>>>>>>> Nor for itself has any care, >>>>>>>> But for another gives its' ease, >>>>>>>> And builds a Heaven in Hells' despair.'
>>>>>>>> So sung a little clod of clay, >>>>>>>> Trodden with the cattle's feet,
>>>>>>>> But a pebble of the brook >>>>>>>> Warbled out these metres meet:
>>>>>>>> 'Love seeketh only itself to please, >>>>>>>> To bind another to its' delight, >>>>>>>> Joys in another's loss of ease, >>>>>>>> And builds a Hell in Heavens' despite.'
>>> Bible quote #2?
>> No, and your ignorance is of no value in this thread.
>> Look you pathetic dribbling fuckwit.. you have already had your ONE >> quote.. I am officially done with you.. B^]
>> I am now dancing on the ashes of your LIES and there is still 3 more >> quotes from the Qur'an to go.. the fact that illustrate a point >> with poetry or show the links between the Quran, the Bible and the >> Torah, to show their COMMON AUTHOR, is not for you, as you have shown >> you are uninterested in and incapable of any meaningful converstaion >> on this subject.. it is for the general reader, so that someone less >> consumed with your blind hatred and mindless ignorant carping, may >> grasp the point.. which your lies are merely impaled upon.
>>> Given all the time that you've had for this simple task
>> Oh the simple task was completed half a dozen posts ago, when I >> first provided and you first snipped and claimed none were posted.
>> You are just too slow in responding honestly, so will >> roast your carcase slowly.. and LOVINGLY! B^]
>>> - I'd expect several quotes from the Qur'an by now.
B J Foster wrote: > fasgnadh wrote: >> Virgil wrote: >>> fasgnadh wrote: >>>> B J Foster filibustered, snipped and ran from the question: >>>> >fasgnadh asked BJ why he is ignoring 5 Quran passages on Love: >>>>>> B J Foster demanded 'show me a passage which says THIS about love" : >>>>>>> fasgnadh demonstrated the diverse insights into Love in the Qur'an: >>>>>>>> B J Foster demonstrated my subject header ignoring the passages >>>>>>>> on Love: >>>>>>>>> fasgnadh provided diverse passages about love in the Qur'an: >>>>>>>>>> Olrik declared he would acknowledge "a passage about love in >>>>>>>>>> the Qur'an": >>>>>>>>>>> B J Foster asked for "a passage about love in the Qur'an" :
>>>>>>>>>>>> If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post >>>>>>>>>>>> it...
>>>>>> I posted 5 passages about love from the Qur'an, and the response >>>>>> from this lying atheist bigot changed to.. "Find a passage >>>>>> about Love in the Quran which says what BJ Thomas wants it to say"
>>>> > Fucking liar. 2 of them are from the bible and two are about sex not >>>> > love, the fifth has gone awol.
>>>> As BJ is so desperate to maintain his feeble lie and keeps snipping the >>>> evidence I will @@ NUMBER THEM @@ for the poor cretin:
>>>>>>>>>>>> And I will be the first to acknowledge it.
>>>> Day 9 and both BJ and Olrik continue to run from the evidence...
>>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >>>> @ Quran Quote re Love #1 @ >>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>>>>> Righteousness is not that ye turn your faces towards the east >>>>>>>>>> or the >>>>>>>>>> west, but righteousness is, one who believes in God, and the last >>>>>>>>>> day, and the angels, and the Book, and the prophets, and who gives >>>>>>>>>> wealth for His love to kindred, and orphans, and the poor, and the >>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>>>>>>> son of the road, beggars, and those in captivity; and who is >>>>>>>>>> steadfast in prayer, and gives alms; and those who are sure of >>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>> covenant when they make a covenant; and the patient in poverty, >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> distress, and in time of violence; these are they who are true
>>>>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 2 - The Heifer)
>>>>>>>> Just as Jesus denounced the rigid clerics of HIS day, who had made >>>>>>>> the word of God their temporal fiefdoms, the Quran declares that >>>>>>>> righteousness does not depend on the rituals performed, but upon the >>>>>>>> the ACTS of LOVE to the poor and the oppressed.. for His Love.
>>>>>>>> In the modern world we have a conception of love that is debased, >>>>>>>> referring more to passion than to agape! 8^o
>>>>>>>> You see it most fervently among the atheists and their obsession >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> sexual perversion (see posts by their leader, Steve Knight, >>>>>>>> SELF-PROCLAIMED 'Warlord" and PORNOGRAPHER, and his simpering, >>>>>>>> latex bound whore)
>>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >>>> @ Quran Quote re Love #2 @ >>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>>>>> Ye cannot attain to righteousness until ye expend in alms of >>>>>>>>>> what ye >>>>>>>>>> love. >>>> ^^^^^^
>>>>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 3 - Imran's Family)
>>>>>>>> WE have a flood of teenage expressions of desire, of infatuation, >>>>>>>> of attraction, of lust and passion, of need and posession.. all >>>>>>>> mistaken for Love!
>>>>>>>> THE CLOD AND THE PEBBLE
>>>>>>>> 'Love seeketh not itself to please, >>>>>>>> Nor for itself has any care, >>>>>>>> But for another gives its' ease, >>>>>>>> And builds a Heaven in Hells' despair.'
>>>>>>>> So sung a little clod of clay, >>>>>>>> Trodden with the cattle's feet,
>>>>>>>> But a pebble of the brook >>>>>>>> Warbled out these metres meet:
>>>>>>>> 'Love seeketh only itself to please, >>>>>>>> To bind another to its' delight, >>>>>>>> Joys in another's loss of ease, >>>>>>>> And builds a Hell in Heavens' despite.'
>>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >>>> @ Quran Quote re Love #3 @ >>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>>>>> for God doth love the kind. >>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 3 - Imran's Family)
>>>>>>>> You asked for these quotes, and here they are, explaining >>>>>>>> what God loves.. not what mankind chooses for itself.
>>>>>>>> These are not my gifts to you, they are from the everlasting God, >>>>>>>> who has at all times and in all places provided guidance for his >>>>>>>> creation.
>>>>>>>> You asked for them, and I, in good faith provided them, and you, >>>>>>>> as I said you would, dismissed them out of hand!
>>>>>>>> What does it profit you ... if you have not Love? >>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >>>> @ Quran Quote re Love #4 @ >>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>>>>> and thou wilt find the nearest in love to those who believe to be >>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>>>>>>> those who say, 'We are Christians;'
>>>>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 5 - The Table)
>>>>>>>> And today, we see the Church, who had the perfect exemplar of Love, >>>>>>>> Jesus, for 2000 years and did not show Love to Islam, now >>>>>>>> reaching out >>>>>>>> and grasping that hand, offered to them by God, a gift, and a TEST, >>>>>>>> 1400 years ago....
