> "Morton Lucifer" <"95 Theses"@atheist-reformation.org> wrote in message > news:0ZuJm.53178$ze1.34782@news-server.bigpond.net.au... >> Seon Ferguson wrote: >>> As a believer I would like to express my dismay at knowing that fools >>> like the troll who posted this are on my side.
>> But YOU posted it.. naturally you are on your side, troll! B^)
>> and naturally you are dismayed by that fact! B^D
> I reply to people the normal way.
You weren't replying to any text at all you poor deluded twonk!!! B^D
You referred to your own text ..'the troll who posted this' which was you!!! B^D
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95 Theses for Atheist Reformation
All belief systems ossify over time.
Jesus taught that Love came before politics and wealth, but his church pursued the latter.
Mohammed brought revolutionary rights for women, but his followers wound them back in favour of traditional male privilege.
And atheism, once a tiny and ineffectual offshoot of Greek philosophy has devolved into a series of dreadful totalitarian tyrannies.
What is required is Reformation. In religion this is achieved by progressive revelation.. the Divine CYCLE of revival and rebirth; Springtime, Summer, Autumn, Winter
In atheism guidance must come from a lesser source;
The Atheist Reformation Movement - ARM
Gentleman, TO ARMs!
Cry Havoc and Let Slip the Blogs of Reform!
fasgnadh wrote:
# By the time we get to the Enlightenment people understood that # a God who stops you from hitting the ground when you fall over, # is a puppet master controlling automatons, not the creator # of autonomous beings with free will and responsibility. # # Still the atheists cling to their simplistic caricatures. # # They even blame the god they claim not to believe in, for NOT # STOPPING the mass murders of the atheist holocausts!!! 8^o # # http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:10645?context=latest # # As alt.atheism shows they share the fundamentalists LITERAL reading # of the Bible, believing that their ignorant misunderstandings of # metaphor shows faults in the text. # # # The fundamentalists are like Philistines staring at the Venus de Milo, # and complaining that it is not anatomically correct: # # "Where's the ARMS" they wail, to the amusement of Art Historians # and art lovers alike!
Well, I am here to RESTORE the ARMs, and with it, decency and respectability to atheism..
# In the 19th century, Nietzsche Freud and Marx, all singularly # unimpressive individuals, (respectively disturbed, neurotic, # and misogynist) advanced theories rejecting God. And laid # the groundwork for the totalitarian horrors of the 20th Century. # # The worst barbarity occurred in the 'Modern'(sic) Era, when God # had been proclaimed Dead in the hearts of man, Religion declared # the Opium of the people, and the sexuality of the neurotic Viennese # Bourgeois became the central obsession of mankind. # # Gas chambers and Gulags, millions systematically tortured terrorised # and murdered, churches burned, then entire cities, priests killed then # entire communities.. the Atheist shitholes were the worst and most # miserable, and their peoples could not wait for them to be assigned # to the dustbin of FAILED experiments. # # And yet modern atheists, like modern Nazis, refuse to acknowledge # the holocausts carried out by THEIR ideology, in every case where it # came to power! 8^o # # # Atheism needs REFORM. # # It has become a haven of Blind Faith and Dogma # # Morton Lucifer needs to nail his 95 Theses to the door # of Dawkin's house.. or perhaps to his forehead...! B^D # # and launch the ATHEIST REFORMATION!!! B^D
I have heard the call of long suffering atheists tired of the corruption and violence perpetrated in their name, who remember when atheism was a simple personal belief, not a violent and repressive political ideology that has terrorised, tortured and carried out Mass Murder and Crimes against humanity in half the world!
I call on all the decent, well meaning atheists to join ARM, the Atheist Reformation Movement, and purge it of the rabid and dogmatic fanatics which have seized the movement and made it anathema to all rational minds and decent folk.
Atheism, if it is to survive, must cease it's historical association with Mass Murder, torture, terror, repression, anti-theist persecution and pogrom, mass murder and other Crimes against Humanity.
It must take stock, become more humble, in accordance with it's insignificance, morally, intellectually, socially, numerically, culturally, in Science and politically.. it is after all simply a belief, unprovable, with no relevance to, or importance to normal life. The Theists have already created rational secular societies protecting the freedoms of all. Atheists must stop being mere whiners, and barking mongrel dogs.
Perhaps a vow of silence and retreat to a monastery is in their best interests, as befits a tiny, impotent and irrelevant sub-branch of Nihilism.
