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1.  essendon93  
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 More options Feb 16 2006, 8:18 pm
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From: essendon93 <essendon93.23b...@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:18:40 +1100
Local: Thurs, Feb 16 2006 8:18 pm
Subject: Geelong Tri

Looking at doing a team triathlon down at Geelong in a couple of months,
with myself doing the bike leg (40km), Con doing the Run(10km) and
another workmate the swim (1500m).

I'm tipping I'll be on the bike up near the front, which means noone to
chase down, and be a case of trying to limit the damage as people start
picking me off...I ain't exactly a quick ITT'er

Having never TT 40km before, what sort of training would people
recommend? Its on April 16.

What sort of av speed should I be doing?  My fitness isn't that good at
the minute.

Also has anyone got a rough idea of what sort of times teams do in
these races for each leg?

Thanks
ess

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2.  Gags  
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 More options Feb 16 2006, 9:28 pm
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From: "Gags" <gags_44nospamatnospamtpg.com.au>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:28:51 +1100
Local: Thurs, Feb 16 2006 9:28 pm
Subject: Re: Geelong Tri
"essendon93" <essendon93.23b...@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote in
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> Looking at doing a team triathlon down at Geelong in a couple of months,
> with myself doing the bike leg (40km), Con doing the Run(10km) and
> another workmate the swim (1500m).

> I'm tipping I'll be on the bike up near the front, which means noone to
> chase down, and be a case of trying to limit the damage as people start
> picking me off...I ain't exactly a quick ITT'er

> Having never TT 40km before, what sort of training would people
> recommend? Its on April 16.

Wait for a windy day then push a big gear into the wind on a slight
uphill......don't worry about your knees, you can get nice light titanium
ones when you get older.

Also, I have a set of the TTT Spinaci type aero bars if you want to borrow
them......let me know.

Gags


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3.  essendon93  
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 More options Feb 17 2006, 7:00 am
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From: essendon93 <essendon93.23c...@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:00:45 +1100
Local: Fri, Feb 17 2006 7:00 am
Subject: Re: Geelong Tri

Gags Wrote:

> Wait for a windy day then push a big gear into the wind on a slight
> uphill......don't worry about your knees, you can get nice light
> titanium
> ones when you get older.

> Also, I have a set of the TTT Spinaci type aero bars if you want to
> borrow
> them......let me know.

> Gags

hmmm, maybe Geelong Rd on a windy day...I reckon that would be enough
resistance :D I might take you up on the aero bars...I'll let you know
a bit closer to the date.

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4.  DaveB  
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 More options Feb 16 2006, 9:45 pm
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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:45:47 +1100
Local: Thurs, Feb 16 2006 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: Geelong Tri
Ess have a look at the times from some of the Olympic Dist tri's and I
would reckon teams would be aiming for close to the top individuals.
Here's teh results from Geelong last month
http://www.triseries.com.au/day4/index.asp so would reckon you'd want to
aim for something around 37kmh. Actually that is weird because they
always feel like they are doing double my speed.

But what you really want, and I keep telling myself I should do more of
this, is some time on a velodrome doing constant speed work. From memory
the Geelong course is fairly flat so you need to be able to get up to a
speed and hold it. I enjoy the hill riding on the BR (no honestly I do),
but for ITT training on the flat it doesn't help me that much and i
really need to complement it with velo training on the flat.

DaveB


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5.  gplama  
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 More options Feb 16 2006, 9:06 pm
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From: gplama <gplama.23b...@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:06:38 +1100
Local: Thurs, Feb 16 2006 9:06 pm
Subject: Re: Geelong Tri

essendon93 Wrote:

> What sort of av speed should I be doing?  My fitness isn't that good at
> the minute.

My 2c, not that I have much of an idea for such things..

Put that Polar into overdrive and work out your LT... lots of
books/google links on finding your LT.. once you have that.. just use
that as your guide on the day.. or if you are feeling good on the day,
smash it up...

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6.  ritcho  
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 More options Feb 16 2006, 8:56 pm
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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:56:02 +1100
Local: Thurs, Feb 16 2006 8:56 pm
Subject: Re: Geelong Tri

essendon93 Wrote:

I've done one or two tris and TTs... There are lots of different people
that enter these races, so the speed really does vary a lot, most people
will average between 30 and 45km/h - where do you fit in? Teams vary
from the "dream teams", that will finish an Olympic distance race under
1h45m, through to once-in-a-lifetime competitors that could take 3hrs.

