> Veterans Affairs Office of the Inspector General.
> It appears honorable citizens are sick of fraud that is going on in > the Veterans disability claims process. When networks, VBN for > example, coach others how to cheat the system and deceive VA > examiners, real disabled veterans and the tax payer get cheated. The > VA investigators really need to take a hard look at that site and to > start monitoring it daily and go after those who cheated the system > and lied to obtain benefits.
> Those who tell others to look up the VA schedule of Disabilities, > write down the symptoms and put them on an index cue card, and take > that card to your doctor and tell him those are your symptoms. To keep > doing this and then use it as evidence to obtain 100% compensation > based on un employability! That is what they do all the time.
> If you question it, as Steam Jockey does you are told to keep your > mouth shut and that if you don't like the coaching to move somewhere > else and create your own board.
> The Veterans Benefit Network did not start out doing this but over the > last few years it has been dominated with teaching and coaching > veterans how to fake a disability, especially un employability, and to > receive more money.
> Teaching them to wear winter jackets in the hot of summer during the > medical examination, not to shave, not to shower, to fake tears and > make sure they write it down, coach them when to say it hurts, at what > stage, etc. This is the biggest disability cheat site on the Internet > for Veterans and Chairman of both the House and Senate Armed Services > Committee will be notified so that it will be monitored and V will > change her behavior whether she wants to or not.
> This is tax payer dollars that are being tossed down the drain. Money > that could be going to deserving disabled veterans, not scammers. One > guy even brags how he yelled at his boss intentionally to get fired, > so that he could use that as evidence to convince to obtain VA Un > employability benefits. He can post on VBN for hours every single day > but he wants 100% based on mental illness.
> Others who have been awarded 100% based on mental illness openly brag > about it and teach others how to get that rating and how easy it was. > If you question them that coaching is wrong you will be told to shut > up by the V twat waffle.
> Note the below requirement for the 100% ratings and decide for > yourself whether someone with those listed symptoms would be able to > post on the Internet every single day, moderate forums, etc? It > appears VBN is leading and largest online coaching network and scam > group ever created on the Internet.
> 9440, 100% > General Rating Formula for Mental Disorders: > Total occupational and social impairment, due to > such symptoms as: gross impairment in thought > processes or communication; persistent delusions > or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior; > persistent danger of hurting self or others; > intermittent inability to perform activities of > daily living (including maintenance of minimal > personal hygiene); disorientation to time or > place; memory loss for names of close relatives, > own occupation, or own name.......................
> What happened is the opened the door to a bunch of certified scammers > and nutcase's from another known coaching site called Hadit. When that > happened the head twat at VBN fired all the mods who did not coach > others and puts mods in that would turn a blind eye to coaching and > teaching veterans how to cheap to earn benefits. I used to be a > moderator on VBN.
> That is why it is called " Veterans Benefit Network". Although the > appropriate name would be, " Veterans Disability Coaching Network".
> We had a few fighters on there, true patriots like Steam Jockey and > Texas Glory, Addamapple, Floeey, and several others who tried hard to > put an end to this obvious coaching process but V twat didn't want to > offend the coachers so she ordered everyone to cease the call for > coaching to stop and that if anyone mentioned it again they would > banned. She knows that is the prime purpose for VBN, to coach people > to get VA Disability benefits whether they earned them or not.
> The lead twat waffle knows that if the coachers leave VBN no longer > exists because it is saturated with those who scammed the system and > whose sole purpose in life is to teach others how to obtain Veterans > Disability Benefits they did not earn.
> Veterans Affairs Office of the Inspector General.
> It appears honorable citizens are sick of fraud that is going on in > the Veterans disability claims process. When networks, VBN for > example, coach others how to cheat the system and deceive VA > examiners, real disabled veterans and the tax payer get cheated. The > VA investigators really need to take a hard look at that site and to > start monitoring it daily and go after those who cheated the system > and lied to obtain benefits.
> Those who tell others to look up the VA schedule of Disabilities, > write down the symptoms and put them on an index cue card, and take > that card to your doctor and tell him those are your symptoms. To keep > doing this and then use it as evidence to obtain 100% compensation > based on un employability! That is what they do all the time.
> If you question it, as Steam Jockey does you are told to keep your > mouth shut and that if you don't like the coaching to move somewhere > else and create your own board.
> The Veterans Benefit Network did not start out doing this but over the > last few years it has been dominated with teaching and coaching > veterans how to fake a disability, especially un employability, and to > receive more money.
> Teaching them to wear winter jackets in the hot of summer during the > medical examination, not to shave, not to shower, to fake tears and > make sure they write it down, coach them when to say it hurts, at what > stage, etc. This is the biggest disability cheat site on the Internet > for Veterans and Chairman of both the House and Senate Armed Services > Committee will be notified so that it will be monitored and V will > change her behavior whether she wants to or not.
> This is tax payer dollars that are being tossed down the drain. Money > that could be going to deserving disabled veterans, not scammers. One > guy even brags how he yelled at his boss intentionally to get fired, > so that he could use that as evidence to convince to obtain VA Un > employability benefits. He can post on VBN for hours every single day > but he wants 100% based on mental illness.
> Others who have been awarded 100% based on mental illness openly brag > about it and teach others how to get that rating and how easy it was. > If you question them that coaching is wrong you will be told to shut > up by the V twat waffle.
> Note the below requirement for the 100% ratings and decide for > yourself whether someone with those listed symptoms would be able to > post on the Internet every single day, moderate forums, etc? It > appears VBN is leading and largest online coaching network and scam > group ever created on the Internet.
> 9440, 100% > General Rating Formula for Mental Disorders: > Total occupational and social impairment, due to > such symptoms as: gross impairment in thought > processes or communication; persistent delusions > or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior; > persistent danger of hurting self or others; > intermittent inability to perform activities of > daily living (including maintenance of minimal > personal hygiene); disorientation to time or > place; memory loss for names of close relatives, > own occupation, or own name.......................
