The point I was making was that you simply can't incite people to head
back down to Cronulla Beach again this Sunday and once again bash
someone of a certain race or appearance.

You can't organize violence. The wider community won't put up with it,
lest not an under pressure Govt and Police Force.

You are the typical hand-wringing, back-stabbing, do-ggoder "Il' tell
sir on you"  dobber.  You are the very example of what some in this
country have sadly been turned into.

You are not only a very foolish man- you are a traitor to the memories
of our forefathers.

Our people have been in Australia since the late 19th century and many
of us have contributed greatly to the building of the nation.  We have
leaders in government and business such as Marie Bashir - Governor of
NSW; Steve Bracks - Premier of Vic; John Symonds - Aussie Home Loans;
David Malouf - Writer, etc.  Many of us are astonished that the
Australian government allows the Muslims into the country.  They should
have never been allowed in.  These Muslims have disgraced the Lebanese
name in Australia and around the world.

THIS  THREAD  IS  BEING  READ  BY  PEOPLE  WHO  HAVE  HAD  WHITE
CHRISTIANS  RAPE  MURDER  AND  PILLAGE  WHOLE  COUNTRIES  FOR  HUNDREDS
 OF  YEARS

THEY  HAVE  LEARNED  THAT  IF  YOU  COMPLAIN  THEY  WILL KILL YOU

THE  WHITE  CHRISTIANS  MURDERED  NEARLY EVERY  ABORIGINAL IIN THE
COUNTRY   AND  STOLE  THE  WHOLE  COUNTRY  FROM  THE  LAWFULL OWNERS

THE  WHITE   CHRISTIANS   MOUNTED  THEIR  SKULLS IN  MUSEUMS  ,
AND  ONLY  RECENTLY  ALLOWED  THEM  TO  BE  BURIED

THE WHITE  CHRISTIANS  HAVE  RAPED  MURDERED AND  PILLAGED  OVER 75% OF
THE WORLD  FOR  CENTURIES

AND  THIS  IS  WHY  THEY  FEAR   ISLAM

THEY  ARE  HORRIFIED  BY  THE  THOUGHT THAT   THE  MUSLIMS  EVER  GET
THE  CHANC E   THEY  MIGHT  MAKE  THE  WHITE  CHRISTIANS  ANSWER   FOR
500 YEARS  OF  ENDLESS  ABUSE

FABRICATE  YOUR  LIES ,
 WE  KNOW  THE  TRUTH

AND  THREATEN  ME  ALL  YOU  LIKE

I KNOW  HOW  YOU  OPPERATE

I KNOW  YOU  ARE  BLOODTHIRSTY  MURDERERS

I  HAVE  EYES  AND  I CAN  READ
  YOU HAVE  SPEWED  YOUR  RACIST  FILTH  ALL OVER THE  GLOBE  FOR
CENTURIES

YOUR  CRIMES  ARE  WELL  DOCUMENTED  AND  I  KNOW  HOW  ILL IT  MUST
MAke YOU  FEEL  TO  SEE ISLAM  EXPANDING  SO  FAST

THE  CRIMES  OF  THE WHITE  CHRISTIANS  ARE   NO  LONGER  ABLE  TO  BE
HIDDEN,    ABU  GRAIB  < AROUND THE WORLD  IN  MINUTES

CHRISTIANS  ILLEGAL  INVASION  OF  IRAQ,   ENDLESS INVASIONS  OF  THE
MIDDLE  EAST  TO  STEAL OIL

I  MYSELF  WOULD  BE  WORRIED IF  I  WERE  YOU

AND  WE  KNOW  HOW  WHITE  CHRISTIANS  DEAL  WITH  THINGS

THEY  INVENT A  REASON  WHY  THEY  HAVE TO  KILL AND  STEAL

AND  DEMONIZE  THEIR  VICTIM TO  JUSTIFY  MURDERING THEM

JUST  LIKE  THEY  DID  TO   COUNTRY  AFTER  COUNTRY  FOR  HUNDREDS  OF
YEARS

I don't think the courts, corrupt and unjust at times I know, will in
this case discriminate on "ethnic appearance"

You guy's got it all wrong down at Cronulla the other day and you lost
the support of the wider Australian community which would have been
crucial for you to achieve a successful outcome...which is no bullshit
behavior at the beach.

In short, you stood up for something you believed in but eventually
went about it the wrong way.

As an anglo-celt Australian I feel less safe walking the streets today
than I did on Saturday, thanks mate...is this the outcome you really
wanted?

If you keep up your bloodlust, the only inevitable conclusion is that
people are going to get killed and the really sad part of that is,
which really pisses me off, is that it could well be someone who is
completely innocent.

As a community, Australia has welcomed many cuultures, and they only
dissaprove when the Australian way of life, into which these
immigrants have been invited, is threatened.

