-- By the test of serious intellectual persuasiveness, Marx was hardly a a 'great thinker", though he often appears as such in low-level academic curricula. ---Robert Conquest "Reflections on a Ravaged Century".
Y'know, I've been thinking about that terrible tragedy. Why were those British soldiers there? It's the same problem I encountered when some Afghan trainees killed some American soldiers while on patrol. I asked the same question then. Why were those American soldiers there?
The media keep telling us that the US military are fighting a group called the Taliban. The Taliban are Muslim clerics who assumed authority over Afghanistan after the Russian occupiers were chased out. The Taliban disarmed the Afghan warlords, stopped the Afghan farmers from growing opium poppies, and brough a measure of peace to the Afghan countryside after years of almost continuous fighting. Why are US troop fighting the Taliban?
A recent PBS documentary revealed that US soldiers are guarding the opium poppy farms against the Taliban. Since the US has been there, opium production has multiplied many times, and now Afghanistan is the world's leader in opium production. Why are US forces serving as guards for the opium trade?
But I know none of this can be true. The way I figure it, the American citizens would rise up and lynch the people who sent their young men to serve as muscle for international opium dealers. US citizens would never stand for young US soldiers fighting against local religious leaders in a foreign country that can't even threaten the security of the United States.
The Taliban have no army, no navy, no airplanes, no artillery, nothing to wage war against the United States. It would be plain murder for US soldiers to use modern weaponry, including helicopter gunships, jet fighters, artillery, and even remote controlled missile launchers against a few poorly armed tribes scattered throughout some hills in a godforsaken place thousands of miles away from the United States. The American people are much too civilized to allow something like that. Aren't they?
Presentation Thanks to archaeological discoveries, to the translations from sumerian, egyptian and aramaic, each and everyone can at last discover the origin of the "sacred texts". Far from being the word of " God", the revealed religions recycled archaic old myths. One will see why they have provoked so many slaughters, by drawing their followers in the trap of ignorance and vanity. This work, very different from the official legends, takes us into one of the most fabulous human creations, the invention of myths and prophets. The author invites you to a fascinating inquiry into the heart of monotheist religions. You will discover that, as other biblical prophets, Mohammed seems to be one of the most famous historical hoaxes. You will also learn why, in which period and in which language the Coran was written and with which aim. Indispensable for human beings in quest of spiritual authenticity, and also for every person wishing to understand current events and defend the freedom of expression.
Bernard Raquin, psychotherapist and teacher in many seminars, has published a number of books on spirituality and personal development. Following the murder of his sister by her son and husband claiming to be from "Islam", he decided to unveil the falsification and to shed light on the spiritual path and historical truth.
"The ones who take in broad daylight any new proposition are first called heretics." (Montesquieu)
Contents
Chapter 1 : Farewell to a beloved woman
Chapter 2 : How to fabricate a religion
Chapter 3 : Jesus revisited by Islam
Chapter 4 : How heretics invented Islam Retrospective theology Allah's origin The descent into hells : an ancestral myth The coranic paradise Allah's fall Califs are warriors and not rabbis
Chapter 5 : Conquering Jerusalem! Let us rebuild the Temple! Mohammedans turn to Jerusalem
Chapter 6 : Divine or human violence? Sacrifice Slavery Theology or superstition? The hatred for women
Chapter 7 : Who wrote the Coran? Chronology The religious contexts in the seventh century The different redactors of Coran The fiction of illiteracy How two fabricate surats Why Arabic language did not exist at that time How the Coran was drafted ? Is Coran anything else than a compilation ? The superstitions of Coran Inimitability of Coran ? A few excerpts of the true Coran
Chapter 8 : Mohammed's legend Gabriel's theology or laborious elaboration? The cave The legend of the Seven asleep Mohammed's celestial journey The legend of Mecca The legend of Medina The Battle of the Ditch The charter of Medina The aggravation of fiction All religions are polytheist No trace of Mohammed whatsoever... How the name of Mohammed was invented Abu Bakr decrees Mohammed's death
Chapter 9 : the Great Godess of the Kaaba The pilgrimage
Chapter 10: For the cessation of holocausts About forgiving Nostalgia Let us make a dream Fatwa
Annex 1 : Those books which were used to write the Coran Annex 2 : The redactors of the Coran Annex 3 : How was fabricated the Coran?