You probably won't be 'out front' because team entrants normally start
after the individual age group wave starts. If the course is multi-lap,
you'll have no idea where the leader is. This means you'll probably zoom
past some riders, and some will zoom past you (disc wheels make a
roaring sound as they go past).

April 16 is a way off, so you do have time for some specific training.
Coaches can give you some specific advice, but some general advice is
that you'll be riding for around an hour and a bit, give or take a
little. You can't sprint for that length of time + the fastest solution
is normally to give a constant or near constant power level. This means
riding within yourself in the earlier stages and ramping up the effort
level in the second half. Keep a good aero position (that is consistent
with comfort!) and concentrate on drinking regularly.

No doubt, others will have some helpful tips. Good luck!

Ritch

PS. I might even enter this race...

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7.  essendon93  
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 More options Feb 16 2006, 9:38 pm
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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:38:15 +1100
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Subject: Re: Geelong Tri

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8.  SuzieB  
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 More options Feb 16 2006, 10:44 pm
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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:44:26 +1100
Local: Thurs, Feb 16 2006 10:44 pm
Subject: Re: Geelong Tri

essendon93 Wrote:

> Looking at doing a team triathlon down at Geelong in a couple of months,
> with myself doing the bike leg (40km), Con doing the Run(10km) and
> another workmate the swim (1500m).

I'll be there doing the Brooks race so I'll try and spot you to cheer.
:) The advice I had from my trainer on the last triathlon was to get in
53/17 and work hard. I found that to be good advice for me but I was
only doing 10km that day and I was doing all three legs. Basically what
Caren was getting me to do was get in a gear to race in rather than
train in. I was only passed by a couple of girls and pased heapsa
people so felt the ride was successful.

Someone else might have a better idea of a good ratio for you but
obviously it's going to be a harder gear than you would normally ride
in because you wanna whip the trihardletes arses. :D

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9.  Bleve  
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 More options Feb 17 2006, 10:36 pm
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From: "Bleve" <carl.I.bre...@gmail.com>
Date: 17 Feb 2006 03:36:37 -0800
Local: Fri, Feb 17 2006 10:36 pm
Subject: Re: Geelong Tri

SuzieB wrote:
> essendon93 Wrote:
> > Looking at doing a team triathlon down at Geelong in a couple of months,
> > with myself doing the bike leg (40km), Con doing the Run(10km) and
> > another workmate the swim (1500m).

> I'll be there doing the Brooks race so I'll try and spot you to cheer.
> :) The advice I had from my trainer on the last triathlon was to get in
> 53/17 and work hard.

You're serious?!  *mutters* triathaletes ...

> I found that to be good advice for me but I was
> only doing 10km that day and I was doing all three legs. Basically what
> Caren was getting me to do was get in a gear to race in rather than
> train in. I was only passed by a couple of girls and pased heapsa
> people so felt the ride was successful.

> Someone else might have a better idea of a good ratio for you but
> obviously it's going to be a harder gear than you would normally ride
> in because you wanna whip the trihardletes arses. :D

It's about wattage, not any fantasy universe where there's no wind and
the road is perfectly flat. The Bellarine Hwy is neither flat nor
wind-free. Without a power meter, you'd do it off heartrate & cadence.

You (Ess) need to do 3 things - firstly, work out what your maximum
steady state power output is, which you can do on a velodrone with a
HRM, speedo and a reasonably still day.  Secondly, train to raise that
threshold by doing interval work at just above it, and thirdly, get as
aerodynamic as you can on the bike while doing this and remaining
comfortable.  You'll need a fair base and you will need to have done a
fair whack of E3 work to allow you to maintain threshold for long
periods.  In 2 months it will be possible to make a significant
difference to your ITT performance if you have enough base in your legs
to recover quickly from the intervals and E3 work.

During the ITT, you need to remember to stay at or slighly below that
threshold, or you will conk out and lose power.  You basically ride
tri-style, which is to say "I ride at 160bpm, 90rpm, disengage brain,
wait for finish line"


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10.  DaveB  
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 More options Feb 18 2006, 8:54 am
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From: DaveB <dbuerck...@NOSPAMMOoptusnet.com.au>
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:54:06 +1100
Local: Sat, Feb 18 2006 8:54 am
Subject: Re: Geelong Tri

Bleve wrote:
> threshold, or you will conk out and lose power.  You basically ride
> tri-style, which is to say "I ride at 160bpm, 90rpm, disengage brain,
> wait for finish line"

WooHoo it looks like I've at least been doing something right in a
triathlon.

DaveB "now if I could just learn how to run"


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