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Peace be upon you!....Reply to objections on Islam regarding God....His mercy is prevalent over all His other attributes....His four basic attributes.... His attribute of Al Aziz (The Mighty) is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an mostly in conjunction with His attribute of Al Hakeem (The Wise) - signifying that all His decisions are with wisdom... Al Aziz(The Mighty) is also mentioned with Al Raheem (Ever Merciful), Al Hameed (The Praiseworthy), Al Wahab (The Bestower) or Al Kareem (The Noble)... The accounts of all the earlier prophets of God tell us that when transgression exceeded all limits only then God's chastisement came.
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MANAADI-ul-AFDAAL  
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 More options Nov 1 2007, 11:15 pm
Newsgroups: alt.support.divorce, sci.philosophy.meta, alt.philosophy.zen, alt.philosophy.taoism
From: MANAADI-ul-AFDAAL <mzfr1...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 05:15:43 -0700
Local: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 11:15 pm
Subject: Peace be upon you!....Reply to objections on Islam regarding God....His mercy is prevalent over all His other attributes....His four basic attributes.... His attribute of Al Aziz (The Mighty) is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an mostly in conjunction with His attribute of Al Hakeem (The Wise) - signifying that all His decisions are with wisdom... Al Aziz(The Mighty) is also mentioned with Al Raheem (Ever Merciful), Al Hameed (The Praiseworthy), Al Wahab (The Bestower) or Al Kareem (The Noble)... The accounts of all the earlier prophets of God tell us that when transgression exceeded all limits only then God's chastisement came.
=(1)= Critics of Islam say that the Holy Qur'an presents a concept of
God Who is cruel and only chastises and commands its followers to
violence, that there is no wisdom in the Islamic commandments. [- God
forbid -]
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=(2)= Many people in the public eye, including the Pope, have made
such assertions about Islam. They conclude that due to its teaching
Islam is a religion of force and that is the reason Muslims are
inclined to aggression.
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=(3)= It is clear that these people have either not read the Qur'an or
not tried to understand it, such is their prejudice. Fact is that
Islam presents a most beautiful and matchless concept of God through
examples. The very first Chapter/Surah of the Qur'an elucidates this,
as the Promised Messiah (on whom be peace) explains that the Qur'an
accredits only the name of Allah qualified for all perfect qualities.
His attribute of Al Nur (The Light) as described in 24:36 "Allah is
the light of the heavens and the earth..." all other known light is a
reflection of Allah's light.
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=(4)= If others do not see the beauty in this or do not recognize the
Being of God then the fault lies with the beholder. In order to see
the beautiful concept of God that Islam presents one would have to be
open-minded.
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=(5)= As Promised Messiah (on whom be peace) expounded Allah has
numerous graces, however, He has four principal attributes:---
----(i)- The first grace as mentioned in Surah Fatiha in RABB ul
Alameen, (Lord of all the worlds) through this emanates His quality of
Rububiyyat, through which He creates and provides all that is needed
to nurture and sustain life. This grace operates in the entire cosmos
and all creation is benefiting from it. His Rububiyyat thus nurtures
all that is in existence however, as a grace, mankind gets the
greatest measure of it and that is why mankind is reminded that God is
Lord of all the worlds.
----(ii)- The second type of grace is Rahmaniyyat. God is named RAHMAN
because He granted all living things form and characteristic, just as
He has granted mankind its strengths and powers. Mankind has got the
biggest share of this grace as everything else is in operation for the
benefit of humans.
----(iii)- The third type of grace is Raheemiyyat. God is called
RAHEEM by virtue of His acceptance of prayers and good deeds of people
and by keeping them safe from calamities. This grace is exclusive for
mankind.
----(iv)- The fourth grace is inherent in 'Master of the Day of
Judgment', His MALIKiyyat. The distinction between Malikiyyat and
Raheemiyyat is that Allah accepts prayers and grants success through
Raheemiyyat while by virtue of Malikiyyat He bestows reward.
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=(6)= The holy Caliph of holy promised Messiah explained that above
mentioned is the basic concept of God in Islam. All deeds are
compensated accordingly; Allah does not mete out cruelty. Indeed, one
has to follow the guidance and function within the parameters of the
commandments. In this world man follows the man-made law and rules and
is cautious not to break them, however, man wishes to restrict
God....The Christians present the argument that one's sins are atoned by
another. This is not a rational point. Would they abide by this rule
in the worldly affairs? Why then is this absurd viewpoint thrust in
God's law? ......God is the Master, despite His rule that man can be
punished for his deeds, God has the power to forgive and He has
declared that His mercy prevails over everything. ......The accounts of
all the earlier prophets of God tell us that when transgression
exceeded all limits only then God's chastisement came.
=(7)= Despite the Divine attribute of *The Mighty (Al Aziz)*  God is
neither hasty in punishment nor is He at the lookout to chastise. His
mercy is prevalent over all His other attributes. His attribute of Al
Aziz is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an mostly in conjunction with His
attribute of Al Hakeem (The Wise) - signifying that all His decisions
are with wisdom. Al Aziz is also mentioned with Al Raheem (Ever
Merciful), Al Hameed (The Praiseworthy), Al Wahab (The Bestower) or Al
Kareem (The Noble).
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=(8)= When the Qur'an refers to God as One Who punishes, the reasons
and explanations are cited as to why the punishment is given, such
references are only ten to twelve in number in the entire Qur'an... Any
fair minded person has no choice but to be inclined towards the Divine
attribute of Raheemiyyat as the most overwhelming attribute of God in
the Qur'an.....However, when God's law is consistently broken and all
limits are exceeded as well as God's beloved are rejected then God's
punishment comes with the objective to reform people or as a warning
for generations to come.
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=(9)= Qur'an mentions God as 'Possessor of the power to requite' or
'Lord of retribution' in four places. First, in Surah Al Imran (3:5)
where the earlier people are mentioned who deviated from the teachings
that were revealed for them, then in Surah Al Maidah (5:90) the
believers are addressed in terms of punishment for breaking the law of
God. In Surah Ibrahim (14:48) messengers of God and their followers
are assured that no matter how hard their opponents will try they will
meet a sorry end. Then in Surah Al Zumar (39:38) once again the
believers are given the surety that the adversaries will be punished.
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=(10)= The Qur'an also states that the Powerful God punished the
people of Hadhrat Saleh (peace be on him) who rejected him and
exceeded all limits in transgression.... It also states the people of
the Pharaoh in Surah Al Qamar 54:43 and the punishment they met....
These Quranic verses are a warning that the era of the Holy Prophet
(peace and blessings be on him) is now going to last till the end of
time and his message has been spread to the corners of the world
through his true and ardent devotee, therefore desist from hurting
them.... Rather than object to the God of Islam and the Prophet of Islam
have fear and awe of God... The concept of God, as presented by Islam is
the God Who saved all the prophets from their adversaries... Indeed, if
Allah did not declare His power and might, the world would have turned
calamitous.
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=(11)= According to the Islamic teaching, the religious buildings and
places of worship of other religions must be safeguarded even during
the time of war... There are the specific verses of Surah Al Hajj
(22:40-41) where Muslims are given permission to fight under strict
guidance.... In a situation when the peace of the world is in danger and
an attack is made and there is constant persecution, is it not likely
to raise arms to defend oneself? Is a commandment to fight in order to
stop transgression and to defend oneself devoid of wisdom?
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=(12)= As for the Muslims, they are reminded of the attribute of Al
Aziz in the Qur'an in Surah Al Baqarah (2:210), they are enjoined to
tread the path of His commandment, to strengthen their faith because
they have been enabled to believe in The Wise and The Mighty God. If
they slip up and lapse they may be punished, but this punishment would
not be an act of oppression rather a means to reform.
*******************************************************
=(13)= The true concept of the Mighty and The Wise God must be
presented by believers to dispel the misconceptions. God is Matchless
in His beauty and grace, He if punishes sins does so in order to
establish peace and security... Dispelling misconceptions, one need to
take the message to the believers so that they remain steadfast and
also to others onward for success....The holy Caliph  requested prayers.
Pleasure of Allah is the focus.
Promised divine peace of latter days @  www.alislam.org    www.mta.tv
with LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE.