>>>>>>>> And Allah is the Merciful, and the Patience of YHWH is endless >>>>>>>> and the Love of Jehovah will embrace the whole world...
>>>>>>>> as soon as tiny mean spirited men.... listen
>>>>>>>> and inscribe the words upon their hearts
>>>>>>>> and LIVE THEIR LOVE...
>>>>>>>> ..for that is all there is to learn in this world.
>>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >>>> @ Quran Quote re Love #5 @ >>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>>>>> Verily, those who believe and act aright, to them the Merciful >>>>>>>>>> will >>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>>>>>>> give love. >>>> ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 19 - Mary)
>>>>>> BJ asked
>>>>>> "If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post it..."
>>>>>> I have posted five of them.
>>>>>> BJ lied and said none had been posted
>>>>>> I then annotated them. B^]
>>>>>> BJ snipped it all, and lied again
>>>>>> Now BJ changes his request to "Show me a passage which >>>>>> says THIS, in particular, about love."
>>>>>>> Show me one single passage from the Qu'ran which says "love thy >>>>>>> neighbour as thyself"
>>>> B^D But that's a quote from the Bible! Doesn't BJ know the >>>> Qur'an and the Bible are different books? 8^o
>>>> And there is is, the inadvertent admission that he did not simply >>>> miss the 5 quotations from the Qur'an on Love, but he has seen them >>>> and knows he needs to ALTER what it is he asked for, because his >>>> original request has been met! His dishonesty and lack of intelelctual >>>> integrity is clear!
>>>> How pathetic and deceitful he is in DESPERATE attempts to shift >>>> ground simply so he can avoid admitting he is wrong, and has lied >>>> to cover up his embarrassment.
>>>>>> You were given what you asked for and could not cope with it...
>>>>>> Now you ignore it and change your demand..
>>>>>> .... because truth is anathema to atheism.
>>> If fasgnadh is soliciting for Islam
>> No.. BJ asked, >> "If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post it" >> (then after that was easily done he changed his mind to >> "Show me the Qu'ran saying 'love thy neighbour as thyself'" .. >> poor cretin doesn't know that's from the Bible, not the Qur'an! )
>> .. so go after him for 'soliciting' B^]
>> then we can watch TWO rabid baying, lying, hate-filled dogs, >> pointlessly yap and snarl at each other >> ....as neither of you are worth bothering with.
> Denial is one of the things that 'love' is not.
Oh, you are definitely the expert on what love is NOT: B^D
> "yours will be a painful doom"
> A message of love?
Of course not you know nothing about love and the best you can do is ignore the passages about Love and quote what happens to those of you who know not love! B^]
It's not a punishment, you know.. it's just the natural law..
if you are a loveless prick, you are doomed to be miserable!
Don't blame God for merely warning you of your fate! B^D
You can go back to gnashing your teeth and snarling like a rabid dog, now!
> Faghdagh has found quotes
And you can CHOKE on them, you sad, hate-filled little tosser;
> Let's examine the assignment again:
Sure, I don't mind how often you want to humiliate yourself:
B J Foster wrote: > fasgnadh wrote:
>> B J Foster filibustered, snipped and ran from the question: >> >fasgnadh asked BJ why he ignoring 5 Quran passages on Love: >>>> B J Foster demanded 'show me a passage which says THIS about love" : >>>>> fasgnadh demonstrated the diverse insights into Love in the Qur'an: >>>>>> B J Foster demonstrated my subject header ignoring the passages on Love: >>>>>>> fasgnadh provided diverse passages about love in the Qur'an: >>>>>>>> Olrik declared he would acknowledge "a passage about love in the Qur'an": >>>>>>>>> B J Foster asked for "a passage about love in the Qur'an" : >> >>>>>>>>>> If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, >>>>>>>>>> please post it... >>>>
...
fasgnadh wrote: > B J Foster wrote: >> fasgnadh wrote: >>> B J Foster wrote: >>>> fasgnadh wrote: >>>>> B J Foster filibustered, snipped and ran from the question: >>>>> >fasgnadh asked BJ why he ignoring 5 Quran passages on Love: >>>>>>> B J Foster demanded 'show me a passage which says THIS about love" : >>>>>>>> fasgnadh demonstrated the diverse insights into Love in the Qur'an: >>>>>>>>> B J Foster demonstrated my subject header ignoring the passages >>>>>>>>> on Love: >>>>>>>>>> fasgnadh provided diverse passages about love in the Qur'an: >>>>>>>>>>> Olrik declared he would acknowledge "a passage about love in >>>>>>>>>>> the Qur'an": >>>>>>>>>>>> B J Foster asked for "a passage about love in the Qur'an" :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post >>>>>>>>>>>>> it...
>>>>>>> I posted 5 passages about love from the Qur'an, and the response >>>>>>> from this lying atheist bigot changed to.. "Find a passage >>>>>>> about Love in the Quran which says what BJ Thomas wants it to say"
>>>>>> Fucking liar. 2 of them are from the bible and two are about sex not >>>>>> love, the fifth has gone awol.
>>>>> As BJ is so desperate to maintain his feeble lie and keeps snipping >>>>> the >>>>> evidence I will @@ NUMBER THEM @@ for the poor cretin:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I will be the first to acknowledge it.
>>>>> Day 9 and both BJ and Olrik continue to run from the evidence...
>>>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >>>>> @ Quran Quote re Love #1 @ >>>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>>>>>> Righteousness is not that ye turn your faces towards the east >>>>>>>>>>> or the >>>>>>>>>>> west, but righteousness is, one who believes in God, and the >>>>>>>>>>> last >>>>>>>>>>> day, and the angels, and the Book, and the prophets, and who >>>>>>>>>>> gives >>>>>>>>>>> wealth for His love to kindred, and orphans, and the poor, >>>>>>>>>>> and the >>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>>>>>>>> son of the road, beggars, and those in captivity; and who is >>>>>>>>>>> steadfast in prayer, and gives alms; and those who are sure >>>>>>>>>>> of their >>>>>>>>>>> covenant when they make a covenant; and the patient in >>>>>>>>>>> poverty, and >>>>>>>>>>> distress, and in time of violence; these are they who are true
>>>>>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 2 - The Heifer)
>>>> the word "love" was used,
>>> "If there is a passage about love in the Qur'an, please post it..."