Short bibliography
Does monotheism lead preferentially to crime? The question was often asked by specialists of religions. The nine first Califs of Islam perished assassinated. Preventing to think never served human dignity, neither the cause of God. Scholars wondered if certain religions are not constitutively violent. But more than monotheism, it is the prophetic neurosis which is so often devil's mouthpiece...p. 23
Unfortunately for the beliefs of Christians, the historian Philo of Alexandria, who was Jesus' contemporary and wrote several volumes, do not quote him, and if the Messiah is famous until Syria, should we believe Matthew, and until Egypt or Babylon since the Mages have come from there, while is he not quoted anywhere in the chronicles? For the past 2000 years, billions of Christian have wondered : why are we still obliged to commit evil and suffer it, and indeed live, as if Christ had never come?...
[The author put a few paragraphs a little more on the right to indicate more personal and psychological reflections] At the beginning was the lie : lies of prophets who forced visions and voices to serve a political cause. I do not doubt visions, an eternal and dream perception of the world. But a vision giving even instructions about food, laws, hygiene and war is an illusion, because nothing is more fluctuating than the customs and beliefs. Visions are images drawn from the collective unconscious, teachings of wisdom, they are allegorical and not ready-made answers to circumstantial problems. The three "biblical" religions have in common the destruction of sources, the disregard for others and their pretension to detain the revealed truth. Revealed by whom ? Not by a hoary sage full of wisdom, polished by decades of asceticism and ennobling acts, but by vociferous prophets. If God exists, it may be doubted that He chose personality as controversial as Moses, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, David or Mohammed, such as described by the tradition. The prophetic points to his victim, the sage shows the path.
In what monotheism has served the cause of the unique God, who may well have done without this wicked homage? Even the Gospels contain rages. Some claim that the apostles represented a movement of rebellion... Simon the Zealot, who became later Peter, was, as his name indicates, an activist. His brother Judah (not Judah the traitor) was called Iscariot, i.e. holder of the dagger with a bent edge... Then this group was destroyed and consequently divinized, according to a mechanism which was well analyzed by René Girard. The exceptional person becomes a devil, a hero or a saint. In which way polytheist were pagans ? Pagans, the Sumerians , inventors of writing, of laws, of the wheel, of most of the myths which forged our civilization? They who have created schools and the very first parliament? Pagans, the Babylonians, inventors of astronomy, of medicine, of treatises on plants and of the fabrication of therapeutical drugs? Ignorant, the Egyptians, where men and women were equals? It is sufficient to go in any museum to become immediately struck by wonder, and modest. Idolatrous, the Zoroastrians, without image of God, inciting to go beyond oneself through "good thoughts, good words and good actions"? Pagans, Krishna's devotees, seeking forgiveness and goodness in the cult of fecundity, intoxicated with the gratitude for the boons from heaven? Infidels, the worshippers of Vishnu, good ascetics who where detached from the appearances of the world, who wanted to realize the Atman, and merge into the deep consciousness of the Whole ? Pagans, the Amerindians and their prestigious civilization? The Aztec ?! Idolatrous, the Celts and their refined conception of the divine, who have dominated the world during several millennia and which have elaborated myths taken again by Christianity? Ignorant, the Buddhist, whose spirit glides above the feelings of villainy? Idolatrous, the Jains, who do not kill animal and forbid to themselves any violence ? How much base feelings this despise, this self-conceit expresses. My Goodness! Free us from these desert prophets, hellish creatures, presumptuous, wicked, ignorant, who come out from the dark age heading hosts of warriors of apocalypse, with foam at the mouth, with erected sticks, the very servants of Satan! "The prophets, these goats with a long beard, cannot pretend to any intellectual or spiritual superiority... Their duplicity is obvious by their very contradicting each other... As for the Coran, it is only a bundle of nonsensical fables... The treatises of the Ancients such as Plato, Aristotle, Euclides or Hippocrat have rendered greater services to humanity." (Ibn Warraq quoting Abdel Razin Why I am not a Muslim, p. 324)
