This taken from a player who was in the all player meeting of the Knicks. I say read the last sentence carefully. I say again read the last sentence. Now think about how that sounds to players who MAY think about coming to the Knick organization. Remember to the players around the league it is still the Knick organization. Here it is...
*************************************************************************** ************************************** The players also don't like hearing about the organization's interest in potential free agents LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh and Joe Johnson. (Team officials are prohibited from talking about players on other teams and most of the speculation has come via the media.) A few players have said that they have been so soured by their experience in New York that if James were to solicit their advice about playing for the Knicks, they would not give him a favorable scouting report.
Remember guys it really doesn't matter at all who you think said that. It is more important that they even said it or thought it and that players who are NOT playing for NY could get that info.
> This taken from a player who was in the all player meeting of the > Knicks. I say read the last sentence carefully. I say again read the > last sentence. Now think about how that sounds to players who MAY > think about coming to the Knick organization. Remember to the players > around the league it is still the Knick organization. Here it is...
> *************************************************************************** ************************************** > The players also don't like hearing about the organization's interest > in potential free agents LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh and Joe > Johnson. (Team officials are prohibited from talking about players on > other teams and most of the speculation has come via the media.) A few > players have said that they have been so soured by their experience in > New York that if James were to solicit their advice about playing for > the Knicks, they would not give him a favorable scouting report.
> Remember guys it really doesn't matter at all who you think said that. > It is more important that they even said it or thought it and that > players who are NOT playing for NY could get that info.
Like I said earlier, why would anyone want to come to this team given a choice. All these big FA's are going to get paid max contracts from someone, so money is not the motivator and who is going to give an endorsement deal to someo on this team that consistently loses.
On Nov 7, 7:16 am, Syfo-Dyas <Syfo-D...@nomail.com> wrote:
> This taken from a player who was in the all player meeting of the > Knicks. I say read the last sentence carefully. I say again read the > last sentence. Now think about how that sounds to players who MAY > think about coming to the Knick organization. Remember to the players > around the league it is still the Knick organization. Here it is...
Please. This article is lame and useless. You really think that Lebron James can't distinguish his stature from that of career chumps like Al Harrington or Larry Hughes? As if Lebron would find it meaningful when losers like them whined to him about life as a New York Knick being unsatisfying? Yeah right. And what happens when Lebron talks to CC Sabathia or Eli Manning? Still think he'll be soured on the prospects of moving to New York?
<joseph_blo...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Nov 7, 7:16 am, Syfo-Dyas <Syfo-D...@nomail.com> wrote: >> This taken from a player who was in the all player meeting of the >> Knicks. I say read the last sentence carefully. I say again read the >> last sentence. Now think about how that sounds to players who MAY >> think about coming to the Knick organization. Remember to the players >> around the league it is still the Knick organization. Here it is...
>Please. This article is lame and useless. You really think that >Lebron James can't distinguish his stature from that of career chumps >like Al Harrington or Larry Hughes? As if Lebron would find it >meaningful when losers like them whined to him about life as a New >York Knick being unsatisfying? Yeah right. And what happens when >Lebron talks to CC Sabathia or Eli Manning? Still think he'll be >soured on the prospects of moving to New York?
Only time will answer that question... I think we will all know by the summer...
On Nov 8, 6:54 pm, Syfo-Dyas <Syfo-D...@nomail.com> wrote:
> Only time will answer that question... I think we will all know by the > summer...
I don't think so. Whether Lebron comes to NY or not, it will have nothing to do with listening to the schlubs on the current (or recent past) Knick roster. Regardless, neither you or I will know exactly what went into his decision. But, I do find it hard to believe his financial interests (a billionaire he wants to be after all) could be trumped by the disgruntled opinion of some lame-o like Al Harrington.
<joseph_blo...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Nov 8, 6:54 pm, Syfo-Dyas <Syfo-D...@nomail.com> wrote: >> Only time will answer that question... I think we will all know by the >> summer...
>I don't think so. Whether Lebron comes to NY or not, it will have >nothing to do with listening to the schlubs on the current (or recent >past) Knick roster. Regardless, neither you or I will know exactly >what went into his decision. But, I do find it hard to believe his >financial interests (a billionaire he wants to be after all) could be >trumped by the disgruntled opinion of some lame-o like Al Harrington.