> What happened is the opened the door to a bunch of certified scammers > and nutcase's from another known coaching site called Hadit. When that > happened the head twat at VBN fired all the mods who did not coach > others and puts mods in that would turn a blind eye to coaching and > teaching veterans how to cheap to earn benefits. I used to be a > moderator on VBN.
> That is why it is called " Veterans Benefit Network". Although the > appropriate name would be, " Veterans Disability Coaching Network".
> We had a few fighters on there, true patriots like Steam Jockey and > Texas Glory, Addamapple, Floeey, and several others who tried hard to > put an end to this obvious coaching process but V twat didn't want to > offend the coachers so she ordered everyone to cease the call for > coaching to stop and that if anyone mentioned it again they would > banned. She knows that is the prime purpose for VBN, to coach people > to get VA Disability benefits whether they earned them or not.
> The lead twat waffle knows that if the coachers leave VBN no longer > exists because it is saturated with those who scammed the system and > whose sole purpose in life is to teach others how to obtain Veterans > Disability Benefits they did not earn.
Wow. V must really have your balls in a vice if you go on like this anytime someone mentions that site.
> What happens is VBN coaches other veterans how to scam the system. It > is down right WRONG. Going through my saved archive ( I saved messages > because when the scammers get caught they go back and edit the > messages as do V and the Moderators) This happens all the time when > they panic.
> VBN teaches and coaches encourages veterans tell the psychiatrist > words and phrases such as Horrific, Helpless, In fear for my life, and > so on. They tell them to put these comments on a cue card so they > won't forget to tell the examiner.
> Members are told to state that they don't like crowds, they avoid > potholes and trash on the road and they tend to jump when there is a > loud noise. One member who was taught this recently opened his winder > late at night and just started screaming until the neighbor called the > cops.
> He did this so he could get some more evidence needed in his VA Un > employability claim. VA has been pointed to Franks posts > and I hope they subpoena all VBN YUKO's logs and IP addresses to go > after those who coach and fake and exaggerate disability to obtain VA > Benefits.
> What is funny is most of those on VBN have never even been deployed > and admit it but they are trying to fake mental illness to get > compensation and have some damn good coaches who have been there and > done that.
> Networks like, " Veterans Benefit Network" are the type of coaching > networks that can ruin it for everyone else.
Now you're posting what to say to do it too, and to a much larger audience than VBN ever could. Good going ruining for the vets.
> Here is a typical "VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK" posting on how they coach > and teach people how to cheat the system. Please pass this on to all > your newgroups, Fraud hotlines, your Congressman, and to the President > so that we can end this type of fraud coaching that is an every day > occurance on VBN.
> Please notice the disclaimer VBN put on the bottom of this scam > teaching message as though that means anything. The VETERANS BENEFIT > NETWORK teaches veteran how to scam the system, tells them to write > down symptoms they do not have and give it to ther doctor to put in a > medical record just as they coach below. VBN teaches veterans to lie > and cheat with their disability claims.
> Please note the " example statement" they even provided. VBN is the > largest Veterans Disability scam network on the internet and has been > exposed as such.
> Tags : None > I believe we are our worst enemy by making it too easy to get our > claims denied. No one in the process is going to assume anything, but > the VA will decide the claim on "medical evidence" for the most part > (after service connection established of course). If you want to > ensure your claim has a much better chance to make it through on the > first pass, make the medical evidence undeniable by having your > physician say the right things in your medical record.
> To do that, start out by first taking a good hard and honest look at > what condition or illness you have that you feel should be compensated > in some way. Many others on this forum have indicated how to pass the > first hurdle of service connection so brush up on those posts because > I won't go into service connection here - I will assume you have it > along with a diagnosis. After you have taken that look at your > symptoms, pain and/or other debilitating conditions for a proposed > claim where you have a diagnosis, see how they apply to the Schedule > of Rating Disabilities (38 CFR Part 4 or "SRD"). The SRD has some very > specific language to classify your disability into a level of > incapacity. Often your disability will not fit into one specific level > but will have aspects primarily in one, but also present symptoms that > may be in higher levels than this one primary category. If you don't > understand the words being used, look them up in a medical dictionary > or Google them on the Internet. Once you understand the wording, > compose a written paragraph to provide to your VA Primary Care > Physician asking them if they can medically support placing a > statement in your record that you have composed THAT USES LANGUAGE > EXACTLY AS WRITTEN IN THE SRD to describe your condition for the > symptoms you have. Here is an example statement you might show your VA > Pyschologist or Primary Care Physician for PTSD that spans different > levels of the SRD:
> "The patient has demonstrated through documentation or observation > flattened effect, suicideal ideation, grossly inappropriate behavior, > memory loss, chronic sleep impairment, panic attacks of frequent > duration that result in a severe disability linked to stress caused in > service. This condition will make it very difficult or impossible for > this patient to obtain or maintain employment."
> Ask the doctor if they can medically support placing this statement in > your medical record - you are not asking them to lie, just asking them > if they can medically support placing in your medical record some of > the exact wording that can be found in the SRD (remember, the words > above are just an example and will probably not apply directly to your > PTSD claim if you have one). By knowing ahead of time which words need > to be placed in your medical records that are reflective of your > condition, and then having your physician place them there if they > agree, it makes it harder for a C&P examiner not to provide favorable > wording for your claim or a VA rater to not provide a rating closer to > the top end of the SRD words used and if nothing else will provide you > a case for a Benefit of the Doubt appeal defense if the final rating > provided is not what you feel is fair with the words you had medically > documented. Too many times I have seen BVA decisions I researched turn > adversely to the veteran because the wording in the SRD did not > "exactly" match medical opinion/comments from a physician even though > it appeared the physician comments were saying essentially the same > thing, just using different words. Make it hard for anyone to > misunderstand and you will get a rating that more fairly represents > your condition. Preparation for crafting the statement for your > physician is key. Your C&P examination is too late to do this. Often > the C&P examiner will only report what they find in the previous > medical record/claim file and make no attempt to provide their own > medical opinions. You should start on this immediately after getting a > diagnosis. Enlist the help of a VSO to help you with crafting the > statement you want to appear in your medical records.