>>> You don't get to qualify a thing, you pathetic lying little shit.. >>> you just get to suck up your lies and CHOKE on them!
>> The usual religious threat: 'Believe or you go to hell'
> I haven't threatened you. I haven't mentioned "hell".
Silly twit, no-one said that *you* did.
> I'm an agnostic and you are a liar.
Whatever. Still no sign of anything remotely resembling love from the Qur'an - unless you mean
> I have just told you to choke on your lies.
> And clearly .. YOU ARE! B^D
>> (200 lines of noise ignored)
> Snip and run.. it's all you can do when you are CHOKING on your lies!
Yes run along. You got your stupid arse kicked in politics - and now you have shown that you have NFI about religion either.
Lemme summarise it for you: Love in the new testament is love for your fellow human being - this was what Jesus taught us. You had a task to show just one passage from the Qur'an which described the selfless love which is at the heart of Christianity:
"Dear scholars, after having read the whole Quran, I would like to know, why it has, in comparison with the Bible, so few 'love-inspiring' verses"
After several weeks, you have failed to identify just *one* such verse.
>>> You have had ONE, the rest are just rubbing your nose in your gutless >>> ground-shifting, your absurd belief that a loveless lying fraud like >>> you gets to define what Love is, and your pretence that talking about >>> love isn't talking about love.
>>> No JUST BECAUSE you don't understand it, just because your pathetic >>> notions of love are confused with lust, and you have no concept of agape >>> does not give you adjudicator rights.. you have BARE FACED LIED and my >>> patience with you is at an end.
>>> Admit you were wrong or FOAD! B^]
>>> You are not only incapable of RECOGNISING love, even when it is >>> clearly and explicitly spelt out for you, you are incapable of any >>> rational >>> discussion and have FOUR TIMES DELETED IT ALL until now your nose is >>> rubbed firmly in it and you have nowhere to snip and run.. all that is >>> left is your impotent WHINING;
>>>>>>>>> Just as Jesus denounced the rigid clerics of HIS day, who had made >>>>>>>>> the word of God their temporal fiefdoms, the Quran declares that >>>>>>>>> righteousness does not depend on the rituals performed, but >>>>>>>>> upon the >>>>>>>>> the ACTS of LOVE to the poor and the oppressed.. for His Love.
>>>>>>>>> In the modern world we have a conception of love that is debased, >>>>>>>>> referring more to passion than to agape! 8^o
>>>>>>>>> You see it most fervently among the atheists and their >>>>>>>>> obsession with >>>>>>>>> sexual perversion (see posts by their leader, Steve Knight, >>>>>>>>> SELF-PROCLAIMED 'Warlord" and PORNOGRAPHER, and his simpering, >>>>>>>>> latex bound whore)
>>>> Do we have to listen to this noise?
>>> No ..I will remove all your whining evasion so that only the >>> essential facts remain for you to choke on. B^]
>>>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >>>>> @ Quran Quote re Love #2 @ >>>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>>>>>>>>>> Ye cannot attain to righteousness until ye expend in alms of >>>>>>>>>>> what ye love. >>>>> ^^^^^^
>>>>>>>>>>> (The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 3 - Imran's Family)
>>>> This passage is saying that if you do not give up LOVE OF MONEY then >>>> you will not attain piety.
>>> Well done, you not only read it you almost understood it. It teaches >>> what people love to love and why they must give it up for the sake of >>> real Love. As you say you had a christian upbringing I have constantly >>> shown you the links to the Torah and the New Testament. This is the >>> same admonition as Moses made to the Jews when they were found >>> worshipping the Golden Calf. Humans love glittering baubles, The Love >>> of Money is the root of all Evil.... not money itself.. it has a >>> use.. but the LOVE of it becomes a perversion.
>>> But we are not here to argue with the devious lying little shit about >>> the nature of love.. he has snipped every attempt to engage him in >>> that debate over the past posts in this thread.. he mindlessly snipped >>> evey elaboration and simply LIED "there are no quotes on Lov e from >>> the Qur'an... Now he is quibbling.. the poor desperate little >>> twat.. and he can go fuck himself.. he has no purchse in any >>> debate.. he is merely having his LIES stuffed down his throat. B^}
>>> The sole purpose of my reply to him is simply to count the number of >>> times his request was met, and which he then snipped and pretended did >>> not exist....
>>>>>>>>> WE have a flood of teenage expressions of desire, of infatuation, >>>>>>>>> of attraction, of lust and passion, of need and posession.. all >>>>>>>>> mistaken for Love!
>>>> "Love of money", mistaken for love by faghdagh.
>>> Oh, you poor pathetic fool, is that really how weak you will make >>> yourself to have something that looks like a riposte? YOu are >>> TRAGICALLY behind the game and every time you open your mouth you simply >>> make INADVERTENT CONCESSIONS! B^D
>>> THAT IS MY POINT.. read it again and see you have just made the >>> Qua'ranic point!
>>> "Ye cannot attain to righteousness until ye expend in alms of >>> what ye love."
>>> You cannot show love unless you are prepared to spend that >>> which you hoard up, the MONEY which becomes the perverted object of >>> your love.. you cannot truly love until you overcome the lust >>> for material posessions!
>>> Magazines offer object porn in exactly the same way as flesh >>> is offered for lust... and men respond to the glossy photos >>> of the car, or fast bike in exactly the same way "oooooooo, if >>> only I could get my hands on one of those...."
>>> You have almost showed a glimmer of understanding, there, >>> Grasshopper..
>>> And for a moment you almost appeared capable of an adult perspective >>> on what genuine Love might be.... and what it is not! B^[
>>>>>>>>> THE CLOD AND THE PEBBLE
>>>>>>>>> 'Love seeketh not itself to please, >>>>>>>>> Nor for itself has any care, >>>>>>>>> But for another gives its' ease, >>>>>>>>> And builds a Heaven in Hells' despair.'
>>>>>>>>> So sung a little clod of clay, >>>>>>>>> Trodden with the cattle's feet,
>>>>>>>>> But a pebble of the brook >>>>>>>>> Warbled out these metres meet:
>>>>>>>>> 'Love seeketh only itself to please, >>>>>>>>> To bind another to its' delight, >>>>>>>>> Joys in another's loss of ease, >>>>>>>>> And builds a Hell in Heavens' despite.'
>>>> Bible quote #2?
>>> No, and your ignorance is of no value in this thread.
