i want to find a real statistic data how much really CBT is efficient in treating any 'disorder'. is it lost somewhere?
You claim that in treating any mostly neurological disorder , you are able to fix the problem but saying to attendant that his thought are unrealistic? You try to build confidence by telling him/her that he is in that state because he has wrong/unapproprate thoughts? Where is logic in that, and who is -unrealistic- there. Who are you to tell_anybody those stuff. Yes, i have unrealistic thoughts. And i love them more than people that are making money of everything .
Acceptance is crucial. But acceptance by the society (because nobody is born not accepting what he/she is). This rigid corrupted society lead by disturbed baboons.
Snoid wrote: > i want to find a real statistic data how much really CBT is efficient in > treating any 'disorder'. is it lost somewhere?
> You claim that in treating any mostly neurological disorder , you are > able to fix the problem but saying to attendant that his thought are > unrealistic? You try to build confidence by telling him/her that he is > in that state because he has wrong/unapproprate thoughts? Where is logic > in that, and who is -unrealistic- there. Who are you to tell_anybody > those stuff. Yes, i have unrealistic thoughts. And i love them more than > people that are making money of everything .
> Acceptance is crucial. But acceptance by the society (because nobody is > born not accepting what he/she is). This rigid corrupted society lead > by disturbed baboons.
Who is "you" ? Certainly not me and certainly not the vast majority of the people who read alt.support.autism
In article <gvlse4$ru...@aioe.org>, "Snoid" <rcr...@cmx.net> wrote: > i want to find a real statistic data how much really CBT is efficient in > treating any 'disorder'. is it lost somewhere?
As a general statement, most of my clients report success
> You claim that in treating any mostly neurological disorder
I have never heard of any qualified therapist claiming that CBT is used to treat neurological disorders
, you are able
> to fix the problem but saying to attendant that his thought are unrealistic?
Well, no. That is not how it is done. The client is assisted to determine for themselves whether or not their thoughts are realistic. While a therapist may have their own idea of how realistic the clients ideas are, that is generally not relevant.
> You try to build confidence by telling him/her that he is in that state > because he has wrong/unapproprate thoughts?
No. Where did you get these incorrect ideas about therapy?
Have you ever read any good books about the practice of psychotherapy?
>Where is logic in that,
There is no logic in that, and that why it is not the way therapy is practised
> Yes, i have > unrealistic thoughts. And i love them more than people that are making money > of everything .
And so do we all - sometimes that is all that keeps us going I think. Think of all the people that think they will win $$ playing poker machines, for example.
As I said before, your ideas about therapy are unrealistic, but you say you know they are unrealistic. Perhaps they serve a purpose for you (I am not your therapist so I can say that)
<posti...@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote: >> i want to find a real statistic data how much really CBT is efficient in >> treating any 'disorder'. is it lost somewhere?
>As a general statement, most of my clients report success
Perhaps a more targeted question would be - In what areas do you believe / does the evidence support, CBT being appropriate and effective?
(For example over here [UK NHS] it appears to be seen as a generic solution to "depression" - yet depression can have a range of manifestations and causes, not all of which appear to fit the CBT "model".)
>> You claim that in treating any mostly neurological disorder
>I have never heard of any qualified therapist claiming that CBT is used >to treat neurological disorders
Since this was posted to alt.support.autism, my guess would be that he's referring to the use of CBT as an intervention for the problems of autistics (given that autism is a neuro-developmental condition).
[Of course autistics can suffer from depression, in fact it seems to be more common than in the general population, but there are many issues associated with autism which are not psychological in origin.
Although they may have behavioural and psychological consequences, there are serious questions about trying to "treat" them on a purely behavioural / psychological basis.] --
In article <hple25tukngujka1k6fpe1es2u37mmh...@4ax.com>, Terry Jones <terryjo...@beeb.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:31:13 GMT, David > <posti...@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote:
> >As a general statement, most of my clients report success
> Perhaps a more targeted question would be - In what areas do you > believe / does the evidence support, CBT being appropriate and > effective?
> (For example over here [UK NHS] it appears to be seen as a generic > solution to "depression" - yet depression can have a range of > manifestations and causes, not all of which appear to fit the CBT > "model".)
I think CBT is a reasonably effective approach to many conditions, but I would certainly be concerned about anyone claiming it is the be-all and end-all of therapeutic interventions.
I do, however, think its general approach is not a bad way to begin an intervention - that is, it can serve well as an initial approach, and the change to another form of intervention, or the inclusion of other forms (eg family therapy, EMDR, Rogerian, behaviour modification) is easily accomplished and doesn't throw the client off line.
THe only measure of any intervention is whether or not it works - and if it doesn't work then flogging a dead horse, so to speak is not only time wasting, but is unprofessional and possibly/probably harmful to the client.
> >> You claim that in treating any mostly neurological disorder
> >I have never heard of any qualified therapist claiming that CBT is used > >to treat neurological disorders
> Since this was posted to alt.support.autism, my guess would be that > he's referring to the use of CBT as an intervention for the problems > of autistics (given that autism is a neuro-developmental condition).
> [Of course autistics can suffer from depression, in fact it seems to > be more common than in the general population, but there are many > issues associated with autism which are not psychological in origin.
> Although they may have behavioural and psychological consequences, > there are serious questions about trying to "treat" them on a purely > behavioural / psychological basis.]
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