> Another thing to do is search BVA decisions for the last year on other > BVA cases having the same diagnosis as yours to see the reasons any of > those appeals were denied. Make sure that those same situations are > not in your medical records, or if they are, make sure the statement > you are asking your doctor to provide, uses some additional wording > than what is indicated above to counteract any reason for denial you > found in those BVA cases if you can. Again, don't ask your physician > to lie, just ask them if they can medically support the statement you > have already written out for them and wish to have them include in > their care notes for the visit. If your physician does not want to > place those statements in their care notes, you can also go to a > private physician for a 2nd opinion with the statements you have > crafted to ask them if they can medically support putting them in > their medical notes for that visit if you truly feel the statements > you are asking them to support are true.
> Any research you do up front will be time well spent. You are your > best VSO. If you don't do it, complaining on how bad the system is > won't do anything for your complaint - be proactive.
> The above is not meant to provide you a way to scam the system - I > just believe you may need to make it harder to be misunderstood in > order to get fairness out of the VA system. Besides scammers already > know all of the above anyway if they are any good so I haven't > probably given them anything new anyway.
Thanks. Now I know how to cheat the VA and make you pay for me. Where do I enlist.
>>Now you're posting what to say to do it too, and to a much larger >>audience than VBN ever could. Good going ruining for the vets.
> Veterans and the Tax Payers have a right to know the truth and the > bigger the audience the better. I encourage everyone to warn other > newsgroups and tax payers of the coaching network so that they will be > aware how their tax dollars are being scammed and we can make changes > and fix the system so that newtorks like this are not able to hurt > those are really disabled and in need of earned benefits. Those who > can do a claim the honest way, and not cheap, or be provided examples > of what to say, as the scammers on THE VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK" have > done below and in hundreds of other postings.
> Scamming and Fraud must cease and desist!
> *******************
> Here is a typical "VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK" posting on how they coach > and teach people how to cheat the system. Please pass this on to all > your newgroups, Fraud hotlines, your Congressman, and to the President > so that we can end this type of fraud coaching that is an every day > occurance on VBN.
> Please notice the disclaimer VBN put on the bottom of this scam > teaching message as though that means anything. The VETERANS BENEFIT > NETWORK teaches veteran how to scam the system, tells them to write > down symptoms they do not have and give it to ther doctor to put in a > medical record just as they coach below. VBN teaches veterans to lie > and cheat with their disability claims.
> Please note the " example statement" they even provided. VBN is the > largest Veterans Disability scam network on the internet and has been > exposed as such.
> Tags : None > I believe we are our worst enemy by making it too easy to get our > claims denied. No one in the process is going to assume anything, but > the VA will decide the claim on "medical evidence" for the most part > (after service connection established of course). If you want to > ensure your claim has a much better chance to make it through on the > first pass, make the medical evidence undeniable by having your > physician say the right things in your medical record.
> To do that, start out by first taking a good hard and honest look at > what condition or illness you have that you feel should be compensated > in some way. Many others on this forum have indicated how to pass the > first hurdle of service connection so brush up on those posts because > I won't go into service connection here - I will assume you have it > along with a diagnosis. After you have taken that look at your > symptoms, pain and/or other debilitating conditions for a proposed > claim where you have a diagnosis, see how they apply to the Schedule > of Rating Disabilities (38 CFR Part 4 or "SRD"). The SRD has some very > specific language to classify your disability into a level of > incapacity. Often your disability will not fit into one specific level > but will have aspects primarily in one, but also present symptoms that > may be in higher levels than this one primary category. If you don't > understand the words being used, look them up in a medical dictionary > or Google them on the Internet. Once you understand the wording, > compose a written paragraph to provide to your VA Primary Care > Physician asking them if they can medically support placing a > statement in your record that you have composed THAT USES LANGUAGE > EXACTLY AS WRITTEN IN THE SRD to describe your condition for the > symptoms you have. Here is an example statement you might show your VA > Pyschologist or Primary Care Physician for PTSD that spans different > levels of the SRD:
> "The patient has demonstrated through documentation or observation > flattened effect, suicideal ideation, grossly inappropriate behavior, > memory loss, chronic sleep impairment, panic attacks of frequent > duration that result in a severe disability linked to stress caused in > service. This condition will make it very difficult or impossible for > this patient to obtain or maintain employment."
> Ask the doctor if they can medically support placing this statement in > your medical record - you are not asking them to lie, just asking them > if they can medically support placing in your medical record some of > the exact wording that can be found in the SRD (remember, the words > above are just an example and will probably not apply directly to your > PTSD claim if you have one). By knowing ahead of time which words need > to be placed in your medical records that are reflective of your > condition, and then having your physician place them there if they > agree, it makes it harder for a C&P examiner not to provide favorable > wording for your claim or a VA rater to not provide a rating closer to > the top end of the SRD words used and if nothing else will provide you > a case for a Benefit of the Doubt appeal defense if the final rating > provided is not what you feel is fair with the words you had medically > documented. Too many times I have seen BVA decisions I researched turn > adversely to the veteran because the wording in the SRD did not > "exactly" match medical opinion/comments from a physician even though > it appeared the physician comments were saying essentially the same > thing, just using different words. Make it hard for anyone to > misunderstand and you will get a rating that more fairly represents > your condition. Preparation for crafting the statement for your > physician is key. Your C&P examination is too late to do this. Often > the C&P examiner will only report what they find in the previous > medical record/claim file and make no attempt to provide their own > medical opinions. You should start on this immediately after getting a > diagnosis. Enlist the help of a VSO to help you with crafting the > statement you want to appear in your medical records.