>>> Look you pathetic dribbling fuckwit.. you have already had your ONE >>> quote.. I am officially done with you.. B^]
>>> I am now dancing on the ashes of your LIES and there is still 3 more >>> quotes from the Qur'an to go.. the fact that illustrate a point >>> with poetry or show the
>>> then we can watch TWO rabid baying, lying, hate-filled dogs, >>> pointlessly yap and snarl at each other >>> ....as neither of you are worth bothering with.
>> Denial is one of the things that 'love' is not.
> Oh, you are definitely the expert on what love is NOT: B^D
Indeed. After reading your length monotribes on what love is not, anyone who cares to read your voluminous crap might be forgiven for thinking that they might be an expert in what love is *not* - but no-one is any closer to learning what love is - not if they rely on you to quote the Qur'an, that is, because you have not identified one single passage about what it *is*.
Still an open quetion:
"Dear scholars, after having read the whole Quran, I would like to know, why it has, in comparison with the Bible, so few 'love-inspiring' verses"
Discussion subject changed to "Heard of the Ali Sina challenge ($50,000) - Sina's Challenge - I receive many emails from angry Muslims, who sometimes beg me, and sometimes order me to remove this site. I consider both, pleading and bullying, signs of psychopathology. Argumentum ad baculum and argumentum ad misericordiam are both logical fallacies.,,If you do not like this site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as a bully or as a victim, disprove my charges against Muhammad logically. Not only will I remove the site, I will publicly announce that Islam is a true religion. I will also pay ,,$50,000 U.S. dollars ,,to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that I have made against Muhammad. I accuse Muhammad of being:,a narcissist a misogynist a rapist,a pedophile a lecher a torturer - http://www.faithfreedom.org/ch allenge.htm ,‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)›,,,,الإسلام يأخذ الحمار القضيب في الش" by Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord and goat fucker who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement brutality as a means of bringing people (shitskin dunecoons) under subjection - Yaako Warrior from AUZ., NZ..., Korea., Germany, RSA, USA., Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of fecal stained moslems
Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord and goat fucker who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement brutality as a means of bringing people (shitskin dunecoons) under subjection - Yaako Warrior from AUZ., NZ..., Korea., Germany, RSA, USA., Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of fecal stained moslems
From: "Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord and goat fucker who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement brutality as a means of bringing people (shitskin dunecoons) under subjection - Yaako Warrior from AUZ., NZ..., Korea., Germany, RSA, USA., Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of fecal stained moslems" <"Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF >
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:42:49 -0500
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 11:42 pm
Subject: Re: Heard of the Ali Sina challenge ($50,000) - Sina's Challenge - I receive many emails from angry Muslims, who sometimes beg me, and sometimes order me to remove this site. I consider both, pleading and bullying, signs of psychopathology. Argumentum ad baculum and argumentum ad misericordiam are both logical fallacies.,,If you do not like this site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as a bully or as a victim, disprove my charges against Muhammad logically. Not only will I remove the site, I will publicly announce that Islam is a true religion. I will also pay ,,$50,000 U.S. dollars ,,to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that I have made against Muhammad. I accuse Muhammad of being:,a narcissist a misogynist a rapist,a pedophile a lecher a torturer - http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.ht m ,‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)›,,,,الإسلام يأخذ الحمار القضيب في الش
Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord and goat fucker who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement brutality as a means of bringing people (shitskin dunecoons) under subjection - Yaako Warrior from AUZ., NZ..., Korea., Germany, RSA, USA., Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of fecal stained moslems Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF > wrote:
> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord > and goat fucker who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement > brutality as a means of bringing people (shitskin dunecoons) under > subjection - Yaako Warrior from AUZ., NZ..., Korea., Germany, RSA, USA., > Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the > slayer of fecal stained moslems Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF > wrote: >> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord >> and goat fucker who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement >> brutality as a means of bringing people (shitskin dunecoons) under >> subjection - Yaako Warrior from AUZ., NZ..., Korea., Germany, RSA, >> USA., Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, China, Denmark, UK, >> .........., the slayer of fecal stained moslems Dr. Sir John Howard, >> AC, WSCMoF > wrote:
>>> Heard of the Ali Sina challenge ($50,000) - Sina's Challenge - I >>> receive many emails from angry Muslims, who sometimes beg me, and >>> sometimes order me to remove this site. I consider both, pleading and >>> bullying, signs of psychopathology. Argumentum ad baculum and >>> argumentum ad misericordiam are both logical fallacies.,,If you do >>> not like this site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as a >>> bully or as a victim, disprove my charges against Muhammad >>> logically. Not only will I remove the site, I will publicly announce >>> that Islam is a true religion. I will also pay ,,$50,000 U.S. dollars >>> ,,to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that >>> I have made against Muhammad. I accuse Muhammad of being:,a >>> narcissist a misogynist a rapist,a pedophile a lecher a >>> torturer - http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm >>> ‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)›
>> ‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)›moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum >> allaah were child molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks >> 이슬람의 성기를 빨아 당나귀 - >> الإسلام يأخذ الحمار القضيب في الشرج ‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)›
>> helpingg...@gmail.com >> fes...@wn.apc.org >> nextsapreside...@gmail.com >> i...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or >> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com >> arah1...@gmail.com >> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com >> furtivo4...@gmail.com
>> Wassim Noujeim = Faris Jawad
>> ** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan ** >> http://www.link.net >> Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd >> Fastlink, Jordan
>> Wassim Noujeim (shitskin moslem Faris Jawad) left Canada to attend a >> terrorist training camp in Jordan, and he spent his last nigh in Canda >> at this hotel : MONTREAL-AIRPORT,,6500 COTE DE LIESSE,MONTREAL, QC >> H4T1E3 CANADA,Hotel Front Desk: 1-514-7393391 :::: Shitskin >> moslem, Wassim Noujeim, abusing this service :- Canada, Saint-laurent, >> QC h4t1e3, Cote De Liesse Hotels, Bell Canada --- >> Wassim Noujeim. 8110 Pesant Saint-Leonard, QC H1R 2Y2 Canada. >> Phone: +1 514 728 0550 mailto: nouj...@yahoo.com - >> ---- 이슬람의 성기를 빨아 당나귀 - - الإسلام يأخذ الحمار القضيب في الشرج >> ‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)›
>> Hamzeh Abu-Abed >> Thomas Santa - tsa...@med.usyd.edu.au >> mehyaaw...@hotmail.com >> kaled14...@gmail.com
>> Heard of the Ali Sina challenge ($50,000) - Sina's Challenge - I >> receive many emails from angry Muslims, who sometimes beg me, and >> sometimes order me to remove this site. I consider both, pleading and >> bullying, signs
Playing the Whiteman's game of Judicial Bullshit: High Court Australia (French, Hayne, Gummow, Crennan), Senate Constitution and Legal Affairs Committee (Barnett and Crossin)
Dear Mr Gerrit H. Schorel-Hlavka,
I believe that we have had this discussion previously:
1. There is NO doubt that the framers of the Constitution wanted to safeguard freedom, rule of law, justice and the will of the people. 2. Your "interpretation" is that the framers wanted it ALL for the Whiteman; I DO NOT DISAGREE.
