it ain't gonna happen bub. just forgive yourself in the same virtual manner that you made the posts in and be virtually free of your sins. go in virtual peace bub. ta
I pay attention to what people say cause that is all you have here. You don't know that I am not a third grader. All you can go by is what people say in virtual space.
Mike Dubbeld
"Hans Schande" <hans-scha...@gmx.net> wrote in message
as you see it has already happened ! ;-) true love ALWAYS can do miracles ...
dropping causes if errors have become aware is step 1 to create peace before being able to re-establish the free flow of divine love.
any desire of any person wishing to clean up HIS life shall always be fulfilled by reasonable persons - specially if they consider themself spiritual or spritual disciples ( or "gurus" )
i will post on that topic of HIS cleanup later on - as HIS problem has to do with the same origin as the problems of OTHERS here.--->>
multiple personalities / email identities ;-)) - many of them ;))) as a result of suppressed or denied or rejected aspects of own being.
hans
Yada Yada wrote: > it ain't gonna happen bub. just forgive yourself in the same virtual > manner that you made the posts in and be virtually free of your sins. go > in virtual peace bub. ta
Your "true love" is coming from something that is *truly sick*, Hans Neukomm.
WHO IS HANS NEUKOMM?
Beloved Friends,
It is with sadness that I bring the news of Mr. Hans Neukomm's fraudulent claims and deeds unbecoming of someone posing as a spiritual master who is only interested in loving everyone with the love of God.
HIS "GURU"
First of all Lahiri Mahasaya, whom Mr. Neukomm boldly claim to be his Guru died a hundred and seven years ago. I'm sure that even Mr. Neukomm's grandfather wasn't yet born at that time. This is outright fraud. How can Mr. Neukomm be a disciple of someone whom he never met, never knew and never knew him? This isn't how Kriya Yoga is transmitted. Lahiri Mahasaya have duly-empowered successors. There are various bona fide lines of Lahiri Mahasaya that exist even to this time. Lahiri Mahasaya need not personally descend and teach one Mr. Hans Neukomm Kriya Yoga. One example of such a line is that of Sri Daya Mata. Sri Daya Mata is a disciple of Paramhansa Yogananda, Paramhansa Yogananda was a disciple of Swami Sri Yukteswarji, Swami Sri Yukteswarji was a disciple of Lahiri Mahasaya. Another line is that of Swami Sadhanananda. Swami Sadhanananda is a disciple of Swami Bhavananda Giri, Swami Bhavananda was a disciple of Swami Sri Yukteswarji, who was in turn a disciple of Lahiri Mahasaya. Shibendu Lahiri, the dynastic heir of Lahiri Mahasaya's Kriya Yoga is touring the west on a regular basis. Shibendu Lahiri is the son of Satyacharan Lahiri, Satyacharan Lahiri was the son of Tinkouri Lahiri, Tinkouri Lahiri was Lahiri Mahasaya's son. Hans Neukomm's claim of being a direct personal disciple of Lahiri Mahasaya is preposterous to say the least. Even his claim of spending many previous incarnations with him doesn't justify it. According to his own Gita Translation, Paramhansa Yogananda was Prince Arjuna in a previous life. Paramhansaji was also open about Sri Yukteswar's being St. Francis of Assissi in a previous incarnation. but still Paramhansa Yogananda needed to get initiation from a living master Sri Yukteswar, and Sri Yukteswar needed to get initiation from a living master Lahiri Mahasaya.
This is the truth. Mr. Hans Neukomm doesn't have a valid lineage to back his guru business up, so he concocted his own, plain and simple. But how will people notice when he will plaster your face with countless "I love yous" and "God bless yous". Mr. Hans Neukomm's claim of being Lahiri Mahasaya's disciple is a blatant lie.
DOES MR. NEUKOMM REALLY LOVE YOU?
This is a valid question considering that Mr. Neukomm is living a very luxurious life travelling and spending hard -earned disciples' money to pay underage prostitutes. This has been attested by his own disciples and even mentioned in his website that is filled with long and winding blabbing that leads to nowhere. And they are tolerating it because to them it is just one of their guru's way of expressing his great "love" for everyone and everything. Hans' organization is a sex cult:
"I arrived in the Philippines in the early March, 2001 with small amount of money, but in my opinion enough to pay for a tree-week stay in a hotel and have several dollars per day for all the rest. At that time Hans was living near San Fernando in a cottage next to the beach. I reached his place in the evening and took a cottage next to him. He was out somewere. I took a shower and went to sleep. I was sleeping when I heard his voice and a minute later he knocked on my door. With an infinite joy in my heart I opened the door and fell in his arms. After a big hug he offered me to continue my rest and meet each other next morning for breakfast. For my surprise he was with a girl. I agreed and went back to bed. But I could not asleep listening to the noise in his cottage. And after a while...O MY GOD !!! They started making SEX! Skies fall onto my head.I was shocked. My mind was overloaded thinking.How can a guru do such thing? One of the first reactions was to catch my flight back to USA and start my search for guru/god again. That night I was teared apart. But the TRUTH did enter my personality at last. All my doubts were cleared up after the breakfast next morning. There was so much Divine Love that even my mind surrendered and I prepared myself to enjoy my guru's love for the remainder of my stay. But obviously it was time to learn- to become husband, father, lover and helper."
Poor blind follower of Mr. Neukomm. Hans is married and has two daughters, how can this disciple of Mr. Neukomm learn how to become husband, father, lover and helper from a philadering bloodsucker like Hans?
a man bows to the "WOMEN" inside his wives / partners by being able to kiss her pussy (vagina) with such great devotion and love that she can easily have an orgasm. this proofs full acceptance of HER being "different" from male - her being truly female - hence of OPPOSITE nature than the man himself. while the women in such love practice is required to truly be in peace with herself being a female being and by being fully relaxed to completely OPEN and accept her husband bowing to her in such a truly spiritual way. if the woman fails to fully open for her partner - then she may fail to experience an orgasm as a result of herself failing to ACCEPT his true divine love ! every true female woman loves that and enjoys it again and again - and EVERY spiritual woman NEEDS this proof of true love again and again for her spiritual healing and of course for a happy fulfilling partnership !! the female sexual organs are of receiving nature - specially the uterus has a powerful large chakra to absorb metaphysical energy GIVEN by the man during sex including oral sex. it is this male energy flowing INTO the spiritual being of a woman that finally causes the orgasm of a woman in ALL sexual practices between men and women. the woman NEEDS to truly LOVE that man to fully OPEN for his love and that man needs to have TRUE spiritual love in order to be able to GIVE such love that creates an orgasm within the woman. an orgasm is a temporary union of two astral bodies - and for more advanced spiritual couples of two causal bodies. no matter what the reason and purpose of a marriage is or was - one day every woman is starving for that ultimate proof of love. even if in some cultures or religions such proof or sexual practice has been completely suppressed - one day - now or in a later incarnation that woman may search for something missing ... and finally find it and escape any present marriage or partnership that existed for any reason of abuse what so ever. true love needs to be proven ! again and again and for eternity !! the thirst for true love and a possible missing proof of such true love in a given partnership always is stronger than and material benefits present and causes both partners to be attracted toward the final and eternal love partner - sooner or later. a woman bows to the "MAN" inside her husband / partner by giving him a "blow job" - by sucking his penis and FULLY absorbing all energy metaphysical and physical ( semen = physical love ) flowing out of her partner's penis. this requires HER to be fully open to accept his love and ABSORB love within HER female being - she either can absorb all or NONE - never metaphysical love only and rejecting physical love ! this oral sex however also requires the man being fully relaxed and ready to GIVE ALL to his wife - it also requires that HE feels the his love is WELCOME by his wife / partner. he needs to FEEL that his love is "good enough" for his wife and that she loves it. of course such can only be done by a woman who is in peace with her sexual woman inside as well as that man needs to be in peace with his sexual role as a man ! every man who may presently feel and BE abused as a source of financial support or as a jump board for a females career may sooner or later miss this ultimate proof of being loved as a simple man. just remember the very recent story in the late 90-ies of the previous millennium of a young woman and a president of a large American country - that man was abused by his married wife as a jump board for her future career and at the same time this man as a president was missing simple true love from a female being. no career, no position, no money ever can replace true love in all its divine aspects for any extended period. the thirst and hunger for true love bursts one day all limits and finds a suitable source for fulfillment. that young woman who gave that president the proof of true love was his true eternal partner. karma has separated them and the search for love by each soul still has kept them physically close enough to find each other - at least until the weird and very ill sexual mentality of that country destroyed ( or postponed ) a possible happy-end ! I noticed that westerners are so quick to fall prey on someone capitalizing on love and God. Please understand that is the oldest trick in the book. It is very easy to say "I love you" to anyone specially in the Internet, more so if you that is how you make your living. But this "I Love You" cult of Mr. Hans Neukomm is no different than the Love Bug or "I Love You" virus that destroyed millions of dollar worth of computers throughout the world. All of a sudden you find an email entitled "I Love You" on your inbox, you open it and voila! Its a virus. How gullible people are. And now this is being repeated again in the story of Hans.