> Another thing to do is search BVA decisions for the last year on other > BVA cases having the same diagnosis as yours to see the reasons any of > those appeals were denied. Make sure that those same situations are > not in your medical records, or if they are, make sure the statement > you are asking your doctor to provide, uses some additional wording > than what is indicated above to counteract any reason for denial you > found in those BVA cases if you can. Again, don't ask your physician > to lie, just ask them if they can medically support the statement you > have already written out for them and wish to have them include in > their care notes for the visit. If your physician does not want to > place those statements in their care notes, you can also go to a > private physician for a 2nd opinion with the statements you have > crafted to ask them if they can medically support putting them in > their medical notes for that visit if you truly feel the statements > you are asking them to support are true.
> Any research you do up front will be time well spent. You are your > best VSO. If you don't do it, complaining on how bad the system is > won't do anything for your complaint - be proactive.
> The above is not meant to provide you a way to scam the system - I > just believe you may need to make it harder to be misunderstood in > order to get fairness out of the VA system. Besides scammers already > know all of the above anyway if they are any good so I haven't > probably given them anything new anyway.
Oh thanks. Now I know what to do so I don't have to work. Where do I enlist?
> It is a shame the VETERANS BENEFITS NETWORK coaches veterans to cheat > the disability system and defraud tax payers in the manner that goes > on there all the time. When anyone complains about all this coaching > the head " V" has a hissy fit and tells them to shut up and if they > don't like the coaching go some place else.
> For those of you who don't want your tax dollars wasted during these > tough economic times and/or want deserving disabled veterans to be the > ones who obtain benefits, please contact your Congressman and the > Department of Veterans Affairs to warn them what is going on at the > VETERANS BENEFITS NETWORK so that they can keep an eye on things > there. Where that network gets off coaching veterans to cheat in the > disability process is troubling and warrants attention.
> Informing someone about disability benefits is one thing but to teach > and coach veterans how to lie, cheat and deceive C&P examiners to > obtain benefits they did not earn is outragous behavior and that is > the type of network that VBN has turned into over the last few years.
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:36:33 -0500, "a...@anon.dontreply.com" > <a...@anon.dontreply.com> wrote:
>>Here is a typical "VETERANS BENEFIT NETWORK" posting on how they coach >>and teach people how to cheat the system. Please pass this on to all >>your newgroups, Fraud hotlines, your Congressman, and to the President >>so that we can end this type of fraud coaching that is an every day >>occurance on VBN.
>>Please notice the disclaimer VBN put on the bottom of this scam >>teaching message as though that means anything. The VETERANS BENEFIT >>NETWORK teaches veteran how to scam the system, tells them to write >>down symptoms they do not have and give it to ther doctor to put in a >>medical record just as they coach below. VBN teaches veterans to lie >>and cheat with their disability claims.
>>Please note the " example statement" they even provided. VBN is the >>largest Veterans Disability scam network on the internet and has been >>exposed as such.
>>Tags : None >>I believe we are our worst enemy by making it too easy to get our >>claims denied. No one in the process is going to assume anything, but >>the VA will decide the claim on "medical evidence" for the most part >>(after service connection established of course). If you want to >>ensure your claim has a much better chance to make it through on the >>first pass, make the medical evidence undeniable by having your >>physician say the right things in your medical record.
>>To do that, start out by first taking a good hard and honest look at >>what condition or illness you have that you feel should be compensated >>in some way. Many others on this forum have indicated how to pass the >>first hurdle of service connection so brush up on those posts because >>I won't go into service connection here - I will assume you have it >>along with a diagnosis. After you have taken that look at your >>symptoms, pain and/or other debilitating conditions for a proposed >>claim where you have a diagnosis, see how they apply to the Schedule >>of Rating Disabilities (38 CFR Part 4 or "SRD"). The SRD has some very >>specific language to classify your disability into a level of >>incapacity. Often your disability will not fit into one specific level >>but will have aspects primarily in one, but also present symptoms that >>may be in higher levels than this one primary category. If you don't >>understand the words being used, look them up in a medical dictionary >>or Google them on the Internet. Once you understand the wording, >>compose a written paragraph to provide to your VA Primary Care >>Physician asking them if they can medically support placing a >>statement in your record that you have composed THAT USES LANGUAGE >>EXACTLY AS WRITTEN IN THE SRD to describe your condition for the >>symptoms you have. Here is an example statement you might show your VA >>Pyschologist or Primary Care Physician for PTSD that spans different >>levels of the SRD:
>>"The patient has demonstrated through documentation or observation >>flattened effect, suicideal ideation, grossly inappropriate behavior, >>memory loss, chronic sleep impairment, panic attacks of frequent >>duration that result in a severe disability linked to stress caused in >>service. This condition will make it very difficult or impossible for >>this patient to obtain or maintain employment."
>>Ask the doctor if they can medically support placing this statement in >>your medical record - you are not asking them to lie, just asking them >>if they can medically support placing in your medical record some of >>the exact wording that can be found in the SRD (remember, the words >>above are just an example and will probably not apply directly to your >>PTSD claim if you have one). By knowing ahead of time which words need >>to be placed in your medical records that are reflective of your >>condition, and then having your physician place them there if they >>agree, it makes it harder for a C&P examiner not to provide favorable >>wording for your claim or a VA rater to not provide a rating closer to >>the top end of the SRD words used and if nothing else will provide you >>a case for a Benefit of the Doubt appeal defense if the final rating >>provided is not what you feel is fair with the words you had medically >>documented. Too many times I have seen BVA decisions I researched turn >>adversely to the veteran because the wording in the SRD did not >>"exactly" match medical opinion/comments from a physician even though >>it appeared the physician comments were saying essentially the same >>thing, just using different words. Make it hard for anyone to >>misunderstand and you will get a rating that more fairly represents >>your condition. Preparation for crafting the statement for your >>physician is key. Your C&P examination is too late to do this. Often >>the C&P examiner will only report what they find in the previous >>medical record/claim file and make no attempt to provide their own >>medical opinions. You should start on this immediately after getting a >>diagnosis. Enlist the help of a VSO to help you with crafting the >>statement you want to appear in your medical records.
