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Ginger tea (Tea without tea)

severalt...@gmail.com (severaltips) — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:43:06 UT

Boil 500 ml of water.
Add some slices of fresh ginger root.
Reduce flame.
Cook for 10 minutes and strain.
Add honey and/or lemon juice of your choice.
Drink hot.
(Good remedy for sore throat, cold, etc.)
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Irrigator with Microban

m...@nospam.com (MS) — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:47:30 UT

I know there have been many concerns raised here about the use of electric
irrigators such as the Waterpik, due to the possibility of microbes growing
inside the tubing, etc.
I just saw a new one from Interplak that is treated with something called
Microban, which is supposed to inhibit microbial growth. I don't know how

Re: study on treatment for biofilms

m...@nospam.com (MS) — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:15:31 UT

Your reply, potatotree, nor the original post and article, as far as I
noticed, still say nothing about whether there was a control group who
irrigated by the exact same method, with the exact same solution, minus the
baby solution.
If their results were comparing their shampoo irrigators with
non-irrigators, that is absolutely unscientific and meaningless. That only

Re: study on treatment for biofilms

mfrperso...@gmail.com (Michael) — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 05:55:59 UT

Could you please say what pseudomonas symptoms the black tea 'wiped
out st (sic) least temporarily'
and how long was 'temporarily.'
"it completely plugged up my nose for two weeks."
Do you know if the 'plugging up' was caused by swelling of the mucosal
lining or by the release of solidified mucous from the sinus's that

Re: study on treatment for biofilms

braecan...@aol.com (potatotree) — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:33:18 UT

The baby shampoo irrigation seems to work best for people who have
congestion or a discharge in their sinuses, from what I understand. I
emailed one of the researchers on the baby shampoo study and he
confirmed that it only worked to prevent the formation of biofilms.
Not effective for existing biofilms. As for other biofilm disruptors,

Re: study on treatment for biofilms

ab...@yahoo.com (AB) — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 05:54:41 UT

The shampoo is not particularly unpleasant, I've already bought it, and it
might be doing some good.
Andrew

Re: astelin vs. Aste-Pro vs. Patanase--comparison of antihistamine nasal sprays

m...@nospam.com (MS) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:35:34 UT

Weird post, pavane somewhere-something?
Obviously disdainful tone, in asking a question about antihistamine nasal
sprays?
Are you from the usenet police? Is that your job? Then why don't you go
after all the spammers that have ruined Usenet? That is where cross-posting
is bad--people who post spam (whether commercial, or some political message,

Re: Sinus Rinses May Do More Harm Than Good

m...@nospam.com (MS) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:28:36 UT

I'm not sure about this.
My nose produces mucus so fast, in so much abundance, that I don't think it
is a problem to wash all the old dried-up phlegm out, as fresh clean phlegm
will replace it very quickly.
I could be wrong though.
i don't think I could test this though, by going without irrigation. I would

Re: study on treatment for biofilms

m...@nospam.com (MS) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:21:54 UT

Why do you continue with baby shampoo in your irrigation fluid, if you have
not noticed improvement from it?
I think it is unavoidable when irrigating, that some solution goes down the
throat. Must be pretty yukky to drink soap!

Re: study on treatment for biofilms

m...@nospam.com (MS) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:18:33 UT

One thing I am not clear on:
In this study, did they have a control group who irrigated, without the baby
shampoo? Do the 46.6% and 60% figures cited involve a comparison between two
groups, that both irrigated with saline, with one having the baby shampoo
added?
If not-- if the baby shampoo irrigators were compared with non-irrigators,

Re: Non-stop clogged ear for two years.

dopam...@mail.com (JayDee) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:17:42 UT

I do appreciate your reply Susan... sorry if it didn't appear that
way. It's just such a frustrating thing i've been dealing with as you
can imagine. I feel as though doctors have been diagnosing me with
inner ear problems solely based on the result of that test and not
really paying attention to my symptoms.

Research Yields Clues to Severe Form of Sinusitis

sdlit...@earthlink.net (Steven L.) — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:13:12 UT

Research Yields Clues to Severe Form of Sinusitis
Obstructive polyps can impair breathing, protein may be the cause
Posted November 23, 2009
MONDAY, Nov. 23 (HealthDay News) -- U.S. researchers say they've
identified a protein that causes nasal and sinus polyps in 15 percent to
30 percent of people with chronic sinusitis.