"HANS' KRIYA"
Mr. Neukomm offers an online initiation on "Kriya Yoga", according to him it is the same Kriya taught by Lahiri Mahasaya. This is not true. The so-called "Kriya Yoga" in Mr. Neukomm's website doesn't even remotely resemble real Kriya Yoga as taught by Lahiri Mahasaya and his successors.
somehow my first attempt to post seems to have got lost - if one day it appears double then sorry and keep ;-))
so here again: - --------------
beloved ones
some of you have been reading silently - others might have been amused smiled every now and then and others got somehow involved ... or excited and heated up ... ;-))
in some posts BBA making statements without knowing any facts at all and posts from others .. some of them using fake identities to serve BBA's purpose of creating troubles - trouble sometimes bounce back - just like a boomerang ;-)) and such boomerang can often be the only healing medicine as all loving attempts may have been rejected.
for those who have been contacted by some of the a.m. persons and miss he final points - here the URL - including some facts about fake identities used during this scenario. for those of you who understand german - you may see how finally the person indirectly admits that his "multiple" identities got somehow out of control ... ;-))
Please be informed that the so-called "Kriya Yoga" that Hans Neukomm is teaching in his website doesn't even remotele resemble the Kriya Yoga of Lahiri Mahasaya mentioned in Paramhansa Yogananda's "Autobiography of a Yogi". Hans Neukomm is a con artist, a person who doesn't want to work but is quite content surviving (rather comfortably) from alms he regularly solicited from his unwitting "disciples". This person have been in the Net for years, using his counterfeit and imagination manufactured "diksha" page to cash-in on the spiritual gullibility of the people. Mr. Neukomm's "love" is coming from something REALLY SICK. This supposed FAMILY MAN (Mr. Neukomm is married with two daughters as he himself stated years ago in his pathetic website) is just doing nothing enjoying material sense pleasure in the company of Filipina prostitutes. Now he has a new racket (as if the old ones are not enough), he is inviting people to the Philippines where there is presently a very tight security situation brought about by the many bombings that are going on all over the country including Manila. Hans Neukomm is willing to endanger the lives of his "disciples" just for his childish game and material sense pleasure.
"Arroyo declared victory too soon. Since the beginning of October, the nation has been shaken by four separate terrorist bombings, leaving 14 people dead. Three of those attacks took place in the city of Zamboanga--a comfortable 800 kilometers from the capital. But on Oct. 18, a blast ripped through a public bus in Manila, killing two and shattering the illusion that the security problem was confined to the south. On Oct. 23, police arrested five members of Abu Sayyaf in the Zamboanga attacks, but no one has yet been charged in the Manila bombing. "This brings things a lot closer to home," says a Manila-based Western diplomat."
"The attacks make it that much harder for Arroyo to focus on the Philippines' economic problems. Swept into office in January, 2001, after President Joseph Estrada was ousted in a corruption scandal, Arroyo promised to repair chronic budget deficits, relaunch government privatization and infrastructure projects, and bring back fleeing foreign investment. Bright, well-educated--the 55-year-old former vice-president has a PhD in economics--and considered squeaky clean, Arroyo presented a welcome change from Estrada, a womanizing former movie heartthrob known for cronyism and lax management."
"Instead, the President has been forced to devote her energies to security. In the spring of 2001, Abu Sayyaf kidnapped an American missionary couple and dozens of others. In November, a separatist group on the southern island of Jolo launched an insurgency. Then the U.S.--focusing on the Philippines as a suspected center of al Qaeda-inspired terrorism--sent 1,000 troops to help track terrorists. And now Arroyo must face the bombings."
"While she battles the terrorist monsters, economic problems have festered. Unemployment today stands at 11.2%, virtually unchanged from her inauguration. Although Arroyo promised to fight poverty, 44% of Filipinos still live on less than $2 a day--the same level as when she took office. And she has failed to reverse a five-year slide in foreign direct investment."
"True, the economy is expected to grow 4% this year, thanks to a strong rebound in exports of electronics. But that growth masks the spreading rot underneath. More than 17% of loans by Filipino banks were listed as nonperforming in August, up from 14.9% when Arroyo took office. And by July, the fiscal deficit had exceeded Arroyo's target for the entire year. Rampant tax evasion is part of the problem, but critics say that tax receipts won't increase so long as graft pervades everything from customs to motor vehicle registration. Corruption "is incredibly widespread," says Edgardo J. Angara, leader of the opposition Laban Ng Demokratikong Pilipino party. Jose Isidro N. Camacho, Arroyo's Finance Secretary, counters that tax collection was nearly on target in September, although he concedes there has been a shortfall for most of the year. "We are continuously improving the [tax] agency's performance," he says."
"Plans for privatization have also bogged down. The proposed sales of Philippine National Bank, Manila Electric Co., and the state monopoly National Power Co. are all stalled. And even if the sales were to go forward, buyers might be scarce. "In the wake of Bali and the local bombings, who is going to want to buy them?" asks Robert Broadfoot, managing director of Political & Economic Risk Consultancy Ltd. in Hong Kong.
One sector that's already suffering: tourism. The Makati Shangri-La luxury hotel in Manila's business district has seen 450 cancellations just in the last two weeks. "We've definitely lost a lot of bookings, and it's directly linked to the bombings," says general manager Richard W. Riley. Japan has warned its citizens to avoid bars, and concerts by touring Western music groups have been cancelled."
Note that Mr. Neukomm doesn't belong to any valid Kriya Yoga sampradaya and is an absolute persona non grata in Kriya Yoga.
EXCHANGE BETWEEN BRAHMAN-ATMANANDA AND NEUKOMM IN alt.yoga:
Hans Neukomm <h...@kriyayoga.com> wrote in message <news:3DA3C8CD.3090900@kriyayoga.com>... > Dear Dr Daryl / Brother Brahman-Atmananda and to > whom it may concern - > including the poster HERE of the email circulating > authored by Brother > Brahman-Atmananda.
> please be precise and limit your statements to FACTS > that you have > WITNESSED in person YOURSELF !
We are PRECISE, Neukomm, A ZILLION TIMES MORE PRECISE THAN YOU. A fact need NOT be witnessed in person for it to become a fact. For example someone can know for a fact that you have eyes, ears, nose, mouth, hands, feet and that you are a white guy. Even if he haven't personally witnessed it. That is a FACT, isn't it? (Or are you going to have one of your limbs amputated or have your skin dyed just to disprove it?). That is why human beings are blessed with COMMONSENSE (something that you obviously lack), as well as intuition. You're CONCEPT of what is and what is not fact is VERY TWISTED, Hans. You're an idiot.
> while many know you here in this news group and know > that you like to > lie or CREATE lies and stories and insult for no > obvious reason at all,
Never, I never uttered a single lie, Hans. But you, you have proven yourself to be a real liar. Here is one example:
From: hans (h...@kriyayoga.com) Subject: Re: New edition - Biography of a Yogi Newsgroups: alt.yoga, alt.meditation, alt.zen, alt.sufi, alt.yogananda Date: 2002-09-15 07:11:08 PST
commenting on wrong statements is out of my intentions - and a waste of time ! ---end---
If we are to follow this statement then we are to conclude that if Hans comments on something then it must be right. Because he said that commenting on wrong statements is out of his intentions and a waste of his time. But you see Hans commented on my statements again and again. Using basic commonsense and following his own (il)logic then that would mean that our statements are right.
The above words also connote that Hans will give no further comments. Why? Because it is out of his intentions to comment on statements which he view to be wrong, and besides he sees them as a total waste of time. But do you know the real reason why? Because he want to create this image of superiority, hence the extremely braggart, "commenting on wrong statements is out of my intentions - and a waste of time !" But LOOK BELOW, because after he posted the above message Hans' couldn't resist the ITCH to post MORE!
From: hans (h...@kriyayoga.com) Subject: Re: New edition - Biography of a Yogi Newsgroups: alt.yoga, alt.meditation, alt.zen, alt.sufi, alt.yogananda Date: 2002-09-17 20:57:18 PST
Dr. Daryl / Brother Brahman-Atmananda
there is no reason for me to further respond to any of your posts in THIS thread. it certainly got out of YOUR self control.
silence and meditation may be best.
hans ---end---
But it was Hans who was pushed out of his own self control by THIS thread, because after just one hour of posting the above message Hans REPLIED AGAIN, eating his own confident AFFIRMATION that he will not respond again.