>>Another thing to do is search BVA decisions for the last year on other >>BVA cases having the same diagnosis as yours to see the reasons any of >>those appeals were denied. Make sure that those same situations are >>not in your medical records, or if they are, make sure the statement >>you are asking your doctor to provide, uses some additional wording >>than what is indicated above to counteract any reason for denial you >>found in those BVA cases if you can. Again, don't ask your physician >>to lie, just ask them if they can medically support the statement you >>have already written out for them and wish to have them include in >>their care notes for the visit. If your physician does not want to >>place those statements in their care notes, you can also go to a >>private physician for a 2nd opinion with the statements you have >>crafted to ask them if they can medically support putting them in >>their medical notes for that visit if you truly feel the statements >>you are asking them to support are true.
>>Any research you do up front will be time well spent. You are your >>best VSO. If you don't do it, complaining on how bad the system is >>won't do anything for your complaint - be proactive.
>>The above is not meant to provide you a way to scam the system - I >>just believe you may need to make it harder to be misunderstood in >>order to get fairness out of the VA system. Besides scammers already >>know all of the above anyway if they are any good so I haven't >>probably given them anything new anyway.
slunky wrote: > _/ a...@anon.dontreply.com <a...@anon.dontreply.com> wrote \_ >>> Who's VAOIG? >> Veterans Affairs Office of the Inspector General.
>> It appears honorable citizens are sick of fraud that is going on in >> the Veterans disability claims process. When networks, VBN for >> example, coach others how to cheat the system and deceive VA >> examiners, real disabled veterans and the tax payer get cheated. The >> VA investigators really need to take a hard look at that site and to >> start monitoring it daily and go after those who cheated the system >> and lied to obtain benefits.
>> Those who tell others to look up the VA schedule of Disabilities, >> write down the symptoms and put them on an index cue card, and take >> that card to your doctor and tell him those are your symptoms. To keep >> doing this and then use it as evidence to obtain 100% compensation >> based on un employability! That is what they do all the time.
>> If you question it, as Steam Jockey does you are told to keep your >> mouth shut and that if you don't like the coaching to move somewhere >> else and create your own board.
>> The Veterans Benefit Network did not start out doing this but over the >> last few years it has been dominated with teaching and coaching >> veterans how to fake a disability, especially un employability, and to >> receive more money.
>> Teaching them to wear winter jackets in the hot of summer during the >> medical examination, not to shave, not to shower, to fake tears and >> make sure they write it down, coach them when to say it hurts, at what >> stage, etc. This is the biggest disability cheat site on the Internet >> for Veterans and Chairman of both the House and Senate Armed Services >> Committee will be notified so that it will be monitored and V will >> change her behavior whether she wants to or not.
>> This is tax payer dollars that are being tossed down the drain. Money >> that could be going to deserving disabled veterans, not scammers. One >> guy even brags how he yelled at his boss intentionally to get fired, >> so that he could use that as evidence to convince to obtain VA Un >> employability benefits. He can post on VBN for hours every single day >> but he wants 100% based on mental illness.
>> Others who have been awarded 100% based on mental illness openly brag >> about it and teach others how to get that rating and how easy it was. >> If you question them that coaching is wrong you will be told to shut >> up by the V twat waffle.
>> Note the below requirement for the 100% ratings and decide for >> yourself whether someone with those listed symptoms would be able to >> post on the Internet every single day, moderate forums, etc? It >> appears VBN is leading and largest online coaching network and scam >> group ever created on the Internet.
>> 9440, 100% >> General Rating Formula for Mental Disorders: >> Total occupational and social impairment, due to >> such symptoms as: gross impairment in thought >> processes or communication; persistent delusions >> or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior; >> persistent danger of hurting self or others; >> intermittent inability to perform activities of >> daily living (including maintenance of minimal >> personal hygiene); disorientation to time or >> place; memory loss for names of close relatives, >> own occupation, or own name.......................
>> What happened is the opened the door to a bunch of certified scammers >> and nutcase's from another known coaching site called Hadit. When that >> happened the head twat at VBN fired all the mods who did not coach >> others and puts mods in that would turn a blind eye to coaching and >> teaching veterans how to cheap to earn benefits. I used to be a >> moderator on VBN.
>> That is why it is called " Veterans Benefit Network". Although the >> appropriate name would be, " Veterans Disability Coaching Network".
>> We had a few fighters on there, true patriots like Steam Jockey and >> Texas Glory, Addamapple, Floeey, and several others who tried hard to >> put an end to this obvious coaching process but V twat didn't want to >> offend the coachers so she ordered everyone to cease the call for >> coaching to stop and that if anyone mentioned it again they would >> banned. She knows that is the prime purpose for VBN, to coach people >> to get VA Disability benefits whether they earned them or not.
>> The lead twat waffle knows that if the coachers leave VBN no longer >> exists because it is saturated with those who scammed the system and >> whose sole purpose in life is to teach others how to obtain Veterans >> Disability Benefits they did not earn.
> Wow. V must really have your balls in a vice if you go on like this > anytime someone mentions that site.
I saw something about "twats" then a whole pile of world salad.
Whatever.
So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks (a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and their quirky editing would be too tough)
Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
slunky wrote: > _/ a...@anon.dontreply.com <a...@anon.dontreply.com> wrote \_ >> What happens is VBN coaches other veterans how to scam the system. It >> is down right WRONG. Going through my saved archive ( I saved messages >> because when the scammers get caught they go back and edit the >> messages as do V and the Moderators) This happens all the time when >> they panic.
>> VBN teaches and coaches encourages veterans tell the psychiatrist >> words and phrases such as Horrific, Helpless, In fear for my life, and >> so on. They tell them to put these comments on a cue card so they >> won't forget to tell the examiner.