Re: Nasal Irrigation alternative

j...@j.com (Jake) — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:19:08 UT

Is using something like Astelin better than an oral antihistamine like
Allegra?

Re: astelin vs. Aste-Pro vs. Patanase--comparison of antihistamine nasal sprays

pav...@somewhere.something.com (pavane) — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:32:18 UT

Tact: [link]
Courtesy: [link]
Thank you for having cross-posted your message, a distinct violation
of Usenet protocols, in addition to your obviously disdainful tone.
pavane

astelin vs. Aste-Pro vs. Patanase--comparison of antihistamine nasal sprays

m...@nospam.com (MS) — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:56:49 UT

i am interested in hearing comparisons of the three antihistamine nasal
sprays in the title--efficacy, taste (probably bad on all, but which are
worse), etc.
Please do NOT discuss and compare other types of nasal sprays in this
thread, such as steroid (Flonase, Nasonex, etc.), decongestant (Afrin,

Research Yields Clues to Severe Form of Sinusitis

fgsdf...@asfffwer.com (sbnjhfty) — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:01:04 UT

MONDAY, Nov. 23 (HealthDay News) -- U.S. researchers say they've
identified a protein that causes nasal and sinus polyps in 15 percent to
30 percent of people with chronic sinusitis.
The condition is one of the most serious forms of sinusitis, a constant
irritation and swelling of the nasal passages. Polyps - unhealthy

Re: Nasal Irrigation alternative

j...@j.com (Jake) — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:59:17 UT

Ok - she had some weakness for a couple of days after stopping, but is
fine now.
Do you know if Astelin contains Benzalkonium also?
Also using Astelin 3 days a month - is that also likely to worsen
the condition?
We drive to a neighbouring city once every month or so - the
journey takes 3 hours & we return after 2-3 days. Though the

Re: Nasal Irrigation alternative

a...@a.com (Jules) — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:57:30 UT

Re: A cigarette metabolite accelerates vitamin D breakdown via the aryl hydrocarbon receptor

eprimea...@gmail.com (Ernie) — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:06:31 UT

Commander cocksucker asshole farrel babbles using my name due to her
insanity. Ernie

Re: A cigarette metabolite accelerates vitamin D breakdown via the aryl hydrocarbon receptor

word69ti...@pluckery.com (Dr. DRErnie) — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:31:23 UT

Smoking gets more nutrients to the hairy one. Ernie

A cigarette metabolite accelerates vitamin D breakdown via the aryl hydrocarbon receptor

k...@anon.un (Kofi) — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:39:38 UT

No doubt this accelerated breakdown of vitamin D by smoking metabolites
helps to account for the adverse effects of smoking on other conditions
like Crohn's. In essence, smoking is chewing up your vitamin D stores.
Toxicol Sci. 2009 May;109(1):50-8. Epub 2009 Feb 25

The aryl hydrocarbon receptor activator benzo[a]pyrene enhances vitamin

Re: Non-stop clogged ear for two years.

dopam...@mail.com (JayDee) — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:25:36 UT

i appreciate all your replies, but they are not to my question. i did
not ask about a CT scan. i said that the doctors were diagnosing me
with inner ear problems due to the results of an ENG indicating a
reduced vestibular problem in the left ear, despite i do not have any
dizziness or vertigo or any other symptoms of inner ear problems.

Re: nasal irrigation as cause of infection?

neil0...@yahoo.com (Neil Brooks) — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:05:12 UT

Nah. I was in the camp of those who always just assumed that :-)
Hm. Having gone to that particular school, I still can't quite parse
that one. "My Study .... something" ??
If not ... then ... must ... know .... :-)
OMG: did I REALLY use the wrong "its," above? SHAME on MSU!!