From: Hans Neukomm (h...@kriyayoga.com) Subject: Re: New edition - Biography of a Yogi Newsgroups: alt.yoga, alt.meditation, alt.zen, alt.sufi, alt.yogananda Date: 2002-09-17 21:13:29 PST
the truth NEVER has to be proven - the truth IS - however the liar has to rectify his lies - sooner or later in an efficient and suitable method if ever he wants to end his cycle of reincarnation.
i can easily take FULL and eternal responsibility for all my publications ! ---end---
Now Hans, the sex-cult guru and mr. inconsistent par excellence, didn't only eat his own pompous promise twice, he is now saying that the truth NEVER has to be proven. But if you will just scroll a bit on this post you will see that Hans is DEMANDING PROOF (which I will of course address one by one). He even typed the word "proof" in uppercase letters. Hans' is the most SELF-CONTRADICTORY person I have ever known, and the most deceitful LIAR. Why? Simply because he has made it his profession to lie. Hans will not eat if he will not lie. He won't be able to afford young prostitutes if he will not lie.
> some may be new and have no experience and knowledge > about you and may > deserve FACTS - true facts and spiritual help > instead of insults and > gossip !
LOL I never gossip, Neukomm. All of my words are based on the information provided in your own website.
> in order to proof that you KNOW what you are writing > about, please > provide the following details within the shortest > possible time, and > since you authored the below email you should have
Brother Brahman-Atmananda wrote: > Please be informed that the so-called "Kriya Yoga" that Hans Neukomm > is teaching in his website doesn't even remotele resemble the Kriya > Yoga of Lahiri Mahasaya mentioned in Paramhansa Yogananda's > "Autobiography of a Yogi". Hans Neukomm is a con artist, a person who > doesn't want to work but is quite content surviving (rather > comfortably) from alms he regularly solicited from his unwitting > "disciples". This person have been in the Net for years, using his > counterfeit and imagination manufactured "diksha" page to cash-in on > the spiritual gullibility of the people. Mr. Neukomm's "love" is > coming from something REALLY SICK. This supposed FAMILY MAN (Mr. > Neukomm is married with two daughters as he himself stated years ago > in his pathetic website) is just doing nothing enjoying material sense > pleasure in the company of Filipina prostitutes. Now he has a new > racket (as if the old ones are not enough), he is inviting people to > the Philippines where there is presently a very tight security > situation brought about by the many bombings that are going on all > over the country including Manila. Hans Neukomm is willing to endanger > the lives of his "disciples" just for his childish game and material > sense pleasure.
> "Arroyo declared victory too soon. Since the beginning of October, the > nation has been shaken by four separate terrorist bombings, leaving 14 > people dead. Three of those attacks took place in the city of > Zamboanga--a comfortable 800 kilometers from the capital. But on Oct. > 18, a blast ripped through a public bus in Manila, killing two and > shattering the illusion that the security problem was confined to the > south. On Oct. 23, police arrested five members of Abu Sayyaf in the > Zamboanga attacks, but no one has yet been charged in the Manila > bombing. "This brings things a lot closer to home," says a > Manila-based Western diplomat."
> "The attacks make it that much harder for Arroyo to focus on the > Philippines' economic problems. Swept into office in January, 2001, > after President Joseph Estrada was ousted in a corruption scandal, > Arroyo promised to repair chronic budget deficits, relaunch government > privatization and infrastructure projects, and bring back fleeing > foreign investment. Bright, well-educated--the 55-year-old former > vice-president has a PhD in economics--and considered squeaky clean, > Arroyo presented a welcome change from Estrada, a womanizing former > movie heartthrob known for cronyism and lax management."
> "Instead, the President has been forced to devote her energies to > security. In the spring of 2001, Abu Sayyaf kidnapped an American > missionary couple and dozens of others. In November, a separatist > group on the southern island of Jolo launched an insurgency. Then the > U.S.--focusing on the Philippines as a suspected center of al > Qaeda-inspired terrorism--sent 1,000 troops to help track terrorists. > And now Arroyo must face the bombings."
> "While she battles the terrorist monsters, economic problems have > festered. Unemployment today stands at 11.2%, virtually unchanged from > her inauguration. Although Arroyo promised to fight poverty, 44% of > Filipinos still live on less than $2 a day--the same level as when she > took office. And she has failed to reverse a five-year slide in > foreign direct investment."
> "True, the economy is expected to grow 4% this year, thanks to a > strong rebound in exports of electronics. But that growth masks the > spreading rot underneath. More than 17% of loans by Filipino banks > were listed as nonperforming in August, up from 14.9% when Arroyo took > office. And by July, the fiscal deficit had exceeded Arroyo's target > for the entire year. Rampant tax evasion is part of the problem, but > critics say that tax receipts won't increase so long as graft pervades > everything from customs to motor vehicle registration. Corruption "is > incredibly widespread," says Edgardo J. Angara, leader of the > opposition Laban Ng Demokratikong Pilipino party. Jose Isidro N. > Camacho, Arroyo's Finance Secretary, counters that tax collection was > nearly on target in September, although he concedes there has been a > shortfall for most of the year. "We are continuously improving the > [tax] agency's performance," he says."
> "Plans for privatization have also bogged down. The proposed sales of > Philippine National Bank, Manila Electric Co., and the state monopoly > National Power Co. are all stalled. And even if the sales were to go > forward, buyers might be scarce. "In the wake of Bali and the local > bombings, who is going to want to buy them?" asks Robert Broadfoot, > managing director of Political & Economic Risk Consultancy Ltd. in > Hong Kong.
> One sector that's already suffering: tourism. The Makati Shangri-La > luxury hotel in Manila's business district has seen 450 cancellations > just in the last two weeks. "We've definitely lost a lot of bookings, > and it's directly linked to the bombings," says general manager > Richard W. Riley. Japan has warned its citizens to avoid bars, and > concerts by touring Western music groups have been cancelled."
> Note that Mr. Neukomm doesn't belong to any valid Kriya Yoga > sampradaya and is an absolute persona non grata in Kriya Yoga.
> EXCHANGE BETWEEN BRAHMAN-ATMANANDA AND NEUKOMM IN alt.yoga:
> Hans Neukomm <h...@kriyayoga.com> wrote in message > <news:3DA3C8CD.3090900@kriyayoga.com>... >> Dear Dr Daryl / Brother Brahman-Atmananda and to >> whom it may concern - >> including the poster HERE of the email circulating >> authored by Brother >> Brahman-Atmananda.
>> please be precise and limit your statements to FACTS >> that you have >> WITNESSED in person YOURSELF !
> We are PRECISE, Neukomm, A ZILLION TIMES MORE PRECISE THAN YOU. A fact > need NOT be witnessed in person for it to become a fact. For example > someone can know for a fact that you have eyes, ears, nose, mouth, > hands, feet and that you are a white guy. Even if he haven't > personally witnessed it. That is a FACT, isn't it? (Or are you going > to have one of your limbs amputated or have your skin dyed just to > disprove it?). That is why human beings are blessed with COMMONSENSE > (something that you obviously lack), as well as intuition. You're > CONCEPT of what is and what is not fact is VERY TWISTED, Hans. You're > an idiot.
>> while many know you here in this news group and know >> that you like to >> lie or CREATE lies and stories and insult for no >> obvious reason at all,
> Never, I never uttered a single lie, Hans. But you, you have proven > yourself to be a real liar. Here is one example:
> From: hans (h...@kriyayoga.com) > Subject: Re: New edition - Biography of a Yogi > Newsgroups: alt.yoga, alt.meditation, alt.zen, alt.sufi, alt.yogananda > Date: 2002-09-15 07:11:08 PST
> commenting on wrong statements is out of my intentions > - and a waste of time ! > ---end---
> If we are to follow this statement then we are to conclude that if > Hans comments on something then it must be right. Because he said that > commenting on wrong statements is out of his intentions and a waste of > his time. But you see Hans commented on my statements again and again. > Using basic commonsense and following his own (il)logic then that > would mean that our statements are right.
> The above words also connote that Hans will give no further comments. > Why? Because it is out of his intentions to comment on statements > which he view to be wrong, and besides he sees them as a total waste > of time. But do you know the real reason why? Because he want to > create this image of superiority, hence the extremely braggart, > "commenting on wrong statements is out of my intentions > - and a waste of time !" But LOOK BELOW, because after he posted the > above message Hans' couldn't resist the ITCH to post MORE!
> From: hans (h...@kriyayoga.com) > Subject: Re: New edition - Biography of a Yogi > Newsgroups: alt.yoga, alt.meditation, alt.zen, alt.sufi, alt.yogananda > Date: 2002-09-17 20:57:18 PST
> Dr. Daryl / Brother Brahman-Atmananda
> there is no reason for me to further respond to any of your posts in > THIS thread. it certainly got out of YOUR self control.