The soul who is seeking ecstasies against the others, end in the cul- de-sac of mad anger. And the mystic who is petrified by awe will more surely meet the "lower astral plane", the universe of those deities which are evoked in the Tibetan Book of the Dead rather than bliss and wonder. The savior god was hardly a new thing when Jesus (whose name means I save) appeared : Apollo, Adonis, Osiris, Serapis, Tanmuz in Sumer and Syria, Odin in ancient Germany, Dionysos-Bacchus, Orpheus, Mithra and Horus were around....(p.55-56) When monotheism has inevitably lead to wars against the inevitable heresies, young saplings sprout, a fresh wind from the human spirit, who rediscovers the psychic functions of the old gods. And for that, no need of books or ancient idols: the functioning of the brain is sufficient. Any person is able to rediscover them by listening to his unconscious. Monotheism, opposed to the functioning of the brain, does not exist in any religion. Our brain needs, to transform the thoughts in words, to elaborate representations. This explain, to my eye, why pure monotheism, which was meant only for rare sages, produces so many pathologies among ordinary believers, by pushing them towards schizophrenia.56
Among the other influences on Jesus, the room is lacking to evoke Apollonius of Tyan, and overall Mithra whose cult has been entirely copied by the Christians. [Raquin quotes many details and proofs of this well-known fact] 56
This Manichaeism appears again in the concept of dar-ul-islam and dar-ul-harb. The land which have been conquered by Islam are "land (House) of submission". The other countries are "lands of the war". Intoxicated herds, which have been rendered mad by heinous preachers, are allowed to plunder, kill, destroy the countries of the "infidels" - who in fact they are themselves. Just as Mohammed was put above God by making him speak, one puts Muslims beyond the
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Discussion subject changed to ""Friendly Afghan Police Officer Murders 5 British Soldiers. So Much For "Winning The Hearts And Minds Of Muslims"" by Crap Detector
> Y'know, I've been thinking about that terrible tragedy. Why were those > British soldiers there? It's the same problem I encountered when some > Afghan trainees killed some American soldiers while on patrol. I > asked the same question then. Why were those American soldiers there?
*** Yes, it's the same thing as 9/11. Why were all those civilians (men, women, children) in the the Twin Towers? They had no fucking right to be there. Thery were all just greedy capitalists making money, exploiting the world's poor. As Obama's pastor and mentor for 19 years, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright put it recently, "American the land of the greedy and the home of slaves".
> The media keep telling us that the US military are fighting a group > called the Taliban. The Taliban are Muslim clerics who assumed > authority over Afghanistan after the Russian occupiers were chased > out. The Taliban disarmed the Afghan warlords, stopped the Afghan > farmers from growing opium poppies, and brough a measure of peace to > the Afghan countryside after years of almost continuous fighting. Why > are US troop fighting the Taliban?
> A recent PBS documentary revealed that US soldiers are guarding the > opium poppy farms against the Taliban. Since the US has been there, > opium production has multiplied many times, and now Afghanistan is the > world's leader in opium production. Why are US forces serving as > guards for the opium trade?
> But I know none of this can be true. The way I figure it, the > American citizens would rise up and lynch the people who sent their > young men to serve as muscle for international opium dealers. US > citizens would never stand for young US soldiers fighting against > local religious leaders in a foreign country that can't even threaten > the security of the United States.
> The Taliban have no army, no navy, no airplanes, no artillery, nothing > to wage war against the United States. It would be plain murder for > US soldiers to use modern weaponry, including helicopter gunships, jet > fighters, artillery, and even remote controlled missile launchers > against a few poorly armed tribes scattered throughout some hills in a > godforsaken place thousands of miles away from the United States. The > American people are much too civilized to allow something like that. > Aren't they?
snakehawk <snakeh...@MailAndNews.com> wrote: > On Nov 4, 4:04 pm, "Crap Detector" <detec...@utopia.com> wrote: > > This is the policy that the pinhead Obama wants the U.S. military to adopt > > in Afghanistan.
> Y'know, I've been thinking about that terrible tragedy. Why were those > British soldiers there? It's the same problem I encountered when some > Afghan trainees killed some American soldiers while on patrol. I > asked the same question then. Why were those American soldiers there?
> The media keep telling us that the US military are fighting a group > called the Taliban. The Taliban are Muslim clerics who assumed > authority over Afghanistan after the Russian occupiers were chased > out. The Taliban disarmed the Afghan warlords, stopped the Afghan > farmers from growing opium poppies, and brough a measure of peace to > the Afghan countryside after years of almost continuous fighting. Why > are US troop fighting the Taliban?
