does anybody have any tricks or enhancements for using propanolol?
For instance, yesterday I got home from the supermarket and discovered that I had got the wrong bread. Naturally, it only took about one billionth of a second to envision how the blushing/sweating would start at the customer service counter. If I were trapped there, like with a long line of other customers, then I'd eventually get soaked enough so that anybody would instantly notice.
The other option would be to forget about the bread, but then I'd feel like such a chicken that I would loathe myself. That was not a real option. I've always pushed myself into things.
So, I knew of many psychological and practical tricks to use on myself, but this time would be different. I had the shiny new propanolol handy. But I didn't want to wait an hour or two for peak plasma concentration to be achieved. So I *chewed* the bad-tasting tablet, 40 mg, to hopefully get it into my system faster. I also had a little bit of food right after, since that might result in less destruction of the propanolol on first-pass through the liver.
As soon as I swallowed the propanolol, I felt better - like being armored. Anticipatory armoring, rather than anticipatory anxiety, since I had used a beta blocker before and knew its effects. I next waited for the drug to actually get in. I tested myself by simply imagining being at the counter. When I no longer felt any flush when imagining, I knew I was ready.
Walking into the store I felt confident and bold. Then, at the counter itself, when speaking I had a tiny bit of heat across my hairline (above the forehead) and on the ears. That development gave me a little pause. Normally that would trigger the cascade, the cursed vicious cycle of being nervous and embarrased about being nervous and embarrased . But with the drug the symptoms didn't get any worse. They just stalled there. It was like what I'd imagine a normal, shy person would experience. I smiled then because knew I would win this one.
The girl behind the counter smiled back and said, "sure, go get the other one that you want and bring it back here". I did that immediately, feeling almost instantly ebullient because I always feel better when I can move and besides I had just experienced the seed of triumphing over the anxiety attack.
By the time that I was heading back to the counter, I actually **wanted** to spend more time there. I wanted to live it up in that mini-spotlight. I wanted to enjoy the interacting with strangers rather than being consumed about thoughts of my anxiety reactions. And so I did, even if it only lasted a minute. The transaction went too quickly. I walked out with a bit of a swagger in my step, though, looking at most of the girls behind the cash resisters as I went.
As I say, I just need the drug to remove the outward symptoms. I'll do the rest. Life has been a living hell, but along with the mental work I've done I also need the drug, and now the end seems in sight. A beta-blocker doesn't relax you, or change your mood directly. But it frees me up (so far, knock on wood) to be who I have refashioned myself to be over these many years.
So, does anybody know any more tricks to use that will quicken or enhance the action of propanolol? I'm sure that sometimes I'll need it really quick. Too bad there is no inhalable form.
Jack <J...@nyet.not> wrote: >So, does anybody know any more tricks to use that will quicken or >enhance the action of propanolol? I'm sure that sometimes I'll need it >really quick. Too bad there is no inhalable form.
Sorry to be a scare-monger but I'd strongly urge you not to mess with Propanolol. It's quite a dangerous drug and you risk potentially fatal heart trouble if you try to enhance it's effects. The problem lies within the chemistry. As a beta-blocker it restricts activity in the heart muscle but apparently only controls the beta receptors in half of the heart. The rest is assumed to act in sympathy but it's not entirely known what strain this could be putting on you most vital of organs.
For this reason you are playing with fire if you attempt to pep-up the effects. It restricts bronchial dilation and it doesn't mix well with other drugs. Never, ever mix it with alcohol. 'Snorting' or inhaling propanolol may well be the last thing you do.
Used occasionally on an as-needed basis you should be okay but regular long term use can lead to severe lethargy and deep mood swings, even diabetes. There is a safer alternative, Atenolol, that also works as a beta-blocker. If you find symptom control alleviates most of your anxiety you can achieve the same results by learning a "relaxation response". It's not such a quick fix but in time you can gain some control over your pulse rate and the production of adrenalin, including blushing symptoms.
I'm glad it worked so well for you. I was talking it daily at the start of my diagnosis because of palpitations. I also had Valium. When I went to a psychiatrist he took me of it. I have mild asthma and it is contraindicated. I switched from Valium to Xanax. I did not miss the Inderal. Not sure it helped me much but I do not have SP. My disorders are different. Now Xanax is a different story. I suggest you continue with your medication as prescribed. It worked and eventually you may be able to return the bread without it. Who knows? :) Meryl
> does anybody have any tricks or enhancements for using propanolol?
> For instance, yesterday I got home from the supermarket and discovered > that I had got the wrong bread. Naturally, it only took about one > billionth of a second to envision how the blushing/sweating would > start at the customer service counter. If I were trapped there, like > with a long line of other customers, then I'd eventually get soaked > enough so that anybody would instantly notice.
> The other option would be to forget about the bread, but then I'd feel > like such a chicken that I would loathe myself. That was not a real > option. I've always pushed myself into things.
> So, I knew of many psychological and practical tricks to use on > myself, but this time would be different. I had the shiny new > propanolol handy. But I didn't want to wait an hour or two for peak > plasma concentration to be achieved. So I *chewed* the bad-tasting > tablet, 40 mg, to hopefully get it into my system faster. I also had a > little bit of food right after, since that might result in less > destruction of the propanolol on first-pass through the liver.