>> Members are told to state that they don't like crowds, they avoid >> potholes and trash on the road and they tend to jump when there is a >> loud noise. One member who was taught this recently opened his winder >> late at night and just started screaming until the neighbor called the >> cops.
>> He did this so he could get some more evidence needed in his VA Un >> employability claim. VA has been pointed to Franks posts >> and I hope they subpoena all VBN YUKO's logs and IP addresses to go >> after those who coach and fake and exaggerate disability to obtain VA >> Benefits.
>> What is funny is most of those on VBN have never even been deployed >> and admit it but they are trying to fake mental illness to get >> compensation and have some damn good coaches who have been there and >> done that.
>> Networks like, " Veterans Benefit Network" are the type of coaching >> networks that can ruin it for everyone else.
> Now you're posting what to say to do it too, and to a much larger > audience than VBN ever could. Good going ruining for the vets.
a...@anon.dontreply.com wrote: > What happens is VBN coaches other veterans how to scam the system. It > is down right WRONG. Going through my saved archive ( I saved messages > because when the scammers get caught they go back and edit the > messages as do V and the Moderators) This happens all the time when > they panic.
> VBN teaches and coaches encourages veterans tell the psychiatrist > words and phrases such as Horrific, Helpless, In fear for my life, and > so on. They tell them to put these comments on a cue card so they > won't forget to tell the examiner.
> Members are told to state that they don't like crowds, they avoid > potholes and trash on the road and they tend to jump when there is a > loud noise. One member who was taught this recently opened his winder > late at night and just started screaming until the neighbor called the > cops.
> He did this so he could get some more evidence needed in his VA Un > employability claim. VA has been pointed to Franks posts > and I hope they subpoena all VBN YUKO's logs and IP addresses to go > after those who coach and fake and exaggerate disability to obtain VA > Benefits.
> What is funny is most of those on VBN have never even been deployed > and admit it but they are trying to fake mental illness to get > compensation and have some damn good coaches who have been there and > done that.
> Networks like, " Veterans Benefit Network" are the type of coaching > networks that can ruin it for everyone else.
What happened to the "twat" thing?
I'm starting to get confused about this whole deal. <sigh>
> I saw something about "twats" then a whole pile of world salad.
> Whatever.
> So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
> I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks > (a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message > each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc > and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and > their quirky editing would be too tough)
> Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this > stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
Do you just need the CMS or do you need a host too?
If you want an all provided package, http://www.spruz.com/ is the way to go. They'll set it up, host it, live chat support for the site and the platform, all that.
If you're just looking for the platform to run it all on, look at a couple of these:
Jester's mummy wrote: > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:14:31 -0400, Hoots <ratty_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> <(((*>So, Slunky since you're here I have a question. >> <(((*> >> <(((*>I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks >> <(((*>(a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message >> <(((*>each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc >> <(((*>and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and >> <(((*>their quirky editing would be too tough) >> <(((*> >> <(((*>Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this >> <(((*>stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
> I'm not Slunky, but I had a similar problem, needed to set something up for a > work-related group.
> Created a discussion forum with phpbb. It's open source and free.
71STINFAN...@anon.dontreply.com wrote: > I admit there is a lot of coaching going on, but what is wrong with > teaching veterans how to cheat on disability pay from the VA? > Civilians cheat all the time so what is the big deal anyway?
> I think others are jealous that V set up the first successful VA > disability coaching network at VBN. So you ought to mind you business. > I support V and her endeavor. It took her nearly two years to turn VBN > into a coaching network and she had to fire most of the previous > moderators because they wouldn't go along with it.
> 71ST
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:07:20 -0400, Jester's mummy <coc...@nest.egg> > wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:14:31 -0400, Hoots <ratty_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> <(((*>So, Slunky since you're here I have a question. >>> <(((*> >>> <(((*>I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks >>> <(((*>(a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message >>> <(((*>each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc >>> <(((*>and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and >>> <(((*>their quirky editing would be too tough) >>> <(((*> >>> <(((*>Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this >>> <(((*>stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now. >> I'm not Slunky, but I had a similar problem, needed to set something up for a >> work-related group.
>> Created a discussion forum with phpbb. It's open source and free.
>> The only thing that I needed was a server where I could host the thing, and that >> was provided by my employers.
>> If you want to message me backchannel about my experiences with forum >> administration, it's tjmb (at) videotron.ca.
>> Tara J. Ballance >> Montreal, Canada
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:14:31 -0400, Hoots <ratty_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> slunky wrote: >>> _/ a...@anon.dontreply.com <a...@anon.dontreply.com> wrote \_ >>>>> Who's VAOIG? >>>> Veterans Affairs Office of the Inspector General.
>>>> It appears honorable citizens are sick of fraud that is going on in >>>> the Veterans disability claims process. When networks, VBN for >>>> example, coach others how to cheat the system and deceive VA >>>> examiners, real disabled veterans and the tax payer get cheated. The >>>> VA investigators really need to take a hard look at that site and to >>>> start monitoring it daily and go after those who cheated the system >>>> and lied to obtain benefits.
>>>> Those who tell others to look up the VA schedule of Disabilities, >>>> write down the symptoms and put them on an index cue card, and take >>>> that card to your doctor and tell him those are your symptoms. To keep >>>> doing this and then use it as evidence to obtain 100% compensation >>>> based on un employability! That is what they do all the time.
>>>> If you question it, as Steam Jockey does you are told to keep your >>>> mouth shut and that if you don't like the coaching to move somewhere >>>> else and create your own board.
>>>> The Veterans Benefit Network did not start out doing this but over the >>>> last few years it has been dominated with teaching and coaching >>>> veterans how to fake a disability, especially un employability, and to >>>> receive more money.