Re: nasal irrigation as cause of infection?

neil0...@yahoo.com (Neil Brooks) — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:16:46 UT

Sure it does. It's inventor told us that many times ;-)

Re: nasal irrigation as cause of infection?

fgsdf...@asfffwer.com (sbnjhfty) — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:13:46 UT

With my hydropulse I caused a super nasty double ear infection from that
thing forcing fluid where it shouldn't be. The Neilmed bottle is much
safer and easier to control. I'm also a firm believer that the
pulsating action does not wake up immobile cilia. I believe that the
cilia just simply cannot do their job because of swelling. Dr Grossan

Re: nasal irrigation as cause of infection?

fgsdf...@asfffwer.com (sbnjhfty) — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:13:32 UT

Re: nasal irrigation as cause of infection?

sdlit...@earthlink.net (Steven L.) — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:45:41 UT

It's a good thing you didn't have second thoughts. :-)

Re: nasal irrigation as cause of infection?

sdlit...@earthlink.net (Steven L.) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:30:31 UT

This is a particular problem for the mechanical irrigators like
HydroPulse or WaterPik. You can't keep bleach inside their mechanisms
for more than 10 minutes at a time without damaging their seals. And
they stay wet inside all the time, a great breeding ground for microbes.
So yes, when I read the article, it seemed like they didn't control for

Re: Nasal Irrigation alternative

ac2...@gmail.com (Nexus7) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:30:04 UT

I'm well aware of the cost of Breathe-ease and I have always have
uniodized salt and Xylitol packets in my medicine cabinet. However
these (plus a pinchof baking soda) do not Ringers Lactate make.
There's research suggesting RL is better to irrigatie with (including
some by the good doctor, and some on the Neilmed site), plus the man

Re: Nasal Irrigation alternative

ac2...@gmail.com (Nexus7) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:12:35 UT

For something that is described as a modified Ringers Lactate (uses
xylitol instead of Glucose), and is made specifically for nasal
irrigation (both the spray kind you're thinking of, and the through-
the-nose kind that she really needs to do), search for Breathe-Ease.
It's a powder, so no concerns about contamination of open bottles; you

Re: Nasal Irrigation alternative

sdlit...@earthlink.net (Steven L.) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:06:07 UT

Excuse me, you're NOT her physician and you shouldn't be changing her
dosing schedule.
No patient should make changes to dosing schedules on his own without
discussing it with his OWN physician.
How about telling Mr & Mrs. Jake to discuss an alternate-period dosing
schedule with their physician?
There is a test, the ACTH (cosyntropin) stimulation test, that can

Re: nasal irrigation as cause of infection?

x...@y.com (Oakfed) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:50:13 UT

judy wrote:
The summary said that stopping routine irrigation and irrigating only
when infected dropped infections from an average of 6 a year to 3 a
year.
It could be that people who are already getting frequent infections (3
a year, anyhow) are affected differently? I have chronic sinusitis and
irrigate once daily, and it seems to help a little, but I don't get

Re: Uva ursi

be...@hal-pc.org (Becca) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:40:38 UT

Thanks for posting this, I appreciate it.
Becca

Re: Uva ursi

asf...@yahoo.fr (asfyso) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:21:20 UT

The is no reference of uva ursi effect on biofilms, but it does help
decrease the working concentration of beta-lactams.
Microbiol Immunol. 2004;48(1):67-73.
Mechanisms of action of corilagin and tellimagrandin I that remarkably
potentiate the activity of beta-lactams against methicillin-resistant
Staphylococcus aureus.

nasal irrigation as cause of infection?

eyelash...@aol.com (judy) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:00:43 UT

I recently read a summary about a recently published article (and a
detractor) who claim that repeated irrigations may destroy mucus
protection against infection...Has anyone else read/heard of this
article? Thoughts?

Re: Nasal Irrigation alternative

j...@j.com (Jake) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:49:27 UT

What if she wants to stop now. Can she stop right away? Or should she
taper?
The dose per spray is around 64 mcg. For the first 3-4 days, she took
2 sprays per nose per day - so that was 256 mcg per day.
Since then it has been 1 spray per nose. So that's 128 mcg per
day.
I am thinking - let her skip one day.