> As soon as I swallowed the propanolol, I felt better - like being > armored. Anticipatory armoring, rather than anticipatory anxiety, > since I had used a beta blocker before and knew its effects. I next > waited for the drug to actually get in. I tested myself by simply > imagining being at the counter. When I no longer felt any flush when > imagining, I knew I was ready.
> Walking into the store I felt confident and bold. Then, at the counter > itself, when speaking I had a tiny bit of heat across my hairline > (above the forehead) and on the ears. That development gave me a > little pause. Normally that would trigger the cascade, the cursed > vicious cycle of being nervous and embarrased about being nervous and > embarrased . But with the drug the symptoms didn't get any worse. They > just stalled there. It was like what I'd imagine a normal, shy person > would experience. I smiled then because knew I would win this one.
> The girl behind the counter smiled back and said, "sure, go get the > other one that you want and bring it back here". I did that > immediately, feeling almost instantly ebullient because I always feel > better when I can move and besides I had just experienced the seed of > triumphing over the anxiety attack.
> By the time that I was heading back to the counter, I actually > **wanted** to spend more time there. I wanted to live it up in that > mini-spotlight. I wanted to enjoy the interacting with strangers > rather than being consumed about thoughts of my anxiety reactions. And > so I did, even if it only lasted a minute. The transaction went too > quickly. I walked out with a bit of a swagger in my step, though, > looking at most of the girls behind the cash resisters as I went.
> As I say, I just need the drug to remove the outward symptoms. I'll do > the rest. Life has been a living hell, but along with the mental work > I've done I also need the drug, and now the end seems in sight. A > beta-blocker doesn't relax you, or change your mood directly. But it > frees me up (so far, knock on wood) to be who I have refashioned > myself to be over these many years.
> So, does anybody know any more tricks to use that will quicken or > enhance the action of propanolol? I'm sure that sometimes I'll need it > really quick. Too bad there is no inhalable form.
>>So, does anybody know any more tricks to use that will quicken or >>enhance the action of propanolol? I'm sure that sometimes I'll need it >>really quick. Too bad there is no inhalable form.
>Sorry to be a scare-monger
haha... normally I would bristle and call you a nanny for starters
But I am resolved to two things on this group: - knowing that I am essentially alone even here, since NOBODY thinks like me - knowing that most of us are in the same boat, even if not alike
Plus, I have nothing to lose, though I do not essentially enjoy this public disclosure type of thing
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[note: I am a terrible typre and I do get tired of proofing myself]
>but I'd strongly urge you not to mess >with Propanolol. It's quite a dangerous drug and you risk >potentially fatal heart trouble if you try to enhance it's >effects. The problem lies within the chemistry. As a beta-blocker >it restricts activity in the heart muscle but apparently only >controls the beta receptors in half of the heart. The rest is >assumed to act in sympathy but it's not entirely known what >strain this could be putting on you most vital of organs.
>For this reason you are playing with fire if you attempt to >pep-up the effects.
I must play with fire. Though I doubt very seriously that propanolol is fire, since probably millions have taken it every day.
For me, it is a boon from heaven. Atenolol is longer acting, and I don't want the effects past the necesary point.
>It restricts bronchial dilation and it >doesn't mix well with other drugs. Never, ever mix it with >alcohol.
yeah, right. Don't mistake everyone for an idiot. If I mix it with alcohol, I will do it in stages. And in fact, I have.
In faqct, I had very successfully mixed GHB with alcohol, though the weenies say that it is so very dangerous. Also mixed with menthol cigarettes. Btw, I had made the GHB myself, from GBL.
>'Snorting' or inhaling propanolol may well be the last >thing you do.
that I would not try. Unfortunately, no one out there had any useful tips for quick action.
>Used occasionally on an as-needed basis you should be okay but >regular long term use can lead to severe lethargy and deep mood >swings, even diabetes. There is a safer alternative, Atenolol, >that also works as a beta-blocker.
maybe I'll try it, perhaps
>If you find symptom control >alleviates most of your anxiety you can achieve the same results >by learning a "relaxation response".
you must learn to pay better attention. I've already descirbed being a hyper hot reactor. I spoke about xanax doses. Otherwise, I have drank 3 half pints of liquor and still ummm.. showed a very good time to the girl I was with at the time. They always came back for more.
>It's not such a quick fix
I am many years past the "quick fix" yearning stage. What is your story? Are you a sufferer/victim? Or merely a psych student?
>but in time you can gain some control over your pulse rate and >the production of adrenalin, including blushing symptoms.
pure crap
CBT, as popularized, is also crap
>Riccip
random but hard-earned thougths to be continued :)
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:35:29 +1000, "Meryl" <meryl.nNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Now Xanax is a different story.
okay, I have taken 2.5 orange xanax for anxiety social situations. Is that high or just average, in your estimation?
>I suggest you continue with your medication as prescribed. It worked and >eventually you may be able to return the bread without it. Who knows? :) >Meryl
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:35:29 +1000, "Meryl" <meryl.nNOS...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> I don't do "prescribed" but thanks anyway :)
Good for you. I really dont see the aim of psychiastry if they dont have the guts to say the whole human community is a wreck are they a politicl institution. are they a well organized group of drug dealers. Maybe uncouncios , but..
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