On Nov 8, 8:35 pm, Joe Blow <joseph_blo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 6:54 pm, Syfo-Dyas <Syfo-D...@nomail.com> wrote:
> > Only time will answer that question... I think we will all know by the > > summer...
> I don't think so. Whether Lebron comes to NY or not, it will have > nothing to do with listening to the schlubs on the current (or recent > past) Knick roster. Regardless, neither you or I will know exactly > what went into his decision. But, I do find it hard to believe his > financial interests (a billionaire he wants to be after all) could be > trumped by the disgruntled opinion of some lame-o like Al Harrington.
The more I think about it the more I believe that endorsments alone are not the answer. How much more is LeBron going to make being in NY over what deals he already has. The guy is a global star already.
> This taken from a player who was in the all player meeting of the > Knicks. I say read the last sentence carefully. I say again read the > last sentence. Now think about how that sounds to players who MAY > think about coming to the Knick organization. Remember to the players > around the league it is still the Knick organization. Here it is...
> *************************************************************************** ************************************** > The players also don't like hearing about the organization's interest > in potential free agents LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh and Joe > Johnson. (Team officials are prohibited from talking about players on > other teams and most of the speculation has come via the media.) A few > players have said that they have been so soured by their experience in > New York that if James were to solicit their advice about playing for > the Knicks, they would not give him a favorable scouting report.
> Remember guys it really doesn't matter at all who you think said that. > It is more important that they even said it or thought it and that > players who are NOT playing for NY could get that info.
On Nov 9, 8:52 am, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The more I think about it the more I believe that endorsments alone > are not the answer. How much more is LeBron going to make being in NY > over what deals he already has. The guy is a global star already.
I never understood where this unproven myth about being in New York means you get great endorsements ever got started, and why it gets perpetuated. Who in New York ever got great endorsements? What did Ewing endorse? Foot Locker? So far the only two notable endorsement deals from New York players this decade were both for selling cut rate sneakers locally ("Starbury" discount shoes and Al Harrington's K-Mart- only shoes).
The REAL endorsements that are paying people the bucks that would attract people to doing something for endorsements, from Nike, Gatorade, Adidas, etc historically have not gone to Knicks in New York. They've gone to great players wherever they were playing -- Garnett in Minneapolis, James in Cleveland, Billups in Detroit, Nash in Phoenix, Duncan in San Antonio, etc etc. None of those had anything to do with the local market being a big-city international market, as all of these examples prove. So why would people believe that being a Knick qualifies you for better endorsements when that's never happened in decades?
How many endorsement deals got done with players just because they were in one of the "big" markets (NY, Chicago, LA)? OK, Kobe and Shaq (in his day) got endorsement deals -- but not because they were in LA, but because they were champions three times and contenders the rest of the time they were down there. Who on the Bulls has gotten some great national endorsement deal since Jordan left eleven years ago, even though Chicago has had several winning and playoff seasons since? Eddy Curry?
Even our REAL stars in NY (Derek Jeter, Eli Manning, etc) sell Toyotas for local dealers and that's about it. (Jeter did get a few Gatorade spots, okay, but much beyond that? And he's a five time champion).
What great endorsement deals did Sprewell get? Alan Houston? Larry Johnson? Derek Harper? John Starks? Even legendary Ewing -- Foot Locker? Really? What deals that are better than what LeBron is getting now while he sits around in the Mistake on the Lake? Is he really going to come over here so he can get the "rich endorsement deals only available in NY" -- prompting for Hillside Toyota or Foot Locker?
Um...
Let's stop with all the "they're coming for all the endorsement deals that they can't get anywhere else" talk, folks. James signed a $110M deal with Nike before he ever set foot in the Cavaliers' gym. His sock puppet argues with Kobe's sock puppet in Coca Cola commercials on TV. He's doing that right from the glamorous international mecca that is Cleveland, Ohio.
He ain't coming here for the endorsement perks. He's already got 'em.