My contention is that point 1 must be maintained whilst point 2 should be interpreted as "for better governance" s51(xxvi). Point 1 makes for civilised society whilst point 2, drives us back to savages; "for better governance" is another discretionary clause which can easily be abused (as in the NT intervention, i will get to later)
With due respect sir, your reading of the"intentions" of the framers of the Constitution is an anachronism: the Constitution by itself does NOT discriminate based on RACE in an adverse way.
If a referendum on multiculturalism (for argument sakes) were to take place, chances are the idiots would vote to get rid of it. But here is what would happen, the International Community would ostracise Australia, and the Chinese would buy mineral ore from South America, leaving Australia with dirt ! Where would the Lucky Country be without the global community.
Global Community means global laws: unlike the US, Australia has not only signed UN human rights treaties, ICCPR and ICERD, inter alia, they also signed up to the International Criminal Court's Rome Statutes. (Whiteman and treaty DONOT go together to well)
Has the Commonwealth of Australia done all this with the will of the Australian people, as in a referendum? Thats NOT my problem. Has the Commonwealth of Australia done all this in order to only help White Australia, through a referendum? Thats NOT my problem.
My ONLY concern is with the rule of law and justice:
After having signed the UN Human Rights Treaties, the Commonwealth enacted 2 local laws to implement the 2 treaties, namely
1. Race Discrimination Act 1975 2. Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission Act 1986; inter alia
The Art of Perverting Justice, & of Racism by White Australia: Documentary How the Australian judiciary and the Australian High Court conspire to pervert justice, dispense with the rule of law, and using the police to harass and victimise australians
Well you can say those laws discriminate based on race but is "discrimination" the correct term when the effect is positive.
Is the law discriminatory for the jewish "people" if it sends people to jail for denying the existence of the Holocaust?
You, sir, need to define the term "discriminate", if not "race".
We challenged the Senate Constitution and Legal Affairs Committee (chaired by Barnett and Crossin) to secede from the 2 UN Human Rights, and they have refused. They have NOT enacted any "discriminatory" laws, they just renamed the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission Act 1986 to the Australian Human Rights Act 1986, with the intention of removing the "Equal Opportunity" part so that their corrupt commission and judges can apply the Act in an arbitrary way, ie sending people to jail for standing up for freedom of speech in denying the existence of the Holocaust.
The Commission and the Judges dont have discretionary powers at all, they must comply with the two UN Human Rights Treaties as enshrined "discriminatorily" by the 2+ local laws RDA1975 and HREOCA1986.
We are not interested in playing or participating in the Whiteman's game of "Judicial Bullshit" (TM) as you seem to be doing; what we ask is for the rule of law to upheld, and not having the legal goalpost continuously being moved !
M142 of 2007 Pham vs French & ors, is about a high court judge (Hayne J) running the case for an absent respondent; where in the Constitution does it say a judge can run a case for any persons before the court? ICCPR 14.1 enforces an independent and impartial judiciary. Not only that but Hayne J modified the Writ of Mandamus into a Writ of ceratori, without our authorisation. Where in Constitution, does it say a judge can modify the frame of reference of the court application?
The French we are talking about is none other than our current Chief Justice of the High Court, Robert Shenton French. Kevin Rudd knew about a Application for Mandamus against French J, and yet made him the Chief Justice. Where is the separation of powers of executive and judiciary as enshrine in the Constitution?
Australia's de facto Bill of Rights (HREOCA1986) under threat from a Corrupt, Racist White nation
The Racist Hypocrites are not enacting "discriminatory" laws, they are applying Human Rights laws discriminatorily based on which of their friends they can save.
eg. they slander the Indigenous people with child abuse (which occurs in all cultures), got their mates in the High Court to suspend the RDA1975 arbitrarily, enacted Marshall Law in the NT, just so they can set up Nuclear dumps.
Can you not see abuse of the Constitution without relying on an incorrect reading of the s51 (XXVI) ?
Look up case Pham vs COMCARE and read the decision of Senior Member John Handley, and see the abuse of the Evidence Act, in the AAT jurisdiction. John Handley abuses facts (fabricating facts, and evidence) so that Appeals cannot brought on facts (one of the worst case of conspiracy to pervert justice by the Australia Judiciary); we brought it on judicial bias which their corrupt judges including French decide to do extra-judicial fudging of the book.
Leave to Appeals is the worst abuse of discretionary powers in Australian Judicature, is it permissible in the Constitution; it will be tested in the High Court.
These judges are corrupt and useless; whenever they do not have legal responses they then install "deputy" registars and prothonotary to deal with questions of law (Gummow and Crennan, Byrne JJ); Does the Constitution allow these administrative officers to act as a judicial officers?
As a matter of fact: are Australian Judges even appointed legally by order of the Privy Council and the Queen, through your precious Constitution? If NOT then the Australian "judiciary" is acting extra-judicial and ultra vires (a term i have introduced to you, and glad to see you using).
Anyone charged with sedition or terrorism, should challenge the validity of the judges or just use a defense of Citizen's Arrest of corrupt judicial officers and government officials.
If i am incorrect about any of this, feel free to enlighten me: I will test it out in the court of law in case
VID 91/2009 Pham vs DEWR on the 26th October 2009 @ 10:00 am 6th Floor (?) Owen Dixon Commonwealth Law Courts Building 305 William Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Telephone (03) 8600 3333
This case was presented to the Senate Constitution and Legal Affairs and they decided to sweep it under the carpet; Inquiry into Australia’s Judicial System and the Role of Judges Inquiry into Access to Justice They haven't enacted any discriminatory laws, the Racist Hypocrites want their cake and eat it as well, by "acting" discriminatorily in excluding ethnics from having a say in those 2 INQUIRIES, in carrying out their duties as law makers for the "better governance" of Australia under the Constitution and the RAD1975 and HREOAC1986.
This case is once again from John Handley, Senior Member AAT, abusing discretionary powers which he doesnt have, abuse the Evidence Act, with the hope not to have an Appeals heard on facts, perverting justice and fabricating evidence, and of course apprehended bias.