> silence and meditation may be best.
> hans > ---end---
> But it was Hans who was pushed out of his own self control by THIS > thread, because after just one hour of posting the above message Hans > REPLIED AGAIN, eating his own confident AFFIRMATION that he will not > respond again.
> From: Hans Neukomm (h...@kriyayoga.com) > Subject: Re: New edition - Biography of a Yogi > Newsgroups: alt.yoga, alt.meditation, alt.zen, alt.sufi, alt.yogananda > Date: 2002-09-17 21:13:29 PST
> the truth NEVER has to be proven - the truth IS - however the liar has > to rectify his lies - sooner or later in an efficient and suitable > method if ever he wants to end his cycle of reincarnation.
> i can easily take FULL and eternal responsibility for all my > publications ! > ---end---
> Now Hans, the sex-cult guru and mr. inconsistent par excellence, > didn't only eat his own pompous promise twice, he is now saying that > the truth NEVER has to be proven. But if you will just scroll a bit on > this post you will see that Hans
I read this whole thing. I suggest you find some other business to go into Hans. It appears like you are a liar and a fraud. I don't appreciate having to figure your ugly butt out either.
Mike Dubbeld
"Hans Neukomm" <h...@kriyayoga.com> wrote in message
> > Please be informed that the so-called "Kriya Yoga" that Hans Neukomm > > is teaching in his website doesn't even remotele resemble the Kriya > > Yoga of Lahiri Mahasaya mentioned in Paramhansa Yogananda's > > "Autobiography of a Yogi". Hans Neukomm is a con artist, a person who > > doesn't want to work but is quite content surviving (rather > > comfortably) from alms he regularly solicited from his unwitting > > "disciples". This person have been in the Net for years, using his > > counterfeit and imagination manufactured "diksha" page to cash-in on > > the spiritual gullibility of the people. Mr. Neukomm's "love" is > > coming from something REALLY SICK. This supposed FAMILY MAN (Mr. > > Neukomm is married with two daughters as he himself stated years ago > > in his pathetic website) is just doing nothing enjoying material sense > > pleasure in the company of Filipina prostitutes. Now he has a new > > racket (as if the old ones are not enough), he is inviting people to > > the Philippines where there is presently a very tight security > > situation brought about by the many bombings that are going on all > > over the country including Manila. Hans Neukomm is willing to endanger > > the lives of his "disciples" just for his childish game and material > > sense pleasure.
> > "Arroyo declared victory too soon. Since the beginning of October, the > > nation has been shaken by four separate terrorist bombings, leaving 14 > > people dead. Three of those attacks took place in the city of > > Zamboanga--a comfortable 800 kilometers from the capital. But on Oct. > > 18, a blast ripped through a public bus in Manila, killing two and > > shattering the illusion that the security problem was confined to the > > south. On Oct. 23, police arrested five members of Abu Sayyaf in the > > Zamboanga attacks, but no one has yet been charged in the Manila > > bombing. "This brings things a lot closer to home," says a > > Manila-based Western diplomat."
> > "The attacks make it that much harder for Arroyo to focus on the > > Philippines' economic problems. Swept into office in January, 2001, > > after President Joseph Estrada was ousted in a corruption scandal, > > Arroyo promised to repair chronic budget deficits, relaunch government > > privatization and infrastructure projects, and bring back fleeing > > foreign investment. Bright, well-educated--the 55-year-old former > > vice-president has a PhD in economics--and considered squeaky clean, > > Arroyo presented a welcome change from Estrada, a womanizing former > > movie heartthrob known for cronyism and lax management."
> > "Instead, the President has been forced to devote her energies to > > security. In the spring of 2001, Abu Sayyaf kidnapped an American > > missionary couple and dozens of others. In November, a separatist > > group on the southern island of Jolo launched an insurgency. Then the > > U.S.--focusing on the Philippines as a suspected center of al > > Qaeda-inspired terrorism--sent 1,000 troops to help track terrorists. > > And now Arroyo must face the bombings."
> > "While she battles the terrorist monsters, economic problems have > > festered. Unemployment today stands at 11.2%, virtually unchanged from > > her inauguration. Although Arroyo promised to fight poverty, 44% of > > Filipinos still live on less than $2 a day--the same level as when she > > took office. And she has failed to reverse a five-year slide in > > foreign direct investment."
> > "True, the economy is expected to grow 4% this year, thanks to a > > strong rebound in exports of electronics. But that growth masks the > > spreading rot underneath. More than 17% of loans by Filipino banks > > were listed as nonperforming in August, up from 14.9% when Arroyo took > > office. And by July, the fiscal deficit had exceeded Arroyo's target > > for the entire year. Rampant tax evasion is part of the problem, but > > critics say that tax receipts won't increase so long as graft pervades > > everything from customs to motor vehicle registration. Corruption "is > > incredibly widespread," says Edgardo J. Angara, leader of the > > opposition Laban Ng Demokratikong Pilipino party. Jose Isidro N. > > Camacho, Arroyo's Finance Secretary, counters that tax collection was > > nearly on target in September, although he concedes there has been a > > shortfall for most of the year. "We are continuously improving the > > [tax] agency's performance," he says."
> > "Plans for privatization have also bogged down. The proposed sales of > > Philippine National Bank, Manila Electric Co., and the state monopoly > > National Power Co. are all stalled. And even if the sales were to go > > forward, buyers might be scarce. "In the wake of Bali and the local > > bombings, who is going to want to buy them?" asks Robert Broadfoot, > > managing director of Political & Economic Risk Consultancy Ltd. in > > Hong Kong.
> > One sector that's already suffering: tourism. The Makati Shangri-La > > luxury hotel in Manila's business district has seen 450 cancellations > > just in the last two weeks. "We've definitely lost a lot of bookings, > > and it's directly linked to the bombings," says general manager > > Richard W. Riley. Japan has warned its citizens to avoid bars, and > > concerts by touring Western music groups have been cancelled."
> > Note that Mr. Neukomm doesn't belong to any valid Kriya Yoga > > sampradaya and is an absolute persona non grata in Kriya Yoga.
> > EXCHANGE BETWEEN BRAHMAN-ATMANANDA AND NEUKOMM IN alt.yoga:
> > Hans Neukomm <h...@kriyayoga.com> wrote in message > > <news:3DA3C8CD.3090900@kriyayoga.com>... > >> Dear Dr Daryl / Brother Brahman-Atmananda and to > >> whom it may concern - > >> including the poster HERE of the email circulating > >> authored by Brother > >> Brahman-Atmananda.
> >> please be precise and limit your statements to FACTS > >> that you have > >> WITNESSED in person YOURSELF !
> > We are PRECISE, Neukomm, A ZILLION TIMES MORE PRECISE THAN YOU. A fact > > need NOT be witnessed in person for it to become a fact. For example > > someone can know for a fact that you have eyes, ears, nose, mouth, > > hands, feet and that you are a white guy. Even if he haven't > > personally witnessed it. That is a FACT, isn't it? (Or are you going > > to have one of your limbs amputated or have your skin dyed just to > > disprove it?). That is why human beings are blessed with COMMONSENSE > > (something that you obviously lack), as well as intuition. You're > > CONCEPT of what is and what is not fact is VERY TWISTED, Hans. You're > > an idiot.
> >> while many know you here in this news group and know > >> that you like to > >> lie or CREATE lies and stories and insult for no > >> obvious reason at all,
> > Never, I never uttered a single lie, Hans. But you, you have proven > > yourself to be a real liar. Here is one example:
> > From: hans (h...@kriyayoga.com) > > Subject: Re: New edition - Biography of a Yogi > > Newsgroups: alt.yoga, alt.meditation, alt.zen, alt.sufi, alt.yogananda > > Date: 2002-09-15 07:11:08 PST
> > commenting on wrong statements is out of my intentions > > - and a waste of time ! > > ---end---
> > If we are to follow this statement then we are to conclude that if > > Hans comments on something then it must be right. Because he said that > > commenting on wrong statements is out of his intentions and a waste of > > his time. But you see Hans commented on my statements again and again. > > Using basic commonsense and following his own (il)logic then that > > would mean that our statements are right.
> > The above words also connote that Hans will give no further comments. > > Why? Because it is out of his intentions to comment on statements > > which he view to be wrong, and besides he sees them as a total waste > > of time. But do you know the real reason why? Because he want to > > create this image of superiority, hence the extremely braggart, > > "commenting on wrong statements is out of my intentions > > - and a waste of time !" But LOOK BELOW, because after he posted the > > above message Hans' couldn't resist the ITCH to post MORE!