On Nov 9, 12:26 pm, Noah <dontsendmeyers...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Let's stop with all the "they're coming for all the endorsement deals > that they can't get anywhere else" talk, folks. James signed a $110M > deal with Nike before he ever set foot in the Cavaliers' gym. His > sock puppet argues with Kobe's sock puppet in Coca Cola commercials on > TV. He's doing that right from the glamorous international mecca that > is Cleveland, Ohio.
Actually, I think there are other things involved. Remember Shaq getting to do his ghastly movies like Kazaam and Steel? True, he did get a small role in Blue Chips while in Orlando, but surely the existence of wretched crap like Kazaam had to do with his LA connections and marketability. There's also guys like Rick Fox who managed to sneak on to a soap opera. Proximity to the big metro markets has more than just shoe endorsements involved. Also, I think the "myth" holds true for much lesser chumps like Nate Robinson, who would be a non-entity in most other markets. Lebron James's aspirations to be a billionaire obviously extend way beyond getting good deals with sporting good companies, so I think that the money- capital nature of the tri-state area would indeed influence him a little.
Do you guys really believe that James is "all about winning"? I don't. I don't think any NBA player is, except for one-time stars in their twilight like Karl Malone, Gary Payton, etc.
> On Nov 9, 12:26 pm, Noah <dontsendmeyers...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Let's stop with all the "they're coming for all the endorsement deals > > that they can't get anywhere else" talk, folks. James signed a $110M > > deal with Nike before he ever set foot in the Cavaliers' gym. His > > sock puppet argues with Kobe's sock puppet in Coca Cola commercials on > > TV. He's doing that right from the glamorous international mecca that > > is Cleveland, Ohio.
> Actually, I think there are other things involved. Remember Shaq > getting to do his ghastly movies like Kazaam and Steel? True, he did > get a small role in Blue Chips while in Orlando, but surely the > existence of wretched crap like Kazaam had to do with his LA > connections and marketability. There's also guys like Rick Fox who > managed to sneak on to a soap opera. Proximity to the big metro > markets has more than just shoe endorsements involved. Also, I think > the "myth" holds true for much lesser chumps like Nate Robinson, who > would be a non-entity in most other markets. Lebron James's > aspirations to be a billionaire obviously extend way beyond getting > good deals with sporting good companies, so I think that the money- > capital nature of the tri-state area would indeed influence him a > little.
> Do you guys really believe that James is "all about winning"? I > don't. I don't think any NBA player is, except for one-time stars in > their twilight like Karl Malone, Gary Payton, etc.
To your point and Noah's, I really think for a guy like LeBron, location does not have a lot to do with it, I think the agent has more so. As far as Jeter, it has long been said he doesn't get a lot of deals because of Boras hard negotiating style, and even with that he managed to get spots on Gatorade, Gillette, and one other one recently that I can't recall. As far as Ewing, let's face it, for all Patrick ever was, marketable was not one of them. The guy never spoke to the media and he didn't have movie star looks like Jordan. Starks was a hot head so who is going to endorse him. Spreewell if not for the NBA would probably be in jail. None of them had the business man mentality that James has which IMO makes up for the fact he (James) is not very attractive either (this according to my wife "Damn he is not very good looking").
On Nov 9, 3:21 pm, Joe Blow <joseph_blo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Actually, I think there are other things involved. Remember Shaq > getting to do his ghastly movies like Kazaam and Steel? True, he did > get a small role in Blue Chips while in Orlando, but surely the > existence of wretched crap like Kazaam had to do with his LA > connections and marketability.
No it didn't, my friend. "Kazaam" was released to theatres in 1996, which means it was shot at its earliest in 1995, when Shaq was still playing for the Orlando Magic. He didn't have LA connections and marketability yet. Shaq was just a star for his basketball skills, period....just like LeBron is a star for his basketball skills, period. It wasn't about being an Angeleno, or a Clevelander.
>There's also guys like Rick Fox who > managed to sneak on to a soap opera. Proximity to the big metro > markets has more than just shoe endorsements involved.
