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fasgnadh  
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 More options Nov 9, 7:58 am
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From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au>
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:58:20 GMT
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 7:58 am
Subject: Re: Imagine No Atheism - 70,000,000 would still be alive

Shrikeback wrote:
> On Nov 6, 6:36 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com>
> wrote:
>> http://questiondarwin.blogspot.com/2007/09/imagine-no-atheism.html

>> Imagine no atheism

> Ja!  Ja!  First ve line zem up, zen ve shoot zem!

You sound like an atheist..  every atheist regime did just that!

over 70,000,000 victims of atheist tyranny;

# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
#     - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
#       Characteristics and Consequences,
#        David Kowalewski,
#        Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia’s Buddhist religion:
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."
#      -   http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
#
# The Cambodian Genocide:
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millo...

#
# "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
# regarded by the regime as social parasites,
# were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
# Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
# destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
# Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
# rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
# or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
# were often killed.
#
# The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
# persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
# Phnom Penh was completely razed.
#
# The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
# regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
# Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
#        -  http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
#
# "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
# because of their religion."
#
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboy...
#
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
#     - Daniel Peris,
#     "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
#      Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
#     - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
#       Wolak, Arthur J.    p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.

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alt.atheism FAQ:

http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl...

  "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
      -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

   http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

   http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest

  "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
      - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

   http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

   http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest

  "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
      - Lenin

   http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

   http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-fa...


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 More options Nov 9, 9:52 am
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From: Virgil <Vir...@home.esc>
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:52:40 -0600
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 9:52 am
Subject: Re: Imagine No Atheism - Fasgnadh could still enjoy Inquisitions and Autos da Fe.
In article <MhGJm.53299$ze1.8...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,

 fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Shrikeback wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 6:36 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> http://questiondarwin.blogspot.com/2007/09/imagine-no-atheism.html

> >> Imagine no atheism

> > Ja!  Ja!  First ve line zem up, zen ve shoot zem!

> You sound like an atheist..  every atheist regime did just that!

That regime was the Nazi one which was, at least nominally,  Christian.

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 More options Nov 9, 9:45 pm
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From: Richo <m.richardso...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 02:45:56 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: Imagine No Atheism - 70,000,000 would still be alive
On Nov 9, 7:58 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> Shrikeback wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 6:36 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>http://questiondarwin.blogspot.com/2007/09/imagine-no-atheism.html

> >> Imagine no atheism

> > Ja!  Ja!  First ve line zem up, zen ve shoot zem!

> You sound like an atheist..  every atheist regime did just that!

How else do you achieve "no atheism"?
If you allow people the freedom to choose what to believe - to follow
their own conscience and reasoning - how will you stop people from
believing that "God" is a lot of superstitious twaddle?

Suggest a few methods. Use your imagination.

Mark.


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 More options Nov 9, 10:13 pm
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From: Petzl <pet...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:13:21 +1100
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 10:13 pm
Subject: Re: Imagine No Atheism - 70,000,000 would still be alive
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 02:45:56 -0800 (PST), Richo

<m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> You sound like an atheist..  every atheist regime did just that!

>How else do you achieve "no atheism"?
>If you allow people the freedom to choose what to believe - to follow
>their own conscience and reasoning - how will you stop people from
>believing that "God" is a lot of superstitious twaddle?

>Suggest a few methods. Use your imagination.

>Mark.

http://tinyurl.com/atheist-mp3
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From: Richo <m.richardso...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 03:56:19 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 10:56 pm
Subject: Re: Imagine No Atheism - 70,000,000 would still be alive
On Nov 9, 10:13 pm, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 02:45:56 -0800 (PST), Richo

> <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> You sound like an atheist..  every atheist regime did just that!

> >How else do you achieve "no atheism"?
> >If you allow people the freedom to choose what to believe - to follow
> >their own conscience and reasoning - how will you stop people from
> >believing that "God" is a lot of superstitious twaddle?

> >Suggest a few methods. Use your imagination.