> > From: hans (h...@kriyayoga.com) > > Subject: Re: New edition - Biography of a Yogi > > Newsgroups: alt.yoga, alt.meditation, alt.zen, alt.sufi, alt.yogananda > > Date: 2002-09-17 20:57:18 PST
> > Dr. Daryl / Brother Brahman-Atmananda
> > there is no reason for me to further respond to any of your posts in > > THIS thread. it certainly got out of YOUR self control.
> > silence and meditation may be best.
> > hans > > ---end---
> > But it was Hans who was pushed out of his own self control by THIS > > thread, because after just one hour of posting the above message Hans > > REPLIED AGAIN, eating his own confident AFFIRMATION that he will not > > respond again.
> > From: Hans Neukomm (h...@kriyayoga.com) > > Subject: Re: New edition -
He is thinking that his "I love you"s and "God bless you"s will work with everyone. He doesn't realize that it will only work with the spiritually naive. One of my students, Sis Nakanari, took time to browse upon his stupid website and told me this, "... his (Hans') 'love' is coming from something REALLY SICK ... Reading them (Hans' words) makes me wanna puke." And get this Mike, he claims to have experienced "*repeated* nirbikalpa samadhi" He doesn't even know that nirbikalpa is irrevocable God-union; something that happens only once and is PERMANENT. There is no such thing as "repeated nirbikalpa samadhi".
The bad thing with this con artist is he is inviting people to come to the Philippines and spend their Christmas there so that he can personally rip them off. Notwithstanding the present state of the place which is very, very dangerous:
"Arroyo declared victory too soon. Since the beginning of October, the nation has been shaken by FOUR SEPARATE TERRORIST BOMBINGS, leaving 14 people dead. Three of those attacks took place in the city of Zamboanga--a comfortable 800 kilometers from the capital. But on Oct. 18, a blast ripped through a public bus in Manila, killing two and shattering the illusion that the security problem was confined to the south. On Oct. 23, police arrested five members of Abu Sayyaf in the Zamboanga attacks, but no one has yet been charged in the Manila bombing. "This brings things a lot closer to home," says a Manila-based Western diplomat."
"The attacks make it that much harder for Arroyo to focus on the Philippines' economic problems. Swept into office in January, 2001, after President Joseph Estrada was ousted in a corruption scandal, Arroyo promised to repair chronic budget deficits, relaunch government privatization and infrastructure projects, and bring back fleeing foreign investment. Bright, well-educated--the 55-year-old former vice-president has a PhD in economics--and considered squeaky clean, Arroyo presented a welcome change from Estrada, a womanizing former movie heartthrob known for cronyism and lax management."
"Instead, the President has been forced to devote her energies to security. In the spring of 2001, Abu Sayyaf kidnapped an American missionary couple and dozens of others. In November, a separatist group on the southern island of Jolo launched an insurgency. Then the U.S.--focusing on the Philippines as a suspected center of AL QAEDA-INSPIRED TERRORISM--sent 1,000 troops to help track terrorists. And now Arroyo must face the bombings." - taken from http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_44/b3806149.htm
"Mike Dubbeld" <mi...@erols.com> wrote in message <news:aqnrbm$k17$1@bob.news.rcn.net>... > I read this whole thing. I suggest you find some other business to go > into > Hans. It appears like you are a liar and a fraud. I don't appreciate > having to > figure your ugly butt out either.
> > > Please be informed that the so-called "Kriya Yoga" that Hans Neukomm > > > is teaching in his website doesn't even remotele resemble the Kriya > > > Yoga of Lahiri Mahasaya mentioned in Paramhansa Yogananda's > > > "Autobiography of a Yogi". Hans Neukomm is a con artist, a person > who > > > doesn't want to work but is quite content surviving (rather > > > comfortably) from alms he regularly solicited from his unwitting > > > "disciples". This person have been in the Net for years, using his > > > counterfeit and imagination manufactured "diksha" page to cash-in on > > > the spiritual gullibility of the people. Mr. Neukomm's "love" is > > > coming from something REALLY SICK. This supposed FAMILY MAN (Mr. > > > Neukomm is married with two daughters as he himself stated years ago > > > in his pathetic website) is just doing nothing enjoying material > sense > > > pleasure in the company of Filipina prostitutes. Now he has a new > > > racket (as if the old ones are not enough), he is inviting people to > > > the Philippines where there is presently a very tight security > > > situation brought about by the many bombings that are going on all > > > over the country including Manila. Hans Neukomm is willing to > endanger > > > the lives of his "disciples" just for his childish game and material > > > sense pleasure.
> > > "Arroyo declared victory too soon. Since the beginning of October, > the > > > nation has been shaken by four separate terrorist bombings, leaving > 14 > > > people dead. Three of those attacks took place in the city of > > > Zamboanga--a comfortable 800 kilometers from the capital. But on > Oct. > > > 18, a blast ripped through a public bus in Manila, killing two and > > > shattering the illusion that the security problem was confined to > the > > > south. On Oct. 23, police arrested five members of Abu Sayyaf in the > > > Zamboanga attacks, but no one has yet been charged in the Manila > > > bombing. "This brings things a lot closer to home," says a > > > Manila-based Western diplomat."
> > > "The attacks make it that much harder for Arroyo to focus on the > > > Philippines' economic problems. Swept into office in January, 2001, > > > after President Joseph Estrada was ousted in a corruption scandal, > > > Arroyo promised to repair chronic budget deficits, relaunch > government > > > privatization and infrastructure projects, and bring back fleeing > > > foreign investment. Bright, well-educated--the 55-year-old former > > > vice-president has a PhD in economics--and considered squeaky clean, > > > Arroyo presented a welcome change from Estrada, a womanizing former > > > movie heartthrob known for cronyism and lax management."
> > > "Instead, the President has been forced to devote her energies to > > > security. In the spring of 2001, Abu Sayyaf kidnapped an American > > > missionary couple and dozens of others. In November, a separatist > > > group on the southern island of Jolo launched an insurgency. Then > the > > > U.S.--focusing on the Philippines as a suspected center of al > > > Qaeda-inspired terrorism--sent 1,000 troops to help track > terrorists. > > > And now Arroyo must face the bombings."
> > > "While she battles the terrorist monsters, economic problems have > > > festered. Unemployment today stands at 11.2%, virtually unchanged > from > > > her inauguration. Although Arroyo promised to fight poverty, 44% of > > > Filipinos still live on less than $2 a day--the same level as when > she > > > took office. And she has failed to reverse a five-year slide in > > > foreign direct investment."
> > > "True, the economy is expected to grow 4% this year, thanks to a > > > strong rebound in exports of electronics. But that growth masks the > > > spreading rot underneath. More than 17% of loans by Filipino banks > > > were listed as nonperforming in August, up from 14.9% when Arroyo > took > > > office. And by July, the fiscal deficit had exceeded Arroyo's target > > > for the entire year. Rampant tax evasion is part of the problem, but > > > critics say that tax receipts won't increase so long as graft > pervades > > > everything from customs to motor vehicle registration. Corruption > "is > > > incredibly widespread," says Edgardo J. Angara, leader of the > > > opposition Laban Ng Demokratikong Pilipino party. Jose Isidro N. > > > Camacho, Arroyo's Finance Secretary, counters that tax collection > was > > > nearly on target in September, although he concedes there has been a > > > shortfall for most of the year. "We are continuously improving the > > > [tax] agency's performance," he says."
> > > "Plans for privatization have also bogged down. The proposed sales > of > > > Philippine National Bank, Manila Electric Co., and the state > monopoly > > > National Power Co. are all stalled. And even if the sales were to go > > > forward, buyers might be scarce. "In the wake of Bali and the local > > > bombings, who is going to want to buy them?" asks Robert Broadfoot, > > > managing director of Political & Economic Risk Consultancy Ltd. in > > > Hong Kong.
> > > One sector that's already suffering: tourism. The Makati Shangri-La > > > luxury hotel in Manila's business district has seen 450 > cancellations > > > just in the last two weeks. "We've definitely lost a lot of > bookings, > > > and it's directly linked to the bombings," says general manager > > > Richard W. Riley. Japan has warned its citizens to avoid bars, and > > > concerts by touring Western music groups have been cancelled."
> > > Note that Mr. Neukomm doesn't belong to any valid Kriya Yoga > > > sampradaya and is an absolute persona non grata in Kriya Yoga.
> > > EXCHANGE BETWEEN BRAHMAN-ATMANANDA AND NEUKOMM IN alt.yoga:
> > > Hans Neukomm <h...@kriyayoga.com> wrote in message > > > <news:3DA3C8CD.3090900@kriyayoga.com>... > > >> Dear Dr Daryl / Brother Brahman-Atmananda and to > > >> whom it may concern - > > >> including the poster HERE of the email circulating > > >> authored by Brother > > >> Brahman-Atmananda.