> A recent PBS documentary revealed that US soldiers are guarding the > opium poppy farms against the Taliban. Since the US has been there, > opium production has multiplied many times, and now Afghanistan is the > world's leader in opium production. Why are US forces serving as > guards for the opium trade?
> But I know none of this can be true. The way I figure it, the > American citizens would rise up and lynch the people who sent their > young men to serve as muscle for international opium dealers. US > citizens would never stand for young US soldiers fighting against > local religious leaders in a foreign country that can't even threaten > the security of the United States.
> The Taliban have no army, no navy, no airplanes, no artillery, nothing > to wage war against the United States. It would be plain murder for > US soldiers to use modern weaponry, including helicopter gunships, jet > fighters, artillery, and even remote controlled missile launchers > against a few poorly armed tribes scattered throughout some hills in a > godforsaken place thousands of miles away from the United States. The > American people are much too civilized to allow something like that. > Aren't they?
The drug trade is a secondary business where legal drug companies are making a killing selling chemicals used to produce opium.
But the main reason for the war was/is the pipeline to the Caspian Sea which the Taliban refused to sign on to.
> Y'know, I've been thinking about that terrible tragedy. Why were those > British soldiers there? It's the same problem I encountered when some > Afghan trainees killed some American soldiers while on patrol. I > asked the same question then. Why were those American soldiers there?
> The media keep telling us that the US military are fighting a group > called the Taliban. The Taliban are Muslim clerics who assumed > authority over Afghanistan after the Russian occupiers were chased > out. The Taliban disarmed the Afghan warlords, stopped the Afghan > farmers from growing opium poppies, and brough a measure of peace to > the Afghan countryside after years of almost continuous fighting. Why > are US troop fighting the Taliban?
> A recent PBS documentary revealed that US soldiers are guarding the > opium poppy farms against the Taliban. Since the US has been there, > opium production has multiplied many times, and now Afghanistan is the > world's leader in opium production. Why are US forces serving as > guards for the opium trade?
> But I know none of this can be true. The way I figure it, the > American citizens would rise up and lynch the people who sent their > young men to serve as muscle for international opium dealers. US > citizens would never stand for young US soldiers fighting against > local religious leaders in a foreign country that can't even threaten > the security of the United States.
. .
> The Taliban have no army, no navy, no airplanes, no artillery, nothing > to wage war against the United States. It would be plain murder for > US soldiers to use modern weaponry, including helicopter gunships, jet > fighters, artillery, and even remote controlled missile launchers > against a few poorly armed tribes scattered throughout some hills in a > godforsaken place thousands of miles away from the United States. The > American people are much too civilized to allow something like that. > Aren't they?
the Taliban are the ONLY group who can RESTORE law and order to Afghanistan AFTER western soldiers leave
the Taliban are HAPPY to see western taxpayers bleeding to death and WANT western soldiers to continue bleeding western taxpayers to DEATH
EXACTLY like they did to the Russians
NOTHING can now save the USA or its puppets
the entire world will soon work out that a few dozen resistance fighters have DEFEATED the greatest military force EVER
Islam will continue to grow by over 91,267 every day , UNTIL the Muslims can demand EVERY person who in any way supported the ILLEGAL wars against Iraq and Afghanistan is HANGED
then EVERYBODY who helped the CIA and MOSSAD stage the 9/11 , Bali , London , Spanish Mumbai , and right back to to CIA and Mossad attacked in Broken Hill in 1915 are ALL HANGED
Muslims will now stop at NOTHING less than full and COMPLETE JUSTICE
EVERY war crime must be FULLY accounted for before western taxpayers can ever see peace ever again
The time has come for the revelation of the frauds behind the 3 JIC (judeo-islamo-christian) sects 'claims ! The time has come for the brave to come to the fore, the cowards to cower back in corners & for the frauds ' supporters to try vainly the Truth emerging !