> >Mark.

> http://tinyurl.com/atheist-mp3

So ya got nothing?

Mark.


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From: Petzl <pet...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:19:13 +1100
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 11:19 pm
Subject: Re: Imagine No Atheism - 70,000,000 would still be alive
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 03:56:19 -0800 (PST), Richo

<m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://tinyurl.com/atheist-mp3

>So ya got nothing?

>Mark.

There is no purpose if you listen to the mp3

Petzl
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From: cornholio <andxor...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 07:51:52 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 10 2009 2:51 am
Subject: Re: Imagine No Atheism - Fasgnadh could still enjoy Inquisitions and Autos da Fe.
On Nov 8, 2:52 pm, Virgil <Vir...@home.esc> wrote:

> In article <MhGJm.53299$ze1.8...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,

>  fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > Shrikeback wrote:
> > > On Nov 6, 6:36 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >>http://questiondarwin.blogspot.com/2007/09/imagine-no-atheism.html

> > >> Imagine no atheism

> > > Ja!  Ja!  First ve line zem up, zen ve shoot zem!

> > You sound like an atheist..  every atheist regime did just that!

> That regime was the Nazi one which was, at least nominally,  Christian.

Nice try linking Christianity with nazism asshole:

http://www.adherents.com/people/ph/Adolf_Hitler.html

Over a million Christians died fighting the nazis....incl. my
Great Uncle. GFY.


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From: Richo <m.richardso...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:21:20 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 10 2009 10:21 am
Subject: Re: Imagine No Atheism - 70,000,000 would still be alive
On Nov 9, 11:19 pm, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 03:56:19 -0800 (PST), Richo

> <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>http://tinyurl.com/atheist-mp3

> >So ya got nothing?

> >Mark.

> There is no purpose if you listen to the mp3

I listened. It didnt change my mind.

I wasnt made for a purpose - but that doesnt mean I cant give my own
life meaning.

In fact the idea that I was "made for a purpose" - like a hammer or a
spade - doent actually seem very apealing. A living being with free
will is much better than a "thing" with a "purpose".
A living being with a mind and a will of its own is a much better
thing to be than a tool with a purpose.

Mark.


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From: Virgil <Vir...@home.esc>
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:30:27 -0700
Local: Tues, Nov 10 2009 11:30 am
Subject: Re: Imagine No Atheism - 70,000,000 would still be alive
A fair portion of those alleged 70 million that idiots claim would still
be alive today would be at least as old as Lenin would be, if he were
alive today.

Lenin was born 22 April 1870, so would be over 139 years old today.

And if there had been no opposition to those Marxist governments, none
of these 70 million need have died.

It was the conflict that killed them. And theists are as guilty of that
conflict as any atheists ere.


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From: Day <dayhbr...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:10:03 -0600
Local: Wed, Nov 11 2009 11:10 am
Subject: Re: Imagine No Atheism - Fasgnadh could still enjoy Inquisitions and Autos da Fe.
Virgil wrote:
>>> Ja!  Ja!  First ve line zem up, zen ve shoot zem!
>> You sound like an atheist..  every atheist regime did just that!

> That regime was the Nazi one which was, at least nominally,  Christian.

Castro has jailed some, but I dont see the reports that he had them
dragged out to be shot. And as for the Nazis, there was a kind of
neopagan movement to return to the original Aryan religion. too bad they
gave up on it, for the true Aryans would not have cared about the "Jews"
or anything else Jewish scriptures like the Bible go on about.

Neitzsche understood this. Its a testament to the lack of scholarship on
the part of Liberals that the Nazis could claim Nietzsche as a patron
saint, and yet they never mentioned how he said anti-Semites were
buffoons, who go 'around with pointy hoods covering their straw heads',
stirring up all the asinine elements of the nation.

Note as well that Atheism only rants against Levantine religions, and
never take on Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism. This looks like a
strawman to only choose to debate the most asinine religions as if that
is all there are.


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