I don't think this has anything to do with religion as a whole. If it
did, intollerance would have reared its ugly head years ago. It is the
fear of fundamentalism (at present Islamic) and the seeming lack of a
suitable response from the Islamic community, or in fact acceptance
that fundamentalism is grown and nurtured within its community, that
has created hatred.

The Lebanese gang - rape and criminal mentality has just set it off.

The people you mentioned above are all great Australians.

It is a pity they may be tarnished because of a group of thugs and
rapists who obviously don't give a damn about anything but themselves.

This can be fixed very easily - the Lebanese leaders like Keyser Tran,
and the parents of the animal thugs who do this have to accept
responsibilty for their communities actions, and not hide behing the
easy and completely false front of rascism.

Do that, and the Lebanese community problem goes.

Of course, we still have to deal with the gangs, which just seem to be
a part of some Lebanese male life.

This has nothing to do with religion - it is about stopping gangs of
Lebanese thugs raping beating and killing Australians.

It is about making the Lebanese community accept there is a problem
within their male culture that makes many of them sexual deviates and
criminals.

What do they say - "fuck em, they deserve it, because they are Skips'.

Nice group of people we have let into the country - fuck us because we
are Australian.

You can hide behing religion and rascism as an excuse all you want.

But you are wrong.

As long as the Lebanese males running these gangs exist and threaten
Australias way of life, they will be hated.

And the solution to fix it rests within the Lebanese community.

Fix your gang rapist criminal male mentality that seems to be such a
big part of being a Lebanese man, take some responsibility as a
community for what these tools have done, stop it happening, and the
problem of hatred will dissapear.

The question is - does the Lebanese community have the guts, or in
fact do they even care enough as a group, to fix the problem.

Once again - fuck you!

So much vile hate and irrational fear! So much degenerative violence!

There is a quick way to fix that!
Get the f... racist garbage like you onto beach and also send Leb gangs
to the same place! And than we let the US Air Force target practice! We
would get rid of the gangs, the hooligans and the useless white
supremacists in one great sweep! It would also strengthen the
Australian US military alliance! Think about it! You demise could serve
this great country of ours immensely!

Mighty lord gona beat the crap out of less than 1% of this lot in
Australia.

But  it  still  amazes me  as I watch  rational  people  watch  hoWARds
 insane  racist  policy  drive a stake  through the  last  bits of  wot
 was a fine  country  just a few  years ago

Australians  who  insist  it is their  responsibility to  destroy any
hope  there is of  saving it    LIKE  we  have to  destroy it  or the
muslims might  take it over

RACISTS  think  they  can  bash  muslims  to  death cos  muslims are
scum  and  "WE"  are the good white christians so we have to  bash them
to death

WElL  WE  HEAR YOU LOUD AND  CLEAR AND  AS  WEV KNOW  THE  LAW  WILL
NEVER PROTECT  MUSLIMS IN THIS  COUNTRY  WE MUST  PROTECT  OUR
FAMILIES  ANY  WAY  WE  CAN

YOU  WHITE  CHRISTIANS  ALWAYS  WIN  ROUND  ONE

WE  NEED TO  PLAN  LONG TERM  STRATEGIES  TO  DEFEND  OUR FAMILIES
FROM YOU  BLOODTHIRSTY  SAVAGES

I come from Adelaide, not Sydney, and we went through the same thing a
few years ago with gangs over here and their 'Bash and Aussie a Day'
kick.

These guys are swine, not people.

The incident at Cronulla happened because a Lebanese gang bashed
Cronulla Beach life guards and tried to enforce their rule over the
beach.

The Aussies retaliated because of one thing - a loss of faith in
Australian law.

They felt they had no option but to take the matter into their own
hands, and unfortunately, that is never pretty (especially when youth
and booze are included).

I agree that it was ugly - but sometimes a little rebellion is needed
to make the authorities act.

And our authorities are lackluster - police force under staffed and  a
government too interested in being politically correct to be
effective.

This has been brewing for20  years, because the Lebganese have
developed a gang rape violence culture that was not stopped at
inception.

It has nothing to do with religion or race - it is purely about the
change in the Australian way of life because of the mentality of some
Lebanese men, who think it is correct and just to rape 'Skips' and
abuse the Australian people and their laws.

Australians have lost faith in theie own system to adequately deal
with the problem - and who can blame them.

This is a law and order problem only, and is being hidden by self
serving sycophants under the guise of religious and cultural rascim.

Just ask Keysar Tran.

|I wish you guys would stop saying "Lebanese men" because you are
| including people like me with those Muslim cockroaches.  Our people
are
| nothing like the Muslims.  We never were and we never will be.  The
| only reason we speak Arabic is because the Islamic armies subjugated
us
| 1,300 years ago and tried to erase our identity, which is what they
are
| still trying to do to us in Lebanon today.