Come see your Constitution in action and whether the Rule of Law is dead in Australia.
I read your reference to Pham v French and you comment about racism but what I found was; Pham v French & Ors [2008] HCATrans 3 (24 January 2008) QUOTE HIS HONOUR: The Racial Discrimination Act makes quite plain that racial discrimination is unlawful. END QUOTE .
It should be understood however that the federal Parliament has no powers to override the constitution and s.51(xxvi) specifically provides that the Commonwealth can enact special laws against any race and so can discriminate!
As such, in that regard also racism is constitutionally permissible (even so I oppose this personally) and any legislation purporting otherwise is ULTRA VIRES.
Hence, the federal parliament can enact any legislation against any specific race and is entitled to do so.
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What however is the problem is that a special legislation against a race can only be discriminatory against that race subjected to this legislation and must be applied to all people of that race.
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The 1967 referendum in regard of s.51(xxvi() was grossly deceptive in that it failed to inform electros and so also Aboriginals of the true meaning of this section and how it’s amended format could be used against Aboriginals.
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As a CONSTITUTIONALIST I am well aware of the expressed intentions of the Framers of the Constitution’s intention that the Commonwealth is prohibited to enact any race legislation against the general community.
Discussion subject changed to "Where's the Love among Liars like fasgnadh? NOWHERE, they are filled with Hatred and Malice towards most of the peoples of the Earth.!" by Virgil
In article <IkpJm.53074$ze1.13...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > B J Foster wrote: > > fasgnadh wrote: > >> B J Foster wrote: > >>> fasgnadh wrote: > >> You don't get to qualify a thing, you pathetic lying little shit.. > >> you just get to suck up your lies and CHOKE on them!
> > The usual religious threat: 'Believe or you go to hell'
> WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Don't cry, Fasgnadh, if you swallow enough of that theist crap, it may let you believe you are saved from a hell that does not exist anyway.
> I'm an agnostic and you are a liar.
Fasgnadh is either a theist liar of an atheist liar
> I have just told you to choke on your lies.
Which leaves our throats much clearer that the same order would do to fasgnadh's throat.
> > (200 lines of noise ignored)
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." --- Mark Twain"
I don’t think God exists, but if He does I’m glad that He’ll be my judge instead of His followers"
"Every time I see a rainbow, I remember that it’s God’s way of saying "I’m sorry, and I promise I won’t kill every living thing on Earth ever again. Honest.’"
"Jesus was the bastard child of an unwed mother" -unknown
"The only problem with Baptists is that they don’t hold them under long enough" -unknown
"If there’s no God, then who pops up the next Kleenex?" -unknown
"To you I’m an atheist; to God, I’m the loyal opposition" -Woody Allen?
"An agnostic is an atheist without the courage of his convictions" - Woody Allen?
"Just in terms of allocation of time resources, religion is not very efficient. There's a lot more I could be doing on a Sunday morning." - Bill Gates
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." -Steven Weinberg
"What a queer thing is Christian salvation! Believing in firemen will not save a burning house; believing in doctors will not make one well, but believing in a savior saves men. Fudge!" -Lemuel Washburn
"Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned." -Author Unknown
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality." -George Bernard Shaw
"A myth is a religion in which no one any longer believes." -James Feibleman
"In Heaven all the interesting people are missing." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"I viewed my fellow man not as a fallen angel, but as a risen ape." - Desmond Morris
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -Blaise Pascal
"The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma." -Abraham Lincoln
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature." -Thomas Jefferson
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church." -Thomas Paine
"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children are smart." -Henry Mencken
"Puritanism - the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy." -Henry Mencken
"What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way." -Bertrand Russell
"The most ridiculous concept ever perpetrated by Homo Sapiens is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of his creations, that he can be persuaded by their prayers, and becomes petulant if he does not receive this flattery. Yet this ridiculous notion, without one real shred of evidence to bolster it, has gone on to found one of the oldest, largest and least productive industries in history." -Robert Heinlein
"I do not think that the real reason why people accept religion is anything to do with argumentation. They accept religion on emotional grounds. One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion, because religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it." -Bertrand Russell
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich." -Napoleon Bonaparte
"Hell is an outrage on humanity. When you tell me that your deity made you in his image, I reply that he must have been very ugly." -Victor Hugo
"Religion to me has always been the wound, not the bandage." -Dennis Potter
"Take from the church the miraculous, the supernatural, the incomprehensible, the unreasonable, the impossible, the unknowable, the absurd, and nothing but a vacuum remains." -Robert G. Ingersoll
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." -Albert Einstein
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration - courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth." -Henry Mencken
"Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense." -Francois Marie Arouet (Voltaire)
"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." -Napoleon Bonaparte
"Our hope of immortality does not come from any religions, but nearly all religions come from that hope." -Robert G. Ingersoll
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin." -Cardinal Bellarmine
Discussion subject changed to "Where's Fasgnadh among theists? NOWHERE, He, as they are, is filled with Hatred and Malice towards most of the peoples of the Earth.!" by Virgil
25 to 40 millions death in the world demonstrating that the Jenner / Pasteurian Criminals theories were & are complete fraud... and so the alleged preventive Vaccinations orchestrated by the WHO criminal organisation in Switzerland ...leading to immediate Guillain-Barré Syndrome in the quickest response of the organism ( an acute inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (AIDP), an autoimmune disorder affecting the peripheral nervous system. GBS is a side- effect of influenza vaccines ) ... and in slower responses Myopathies of Duchêne, Alzheimer, Parkinson, M.Sclerosis & of course paralytic death
Of course the French & British Government did everything to hide the frauds of the most outstanding Holocaust Criminals in all History of Mankind : The Jenner / Pasteur antibiotic clueless fools , the first credited with the worse Tuberculosis Pandemy thanks to his Vaccine Turberculinis strain found in infected cow pustules pus & the other fool with the Lung Cancer & other types of cancers thanks to his abominable vaccine poisons ! Hence although millions were buried in both countries by Tumbrels fulls at night in common graves, nothing transpired except in Spain, which has not vested interest in supporting a most fraudulent science of alleged Medecine ! Of course the clueless Pollies are just doing what told to them by the greedy vaccine producing labs living out of Humanity beliefs that the causes of dizeazezz are germz, viruzez & eugenezzz ! Of course the Black Plagues of 1918 & 1958 demonstrate the fallacies of such Jenner / Pasteur theories, and this is why the real symptoms of the alleged Spanish & Asian Flu were carefully hidden. André Malraux, Minister of the French Republic died of the Black Plague indeed, a few weeks after being vaccinated with an alleged harmless Flu shot.