NOTHING IS STRONGER THAT A TRUTH WHOSE TIME HAS COME
With kind regards to all
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud Australia Mining Pioneer Discoverer & Legal Owner of Telfer Mine (Australia largest Copper & Gold Mine) Nifty (Cu) & Kintyre (U, Th) Mines, all in the Great Sandy Desert Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant Founder of the True Geology
~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One Never Forgiven ~
Discussion subject changed to ""Friendly Afghan Police Officer Murders 5 British Soldiers. So Much For "Winning The Hearts And Minds Of Muslims"" by cornholio
> > Y'know, I've been thinking about that terrible tragedy. Why were those > > British soldiers there? It's the same problem I encountered when some > > Afghan trainees killed some American soldiers while on patrol. I > > asked the same question then. Why were those American soldiers there?
> > The media keep telling us that the US military are fighting a group > > called the Taliban. The Taliban are Muslim clerics who assumed > > authority over Afghanistan after the Russian occupiers were chased > > out. The Taliban disarmed the Afghan warlords, stopped the Afghan > > farmers from growing opium poppies, and brough a measure of peace to > > the Afghan countryside after years of almost continuous fighting. Why > > are US troop fighting the Taliban?
> > A recent PBS documentary revealed that US soldiers are guarding the > > opium poppy farms against the Taliban. Since the US has been there, > > opium production has multiplied many times, and now Afghanistan is the > > world's leader in opium production. Why are US forces serving as > > guards for the opium trade?
> > But I know none of this can be true. The way I figure it, the > > American citizens would rise up and lynch the people who sent their > > young men to serve as muscle for international opium dealers. US > > citizens would never stand for young US soldiers fighting against > > local religious leaders in a foreign country that can't even threaten > > the security of the United States.
> . > .
> > The Taliban have no army, no navy, no airplanes, no artillery, nothing > > to wage war against the United States. It would be plain murder for > > US soldiers to use modern weaponry, including helicopter gunships, jet > > fighters, artillery, and even remote controlled missile launchers > > against a few poorly armed tribes scattered throughout some hills in a > > godforsaken place thousands of miles away from the United States. The > > American people are much too civilized to allow something like that. > > Aren't they?
> the Taliban are the ONLY group who can RESTORE law and order to > Afghanistan AFTER western soldiers leave
LOL. A "law and order" in which pislamic apostates are put to death, women must be dressed in black tents, women can't go to school, honor killings are legal, etc.
Discussion subject changed to ". So Much For "Winning The Hearts And Minds Of Muslims" lone gunman trained armed and educated in USA , largest USA military base on earth attacked" by kangarooistan
Subject: . So Much For "Winning The Hearts And Minds Of Muslims" lone gunman trained armed and educated in USA , largest USA military base on earth attacked
> > the Taliban are the ONLY group who can RESTORE law and order to > > Afghanistan AFTER western soldiers leave
> LOL. A "law and order" in which pislamic apostates are put to death, > women must be dressed in black tents, women can't go to school, > honor killings are legal, etc.
Muslims should rise up' Major Nidal Malik Hasan, who killed 11 people before being shot dead at Fort Hood, had said Muslims should "rise up" and attack Americans in retaliation for the US war in Iraq, a former army colleague said last night.
By Philip Sherwell in New York Published: 1:41AM GMT 06 Nov 2009
Col Terry Lee, a retired officer who worked with him at the military base in Texas, described angry confrontations between Maj Hasan and other officers after he expressed his views.
Maj Hasan was reportedly fighting orders to be deployed to Iraq at the end of the month, claiming that he was the victim of harassment and insults because of his Arab background and his faith.
Fort Hood shooting: 12 killed at US army base * Pakistan region hit by suicide bomb that kills 40 people * Terrorists launch second wave of 'revenge' attacks in Pakistan * Pakistan suicide bombing kills 23 in 'Taliban revenge attack' * Pakistani army prepares for key Swat battle
The major was a psychiatrist who had been treating soldiers returning from Iraq for post-traumatic stress and alcohol and drug abuse problems.
"He was making outlandish comments condemning our foreign policy and claimed Muslims had the right to rise up and attack Americans," Col Lee told Fox News.
"He said Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor and that we should not be in the war in the first place."
He said he was aware that the major had been subject to "name calling" during heated arguments with other officers.
Maj Hasan's cousin Nader Husan said he was happy working for the military but did dread deployment to Iraq.
Mr Hasan said his cousin was a US-born Muslim who had joined the military after high school.
He had served as a psychiatrist at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington DC, which treats many badly wounded troops.