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 More options Nov 2 2007, 4:48 pm
Newsgroups: alt.support.divorce, sci.philosophy.meta, alt.philosophy.zen, alt.philosophy.taoism
From: "jhn_...@yahoo.com" <jhn_...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:48:30 -0700
Local: Fri, Nov 2 2007 4:48 pm
Subject: Re: Peace be upon you!....Reply to objections on Islam regarding God....His mercy is prevalent over all His other attributes....His four basic attributes.... His attribute of Al Aziz (The Mighty) is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an mostly in conjunction with His attribute of Al Hakeem (The Wise) - signifying that all His decisions are with wisdom... Al Aziz(The Mighty) is also mentioned with Al Raheem (Ever Merciful), Al Hameed (The Praiseworthy), Al Wahab (The Bestower) or Al Kareem (The Noble)... The accounts of all the earlier prophets of God tell us that when transgression exceeded all limits only then God's chastisement came.
Peace be upon you!
  I admire your courage posting this here in sci.philosophy.meta.
This discussion group is where old ideas can be challenged and new
ideas can be tested.  I respect the amount of work you put into your
post.  However, I can't find anything in it that is philosophically
provable.  All of what you are referring to was written by some person
long ago that didn't understand astronomy or anthropology.  No one did
back then.  With all respect, you offer no reason to take your post
seriously.
  We all understand that Muslims want political power to come from
religion, not from democracy.  After all, a democracy gets its
authority from people and people get their authority from religion.
Therefore, it would make sense to cut people out of the equation and
just use religion.  The problem is that religion was written by people
anyway.  It doesn't have any natural authority which is why it comes
in all shapes and sizes.  Democracy may not be a perfect system but
the wisdom of many is usually better than the wisdom of a few.

- John

P.S. Check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Subjations.GIF

This is philosophically provable and I didn't get any of it out of the
Qur'an or the Bible or any other religious text.

LOVE FOR ALL AND HATRED FOR NONE.


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 More options Nov 3 2007, 1:36 am
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From: "insider/sanconal" <sanco...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 07:36:28 -0700
Local: Sat, Nov 3 2007 1:36 am
Subject: Re: Peace be upon you!....Reply to objections on Islam regarding God....His mercy is prevalent over all His other attributes....His four basic attributes.... His attribute of Al Aziz (The Mighty) is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an mostly in conjunction with His attribute of Al Hakeem (The Wise) - signifying that all His decisions are with wisdom... Al Aziz(The Mighty) is also mentioned with Al Raheem (Ever Merciful), Al Hameed (The Praiseworthy), Al Wahab (The Bestower) or Al Kareem (The Noble)... The accounts of all the earlier prophets of God tell us that when transgression exceeded all limits only then God's chastisement came.
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