At the time of writing, only POLAND OF ALL NATIONS HAS THE COURAGE TO REFUSE TO BE PARTY IN THE MASSACRE OF HIS OWN POPULATION BY THE SEASONAL FLU SHOT WHICH UNKNOWN TO ALL CONTAINS THE 3 STRAINS : AVIAN SWINE& BLACK PLAGUE FLU RECOVERED IN CORPSES OF 1918 ABOVE THE POLAR CIRCLE !
HONOUR TO POLAND AN TO THE GREAT POLISH PEOPLE !!!
Q : What are the symptoms of the Black Plague ? A : Overwhelming cyanosis
Q : What happens when the victims die in terrible suffering A: The body become immediately black due to the hemorrhagic blood present under the whole body derm
Q : What is the immediate cure in less than 10 minutes, unknown by the Dizeaze Industry (DI) and tis lecherous bed-side mannered Quacks supporting that criminal Pharmacist/Chemist business ! A : Just find it out ! Note As a clue, as easy as the discovery of the Great Sandy Desert immense deposits... surely the noted Australian Mining & Political Criminals, especially that parliamentary filth sitting on the West Australia Parliament on their fucking arses will find out that answer in no time at all .. Just ask them or their official mining heroes for immediate answer !
With kindest regards to all
Note as a bonus under my signature will appears all the goodies the Criminals ' run Labs are putting in their shot, just to be sure the expected results are obtained
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud Australia Mining Pioneer Discoverer & Legal Owner of Telfer Mine (Australia largest Copper & Gold Mine) Nifty (Cu) & Kintyre (U, Th) Mines, all in the Great Sandy Desert Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant Founder of the True Geology
~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One Never Forgiven ~
CONNAISSEZ-VOUS LA SOUPE DU DIABLE ACTUELLEMENT ASSOCIEE AUX VACCINS ?
Ce qui suit est tellement gros qu’on a du mal à y croire.
- ALUMINIUM (adjuvant) : Responsable de dommages cérébraux, suspecté d'être la cause de la maladie d'Alzheimer, de certaines démences, de comas et d'attaques. Responsable également d'allergies cutanées. Lourdement impliqué dans la myofasciite à macrophages. - SULFATE D'AMMONIUM : Suspecté d'attaquer le foie, le système nerveux, le système gastro-intestinal et respiratoire. - BÊTA- PROPIOLACTONE : Connu pour ses propriétés cancérigènes, suspecté d'attaquer le foie, le système respiratoire et gastro- intestinal ainsi que la peau et les organes des sens. - LEVURES GENETIQUEMENT MODIFIEES (OGM !!!), - ADN BACTERIEN OU VIRAL D'ANIMAUX : Substances qui peuvent se combiner à l'ADN des vaccinés et entraîner des mutations génétiques inconnues. - LATEX : qui peut produire des réactions allergiques mettant en péril le pronostic vital - GLUTAMATE DE SODIUM : neurotoxique connu pour ses effets mutagènes, tératogènes, entraînant des malformations et monstruosités et des effets sur la descendance. Responsable d’allergies. - FORMALDEHYDE (formol) : Carcinogène, impliqué dans les leucémies, les cancers du cerveau, du colon, des organes lymphatiques; suspecté d'occasionner des problèmes gastro-intestinaux; poison violent pour le foie, le système immunitaire, le système nerveux, les organes de reproduction. - POLYSORBATE 80 : Connu pour causer des cancers chez les animaux. - TRI(N)BUTYLPHOSPHATE : Suspecté d'être un poison pour les reins et les nerfs. - GLUTARALDEHYDE : Poison, s'il est ingéré; responsable de malformations néonatales chez les animaux d'expérimentation - GELATINE : Produite à partir de certaines parties de la peau des veaux ainsi que des os de bovins déminéralisés et de peau de porcs. Responsable d'allergies. - GENTAMYCINE ET POLYMYXINE B : Antibiotiques toxiques pour les reins et le système nerveux; responsables d'allergies pouvant être mortelles. - MERCURE (conservateur) : Une substance des plus dangereuses, qui a une affinité pour le cerveau, le foie, l'intestin, la mœlle osseuse et les reins. D'infimes quantités peuvent causer des dommages graves au cerveau. Les multiples symptômes de l'intoxication au mercure sont connus y compris l’autisme. - NEOMYCINE : Antibiotique qui perturbe l'absorption de la vitamine B6. Réactions allergiques pouvant être mortelles. Toxique pour les reins et le système nerveux. - PHENOL / PHENOXYETHANOL : Utilisé comme antigel. Toxique capable de dérégler les réponses du système immunitaire. - BORATE DE SODIUM (Borax) : Mort aux rats ( !) contenu dans le très a la mode Gardasil.
CELLULES HUMAINES ET ANIMALES : tissus de foetus; albumine humaine, sang de porc, de cheval, de mouton; cervelle de lapin, de cobaye; reins de chien, coeur de boeuf, reins de singe, embryons de poulets, oeufs de poules et de canards, sérum de veau, etc.
Et puis il y a maintenant la cerise sur le gâteau avec la nanotechnologie « top secret » pouvant être utilisée pour programmer le cerveau…ou le déprogrammer. Surtout, soyez prudents ! N’en privez pas vos enfants !
Ref Michel Dogna avec d’autres informations d’importances sur un génocide vaccinal planifié. http://www.infomicheldogna.net/
Discussion subject changed to "THE ALLEGED SPANISH FLU OF 1918-1921 & ASIAN FLU OF 1958 PANDEMIES WERE IN FACT THE BLACK PLAGUE !" by Greatest Mining Pioneer of Australia of all Times
25 to 40 millions death in the world demonstrating that the Jenner / Pasteurian Criminals theories were & are complete fraud... and so the alleged preventive Vaccinations orchestrated by the WHO criminal organisation in Switzerland ...leading to immediate Guillain-Barré Syndrome in the quickest response of the organism ( an acute inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (AIDP), an autoimmune disorder affecting the peripheral nervous system. GBS is a side- effect of influenza vaccines ) ... and in slower responses Myopathies of Duchêne, Alzheimer, Parkinson, M.Sclerosis & of course paralytic death
Of course the French & British Government did everything to hide the frauds of the most outstanding Holocaust Criminals in all History of Mankind : The Jenner / Pasteur antibiotic clueless fools , the first credited with the worse Tuberculosis Pandemy thanks to his Vaccine Turberculinis strain found in infected cow pustules pus & the other fool with the Lung Cancer & other types of cancers thanks to his abominable vaccine poisons ! Hence although millions were buried in both countries by Tumbrels fulls at night in common graves, nothing transpired except in Spain, which has not vested interest in supporting a most fraudulent science of alleged Medecine ! Of course the clueless Pollies are just doing what told to them by the greedy vaccine producing labs living out of Humanity beliefs that the causes of dizeazezz are germz, viruzez & eugenezzz ! Of course the Black Plagues of 1918 & 1958 demonstrate the fallacies of such Jenner / Pasteur theories, and this is why the real symptoms of the alleged Spanish & Asian Flu were carefully hidden. André Malraux, Minister of the French Republic died of the Black Plague indeed, a few weeks after being vaccinated with an alleged harmless Flu shot.