"He was a psychiatrist at Walter Reed dealing with the people coming back and ... trying to help them with their trauma," he said.
He said his cousin had been transferred to Fort Hood in April months ago and was very reluctant to be deployed to Iraq. "We've known over the last five years that was probably his worst nightmare," he said.
Published: November 5, 2009
Updated: 23 min. ago
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* Shootings at Fort Hood
Officials at MacDill Air Force Base, home to Central Command and Special Operations Command, are not talking about what, if any, additional security measures they are taking after today's shootings at Fort Hood.
"The Air Force takes the safety and security of its personnel seriously, and the Air Force is committed to protecting all service members, their families, civilian employees and anyone else that works or visits MacDill AFB," Col. Larry Martin, 6th Air Mobility Wing commander, said in a written statement. "MacDill Air Force Base has security measures in place at all times, however, The Air Force does not discuss specifics of our force protection measures."
Share Fort Hood shootings not first brush with tragedy
05:20 PM CST on Thursday, November 5, 2009
From staff reports
Killeen was the site of one of the nation's most deadly mass shootings on Oct. 16, 1991. On that day, George Hennard, 35, slammed his truck through the front window of a Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen.
Yelling, "This is what Bell County did to me," he got out of his truck and began shooting diners. Within 10 minutes, he had killed 23 people and wounded more than 20 before committing suicide.
12 dead as soldier opens fire at Fort Hood Army base
Google map: Area where shootings reportedly occurred
Obama laments 'horrific outburst of violence'
Link: Fort Hood facts
Witnesses said the killer strolled through the cafeteria, randomly selecting victims.
No motive was ever established.
Reportedly a racist and a misogynist, he wrote to a friend in early 1991: "Please give me the satisfaction of one day laughing in the face of all those mostly white treacherous female vipers." After graduating from high school, he joined the Navy, then later transferred to the Merchant Marine,
Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001)
was a United States Army veteran and security guard who was convicted of bombing the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995, the second anniversary of the Waco Siege, as revenge or to inspire a revolt against what he considered a tyrannical federal government.
The bombing killed 168 people and was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks.[2]
Military career
In May 1988, McVeigh enlisted in the U.S. Army.[17] He had little interest in the bar scene, preferring to use his spare time to read about guns, sniper tactics, or explosives.[18] He once ordered a "White Power" T-shirt from the KKK in protest against black servicemen who wore "Black Power" T-shirts around his army camp [19], but was reprimanded.
He was a decorated veteran of the United States Army, having served in the Gulf War, where he was awarded a Bronze Star. He had been a top- scoring gunner with the 25mm cannon of the Bradley Fighting Vehicles used by the U.S. 1st Infantry Division to which he was assigned. He served at Fort Riley, Kansas, before Operation Desert Storm. At Fort Riley, McVeigh completed the Primary Leadership Development Course (PLDC). McVeigh later would say that the Army taught him how to switch off his emotions.[6] He had special lifesaving training and may have saved the life of a comrade who had life-threatening shrapnel wounds. [20]
McVeigh wanted to join the United States Army Special Forces. After returning from the Gulf War, he entered the selection program for United States Army Special Forces to become a SF soldier , but was quickly dropped from the program after failing to meet the physical fitness requirements. Shortly thereafter, McVeigh decided to leave the Army. He was discharged on December 31, 1991.[21] McVeigh was given an honorable discharge from the Army Reserve in May 1992. He was convicted of 11 federal offenses, sentenced to death and executed on June 11, 2001.
On Nov 5, 9:06 pm, cornholio <andxor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 5:04 pm, kangarooistan <kangarooist...@gmail.com> wrote: > LOL. A "law and order" in which pislamic apostates are put to death, > women must be dressed in black tents, women can't go to school, > honor killings are legal, etc.
Why do rightists condone the murder of civilians by the military, but condemn other murders?
Muslims are right wing and so are you. Shouldn't gutless filth like you be defending your brethren?
Between 1969 and 1971, the Army reported 600 fragging incidents that killed 82 Americans and injured 651, according to the Associated Press. In 1971 alone, there were 1.8 fraggings for every 1,000 American soldiers serving in Vietnam, not including gun and knife assaults.
Such incidents have dropped dramatically. But in recent years there have been several incidents in the United States and Iraq. As tallied by NBC News and the Associated Press, they include:
- May 11, 2009: Five soldiers shot dead at Camp Liberty in Baghdad by Sgt. John Russell.