> Atheism is now, in the hands of Dawkins and Hitchins, a populist > dogma. It still tries to wear the mantle of science, aided in this > by the (mostly American) Creationist morons, who cannot understand > that creation does not unfold according to THEIR understanding, > > > The Big Bang, the fundamental scientific theory of the origin of the > Universe, was developed by Monsignor Georges Lemaître, a Catholic > Prelate, professor of physics and astronomer at the Catholic > University of Leuven! > > Religion is clearly NO IMPEDIMENT to rational science! > > That title belongs to the Atheist tyrannies, the Union of Savage > Slaughter and Repression, Mao's Great Leap Backward and Cultural > Devolution, and Pol Pots Year Zero genocide. > > Not only science, but art, music, culture and all of > human society entered a Dark Age during the Atheist tyrannies! > > > Atheism, given the chance, did NOT usher in a new, rational Utopia, > but immersed millions in misery and despair. > > The problem for atheists is, there is not much there to RE FORM! B^D
I will do what I can with what there is.
Even animal dung can be used to daub the walls of peasant huts! B^)
fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > Mitchell Holman shows atheists are bipolar - one tyranny or another: > > fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in > > news:poeJm.52948$ze1.43103@news-server.bigpond.net.au: > >> North Korea is the most atheist Nation: "autonomous religious > >> activities now almost nonexistent; government-sponsored religious > >> groups exist to provide illusion of religious freedom."
> >> Like EVERY atheist state, it's a totalitarian shithole!
> > If only it had an Official religion, like say Iran or > > Afghanistan or Haiti.
> No, it surprises me that atheists attempt to argue that their tyranny > is ok because other tyrannies exist!
Fasgnadh, as usual, misses the point. No one is arguing that tyranny is OK, but Fasgnadh is trying to argue that tyranny is purely atheist, which is false.
> It is irrational and absurd and atheist hypocrites reveal by their > action they not only understand that a superior, majority religious > option exists .. but that THEY ALL CHOOSE To LIVE IN IT!
On the contrary, that majority religious option is irrelevant.
What atheists, and all theists other than those in the majority religion of a nation, want of their nation is a STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT. Given a STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT, the incidence of religiousity in that nation is irrelevant.
Don't cry, fasgnadh, just because your false claim has been shot down again.
The most progressive, open, democratic, rights based nations on the planet have STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS, like Australia, the USA, European nations, Canada, etc, etc...
> These nations, products of great and enduring civilisations have > SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNEMNTS to ENSURE their religious and > political freedoms!
And, therefore, are acceptable to those of any faith or none.
> It astonsihes me that the atheists constantly argue that the only > alternative to atheist tyranny is theocracy.
Since none of them do, but prefer STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS, Fasgnadh may cease pretending to be astonished.
> The rational alternatives, which atheists vannot bring themselves to > acknowledge, because it involves them admitting the UTTER FAILURE of > atheism.. are the STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS under which > even atheists CHOOSE TO LIVE.
> Atheism is defunct..
Then why is non-theism growing in all those STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS?
Discussion subject changed to "Bottom line: Everyone, except possibly members of a clearly majority religion in a nation, prefer their nation to have a STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT." by Virgil
Subject: Bottom line: Everyone, except possibly members of a clearly majority religion in a nation, prefer their nation to have a STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT.
> >>>>> Where religion lies in ruins [Czech Republic's most atheist region]
> >>>> The Czech Republic is not the most Atheist Nation, it is majority > >>>> religious:
> >>>> Czech Republic: Aheist 39.8%, Roman Catholic 39.2%, Protestant 4.6%, > >>>> Orthodox 3%, other 13.4%
> >>>> North Korea is the most atheist Nation: "autonomous religious > >>>> activities now almost nonexistent; government-sponsored > >>>> religious groups exist to provide illusion of religious freedom."
> >>>> Like EVERY atheist state, it's a totalitarian shithole!
> >>> If only it had an Official religion, like say Iran or Afghanistan or > >>> Haiti.
> >> No, it surprises me that atheists attempt to argue that their tyranny > >> is ok because other tyrannies exist! 8^o
> > The way Theists argue that tryanny is OK as > > long as it is done "according to God's will"
> There are only two things wrong with your 'argument' > one- I'm not making that argument > two - I'm an agnostic..
> oh.. that's your ENTIRE argument up in smoke! B^D
> and nothing in mine that you could refute.. so you snipped it and RAN! B^D
> <unsnip>
> >> It is irrational and absurd and atheist hypocrites reveal by their > >> action they not only understand that a superior, majority religious > >> option exists .. but that THEY ALL CHOOSE To LIVE IN IT!
On the contrary, there are several majority religious nations, e.g., Iran, that atheists try to avoid precisely because they do not have STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS, but atheists like living under STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS, regardless of the distribution of religious beliefs within them.
Bottom line: Everyone, except possibly members of a clearly majority religion in a nation, prefer their nation to have a STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT.