> > >> please be precise and limit your statements to FACTS > > >> that you
by writing "... One of my students, Sis Nakanari, took time to browse upon his stupid website and told me this,..."
you at least indirectly admit that YOU have never taken the time to surf trough the web site - even though you commented in public about. like so many things you write about - most is from hearing saying and little from YOUR direct personal experience and knowledge - that's why you prefer to QUOTE/copy/past texts from others rather than writing from within your own knowledge / experiences.
days ago i ask to submit proof that you have knowledge about details of my diksha AND detailed knowledge of shibendu lahiri's diksha to allow a public comparison - you failed to submit such proof within reasonable time because you did NOT have such information and details at all available - you may be searching and find them eventually - but at the time you commented about - YOU had NO direct knowledge about the subject of your comments ! just as you did never surf my site completely or even beyond a very few form the many files.
Brother Brahman-Atmananda wrote: > He is thinking that his "I love you"s and "God bless you"s will work > with everyone. He doesn't realize that it will only work with the > spiritually naive. One of my students, Sis Nakanari, took time to > browse upon his stupid website and told me this, "... his (Hans') > 'love' is coming from something REALLY SICK ... Reading them (Hans' > words) makes me wanna puke." And get this Mike, he claims to have > experienced "*repeated* nirbikalpa samadhi" He doesn't even know that > nirbikalpa is irrevocable God-union; something that happens only once > and is PERMANENT. There is no such thing as "repeated nirbikalpa > samadhi".
> The bad thing with this con artist is he is inviting people to come to > the Philippines and spend their Christmas there so that he can > personally rip them off. Notwithstanding the present state of the > place which is very, very dangerous:
> "Arroyo declared victory too soon. Since the beginning of October, the > nation has been shaken by FOUR SEPARATE TERRORIST BOMBINGS, leaving 14 > people dead. Three of those attacks took place in the city of > Zamboanga--a comfortable 800 kilometers from the capital. But on Oct. > 18, a blast ripped through a public bus in Manila, killing two and > shattering the illusion that the security problem was confined to the > south. On Oct. 23, police arrested five members of Abu Sayyaf in the > Zamboanga attacks, but no one has yet been charged in the Manila > bombing. "This brings things a lot closer to home," says a > Manila-based Western diplomat."
> "The attacks make it that much harder for Arroyo to focus on the > Philippines' economic problems. Swept into office in January, 2001, > after President Joseph Estrada was ousted in a corruption scandal, > Arroyo promised to repair chronic budget deficits, relaunch government > privatization and infrastructure projects, and bring back fleeing > foreign investment. Bright, well-educated--the 55-year-old former > vice-president has a PhD in economics--and considered squeaky clean, > Arroyo presented a welcome change from Estrada, a womanizing former > movie heartthrob known for cronyism and lax management."
> "Instead, the President has been forced to devote her energies to > security. In the spring of 2001, Abu Sayyaf kidnapped an American > missionary couple and dozens of others. In November, a separatist > group on the southern island of Jolo launched an insurgency. Then the > U.S.--focusing on the Philippines as a > suspected center of AL QAEDA-INSPIRED TERRORISM--sent 1,000 troops to > help track terrorists. And now Arroyo must face the bombings." - taken > from http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_44/b3806149.htm
> "Mike Dubbeld" <mi...@erols.com> wrote in message > <news:aqnrbm$k17$1@bob.news.rcn.net>... >> I read this whole thing. I suggest you find some other business to go >> into >> Hans. It appears like you are a liar and a fraud. I don't appreciate >> having to >> figure your ugly butt out either.
>> > > Please be informed that the so-called "Kriya Yoga" that Hans Neukomm >> > > is teaching in his website doesn't even remotele resemble the Kriya >> > > Yoga of Lahiri Mahasaya mentioned in Paramhansa Yogananda's >> > > "Autobiography of a Yogi". Hans Neukomm is a con artist, a person >> who >> > > doesn't want to work but is quite content surviving (rather >> > > comfortably) from alms he regularly solicited from his unwitting >> > > "disciples". This person have been in the Net for years, using his >> > > counterfeit and imagination manufactured "diksha" page to cash-in on >> > > the spiritual gullibility of the people. Mr. Neukomm's "love" is >> > > coming from something REALLY SICK. This supposed FAMILY MAN (Mr. >> > > Neukomm is married with two daughters as he himself stated years ago >> > > in his pathetic website) is just doing nothing enjoying material >> sense >> > > pleasure in the company of Filipina prostitutes. Now he has a new >> > > racket (as if the old ones are not enough), he is inviting people to >> > > the Philippines where there is presently a very tight security >> > > situation brought about by the many bombings that are going on all >> > > over the country including Manila. Hans Neukomm is willing to >> endanger >> > > the lives of his "disciples" just for his childish game and material >> > > sense pleasure.
>> > > "Arroyo declared victory too soon. Since the beginning of October, >> the >> > > nation has been shaken by four separate terrorist bombings, leaving >> 14 >> > > people dead. Three of those attacks took place in the city of >> > > Zamboanga--a comfortable 800 kilometers from the capital. But on >> Oct. >> > > 18, a blast ripped through a public bus in Manila, killing two and >> > > shattering the illusion that the security problem was confined to >> the >> > > south. On Oct. 23, police arrested five members of Abu Sayyaf in the >> > > Zamboanga attacks, but no one has yet been charged in the Manila >> > > bombing. "This brings things a lot closer to home," says a >> > > Manila-based Western diplomat."
>> > > "The attacks make it that much harder for Arroyo to focus on the >> > > Philippines' economic problems. Swept into office in January, 2001, >> > > after President Joseph Estrada was ousted in a corruption scandal, >> > > Arroyo promised to repair chronic budget deficits, relaunch >> government >> > > privatization and infrastructure projects, and bring back fleeing >> > > foreign investment. Bright, well-educated--the 55-year-old former >> > > vice-president has a PhD in economics--and considered squeaky clean, >> > > Arroyo presented a welcome change from Estrada, a womanizing former >> > > movie heartthrob known for cronyism and lax management."
>> > > "Instead, the President has been forced to devote her energies to >> > > security. In the spring of 2001, Abu Sayyaf kidnapped an American >> > > missionary couple and dozens of others. In November, a separatist >> > > group on the southern island of Jolo launched an insurgency. Then >> the >> > > U.S.--focusing on the Philippines as a suspected center of al >> > > Qaeda-inspired terrorism--sent 1,000 troops to help track >> terrorists. >> > > And now Arroyo must face the bombings."
>> > > "While she battles the terrorist monsters, economic problems have >> > > festered. Unemployment today stands at 11.2%, virtually unchanged >> from >> > > her inauguration. Although Arroyo promised to fight poverty, 44% of >> > > Filipinos still live on less than $2 a day--the same level as when >> she >> > > took office. And she has failed to reverse a five-year slide in >> > > foreign direct investment."
>> > > "True, the economy is expected to grow 4% this year, thanks to a >> > > strong rebound in exports of electronics. But that growth masks the >> > > spreading rot underneath. More than 17% of loans by Filipino banks >> > > were listed as nonperforming in August, up from 14.9% when Arroyo >> took >> > > office. And by July, the fiscal deficit had exceeded Arroyo's target >> > > for the entire year. Rampant tax evasion is part of the problem, but >> > > critics say that tax receipts won't increase so long as graft >> pervades >> > > everything from customs to motor vehicle registration. Corruption >> "is >> > > incredibly widespread," says Edgardo J. Angara, leader of the >> > > opposition Laban Ng Demokratikong Pilipino party. Jose Isidro N. >> > > Camacho, Arroyo's Finance Secretary, counters that tax collection >> was >> > > nearly on target in September, although he concedes there has been a >> > > shortfall for most of the year. "We are continuously improving the >> > > [tax] agency's performance," he says."
> by writing "... One of my students, Sis Nakanari, took time to > browse upon his stupid website and told me this,..."
> you at least indirectly admit that YOU have never taken the time to surf > trough the web site - even though you commented in public about. like so many > things you write about - most is from hearing saying and little from YOUR > direct personal experience and knowledge - that's why you prefer to > QUOTE/copy/past texts from others rather than writing from within your own > knowledge / experiences.
Hans, are you a comedian? Where in the world are you getting this twisted reasonings and conclusions?