- Sept. 8, 2008: Spc. Jody Michael Wirawan shoots himself to death after killing 1st Lt. Robert Bartlett Fletcher at Fort Hood.
- Feb. 25, 2008: Dustin Thorson, an Air Force technical sergeant, fatally shoots his son and daughter at home on Tinker Air Base in Oklahoma in domestic dispute with ex-wife. He had been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder after returning from Iraq.
- June 7 2005: Two National Guard officers are killed by a grenade at headquarters in Tikrit. Staff Sgt. Alberto Martinez is later acquitted of murder in a court-martial.
- Oct. 27, 1995: Sgt. William Kreutzer goes on shooting spree at Fort Bragg, killing one and injuring 18 in a sniper attack during formation. He is serving a life sentence after a death sentence was overturned.
Discussion subject changed to ". So Much For "Winning The Hearts And Minds Of Muslims" lone gunman trained armed and educated in USA , largest USA military base on earth attacked" by kangarooistan
Subject: Re: . So Much For "Winning The Hearts And Minds Of Muslims" lone gunman trained armed and educated in USA , largest USA military base on earth attacked
Muslims should rise up' Major Nidal Malik Hasan, who killed 11 people before being shot dead at Fort Hood, had said Muslims should "rise up" and attack Americans in retaliation for the US war in Iraq, a former army colleague said last night.
By Philip Sherwell in New York Published: 1:41AM GMT 06 Nov 2009
Col Terry Lee, a retired officer who worked with him at the military base in Texas, described angry confrontations between Maj Hasan and other officers after he expressed his views.
Maj Hasan was reportedly fighting orders to be deployed to Iraq at the end of the month, claiming that he was the victim of harassment and insults because of his Arab background and his faith.
Fort Hood shooting: 12 killed at US army base * Pakistan region hit by suicide bomb that kills 40 people * Terrorists launch second wave of 'revenge' attacks in Pakistan * Pakistan suicide bombing kills 23 in 'Taliban revenge attack' * Pakistani army prepares for key Swat battle
The major was a psychiatrist who had been treating soldiers returning from Iraq for post-traumatic stress and alcohol and drug abuse problems.
"He was making outlandish comments condemning our foreign policy and claimed Muslims had the right to rise up and attack Americans," Col Lee told Fox News.
"He said Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor and that we should not be in the war in the first place."
He said he was aware that the major had been subject to "name calling" during heated arguments with other officers.
Maj Hasan's cousin Nader Husan said he was happy working for the military but did dread deployment to Iraq.
Mr Hasan said his cousin was a US-born Muslim who had joined the military after high school.
He had served as a psychiatrist at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington DC, which treats many badly wounded troops.
"He was a psychiatrist at Walter Reed dealing with the people coming back and ... trying to help them with their trauma," he said.
He said his cousin had been transferred to Fort Hood in April months ago and was very reluctant to be deployed to Iraq. "We've known over the last five years that was probably his worst nightmare," he said.
Published: November 5, 2009
Updated: 23 min. ago
Related Links
* Shootings at Fort Hood
Officials at MacDill Air Force Base, home to Central Command and Special Operations Command, are not talking about what, if any, additional security measures they are taking after today's shootings at Fort Hood.
"The Air Force takes the safety and security of its personnel seriously, and the Air Force is committed to protecting all service members, their families, civilian employees and anyone else that works or visits MacDill AFB," Col. Larry Martin, 6th Air Mobility Wing commander, said in a written statement. "MacDill Air Force Base has security measures in place at all times, however, The Air Force does not discuss specifics of our force protection measures."
Share Fort Hood shootings not first brush with tragedy
05:20 PM CST on Thursday, November 5, 2009
From staff reports
Killeen was the site of one of the nation's most deadly mass shootings on Oct. 16, 1991. On that day, George Hennard, 35, slammed his truck through the front window of a Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen.
Yelling, "This is what Bell County did to me," he got out of his truck and began shooting diners. Within 10 minutes, he had killed 23 people and wounded more than 20 before committing suicide.
12 dead as soldier opens fire at Fort Hood Army base
Google map: Area where shootings reportedly occurred
Obama laments 'horrific outburst of violence'
Link: Fort Hood facts
Witnesses said the killer strolled through the cafeteria, randomly selecting victims.