Re: Nasal Irrigation alternative

j...@j.com (Jake) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:28:56 UT

Thanks, Susan. That's scary.
Is it through continous use or through short term use also?
Also now if my wife wants to stop using Rhinocort, should she taper the use
before quitting - is there a recommened tapering regimen - she has been
using
it for around 2 weeks now.
Does this have any problems like Oxymetazoline problems mentioned by Steven

Re: Uva ursi

be...@hal-pc.org (Becca) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:13:02 UT

Thanks for posting that, it was interesting to read. I have not taken
uva ursi orally, but I wondered if I could boil water, steep the uva
ursi, strain it, then use it to irrigate my sinuses. I just wonder if
it would help destroy biofilm. Again, I would not be taking it orally.
Becca

Re: Nasal Irrigation alternative

j...@j.com (Jake) — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:42:16 UT

She got prescribed Rhinocort Acqua - (Budesonide)
She has been using it for a week now.
How long can one use this continously?
She just sprays one in each nose every evening.

Re: Non-stop clogged ear for two years.

su...@nothanks.org (Susan) — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:58:27 UT

From the article I mentioned, Chronic sinusitis: symptoms versus CT
scan findings
Michael G. Stewart and Romaine F. Johnson:
Conclusion
There were few studies in the past year that explicitly
addressed symptom severity and CT scan findings in
patients with chronic sinusitis. The two studies reporting

Re: Non-stop clogged ear for two years.

sdlit...@earthlink.net (Steven L.) — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:35:08 UT

Yep, could be.
CT scans are known to have about a 5% rate of false negatives--they fail
to pick up pockets of infection. That happened to me.
So you might have a pocket of infection somewhere that is feeding
infection into the Eustachian Tube.
I assume you've already tried multiple courses of antibiotics???

Re: Uva ursi

asf...@yahoo.fr (asfyso) — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:28:48 UT

There could be a risk of long-term ocular toxicity, although no one
should take it for as long as the patient described below did.
----------
Am J Ophthalmol. 2004 Jun;137(6):1135-7.
Bull's-eye maculopathy secondary to herbal toxicity from uva ursi.
Wang L, Del Priore LV.
Department of Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences, Weill Medical

Uva ursi

be...@hal-pc.org (Becca) — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:14:06 UT

Has anyone considered irrigating their sinuses with uva ursi?
[link]
Becca

Re: Non-stop clogged ear for two years.

dopam...@mail.com (JayDee) — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:18:27 UT

I had one done in the doctor's office (so I'm not sure HOW complete
that is, but it was a doctor at a very reputable hospital) and the one
thing they found was a moderately deviated septum. As a probably
result of that, my nose is generally more stuffed on the left side,
which is the same side the ear feels full on. As a non-doctor, it

Empty Nose Syndrome

bldrf...@gmail.com (fred) — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:27:53 UT

This is what can happen when you remove the turbinates.
[link]

Re: Extremely Swollen Turbinates & Chest Heaviness

bldrf...@gmail.com (fred) — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:22:42 UT

There is such a thing called "Empty Nose Syndrome" which has a lot of
symptoms - all that make you sick. it is on google.

Re: Study: Chronic Sinusitis Correlates With Other Illnesses

bldrf...@gmail.com (fred) — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:19:15 UT

Then there is things like mental confusion when your sinuses back up.
Anxiety when you cannot do your work. Depression when you loose your
job. Feeling lousy after a poor nights sleep cause your nasal
passages are blocked. Increase in URIs cause your mucus membranes are
a breeding ground for bacteria. Medical mismanagement? Heart

Re: RIGHT NASAL CAVITY SUDDENLY BECOMES SENSITIVE TO WARM AIR

bldrf...@gmail.com (fred) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:58:49 UT

There is something called the "Empty Nose Syndrome" when your
Turbinates are removed. The cure sometimes is worse than the initial
medical medical problem. You might Google this and see what infor you
come up with.

Nasal inflamation

bldrf...@gmail.com (fred) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:52:23 UT

There is a drug advertised on TV that is supposed to take care of
bronchial inflamation. I am still battling the fact that I have nasal
inflamation on a daily basis. This means that one entire nostril
becomes blocked - usually in the evening. I can open it with Flonase,
Afrin and some other meds. It then starts to drain and I have a

Sinus Rinses May Do More Harm Than Good

fgsdf...@asfffwer.com (sbnjhfty) — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:17:09 UT

[link]
MONDAY, Nov. 9 (HealthDay News) -- Rinsing sinuses with a saline
solution might have soothing short-term benefits, but it could actually
make you more prone to infections in the long run by stripping your nose
of critical immune soldiers.