> days ago i ask to submit proof that you have knowledge about details of my > diksha AND detailed knowledge of shibendu lahiri's diksha to allow a public > comparison - you failed to submit such proof within reasonable time because
First of all wake-up and realize that you have no authority whatsoever to compel Brahman-Atmananda to submit anything to anybody. You are not even a Kriyaban and is regarded as an absolute persona non grata in that tradition. Second, Kriya Yoga is a sacred technique (about which you unfortunately know nothing), not something to be discussed in detail publicly:
"Because of certain ancient yogic injunctions, I cannot give a full explanation of Kriya Yoga in the pages of a book intended for the general public. The actual technique must be learned from a Kriyaban or Kriya Yogi; here a broad reference must suffice." - Paramhansa Yogananda (taken from chapter 26 of Autobiography of a Yogi, 1946 edition)
What you did in your website could have been totally against our tradition and very destructive to those unprepared ones who will experiment on them if indeed it was genuine Kriya Yoga; thank God it isn't.
> you did NOT have such information and details at all available - you may be
Of course I do; everyone know I do except the unitiated. There are generally four degrees in Kriya, Hans, and there are even higher ones but with very subtle modifications. These modifications aim to extend the ecstasy until one is able to realize and even go beyond that as to actualize oneness. What you have on your site is nothing but a very distorted version of first Kriya. The actual procedures are wrong, the sequence is wrong, and you even have the nerves to include all those silly modifications to your already counterfeit Kriya. The key technique that is Kriya Pranayam is absolutely unknown to you as is evident in your own instructions. Kechari have no instructions and is even spelled wrong (like your spelling of tail instead of tale in "fairy tale"). If you are even slightly familiar with Kechari (sometimes spelled khechari) then it is very easy to teach it even in electronic form. And that is only first or preschool Kriya. You should have preschool, elementary, secondary and college (graduate and post-grad are optional). Granting that one component of first Kriya, Kriya Pranayam, is comparable to reading, writing and math that one continues to utilize up to post-grad and though the rest of his life, still your so-called "Kriya" will not be relevant because it has everything wrong including Kriya Pranayam. Why did you jumped the gun? You should have waited until you got all the Kriyas and have done some comparative study with other Lineages (even going to India a couple of times could have helped instead of leaving your wife and two daughters to go to the Philippines and live a decadent life of sex with underage prostitutes and drugs) before coming out and posing as a guru. It is a very premature thing that you did and that will destroy you. You're like a boy who just received a new toy and went outside and show it off to other boys in the neighborhood before even finding out what it is. And so when all the other boys are gathered around him he opened the box and guess what ... it turned-out to be a Barbie doll!
> searching and find them eventually - but at the time you commented about - > YOU had NO direct knowledge about the subject of your comments !
Of course I do. Didn't you remember even when I was still in the Philippines through MSN I was already pressuring you to admit that you got them from Sri Shibendu Lahiri? But you were so stiff in your act (the act that you got them all straight from Lahiri Mahasaya. Tell that to the marines). I was in truth trying to save you from future shame (the one that is already beginning and would eventually drive you out of business once we're through with you). At that time you're not yet this corrupt and this sick. Are you familiar with Upanishads that got information jambled, reversed (such as the Sita Upanishad), or distorted? This was deliberately done to conceal its true message to the uninitiated. The reason why I asked you this is because I have a small clue that I wish to give you. A true master of Kriya is highly intuitive; he knows a potential traitor and vow-breaker the moment he sees him. Do you expect such a person to teach you the real thing? Such a one who knows very well that you'll eventually publish whatever you get from him in the Internet for everyone to see. You may be older chronologically (I will give you that since you take so much pride about it) but spiritually you're just a toddler.
> just as you > did never surf my site completely or even beyond a very few form the many > files.
Everyone who have been in your site knows that it offers nothing save long and winding essays leading to deeper and deeper nonsense, the sick ramblings of a self-evident psychopath cashing on the spiritual gullibility of the uninformed public.
> peace and love
Peace and love my arse, Neukomm. Such pretentious closings doesn't work with Brahman-Atmananda.
> > He is thinking that his "I love you"s and "God bless you"s will work > > with everyone. He doesn't realize that it will only work with the > > spiritually naive. One of my students, Sis Nakanari, took time to > > browse upon his stupid website and told me this, "... his (Hans') > > 'love' is coming from something REALLY SICK ... Reading them (Hans' > > words) makes me wanna puke." And get this Mike, he claims to have > > experienced "*repeated* nirbikalpa samadhi" He doesn't even know that > > nirbikalpa is irrevocable God-union; something that happens only once > > and is PERMANENT. There is no such thing as "repeated nirbikalpa > > samadhi".
> > The bad thing with this con artist is he is inviting people to come to > > the Philippines and spend their Christmas there so that he can > > personally rip them off. Notwithstanding the present state of the > > place which is very, very dangerous:
> > "Arroyo declared victory too soon. Since the beginning of October, the > > nation has been shaken by FOUR SEPARATE TERRORIST BOMBINGS, leaving 14 > > people dead. Three of those attacks took place in the city of > > Zamboanga--a comfortable 800 kilometers from the capital. But on Oct. > > 18, a blast ripped through a public bus in Manila, killing two and > > shattering the illusion that the security problem was confined to the > > south. On Oct. 23, police arrested five members of Abu Sayyaf in the > > Zamboanga attacks, but no one has yet been charged in the Manila > > bombing. "This brings things a lot closer to home," says a > > Manila-based Western diplomat."
> > "The attacks make it that much harder for Arroyo to focus on the > > Philippines' economic problems. Swept into office in January, 2001, > > after President Joseph Estrada was ousted in a corruption scandal, > > Arroyo promised to repair chronic budget deficits, relaunch government > > privatization and infrastructure projects, and bring back fleeing > > foreign investment. Bright, well-educated--the 55-year-old former > > vice-president has a PhD in economics--and considered squeaky clean, > > Arroyo presented a welcome change from Estrada, a womanizing former > > movie heartthrob known for cronyism and lax management."
> > "Instead, the President has been forced to devote her energies to > > security. In the spring of 2001, Abu Sayyaf kidnapped an American > > missionary couple and dozens of others. In November, a separatist > > group on the southern island of Jolo launched an insurgency. Then the > > U.S.--focusing on the Philippines as a > > suspected center of AL QAEDA-INSPIRED TERRORISM--sent 1,000 troops to > > help track terrorists. And now Arroyo must face the bombings." - taken > > from http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_44/b3806149.htm
> > "Mike Dubbeld" <mi...@erols.com> wrote in message > > <news:aqnrbm$k17$1@bob.news.rcn.net>... > >> I read this whole thing. I suggest you find some other business to go > >> into > >> Hans. It appears like you are a liar and a fraud. I don't appreciate > >> having to > >> figure your ugly butt out either.
> >> Mike Dubbeld
> >> "Hans Neukomm" <h...@kriyayoga.com> wrote in message > >> news:1750698.jOTjMkKeJn@gott.liebe.om... > >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> > Hash: SHA1
> >> > ;-)
> >> > needless to restart all over again.but funny to see how BBA gets back > here all > >> > the time ;-))
> >> > all follow up HERE below - out of alt.yoga !
2 recent attempts to receive an explanation via direct email have failed as you prefer zero response.
hence i ask you a last time here in this NG ...
would you have the kindness to explain your below post in very detail please ? !
- ------------------------------ your post
Mike Dubbeld wrote: > I read this whole thing. I suggest you find some other business to go > into > Hans. It appears like you are a liar and a fraud. I don't appreciate > having to > figure your ugly butt out either.
People who are sensible (i.e. not gullible idiots) will instantly come up with that exact same conclusion the minute they come across your website, Neukomm. Mike Dubbeld is not an ordinary practitioner but can be regarded--by the merits of his comments regarding the different concerns that arises within the context of yoga and mysticism in general discussed in this ng--as some sort of a scholar on the subject. Anyone with even the smallest bit of understanding about yoga (most specially Kriya Yoga) will know that you are bogus the moment they read your works. Below is an exchange between Neukomm and Brahman-Atmananda. Note that Neukomm attempted and failed to deny two things 1. That he claims to be a direct disciple of Lahiri Mahasaya, someone whom he never met, never knew. and never knew him; 2. That he claims to be teaching the original Kriya Yoga taught by Lahiri Mahasaya (the truth is that his so-called "Kriya Yoga" presented in his website doesn't even remotely resemble the Kriya Yoga of Lahiri Mahasaya, and that Hans Neukomm is a persona non grata in Kriya).
> Dear Dr Daryl / Brother Brahman-Atmananda
> in order to proof that you KNOW what you are writing > about, please > provide the following details within the shortest > possible time, and > since you authored the below email you should have > ALL facts instantly > available:
> 1. please give a direct link to MY diksha page to > PROOF that you at > least know the full content and details of diksha > given on my web site
> 2. please give a direct link to any or all chapters > where i "boldly > claim" (your words) in any PUBLIC chapter or > publication on my website > that Lahiri Mahasaya or any other great saint of > past centuries is my Guru.