A soap opera actor doesn't get paid a lot. I think scale is less than $100 an hour. I don't think this was really a motivation or an improvement on his NBA salary. I think Rick Fox was getting old and looking at stepping stones for the future, other career opportunities. If Rick Fox started starring in Hollywood blockbusters opposite Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt I'd say you had a point, but a bit part on a soap opera? Lots of ex-players turn into broadcast announcers...do you think they get paid NBA-type rates for that? It's just that you have to do *something* when you're 37 and retired.
> Also, I think > the "myth" holds true for much lesser chumps like Nate Robinson, who > would be a non-entity in most other markets.
Well Nate's a good example. He's been dunk champion twice, which should account for something. He's arguably the star of the team this year. Now who's paying Nate then to endorse their products? I don't even see the local used car dealerships wanting his endorsements. Another reason I'm not buying this oft-trod, not-proven argument.
> Lebron James's > aspirations to be a billionaire obviously extend way beyond getting > good deals with sporting good companies, so I think that the money- > capital nature of the tri-state area would indeed influence him a > little.
The point is, LeBron got a $110M contract with Nike before he ever stepped foot on NBA hardwood, right after Cleveland drafted him. When you're LeBron, you don't have to go to the money-capital Tri State. It will come to you. And that's already been proven.
> Do you guys really believe that James is "all about winning"? I > don't. I don't think any NBA player is, except for one-time stars in > their twilight like Karl Malone, Gary Payton, etc.
I think they all like money. With respect, I think you do just as much as they.
> On Nov 9, 3:21 pm, Joe Blow <joseph_blo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Actually, I think there are other things involved. Remember Shaq > > getting to do his ghastly movies like Kazaam and Steel? True, he did > > get a small role in Blue Chips while in Orlando, but surely the > > existence of wretched crap like Kazaam had to do with his LA > > connections and marketability.
> No it didn't, my friend. "Kazaam" was released to theatres in 1996, > which means it was shot at its earliest in 1995, when Shaq was still > playing for the Orlando Magic. He didn't have LA connections and > marketability yet. Shaq was just a star for his basketball skills, > period....just like LeBron is a star for his basketball skills, > period. It wasn't about being an Angeleno, or a Clevelander.
> >There's also guys like Rick Fox who > > managed to sneak on to a soap opera. Proximity to the big metro > > markets has more than just shoe endorsements involved.
> A soap opera actor doesn't get paid a lot. I think scale is less than > $100 an hour. I don't think this was really a motivation or an > improvement on his NBA salary. I think Rick Fox was getting old and > looking at stepping stones for the future, other career > opportunities. If Rick Fox started starring in Hollywood blockbusters > opposite Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt I'd say you had a point, but a bit > part on a soap opera? Lots of ex-players turn into broadcast > announcers...do you think they get paid NBA-type rates for that? It's > just that you have to do *something* when you're 37 and retired.
> > Also, I think > > the "myth" holds true for much lesser chumps like Nate Robinson, who > > would be a non-entity in most other markets.
> Well Nate's a good example. He's been dunk champion twice, which > should account for something. He's arguably the star of the team this > year. Now who's paying Nate then to endorse their products? I don't > even see the local used car dealerships wanting his endorsements. > Another reason I'm not buying this oft-trod, not-proven argument.
> > Lebron James's > > aspirations to be a billionaire obviously extend way beyond getting > > good deals with sporting good companies, so I think that the money- > > capital nature of the tri-state area would indeed influence him a > > little.
> The point is, LeBron got a $110M contract with Nike before he ever > stepped foot on NBA hardwood, right after Cleveland drafted him. When > you're LeBron, you don't have to go to the money-capital Tri State. > It will come to you. And that's already been proven.
> > Do you guys really believe that James is "all about winning"? I > > don't. I don't think any NBA player is, except for one-time stars in > > their twilight like Karl Malone, Gary Payton, etc.
> I think they all like money. With respect, I think you do just as > much as they.
Just wanted to comment on that soap opera comment Noah, don't knock them. My sister did a small role as a recovering alcoholic on General Hospital about 10 years ago. She had maybe 3 lines, worked to days on the set, actually worked for about 1 hour each day (was reading a book and listening to her Ipod otherwise) and was paid over $2000. Good work if you can get it.
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