What ridiculous ideas!

| > > You are making too many assumptions: that all these Lebanese
teens are
| > > Muslims. They could also be Christians, can they not?
| >
| > I said that Middle East immigrants (as reported in the paper) are
| > usually Lebanese Muslims in Australia. I believe this to be
correct. I
| > do not think you really believe these people are Lebanese
Christians,
| > do you?
|
| They could be Christians. Lebanese Christians have been migrating to
| Western countries for the past one hundred years, if not longer. And
| that is why most Lebanese in Western countries 'are' Christians.
| Lebanese Muslims, on the other hand, rarely migrate but they do find
| jobs in Gulf countries and usually return back to Lebanon.
|
| What I don't understand is your insistence on characterizing these
| Lebanese youngsters as "Muslims." Should we Muslims start identifying
| all Westerners by their religion?

Your answer is here, Ahmad (links and massive number of comments in
original). The results are now in and the overwhelming consensus is
that your vile cult is the real culprit. The writer poses the question
"Is Islam the problem", presumably so as not to be labelled an
"Islamophobe". We all know the answer to that.

http://blogs.smh.com.au/thecontrarian/archives/2005/12/is_islam_the_p...
Australia does not have a race relations problem. We have a clash of
cultures and that's a big difference -- and maybe the problem is
certain forms of Islam.

Of course, the marauding boneheads who rampaged through Cronulla on
Sunday don't make this distinction. If they did, perhaps they would
realise that when they screech "Lebs out" they are also referring to
the majority of Lebanese Australians who are Maronite Christians, in
communion with the Roman Catholic Church.

By their chants, they are also demanding the expulsion of NSW Governor
Marie Bashir and her husband, Sir Nicholas Shehadie, two of the finest
citizens this state has ever produced; and Victorian Premier Steve
Bracks, one of the most outwardly knockabout political leaders in
Australia. Lebanese all.

The problem is not the blood that runs through people's veins. Any form
of discrimination based on race or ethnicity -- based on the colour of
one's skin or hair or eyes -- is inherently immoral, illogical and
evil.

But culture and religion are behavioural. They involve values.

People can be born into a particular culture or religion but sooner or
later they reach an age of reason where they can embrace or reject
their precepts. And if people freely embrace a culture that is
antithetical to the prevailing social mores -- in our case, I would
hope, liberal, enlightenment values -- then we are entitled to judge,
object, censure and even discriminate.

Which brings us to this extremely prickly issue of radical Islam.

My colleague on this paper, Nadia Jamal, has mounted a strong and
sophisticated argument that the issue is not religion but culture,
specifically the patriarchal culture that prevails in many traditional
Muslim households. This is a good point but I think it diplomatically
sidesteps the fact that some strains of Islam do, indeed, sanction
attitudes and behaviour that are not simply patriarchal but repressive.

When groups of young Muslim men stalk the beaches of Sydney making
sexually threatening comments against women in bathing costumes, as
they indisputably do; and when they believe they act with the license
of a sheik who claims that such women are responsible for their own
sexual violation, is their religion, at least in part, to blame?

I do not embrace multiculturalism, as such, because I do not believe
all cultures are compatible with non-discriminatory liberalism. I
prefer a multi-ethnic, non-racial society, which has at its core a
canon of values that include racial and gender equality.

I admit to feeling a little uneasy at the sight of a Muslim woman
shrouded not simply in a headscarf but a face-concealing, head-to-toe
chador, and wonder just how much choice she has had in deciding her
lifestyle. I am not hugely sympathetic to a Muslim seeking asylum
because he claims to have been discriminated against because of his
support for sharia law.

I cannot celebrate such culture in the way that I celebrate Italian
National Day in Leichhardt or the Tet festival in Cabramatta or Greek
Orthodox Easter or a Seder at Passover or a service of Eritrean
Orthodox Church, such as the one I attended a couple of years ago in a
borrowed Church of England in London, or lunch with a couple of
Palestinian intellectuals.

Some multicultural theorists will squawk and say that I prefer only a
soft multiculturalism (if they insist on calling it that) that does not
offend western liberal values. They would be spot on. My acceptance
ends when the assault on the liberality of society itself begins.

None of this erases the points I made yesterday, condemning the
lynch-mob mentality of the Cronulla crowds, boozed up, in their
thousands, chasing down lone Lebanese teenagers.

But I accept the need to distinguish between cultural and ethnicity and
ask some tough questions.

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Most of the time I can't stand the corrupt bastards which they are.

They had my support over the last couple of day's though, some of them
were amazing.

I am also confident that the lifeguard bashers would have been caught
and convicted, regardless of any action taken by the Cronulla mob.