At the time of writing, only POLAND OF ALL NATIONS HAS THE COURAGE TO REFUSE TO BE PARTY IN THE MASSACRE OF HIS OWN POPULATION BY THE SEASONAL FLU SHOT WHICH UNKNOWN TO ALL CONTAINS THE 3 STRAINS : AVIAN SWINE& BLACK PLAGUE FLU RECOVERED IN CORPSES OF 1918 ABOVE THE POLAR CIRCLE !
HONOUR TO POLAND AN TO THE GREAT POLISH PEOPLE !!!
Q : What are the symptoms of the Black Plague ? A : Overwhelming cyanosis
Q : What happens when the victims die in terrible suffering A: The body become immediately black due to the hemorrhagic blood present under the whole body derm
Q : What is the immediate cure in less than 10 minutes, unknown by the Dizeaze Industry (DI) and tis lecherous bed-side mannered Quacks supporting that criminal Pharmacist/Chemist business ! A : Just find it out ! Note As a clue, as easy as the discovery of the Great Sandy Desert immense deposits... surely the noted Australian Mining & Political Criminals, especially that parliamentary filth sitting on the West Australia Parliament on their fucking arses will find out that answer in no time at all .. Just ask them or their official mining heroes for immediate answer !
With kindest regards to all
Note as a bonus under my signature will appears all the goodies the Criminals ' run Labs are putting in their shot, just to be sure the expected results are obtained
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud Australia Mining Pioneer Discoverer & Legal Owner of Telfer Mine (Australia largest Copper & Gold Mine) Nifty (Cu) & Kintyre (U, Th) Mines, all in the Great Sandy Desert Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant Founder of the True Geology
~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One Never Forgiven ~
CONNAISSEZ-VOUS LA SOUPE DU DIABLE ACTUELLEMENT ASSOCIEE AUX VACCINS ?
Ce qui suit est tellement gros qu’on a du mal à y croire.
- ALUMINIUM (adjuvant) : Responsable de dommages cérébraux, suspecté d'être la cause de la maladie d'Alzheimer, de certaines démences, de comas et d'attaques. Responsable également d'allergies cutanées. Lourdement impliqué dans la myofasciite à macrophages. - SULFATE D'AMMONIUM : Suspecté d'attaquer le foie, le système nerveux, le système gastro-intestinal et respiratoire. - BÊTA- PROPIOLACTONE : Connu pour ses propriétés cancérigènes, suspecté d'attaquer le foie, le système respiratoire et gastro- intestinal ainsi que la peau et les organes des sens. - LEVURES GENETIQUEMENT MODIFIEES (OGM !!!), - ADN BACTERIEN OU VIRAL D'ANIMAUX : Substances qui peuvent se combiner à l'ADN des vaccinés et entraîner des mutations génétiques inconnues. - LATEX : qui peut produire des réactions allergiques mettant en péril le pronostic vital - GLUTAMATE DE SODIUM : neurotoxique connu pour ses effets mutagènes, tératogènes, entraînant des malformations et monstruosités et des effets sur la descendance. Responsable d’allergies. - FORMALDEHYDE (formol) : Carcinogène, impliqué dans les leucémies, les cancers du cerveau, du colon, des organes lymphatiques; suspecté d'occasionner des problèmes gastro-intestinaux; poison violent pour le foie, le système immunitaire, le système nerveux, les organes de reproduction. - POLYSORBATE 80 : Connu pour causer des cancers chez les animaux. - TRI(N)BUTYLPHOSPHATE : Suspecté d'être un poison pour les reins et les nerfs. - GLUTARALDEHYDE : Poison, s'il est ingéré; responsable de malformations néonatales chez les animaux d'expérimentation - GELATINE : Produite à partir de certaines parties de la peau des veaux ainsi que des os de bovins déminéralisés et de peau de porcs. Responsable d'allergies. - GENTAMYCINE ET POLYMYXINE B : Antibiotiques toxiques pour les reins et le système nerveux; responsables d'allergies pouvant être mortelles. - MERCURE (conservateur) : Une substance des plus dangereuses, qui a une affinité pour le cerveau, le foie, l'intestin, la mœlle osseuse et les reins. D'infimes quantités peuvent causer des dommages graves au cerveau. Les multiples symptômes de l'intoxication au mercure sont connus y compris l’autisme. - NEOMYCINE : Antibiotique qui perturbe l'absorption de la vitamine B6. Réactions allergiques pouvant être mortelles. Toxique pour les reins et le système nerveux. - PHENOL / PHENOXYETHANOL : Utilisé comme antigel. Toxique capable de dérégler les réponses du système immunitaire. - BORATE DE SODIUM (Borax) : Mort aux rats ( !) contenu dans le très a la mode Gardasil.
CELLULES HUMAINES ET ANIMALES : tissus de foetus; albumine humaine, sang de porc, de cheval, de mouton; cervelle de lapin, de cobaye; reins de chien, coeur de boeuf, reins de singe, embryons de poulets, oeufs de poules et de canards, sérum de veau, etc.
Et puis il y a maintenant la cerise sur le gâteau avec la nanotechnologie « top secret » pouvant être utilisée pour programmer le cerveau…ou le déprogrammer. Surtout, soyez prudents ! N’en privez pas vos enfants !
Ref Michel Dogna avec d’autres informations d’importances sur un génocide vaccinal planifié. http://www.infomicheldogna.net/
Greatest Mining Pioneer of Australia of all Times wrote: >
> Q : What is the immediate cure in less than 10 minutes, unknown by the > Dizeaze Industry (DI) and tis lecherous bed-side mannered Quacks > supporting that criminal Pharmacist/Chemist business ! > A : Just find it out !
Why is it that the nuts are never nice enough to share their secrets with us.
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