HANS NEUKOMM'S FANTASIES: LIES AND DECEIT OF AN OUTRIGHT FRAUD EXPOSED
Neukomm wrote:
"after one of my initial nirbikalpa samadhi resulting in full god-union MY GURUDEVA LAHIRI MAHASAYA said "now god is your guru" at first I was sad for a few seconds or minutes, then I realized how much love his words contained. he considered myself as his disciple to be brought back to god while being on earth - then he gave me freedom in god to solve all and any further questions directly with god. hea realized that he accomplished his "mission" as my guru. he still remains my one of my closest and very best friend on earth since we have "travelled" for thousands of years through this planet and elsewhere."
"the initation to kriya yoga offered by the cyberspace ashram is the traditional technique as being taught by MY GURUDEVA LAHIRI MAHASAYA - with the exception of kechari mudra - the reason to exclude kechari mudra is explained on the initiation page and is a very valid and absolute reason." taken from his official website http://www.kriyayoga.com/faq/messages/5/5.html ---end--- Note: Lahiri Mahasaya did teach Kriya Yoga with Kechari, this very words of his offers another kind of proof (other than his claim of being a direct disciple of Lahiri Mahasaya), it proves his total ignorance of Lahiri Mahasaya and Kriya Yoga.
Neukomm wrote:
"I went trough a large number of earthy experiences first. later after my first nirbikalpa samadhi, I realized how loving this guru would have been toward myself. my soul was asking for the exactly same guru as before that's what I finally got, even my PREVIOUS GURU DIDN'T HAVE ANY MORE PHYSICAL BODY HE APPEARED TO ME AND CONTINUED TO BE MY GURU until I realized god-union." taken from his official website http://www.kriyayoga.com/english/answers/faq1a.htm
Neukomm described Lahiri's sickness and referred to him as "my gurudeva":
"MY GURUDEVA GOT FOR A FEW WEEKS A TUMOR it healed quickly and he was healthy again. with his short illness he dissolved most of the karma of hundreds of his disciples, making it much easier to them to achieve godunion." <---end---> the householder-incarnation of Lahiri Mahasaya was drawing to a close. During the summer of 1895 his stalwart body developed a small boil on the back. He protested against lancing; he was working out in his own flesh the evil karma of some of his disciples. Finally a few chelas became very insistent; the master replied cryptically: "'The body has to find a cause to go; I will be agreeable to whatever you want to do.' "A short time later the incomparable guru gave up his body in Benares. No longer need I seek him out in his little parlor; I find every day of my life blessed by his omnipresent guidance." Sri Yukteswar describing Lahiri Mahasaya's final days to Yogananda, from chapter 36 of Autobiography of a Yogi, 1946 edition <---end---> Now, Hans Neukomm will you still DENY your stupid claim of being a direct disciple of Lahiri Mahasaya? A person whom you never met, never knew and never knew you. And by the way I never said that you claim any great saint of past century to be your guru save Lahiri Mahasaya. You are being deceitful again, mr. sex-cult guru. You have been exposed and we will continually expose you. We are even building a page in our site specially for you, what an honor eh? Wait for it, okay?
> 3. please give a direct link to any or all pages > where i claim that the > kriya yoga technique offered BY ME ON MY WEB SITE is > the original FROM > LAHIRI MAHASAYA !
My pleasure. Here it is:
Hans Neukomm: "the initation to kriya yoga offered by the cyberspace ashram is the traditional technique as being taught by my gurudeva Lahiri Mahasaya." taken from his official website http://www.kriyayoga.com/faq/messages/5/5.html
> 2 recent attempts to receive an explanation via direct email have failed as > you prefer zero response.
> hence i ask you a last time here in this NG ...
> would you have the kindness to explain your below post in very detail please ? > !
> - ------------------------------ your post > Mike Dubbeld wrote:
> > I read this whole thing. I suggest you find some other business to go > > into > > Hans. It appears like you are a liar and a fraud. I don't appreciate > > having to > > figure your ugly butt out either.
drda...@yahoo.com (Brother Brahman-Atmananda) wrote in message <news:12053fad.0211250936.572c168a@posting.google.com>... > People who are sensible (i.e. not gullible idiots) will instantly come > up with that exact same conclusion the minute they come across your > website, Neukomm. Mike Dubbeld is not an ordinary practitioner but can > be regarded--by the merits of his comments regarding the different > concerns that arises within the context of yoga and mysticism in > general discussed in this ng--as some sort of a scholar on the
So the idiot Bramhan Atmananda is back with child like tactics of praising one and trying miserably to gather support for his own presence in the group,
fortunately for Mike, your comments are right for the first time
But mr. atmananda you are a horrible character with worst possible combination of bad qualities ! so however hard you try, you will never succeed
father_of_y...@yahoo.com (simple logic) wrote in message <news:29252448.0211252019.2df42bd1@posting.google.com>... > drda...@yahoo.com (Brother Brahman-Atmananda) wrote in message <news:12053fad.0211250936.572c168a@posting.google.com>... > > People who are sensible (i.e. not gullible idiots) will instantly come > > up with that exact same conclusion the minute they come across your > > website, Neukomm. Mike Dubbeld is not an ordinary practitioner but can > > be regarded--by the merits of his comments regarding the different > > concerns that arises within the context of yoga and mysticism in > > general discussed in this ng--as some sort of a scholar on the
> So the idiot Bramhan Atmananda
Who the heck is "Bramhan Atmananda", simple illogic?
> is back
What do you mean "is back"? I never left.
> with child like tactics of
It should be *childlike* and not "child like". And childlike is actually good. Jesus said: "Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 19:14
Perhaps you mean "childish".
> praising one and trying miserably to gather support for his own > presence in the group,
Didn't you see that Mr. Dubbeld have already made an INDEPENDENT analysis of Hans Neukomm. What "trying miserably to gather support" are you blabbering about, nonsense person? The story is already finished when I said my piece. Do yourself a favor and polish your act well before posting anything. Consult with your alter egos and try to come up with something that will at least stand (even if not so straight) for some time. If not then I would just continue on toying with your personality. Not that I enjoy it.
> fortunately for Mike, your comments are right for the first time
What comments? I never make comments. I only voice-out facts. And why say "fortunately for Mike"? What is unfortunate if, for example, what Brahman-Atmananda said was incorrect? Would you kindly tell us just who is the one responsible for perverting your mind like this, simple illogic? Is it your mother? Don't tell me its that Goddamned "guru" of yours again.
Dear bramhan atmananda I don't understand why you take all your efforts while replying when you know that you are an idiot with all the funny qualities... but surely I enjoy talking to you... I wish you will continue making all laugh at you
As if there's anything new about it. You don't understand anything, simple illogic.
> why you take all your efforts
What efforts? Stop flattering your ego, nonsense person. Replying your posts is a totally effortless endeavor.
> while replying when > you know that you are an idiot
Another glaring mistake, boy. An idiot doesn't know that he's an idiot. If he does then he's a moron or something worse. Why? Because despite being aware of it he isn't making any effort to better himself. Take your case for example. You are a severely mentally-challenged, uneducated, good-for-nothing cult follower. But you're totally clueless about it. See? Over and over again you make a total fool out of yourself and disgrace your guru and god by posting incoherent and vindictive messages.
> with all the funny qualities...
"funny qualities"? Nya ha ha ha ha ha har har har har! Do you even know what "quality" means? They just don't go together, boy. Can't you even get at least a *sane* coach at this?
> but surely I enjoy talking to you...
Of course you do, I've already taught you a lot. Now you must begin applying them. Stop waiting for your next incarnation, don't procrastinate. For all you know you will become worm on stool again like your previous one. Start changing for the better NOW. That's free coaching. I know it's excellent but don't bother to pay me, you won't be able to afford it anyway.:)
> I wish you will continue making all laugh at you
This "laughing at you" bit is my stuff again, father_of_yogurt! Be more original damn it! Can't you even come up with a post that doesn't include a line that you picked from Brahman-Atmananda? there is such a thing as intellectual property rights, you know. Seriously, I think there's loosed screw in your head. Wasn't it you who just popped-up in this newsgroup like a belligerent psychopath and declared your agenda of "exposing Brahman-Atmananda"? Wow! And now you're backing out. 1. You got yourself into this big mess; 2. Your hopeless psychoemotional handicap is being exposed over and over again; 3. Your cultic faith and personality is being dragged into the issue; 4. dissecting my post didn't work for you; 4. Deleting them and responding to totally different messages didn't work either. Now what? The little boy is crying and wants his Mama to clean the poopoo that he made. You can't back-out just like that. Now, lick your own poopoo clean and return to your self-imposed job of being my toy again!
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