No motive was ever established.
Reportedly a racist and a misogynist, he wrote to a friend in early 1991: "Please give me the satisfaction of one day laughing in the face of all those mostly white treacherous female vipers." After graduating from high school, he joined the Navy, then later transferred to the Merchant Marine,
Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001)
was a United States Army veteran and security guard who was convicted of bombing the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995, the second anniversary of the Waco Siege, as revenge or to inspire a revolt against what he considered a tyrannical federal government.
The bombing killed 168 people and was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks.[2]
Military career
In May 1988, McVeigh enlisted in the U.S. Army.[17] He had little interest in the bar scene, preferring to use his spare time to read about guns, sniper tactics, or explosives.[18] He once ordered a "White Power" T-shirt from the KKK in protest against black servicemen who wore "Black Power" T-shirts around his army camp [19], but was reprimanded.
He was a decorated veteran of the United States Army, having served in the Gulf War, where he was awarded a Bronze Star. He had been a top- scoring gunner with the 25mm cannon of the Bradley Fighting Vehicles used by the U.S. 1st Infantry Division to which he was assigned. He served at Fort Riley, Kansas, before Operation Desert Storm. At Fort Riley, McVeigh completed the Primary Leadership Development Course (PLDC). McVeigh later would say that the Army taught him how to switch off his emotions.[6] He had special lifesaving training and may have saved the life of a comrade who had life-threatening shrapnel wounds. [20]
McVeigh wanted to join the United States Army Special Forces. After returning from the Gulf War, he entered the selection program for United States Army Special Forces to become a SF soldier , but was quickly dropped from the program after failing to meet the physical fitness requirements. Shortly thereafter, McVeigh decided to leave the Army. He was discharged on December 31, 1991.[21] McVeigh was given an honorable discharge from the Army Reserve in May 1992. He was convicted of 11 federal offenses, sentenced to death and executed on June 11, 2001.
Discussion subject changed to ""Friendly Afghan Police Officer Murders 5 British Soldiers. So Much For "Winning The Hearts And Minds Of Muslims"" by Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
> LOL. A "law and order" in which pislamic apostates are put to death, > women must be dressed in black tents, women can't go to school, > honor killings are legal, etc.
"The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!" - Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity.
"This is the recession we had to have!" - Paul Keating explaining why he gave Australia another Labour recession.
"Silly old bugger!" - Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more.
"By 1990, no child will live in poverty" - Bob Hawke again, desperate to win another election.
"A billion trees ..." - Borke, pissed as a newt again.
"Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor general!" - Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his appointee for Governor General John Kerr.
"SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB CUNT!" - FlangesBum on learning the truth about Labour's economic capabilities.
"I don't care what you fuckers think!" - KRudd the KRude at his finest again.
"We'll just change it all when we get in." - Garrett the carrott
> The media keep telling us that the US military are fighting a group > called the Taliban.
That'd be because they are....
> The Taliban are Muslim clerics who assumed > authority over Afghanistan after the Russian occupiers were chased > out.
No, the old warlords chased the Russians out for the most part, the Taliban was a small extremist group that was massively boosted by lunatics from every other Muslim country in the area when they saw an opportunity to build their own tyrannical empire. The Taliban was primarily NOT Afghan when they took over (effectively invaded) Afghanistan, driving the Afghans ruled by the warlords into the North.
> The Taliban disarmed the Afghan warlords
No they didn't they drove them into the North, where they formed the Northern Alliance, a resistance group against the primarily foreign occupying force of the Taliban.
>, stopped the Afghan > farmers from growing opium poppies,
No they didn't, they took massive amounts of bribe money from the US to not grow Opium, when even the US couldn't pretend the massacres and attrocities under the Taliban weren't happening they stopped paying the bribes, and as soon as the bribe money stopped the Taliban pumped into mass opium production, reaching heights never before seen in Afghan opium production.
> and brough a measure of peace to > the Afghan countryside after years of almost continuous fighting.
By torturing and murdering anyone that looked the wrong way at the lunatics in the areas that those foreign invaders had occupied.
> Why > are US troop fighting the Taliban?
Because they are evil scum that invaded Afghanistan and tortured and murdered their entire way through their tyranny within the country.
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