>>>> Teaching them to wear winter jackets in the hot of summer during the >>>> medical examination, not to shave, not to shower, to fake tears and >>>> make sure they write it down, coach them when to say it hurts, at what >>>> stage, etc. This is the biggest disability cheat site on the Internet >>>> for Veterans and Chairman of both the House and Senate Armed Services >>>> Committee will be notified so that it will be monitored and V will >>>> change her behavior whether she wants to or not.
>>>> This is tax payer dollars that are being tossed down the drain. Money >>>> that could be going to deserving disabled veterans, not scammers. One >>>> guy even brags how he yelled at his boss intentionally to get fired, >>>> so that he could use that as evidence to convince to obtain VA Un >>>> employability benefits. He can post on VBN for hours every single day >>>> but he wants 100% based on mental illness.
>>>> Others who have been awarded 100% based on mental illness openly brag >>>> about it and teach others how to get that rating and how easy it was. >>>> If you question them that coaching is wrong you will be told to shut >>>> up by the V twat waffle.
>>>> Note the below requirement for the 100% ratings and decide for >>>> yourself whether someone with those listed symptoms would be able to >>>> post on the Internet every single day, moderate forums, etc? It >>>> appears VBN is leading and largest online coaching network and scam >>>> group ever created on the Internet.
>>>> 9440, 100% >>>> General Rating Formula for Mental Disorders: >>>> Total occupational and social impairment, due to >>>> such symptoms as: gross impairment in thought >>>> processes or communication; persistent delusions >>>> or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior; >>>> persistent danger of hurting self or others; >>>> intermittent inability to perform activities of >>>> daily living (including maintenance of minimal >>>> personal hygiene); disorientation to time or >>>> place; memory loss for names of close relatives, >>>> own occupation, or own name.......................
>>>> What happened is the opened the door to a bunch of certified scammers >>>> and nutcase's from another known coaching site called Hadit. When that >>>> happened the head twat at VBN fired all the mods who did not coach >>>> others and puts mods in that would turn a blind eye to coaching and >>>> teaching veterans how to cheap to earn benefits. I used to be a >>>> moderator on VBN.
>>>> That is why it is called " Veterans Benefit Network". Although the >>>> appropriate name would be, " Veterans Disability Coaching Network".
>>>> We had a few fighters on there, true patriots like Steam Jockey and >>>> Texas Glory, Addamapple, Floeey, and several others who tried hard to >>>> put an end to this obvious coaching process but V twat didn't want to >>>> offend the coachers so she ordered everyone to cease the call for >>>> coaching to stop and that if anyone mentioned it again they would >>>> banned. She knows that is the prime purpose for VBN, to coach people >>>> to get VA Disability benefits whether they earned them or not.
>>>> The lead twat waffle knows that if the coachers leave VBN no longer >>>> exists because it is saturated with those who scammed the system and >>>> whose sole purpose in life is to teach others how to obtain Veterans >>>> Disability Benefits they did not earn. >>> Wow. V must really have your balls in a vice if you go on like this >>> anytime someone mentions that site.
>> I saw something about "twats" then a whole pile of world salad.
>> Whatever.
>> So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
>> I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks >> (a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message >> each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc >> and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and >> their quirky editing would be too tough)
>> Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this >> stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
slunky wrote: > _/ Hoots <ratty_...@yahoo.com> wrote \_ >> slunky wrote: >>> Now you're posting what to say to do it too, and to a much larger >>> audience than VBN ever could. Good going ruining for the vets. >> VBN??
>> Very Big Nipples?!!
>> Yay!
> They need coaching to be like that.
We're gonna hit em hard, we're gonna hit em often...
slunky wrote: > _/ Hoots <ratty_...@yahoo.com> wrote \_ >> I saw something about "twats" then a whole pile of world salad.
>> Whatever.
>> So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
>> I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks >> (a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message >> each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc >> and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and >> their quirky editing would be too tough)
>> Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this >> stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
> Do you just need the CMS or do you need a host too?
> If you want an all provided package, http://www.spruz.com/ is the way to > go. They'll set it up, host it, live chat support for the site and the > platform, all that.
> If you're just looking for the platform to run it all on, look at a > couple of these:
> On 29 Oct 2009 15:10:55 GMT, slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>> _/ Hoots <ratty_...@yahoo.com> wrote \_ >>> I saw something about "twats" then a whole pile of world salad.
>>> Whatever.
>>> So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
>>> I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks >>> (a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message >>> each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc >>> and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and >>> their quirky editing would be too tough)
>>> Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this >>> stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now. >> Do you just need the CMS or do you need a host too?
>> If you want an all provided package, http://www.spruz.com/ is the way to >> go. They'll set it up, host it, live chat support for the site and the >> platform, all that.
>> If you're just looking for the platform to run it all on, look at a >> couple of these:
> slunky wrote: >> _/ Hoots <ratty_...@yahoo.com> wrote \_ >>> slunky wrote: >>>> Now you're posting what to say to do it too, and to a much larger >>>> audience than VBN ever could. Good going ruining for the vets. >>> VBN??
>>> Very Big Nipples?!!
>>> Yay!
>> They need coaching to be like that.
> We're gonna hit em hard, we're gonna hit em often...
> slunky wrote: >> _/ Hoots <ratty_...@yahoo.com> wrote \_ >>> I saw something about "twats" then a whole pile of world salad.
>>> Whatever.
>>> So, Slunky since you're here I have a question.
>>> I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks >>> (a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message >>> each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc >>> and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and >>> their quirky editing would be too tough)
>>> Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this >>> stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now.
>> Do you just need the CMS or do you need a host too?
>> If you want an all provided package, http://www.spruz.com/ is the way to >> go. They'll set it up, host it, live chat support for the site and the >> platform, all that.