Discussion subject changed to "EVERYONE, except possibly members of a clearly majority religion in a nation, prefers his or her nation to have a STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT." by Virgil
Subject: EVERYONE, except possibly members of a clearly majority religion in a nation, prefers his or her nation to have a STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT.
> Yes.. atheist hypocrites CHOOSE to live in alternatives they, and you > try to pretend doesn't exist.. the advanced democratic, free, > MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societyies, like Australia, the USA, European > nations, Indonesia, India.
BOTTOM LINE:EVERYONE, except possibly members of a clearly majority religion in a nation, prefers his or her nation to have a STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT.
Once having that, the nations distribution of religiousity is quite IRRELEVANT.
> You poor morons try to pretend they don't exist
If they do not have a STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT, they are to be avoided, regardless of the distribution of religions within them.
You certainly try to ignore that EVERYONE, except possibly members of a clearly majority religion in a nation, prefers his or her nation to have a STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT.
Discussion subject changed to "The most progressive and advanced nations are those with STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS, regardless of their religiousity." by Virgil
> Why are atheists so opposed to Reason and truth?
Why are anti-atheists like fasgnadh so opposed to the truth that EVERYONE, except possibly members of a clearly majority religion in a nation, prefers his or her nation to have a STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT.
Once having that, the nations distribution of religiousity is quite IRRELEVANT.
> The most progressive and advanced nations are those with
STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS, regardless of their religiousity.
Discussion subject changed to "EVERYONE, except possibly members of a clearly majority religion in a nation, prefers his or her nation to have a STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT." by Virgil
Subject: EVERYONE, except possibly members of a clearly majority religion in a nation, prefers his or her nation to have a STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT.
> >> Pope Benedict XVI will not visit the Czech Republic's most atheist > >> region
> > Apparently atheists can't be swayed by an aging Nazi in a flowing dress.
> No, they are suckers for daft uniforms that make them feel they > belong to the Borg
Fasgnadh's fantasy land again.
BOTTOM LINE:EVERYONE, except possibly members of a clearly majority religion in a nation, prefers his or her nation to have a STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT.
Once having that, the nations distribution of religiousity is quite IRRELEVANT.
-- As a criterion for livability, being a MAJORITY RELIGIOUS SOCIETY is irrelevant to atheists and agnostics, and even to theists unless their own religion is dominant. What is highly relevant is having a SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT which protects everyone from unwanted religious pressures.
Subject: EVERYONE, except possibly members of a clearly majority religion in a nation, prefers his or her nation to have a STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT.
> >>> Where religion lies in ruins [Czech Republic's most atheist region]
> >> The Czech Republic is not the most Atheist Nation, it is majority > >> religious:
> >> Czech Republic: Aheist 39.8%, Roman Catholic 39.2%, Protestant 4.6%, > >> Orthodox 3%, other 13.4%
> >> North Korea is the most atheist Nation: "autonomous religious > >> activities now almost nonexistent; government-sponsored > >> religious groups exist to provide illusion of religious freedom."
> > Then Fasgnadh is acknowledging that North Korea is has a state religion, > > which makes it a religious state.
> Only two groups of mindless morons believe that the "Democratic People's > Republic of Korea (DPRK)" is DEMOCRATIC
And fasgnadh is a member of both.
> North Koreans who have no choice, and > the Western atheist apologists for the North Korean atheist regime.
> > What that nation does not have is the right of its citizens > > to be free
> Precisely.. it is an atheist tyranny and a joke and > Virgil is it's willing apologist and Spokes Orc.
When have I ever "apologized" for the evils of any dictatorship or tyranny?
Fasgnadh has often been the apologist for theist tyrannies, seeming to prefer theism to liberty.
For atheists, as for almost everyone, the BOTTOM LINE says :EVERYONE, except possibly members of a clearly majority religion in a nation, prefers his or her nation to have a STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT.
Once having that, the nations distribution of religiousity is IRRELEVANT.
fasgnadh, ye craven unmarmerly intruder, has thou not a brain?, ye dissented:
> Olrik wrote: >> You can even use the label "agnostic atheist" if you want.
> I think i'll just stick with calling you a brain dead atheist > fucktard, > it has more realism and is perfectly apt.
It's also a triple tautology.
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Discussion subject changed to "Why can't ignorant atheists learn to READ! (Thinking is clearlybeyond them ;-) Re: Where Atheism Lies In Ruins - The Most Atheist RegionOf The Most Atheist Nations were the greatest 20th Century TYRANNIES" by bob young
Subject: Re: Why can't ignorant atheists learn to READ! (Thinking is clearlybeyond them ;-) Re: Where Atheism Lies In Ruins - The Most Atheist RegionOf The Most Atheist Nations were the greatest 20th Century TYRANNIES