>> If you're just looking for the platform to run it all on, look at a >> couple of these:
Jester's mummy wrote: > On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:37:47 -0400, Hoots <ratty_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> <(((*>Jester's mummy wrote: >> <(((*>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:14:31 -0400, Hoots <ratty_...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> <(((*>> >> <(((*>>> <(((*>So, Slunky since you're here I have a question. >> <(((*>>> <(((*> >> <(((*>>> <(((*>I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website for some folks >> <(((*>>> <(((*>(a guild-like group). They want a website with the ability to message >> <(((*>>> <(((*>each other and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc >> <(((*>>> <(((*>and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and >> <(((*>>> <(((*>their quirky editing would be too tough) >> <(((*>>> <(((*> >> <(((*>>> <(((*>Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't explored this >> <(((*>>> <(((*>stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is all new now. >> <(((*>> >> <(((*>> I'm not Slunky, but I had a similar problem, needed to set something up for a >> <(((*>> work-related group. >> <(((*>> >> <(((*>> Created a discussion forum with phpbb. It's open source and free. >> <(((*>> >> <(((*>> http://www.phpbb.com/ >> <(((*>> >> <(((*>> The only thing that I needed was a server where I could host the thing, and that >> <(((*>> was provided by my employers. >> <(((*>> >> <(((*>> If you want to message me backchannel about my experiences with forum >> <(((*>> administration, it's tjmb (at) videotron.ca. >> <(((*>> >> <(((*>> Tara J. Ballance >> <(((*>> Montreal, Canada >> <(((*> >> <(((*>Thanks, I'll take a look at it! >> <(((*> >> <(((*>Who's Jester?
> Jester is my bare-eyed cockatoo. He got his name because he's such a clown.
> Tara J. Ballance > Montreal, Canada
Those birds are pretty entertaining and some of them know it.
I can't imagine a bird owner/lover not knowing about it, but for those who missed it, have you seen Snowball and Snowball videos?
> Jester's mummy wrote: >> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:37:47 -0400, Hoots <ratty_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> <(((*>Jester's mummy wrote: >>> <(((*>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:14:31 -0400, Hoots <ratty_...@yahoo.com> >>> wrote: >>> <(((*>> <(((*>>> <(((*>So, Slunky since you're here I have a question. >>> <(((*>>> <(((*> >>> <(((*>>> <(((*>I got hooked into something and I need to setup a website >>> for some folks <(((*>>> <(((*>(a guild-like group). They want a website >>> with the ability to message <(((*>>> <(((*>each other and maybe >>> broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc <(((*>>> <(((*>and have >>> the whole thing password protected. and easy to use (wiki's and <(((*>>> >>> <(((*>their quirky editing would be too tough) >>> <(((*>>> <(((*> >>> <(((*>>> <(((*>Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I haven't >>> explored this <(((*>>> <(((*>stuff in awhile so I 'm sure everything is >>> all new now. >>> <(((*>> <(((*>> I'm not Slunky, but I had a similar problem, needed to >>> set something up for a >>> <(((*>> work-related group. >>> <(((*>> <(((*>> Created a discussion forum with phpbb. It's open source >>> and free. >>> <(((*>> <(((*>> http://www.phpbb.com/ >>> <(((*>> <(((*>> The only thing that I needed was a server where I could >>> host the thing, and that >>> <(((*>> was provided by my employers. >>> <(((*>> <(((*>> If you want to message me backchannel about my >>> experiences with forum >>> <(((*>> administration, it's tjmb (at) videotron.ca. >>> <(((*>> <(((*>> Tara J. Ballance >>> <(((*>> Montreal, Canada >>> <(((*> >>> <(((*>Thanks, I'll take a look at it! >>> <(((*> >>> <(((*>Who's Jester?
>> Jester is my bare-eyed cockatoo. He got his name because he's such a >> clown.
>> Tara J. Ballance >> Montreal, Canada
> Those birds are pretty entertaining and some of them know it.
> I can't imagine a bird owner/lover not knowing about it, but for those who > missed it, have you seen Snowball and Snowball videos?
>>>> <(((*>Jester's mummy wrote: >>>> <(((*>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:14:31 -0400, Hoots >>>> <ratty_...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> <(((*>> <(((*>>> <(((*>So, Slunky since you're here I have a question. >>>> <(((*>>> <(((*> >>>> <(((*>>> <(((*>I got hooked into something and I need to setup a >>>> website for some folks <(((*>>> <(((*>(a guild-like group). They >>>> want a website with the ability to message <(((*>>> <(((*>each other >>>> and maybe broadcast messages, share files and picture, etc <(((*>>> >>>> <(((*>and have the whole thing password protected. and easy to use >>>> (wiki's and <(((*>>> <(((*>their quirky editing would be too tough) >>>> <(((*>>> <(((*> >>>> <(((*>>> <(((*>Any thoughts on the software or where to look? I >>>> haven't explored this <(((*>>> <(((*>stuff in awhile so I 'm sure >>>> everything is all new now. >>>> <(((*>> <(((*>> I'm not Slunky, but I had a similar problem, needed >>>> to set something up for a >>>> <(((*>> work-related group. >>>> <(((*>> <(((*>> Created a discussion forum with phpbb. It's open >>>> source and free. >>>> <(((*>> <(((*>> http://www.phpbb.com/ >>>> <(((*>> <(((*>> The only thing that I needed was a server where I >>>> could host the thing, and that >>>> <(((*>> was provided by my employers. >>>> <(((*>> <(((*>> If you want to message me backchannel about my >>>> experiences with forum >>>> <(((*>> administration, it's tjmb (at) videotron.ca. >>>> <(((*>> <(((*>> Tara J. Ballance >>>> <(((*>> Montreal, Canada >>>> <(((*> >>>> <(((*>Thanks, I'll take a look at it! >>>> <(((*> >>>> <(((*>Who's Jester?
>>> Jester is my bare-eyed cockatoo. He got his name because he's such a >>> clown.
>>> Tara J. Ballance >>> Montreal, Canada
>> Those birds are pretty entertaining and some of them know it.
>> I can't imagine a bird owner/lover not knowing about it, but for those >> who missed it, have you seen Snowball and Snowball videos?
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